HBK to be honored

[egoslam]

From ewrestlingnews.com:
Athletes International, a Christian group, will be honoring Shawn Michaels in Tucson, AZ this week.

:rofl:

I just have a hard time with that one considering all HBK's past gimmicks.

I seriously would have loved for the evil Sean O'Hare gimmick to have taken off, seen him feud with HBK, and in the middle of Michaels getting a beat down, have O'Hare get in his face, "WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW SHAWN?!"

[Kane Knight]

That Cracks me up.

Brainless Jesus freaks rabidly praising other Jesus freaks. You cna be the biggest asshole on the planet, thump your religion, and get praised for it.

[gyps213]

I agree. I've always had a problem with people who 'find God'. It's like Forrest said to Lt. Dan when he asks if he's found Jesus yet..."I didn't know I was s'posed to be lookin' for him." I know I don't have to look...HBK will tell us where to find him!

[FourFifty]

I'll find God when HBK finds his smile.

[Impact!]

theres a new HBK DVD coming out titled: Lost my smile, but found a god

[Impact!]

:shifty:

[tucsonspeed6]

So, does anyone on this site actually understand the religeon that they continually bash?

Christianity isn't about your past sins, so don't bash the organization for honoring a man who made past mistakes. By pointing your finger and shaming someone, you're making yourself look like you're worse of a person than the people you point your finger at.

Secondly, HBK isn't that much of an asshole, and he doesn't thump his religeon. Practicing your religeon isn't thumping it. Don't be disgusted because he's wearing a shirt with a cross on it. It's not like he comes out, points to the camera, and says, "KK, you're a bad person because you touch your wee-wee."

Christianity is about setting an example, and real Christians are about trying to liberate us from shame. If somebody does otherwise and claims to be a Christian, they're not a very good Christian. Just like there are good and bad Muslims. We shouldn't hunt down and kill every Muslim because a vast minority of them are terrorists. Be angry at the individual, not the organization.

[Chavo Classic]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tucsonspeed6 again.

[Just John]

2 words TS6



How True

[TerranRich]

I think it's just that most of us have been jaded by the religious freaks that shove their beliefs in everybody else's faces and put themselves on a pedestal above the other "heathens" and atheists. I don't want to have to get dirty looks when Christians find out I'm an atheist. Maybe if ALL Christians accepted people of other faiths as equals, then we wouldn't have a problem with Christianity at all.

[Chavo Classic]

I think it's just that most of us have been jaded by the religious freaks that shove their beliefs in everybody else's faces and put themselves on a pedestal above the other "heathens" and atheists. I don't want to have to get dirty looks when Christians find out I'm an atheist. Maybe if ALL Christians accepted people of other faiths as equals, then we wouldn't have a problem with Christianity at all.

There's a bunch of Christians in suits carrying bibles who camp outside my uni trying talking to people as they walk past. Needless to say, that don't get a lot of success. That is perhaps the only thing about Christians which annoys me.

[tucsonspeed6]

Whether you believe in God or not isn't my concern. A lot of Christians feel that the only way they can be a good Christian is if they convert somebody, and although part of Christianity is to go out and spread the word it doesn't mean forcing people into it.

Those of you who know me around here know that I'm not one to bring up religion a lot. In fact, I think the concerns of a lot of Christians in these types of situations are that atheists won't accept us if we say we're Chistian. You say that Christians put themselves on a pedestal above "heathens," but a lot of times I feel that atheists put them on a pedistal above "Brainless Jesus Freaks". So there's a lot of fear of one another on both sides.

One of the teachings of Christianity is to love your enemies just as you do your friends. It's to show by example how everyone, be you Christian, Jew, Muslim, or Athiest, should live your lives. Christians SHOULD be more concerned with peace than with morality. I can't speak for my fellow Christians on TPWW, but I for one am all about that. So maybe you'll change your mind about being an atheist in the future, but I'm not going to try to force my beliefs on you. We're cool.

As for the people who started this thread. I'm not trying to make you feel like crap. I'm just speaking what TerranRich said from his point of view. We don't want to be looked down upon because somebody else soiled our names.

[tucsonspeed6]

There's a bunch of Christians in suits carrying bibles who camp outside my uni trying talking to people as they walk past. Needless to say, that don't get a lot of success. That is perhaps the only thing about Christians which annoys me.

Yeah. That's kinda what I was saying. Rather than chasing after you and bugging you, they should be living their lives like anyone else just being a good person. If you take notice and like what they're doing, you can start to live your life like they are too.

