View Full Version : WWE Releases Buyrate For ECW PPV
FearedSanctity
07-01-2005, 11:19 PM
WWE released its first estimate of the buys for the ECW One Night Stand PPV. The show, thus far, appears to have done 265,000 buys.
Just a LITTLE bit lower than that 800,000 said earlier, eh?
wtf :?:
Possibly hiding the real successful figures to keep WWE looking strong?
Loose Cannon
07-01-2005, 11:29 PM
that's still very strong BTW
Mike the Metal Ed
07-01-2005, 11:31 PM
That would make it a 0.66, which is lower than New Years Revolution and Backlash. :(
SuperSlim
07-01-2005, 11:35 PM
I'm not buyin that's the real figures
Corkscrewed
07-02-2005, 12:05 AM
Source?
FearedSanctity
07-02-2005, 12:10 AM
WrestlingObserver.com
Loose Cannon
07-02-2005, 12:11 AM
no
FearedSanctity
07-02-2005, 12:15 AM
I'm just going by who the article credits http://www.wrestling-edge.com/newsarticle.php?page=122257899
http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/newsboard.php?news_id=12003
Also has it, but gives no source
Nark Order
07-02-2005, 12:17 AM
Of course it's the real numbers. Quit being ridiculous.
Corkscrewed
07-02-2005, 12:26 AM
It says "early estimate."
Altho I'm not sure why it says "early" since it's been three weeks. I saw some outdated news on the Observer just right now... like a newsbit posted today that was an article written two weeks ago. *shrug*
Ninti the Mad
07-02-2005, 03:53 AM
Everyone calm down. ECW isnt god so quit having such high expectations.
Innovator
07-02-2005, 11:49 AM
Everyone calm down. ECW isnt god so quit having such high expectations.It Isn't God. We all know JBL is since he reminds us every 2 seconds.
I mean JBL AND Angle AND Bischoff were all at the PPV, so why didn't it draw better?
vampiro03
07-02-2005, 11:58 AM
probably because Mattitude didn't show up to save wrestling.lol
SuperSlim
07-02-2005, 12:19 PM
It Isn't God. We all know JBL is since he reminds us every 2 seconds.
I mean JBL AND Angle AND Bischoff were all at the PPV, so why didn't it draw better?
it needed Triple H
FourFifty
07-02-2005, 10:11 PM
Hey, how many of you remember that one commercial, where the two kids are sitting there, one with some chocolate, and the other with some peanut butter, and somehow it gets mixed up? One kid complains that the other dude got his chocolate in his peanut butter, and the other kid says that he got his peanut butter in his chocolate? You remember that? They both ate their stuff, and they were happy with how it came out? That’s how I feel about the whole ECW PPV with the WWE in it. Only it’s more like peanut butter and salmon. Two things I totally enjoy, that shouldn’t be on the same palate.
The CyNick
07-02-2005, 10:23 PM
Its a real number, its from WWE.com, which is the official site for buyrate info.
Anyway, this was just bad journalism by a certain site that allowed a "reporter" (what a joke) to report a buyrate 2 days after the show, which is not possible.
I swear I gotta start a site, just make up lies and half truths. And Ive already trumped all the sites on a certain something; you'll be reading about it in coming weeks.
Gouda
07-02-2005, 10:43 PM
They released it? Oh my. Who shall get released next?!
Loose Cannon
07-02-2005, 11:14 PM
Its a real number, its from WWE.com, which is the official site for buyrate info.
Anyway, this was just bad journalism by a certain site that allowed a "reporter" (what a joke) to report a buyrate 2 days after the show, which is not possible.
I swear I gotta start a site, just make up lies and half truths. And Ive already trumped all the sites on a certain something; you'll be reading about it in coming weeks.
lol, it's already on the front page of this site. That wasn't me who posted that piece by the way.
Batsu
07-03-2005, 01:33 AM
Hey, how many of you remember that one commercial, where the two kids are sitting there, one with some chocolate, and the other with some peanut butter, and somehow it gets mixed up? One kid complains that the other dude got his chocolate in his peanut butter, and the other kid says that he got his peanut butter in his chocolate? You remember that? They both ate their stuff, and they were happy with how it came out? That’s how I feel about the whole ECW PPV with the WWE in it. Only it’s more like peanut butter and salmon. Two things I totally enjoy, that shouldn’t be on the same palate.
Great analogy.
I had LOW expectations for this PPV because of the WWE involvement in it...some matches kind of matched up with that (or rather, parts of them...Jericho doing the Boston Crab, Rey and Psicosis doing a few WWE-like spots)...but nothing could prepare me for the authenticity this PPV held. Sure, there was no Raven, nor Shane Douglas (two HUGE names in ECW, the latter of which pretty much set ECW on the path that it took)...but for the limited time they gave, WWE really put ECW over. The fans really made it ECW, hell, even KURT ANGLE took it extreme, which I found hilarious. Everything from the Joey Styles commentary on Mike Awesome to RVD and Paul Heyman's shoots, to Sandman's entrance...was just classic. Seeing Rhyno actually do a freakin' piledriver for once was great.
The DVD version of this probably sucks (because of the edits), but in the "blur" and "patch"-age of WWE, that's to be expected. But the live event...was definitely the best thing WWE had put out in years...