[Kane Knight]

I agree. I've always had a problem with people who 'find God'. It's like Forrest said to Lt. Dan when he asks if he's found Jesus yet..."I didn't know I was s'posed to be lookin' for him." I know I don't have to look...HBK will tell us where to find him!
I have no problem with people who find God. I have a problem with people who use their religion as a marketing tool (His T-Shirts), or embody so many negative aspects not supposedly of their religion.

[Kane Knight]

There's a bunch of Christians in suits carrying bibles who camp outside my uni trying talking to people as they walk past. Needless to say, that don't get a lot of success. That is perhaps the only thing about Christians which annoys me.
What annoys me is Christian rock, Christian Wrestlers, and anything else where they have to add "Christian" to it. I hate when the mediocre gets elevated simply for being "Christian." Let's celebrate Jesus by honoring such a "Good Christian" like Michaels. :roll:

[Kane Knight]

but a lot of times I feel that atheists put them on a pedistal above "Brainless Jesus Freaks".
Errr...Since you quoted me, let's just point out that I'm not an aetheist.

And to quote a major player, my only fault with Christianity is that "none have practised it."

[tucsonspeed6]

Let's just let it go.

[Chavo Classic]

This belongs in the casual forum.

Besides, wasn't JBL recently honoured by the California Agricultural Society or something?

[Kane Knight]

Let's just let it go.
Yes. Harp your point of view then tell people to let it go. Good on ya. :y:

[Kane Knight]

This belongs in the casual forum.

Besides, wasn't JBL recently honoured by the California Agricultural Society or something?
You mean the Florida Agricultural Group? ;)

[Chavo Classic]

Yeh. That was it. Oh wait, i get it, the intials.....

they spell FAG! mwhahahahaaaaa :wtf:

[egoslam]

WOW! This discussion went WAY deeper than I intended. I just wanted to push the fact thak HBK is on special this week at Home Depot casue he's a massive tool.

Stupid religious zealots...sorry, couldn't resist.

[James Steele]

So, does anyone on this site actually understand the religeon that they continually bash?

Christianity isn't about your past sins, so don't bash the organization for honoring a man who made past mistakes. By pointing your finger and shaming someone, you're making yourself look like you're worse of a person than the people you point your finger at.

Secondly, HBK isn't that much of an asshole, and he doesn't thump his religeon. Practicing your religeon isn't thumping it. Don't be disgusted because he's wearing a shirt with a cross on it. It's not like he comes out, points to the camera, and says, "KK, you're a bad person because you touch your wee-wee."

Christianity is about setting an example, and real Christians are about trying to liberate us from shame. If somebody does otherwise and claims to be a Christian, they're not a very good Christian. Just like there are good and bad Muslims. We shouldn't hunt down and kill every Muslim because a vast minority of them are terrorists. Be angry at the individual, not the organization.
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[Kane Knight]

James just quoted something I missed before.

It's not all about his past mistakes, it's about his present ones as well.

I love how someone who was telling us not to t=point the finger was blindly pointing one by himself.

:lol:

Thanks James, you inadvertantly gave me something...

[Kane Knight]

Not to mention the assumption that it's a "shirt with a cross" on it that bothers me.

It couldn't be http://shopzone.wwe.com/newimages/images/01061pi.jpg

Naw. Let's try and argue against an assumed point with ignorance. It's the cross! BAH GAWD HE HATES THA CRAWS!

[Chavo Classic]

I'm going to avoid the inevitable jokes about Triple H's "source of strength" baseball caps which actually have a picture of a couple of steroid needles etched next to the letters HHH.

[Kane Knight]

I'm going to avoid the inevitable jokes about Triple H's "source of strength" baseball caps which actually have a picture of a couple of steroid needles etched next to the letters HHH.
Let's just be happy that Triple H has "found God," and is leading by virtuous example.

[KingofOldSchool]

Where is Brother Love when you need him?

[Kane Knight]

In a whorehouse on broadway

[James Steele]

:lol:

I just agree with TS6 that people need to realize not all christians are bible thumping "JOIN US OR BURN!" people. I don't agree with HBK's merchandise. I would rather he just wore the christian shirts he did when he first came back (aka the shirts that just had a verse on them or something) if he wants to wear christian themed shirts. However, I laugh whenever I think of a segment on WWE Confidential (RIP) when Shawn said (not verbatim) "Its going to be weird in a few years when I have to explain all the stuff I did then to my kids."

[Kane Knight]

I would rather he not sell such merchandise...

[Kane Knight]

:lol:

I just agree with TS6 that people need to realize not all christians are bible thumping "JOIN US OR BURN!" people. I don't agree with HBK's merchandise. I would rather he just wore the christian shirts he did when he first came back (aka the shirts that just had a verse on them or something).
Woah woah woah woah woah...

...Who said that all Christians were join us or burn types?

I never did, and even if you target my "Brain Dead JEsus Freaks" comment, which was attacking the stupid fucks who celebrate this shit, not Christians in general, that still never made any allegations of "Join us or Burn."

TS6 has his panties in a wad, and has just gone out of his way to assume that people here are totally against Christianity. :y: You're agreeing with a straw man argument which holds no real basis in this argument.

[James Steele]

I never said anybody said that. I was just speaking in general terms.

[Just John]

I mean one second he's telling us to suck it another, he's a born-again christian

[AJHayes]

:rofl:

I just have a hard time with that one considering all HBK's past gimmicks.

I seriously would have loved for the evil Sean O'Hare gimmick to have taken off, seen him feud with HBK, and in the middle of Michaels getting a beat down, have O'Hare get in his face, "WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW SHAWN?!"

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to egoslam again.

Sean O'Hare is the man!

[Kane Knight]

I never said anybody said that. I was just speaking in general terms.
The problem is you're agreeing with a very limited scope of an argument almost as narrow as the ficticious group of people he was arguing against.

TS6 ran wild with assumptions, without even understanding the argument of the people who had done something so wrong.

I'm not bothered by Christianity. I've offered up much respect for the values of Christians, even on this site. People will go out of their way to try and make it out into the worst possible thing, but it's bullshit.

The problem I have is with certain groups of Christians. The ones honoring Michaels, by default, are more or less the same assholes who will buy anything with "Christian" rock on it. I've seen Christians by occult/pagan items, simply because they turned their brains off the minute they entered a Christian shop. :lol:

Christian atheletes groups are part of the whole "christian X" groups I have a problem with. Ironically the YMCA used to be one.

You know who doesn't understand the religion I'm "bashing?" The millions of "Christian" music lovers who pop in POD and don't understand why "Without Jah, Nothing" is so ironic. The millions of people who use Christ to preach hate and war. The people who segregate themselves by treating Christianity as "above" this world, instead of "apart," as the Bible actually states. For FUCK'S SAKE! Even Pat Roberts gets that, and he thinks there's a dyke conspiracy to promote abortion!

And what bothers me most about Michaels isn't his attitude (Though he's had problems even recently, we don't need to go back to before he "found God"), it's the fact that he's selling offensive Merchandise. It's offensive because he's cashing in on Christ. Nut naw. I'm anti-Christian instead. It's the cross that bothers me, not the merchandising of religion, or these organisations that are pointless, or the need to segregate yourself to actually get recognised (especially for Michaels, but hey, he likes to milk Jesus, so he probably welcomes this).

[Kane Knight]

I mean one second he's telling us to suck it another, he's a born-again christian
Fast fact: Virginity/Abstinence Pledges, comonly sponsored by Christian groups to try and get kids to have less sex, actually do not decrease the number of STDs these young Christians get, and increase the instances of oral and anal sex among those who take the pledges.

So it makes perfect sense that he was telling us to "suck it." It's the only way we're supposed to do that sort of thing before we're married in the eyes of God.

[Just John]

Highy interllectual - Somthing I'll never be

[Kane Knight]

I don't know. If I was that smart, I probably wouldn't be bringing up abstience pledges on a wrestling board.

[AJHayes]

In other news... I have so much to say here.... But, I don't want to get lynched by the "brain dead Jesus freaks" (thanks KK).

....Ahhh, hell, who am I kidd... LETS START A RIOT!

It said in the bible, (not verbatim) "If you are fasting, do not decline to groom yourself. Wear your best robe, go out and greet the world." I think that this can be directly applied to bible thumpers, and even people who wear religious shirts. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. If you are a good Christian, people will be able to tell by what you do, not what you wear or what you say. Christianity has become a fad, and that sickens me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tucsonspeed6
So, does anyone on this site actually understand the religeon that they continually bash?

Christianity isn't about your past sins, so don't bash the organization for honoring a man who made past mistakes. By pointing your finger and shaming someone, you're making yourself look like you're worse of a person than the people you point your finger at.
...
Christianity is about setting an example, and real Christians are about trying to liberate us from shame. If somebody does otherwise and claims to be a Christian, they're not a very good Christian. Just like there are good and bad Muslims. We shouldn't hunt down and kill every Muslim because a vast minority of them are terrorists. Be angry at the individual, not the organization.

If this is true, then why have there been 3 (debatably 4) crusades? Is that because Christianity is all about accepting people who are different? I think not. Its because throughout history, Christianity has been about converting everyone, smiting the wicked (ie anyone who is different), and controlling anything they can. Want to argue? Lets talk about the inquisition then!

Basically, Christianity (largely those who Find Jesus or are Born Again... or anyone who is blindly obsessive) works on a McCarthyistic principal. (McCarthyism = "Big lie Theory" = Tell a big enough lie, to enough people, and eventually they'll believe it) McCarthy is translated to Christianity by people thumping their Bibles loud enough, or wearing enough Religious Based clothing that the fact that they "look" like good Christians will hide the fact that they are "NOT" good Christians.

I have no problem with religion. But I completely loathe people who try to push anything ANYTHING on another person.

Its ok, I'm Catholic. Therefore I'm right.

[James Steele]

:lol:

I just remembered that Ted DiBiase runs a christian wrestling promotion and Sting's movie has been out for awhile. Has anyone seen Sting's DVD?

[AJHayes]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Kane Knight again.

[Kane Knight]

:lol:

I just remembered that Ted DiBiase runs a christian wrestling promotion and Sting's movie has been out for awhile. Has anyone seen Sting's DVD?
No, havd you heard his new single? "The Lord is my bat."

In it, he comes down from the rafters and beats up large numbers of people, just like JEsus would do.

[Chavo Classic]

No, havd you heard his new single? "The Lord is my bat."

In it, he comes down from the rafters and beats up large numbers of people, just like JEsus would do.

Lol. What would <s>Jesus</s> Steve Borden in face paint do

[Kane Knight]

Lol. What would <s>Jesus</s> Steve Borden in face paint do
It's funny, because Sting is basically pulling a Cat Stevens. "Wow, I found God, everything's changed. I'll make a big deal about it, but milk my previous life, and continue with it in so many ways."

[Kane Knight]

I actually find the Christian Wrestling federation sad, because it just goes to show how desparate Christians are to have a "Christian alternative."

And this isn't all Crhistians, before I get anyone else spazzing out on me, but the ones who need to wear it on their sleeves and take offense at anything that doesn't have JEsus or a cross on it. The people who seem to think you can BUY JEsus, the retards who loved Evanescence til they found out they weren't a Christian rock band, the ones for which this promotion was made. Christian wrestling is like sex free porn.

But again we find the Jesus freaks, the stupid cultists who think the power of Christianity lies in the word "Christian" being slapped on everything, instead of the intent or message within. I swear, you could take the most offensive skinhead metal, slap a Christian title and a JEsus fish on the label, and go platinum. Hell, POD has already proved they don't listen to the content (or if they do, they don't THINK about it).

But hey, don't mind me, I clearly hate Christianity in general, because TS6 said so. :lol:

[The Dub]

I don't think it's so bad that HBK is being honored. I am happy for him deciding to change his ways. Belfast Bomber, Christianity existed long before McCarthy and for you to compare Christianity to McCarthyism is blasphemy to me. I've come to expect those type of comments from Kane Knight. He just seems like a non-believer.

[Kane Knight]

And you seem like a retard to me. Considering McCarthyism was based heavily on Christian "witch hunts..."

[tucsonspeed6]

KK, I didn't really know where you were going considering your first post was only a couple lines with the very harsh "Brainless Jesus Freaks" remark.

My point was that you can't judge somebody on the fact that they're associated with a group you don't like. I'm sorry if I assumed wrong.

As for Christian Rock, I don't listen to it. I know people who do, and it's just something they like. Maybe some people listen to it because they think if they don't they'll go to hell, but other people like talking about religion just like we like talking about wrestling here.

Yes, there are stupid people out there. (Like Rabidwolverine) And yes, there are swindlers out there too. I just felt you were attacking all Christians with your original comment and thought I should explain some things.

The truth is PEOPLE are stupid. PEOPLE will intently watch 12 hours of nonstop coverage and updates on a woman who ran out on her fiance to take some time for herself. PEOPLE stand outside a courthouse rabidly protesting the fact that the government is prosecuting a known child molester just because he's famous. It's not just limited to Christians. PEOPLE of all races and denominations are responsible for making Tom Green's bum bum song the number 1 song in america. DOn't pin stupidity on just us.

[Kane Knight]

KK, I didn't really know where you were going considering your first post was only a couple lines with the very harsh "Brainless Jesus Freaks" remark.
And since there was no history of me defending Christianity on these boards, or ever elaborating on my beliefs, it was silly of me to assume people would get the point.

Oh wait. Not only have they been elaborated upon before, but they were even elaborated upon in the WRESTLING forum.

Sorry, from now on, I'll write a 90 page dissertation after every comment I make, explaining in detail my stances, so that you don't have to worry about making a series of assumptions, each more impotent than the last.

[Kane Knight]

It's not just limited to Christians. PEOPLE of all races and denominations are responsible for making Tom Green's bum bum song the number 1 song in america. DOn't pin stupidity on just us.
And I'm sure a lot of Satanists put Creed at the top of the charts.

There were a lot of Jews involved in the altar boy scandals.

There's a whole Genre in this country called Muslim rock.

The family values pushes are promoted by the Buddhists.

The Hindus are the ones debating the teaching of science versus religion in school.

The Pledge of Allegience now says "One Nation under Isis."

The Shinto are the ones who proclaim "God Hates Fags."

Right.

Just because not all Christians are the problem, doesn't mean that Christians aren't responsible for more than their fair share of problems.

[Kane Knight]

(PS, I never pinned stupidity on JUST you...But please, go for yet another ignorant generalisation and assumption based upon your desire to be as big a dumbass as rabidwolverine...)

[tucsonspeed6]

KK, I appologised for not getting your point at first. I have a little less than 1400 posts here after almost a year and a half. I don't read every thread. If I did, I'd be ranked at the bottom of the tipsters league instead of at the bottom of my other predictions league.

As for your second post, don't pin that shit on me. I don't care for Creed. I've never molested an altar boy, I already mentioned I don't listen to Christian Rock. I actually AM a science teacher and have already taught both tectonic motion and evolution in a classroom without giving a speech on them being "just a theory", and I've even had to deal with students who have questioned the reliability of each. The Pledge itself as a whole could be considered a frivolous reminder of the Cold War if you think about it. I know that The One is gay and have never shamed him, or even mentioned anything about it until now.

So if you're trying to get me to say that Christians need to own up to the stereotypical mistakes that they are said to make I won't. The PERSON should pay for their mistakes, even if they are a Christian. But I won't condemn an entire denomination of people for a stereotype.

[tucsonspeed6]

(PS, I never pinned stupidity on JUST you...But please, go for yet another ignorant generalisation and assumption based upon your desire to be as big a dumbass as rabidwolverine...)


Didn't see this when I posted the above. I still don't like the generalizations you made in your second post.

[Kane Knight]

Didn't see this when I posted the above. I still don't like the generalizations you made in your second post.
Deal with it.

You're the one who's supposed to turn the other cheek, not me. You don't apprteciate the generalisations, live by example, instead of bitching about how you've got a bum rap. Your continued trips into ignorance do nothing but paint you un that same "dumbass" light you painted rabidwolverine in.

[Kane Knight]

As for your second post, don't pin that shit on me. I don't care for Creed. I've never molested an altar boy, I already mentioned I don't listen to Christian Rock. I actually AM a science teacher and have already taught both tectonic motion and evolution in a classroom without giving a speech on them being "just a theory", and I've even had to deal with students who have questioned the reliability of each. The Pledge itself as a whole could be considered a frivolous reminder of the Cold War if you think about it. I know that The One is gay and have never shamed him, or even mentioned anything about it until now.
YOU.

STUPID.

FUCK.

Again, nyour ignorance is overwhelming. Where did I blame you?

[Kane Knight]

And let me know if you need a hand nailing yourself to that cross...Since you're so eager to play the martyr.

[tucsonspeed6]

Deal with it.

You're the one who's supposed to turn the other cheek, not me. You don't apprteciate the generalisations, live by example, instead of bitching about how you've got a bum rap. Your continued trips into ignorance do nothing but paint you un that same "dumbass" light you painted rabidwolverine in.


You're absolutely right. Hence why I said "Let's let it go" the other day. I'm dropping it here and now. I know you well enough that you'll try to get a word in after I'm gone, but I'll let it go.

[Kane Knight]

You're absolutely right. Hence why I said "Let's let it go" the other day. I'm dropping it here and now. I know you well enough that you'll try to get a word in after I'm gone, but I'll let it go.
Yes, please. Do what you should have done 20 posts ago.

You wanted to preach advocacy, then when your heroic stance was shown up, you suddenly wanted to drop it. How brave of you to drop it after you've made yourself look like an ass.