Honestly, I wouldn't doubt that WWE would give out false numbers, as not to make their own product look less superior by comparison. I mean, why did it take so long for the numbers to get out? And what's to stop them from doing so? They have no real obligation to give the fans the true numbers for the PPV buyrate.
Still, it probably is the real number. Let's face it - most marks (which make up about 80% of the WWE's fan base) had probably never heard of ECW up until InVasion.
Batsu
07-03-2005, 01:54 AM
Honestly, I wouldn't doubt that WWE would give out false numbers, as not to make their own product look less superior by comparison. I mean, why did it take so long for the numbers to get out? And what's to stop them from doing so? They have no real obligation to give the fans the true numbers for the PPV buyrate.
Still, it probably is the real number. Let's face it - most marks (which make up about 80% of the WWE's fan base) had probably never heard of ECW up until InVasion.
Yeah, 265K is a hell of a lot of homes buying a PPV...thinking about it all.
I don't think that number's disappointing at all, especially now.
Kane Knight
07-03-2005, 02:47 AM
Its a real number, its from WWE.com, which is the official site for buyrate info.
Yeah, you can always trust the WWE.
Kane Knight
07-03-2005, 02:48 AM
Yeah, 265K is a hell of a lot of homes buying a PPV...thinking about it all.
I don't think that number's disappointing at all, especially now.
The only reason people are disappointed is that they were given a bigger number previously, and they believe it. Since this number is nowhere near that one, it's a big let down for a lot.
Anybody Thrilla
07-03-2005, 05:16 AM
It Isn't God. We all know JBL is since he reminds us every 2 seconds.
I mean JBL AND Angle AND Bischoff were all at the PPV, so why didn't it draw better?
Stop that talk right now. It was not promoted as a show with JBL, Angle, and Bischoff. It was promoted as ECW. Nobody bought it hoping to see any of those three.
Not saying that the show did poor numbers, but it just falls in with the rest of the PPVs.
I think that the WWE's product right now is better than ECW's ever was or ever could have hoped to been. My opinion, anyway.
Kane Knight
07-03-2005, 12:41 PM
Stop that talk right now. It was not promoted as a show with JBL, Angle, and Bischoff. It was promoted as ECW. Nobody bought it hoping to see any of those three.
Of course they did. That's why they were there. To save the show.
Nark Order
07-03-2005, 06:47 PM
Stop being morons people. The numbers weren't made up in a conspiracy to bury the memories of ECW...
Just accept that it didn't completely destroy every PPV ever. It did good though.
Loose Cannon
07-03-2005, 06:56 PM
nah, it's on the corporate section of the site. Those are definately real. If anything, they would want to bump up thier numbers to show off to thier investors/potential investors.
Corkscrewed
07-03-2005, 07:44 PM
We'll see how the DVD sales do tho. Remember that most people didn't expect much. So yeah, I think the DVD sales will be a better indication of how it went over.
Sadistic
07-03-2005, 08:40 PM
That sucks. I was hoping they would bring back ECW but if it did worse than backlash then whats the point.
Kane Knight
07-03-2005, 09:35 PM
nah, it's on the corporate section of the site. Those are definately real. If anything, they would want to bump up thier numbers to show off to thier investors/potential investors.
Out of curiousity, what would be gained from bumping the numbers on a one-off?
Loose Cannon
07-03-2005, 09:52 PM
nothing would be gained. I said "If anything" to make the point that they would want to make the numbers higher, not lower, if they were trying to screw with the numbers at all.
Loose Cannon
07-03-2005, 10:01 PM
actually, it's almost common practice today and in the past that wrestling companies always bumped up their attendance figures. Don't know what a few extra thousand would do other then make people feel better though.
WCW actually fucked up one time and subtracted there attendance figures for a a huge show, which they drew 41,000+. They said they only did 38,000 or so and it actually hurt them a little in the wallet
Kane Knight
07-04-2005, 12:25 AM
actually, it's almost common practice today and in the past that wrestling companies always bumped up their attendance figures. Don't know what a few extra thousand would do other then make people feel better though.
WCW actually fucked up one time and subtracted there attendance figures for a a huge show, which they drew 41,000+. They said they only did 38,000 or so and it actually hurt them a little in the wallet
A few thousand here and there can actually make a lot of difference. That "feelgood" sentiment you mentioned is part of it. A few thousand extra people watching your ads makes the sponsors feel good, a few thousand extra makes stockholders feel like they're in the right place (Moreso), and it really puts them in a slightly better place. Granted, it matters more in some instances (Bump a buyrate up to the nearest 5 or ten, and it SEEMS like a lot more to people) than others.
I doubt that anyone would go so far as to hurt their own numbers, but the WWE has always seemed to artificially restrict the "other" talent, even under their own roof. That combined with the fact that people WANT ECW to have had a HUGE success rate, and beat the WWE even after they've been bought out and killed off if why people are crying conspiracy.
I don't blame them, but I don't really buy into it either. I've always wondered how far the WWE would go to "get back" at another promotion, or prove the "superiority" of their talent, but thius seems asinine, even for the pettiest of people.
Kane Knight
07-04-2005, 12:29 AM
That sucks. I was hoping they would bring back ECW but if it did worse than backlash then whats the point.
They should bust ' em out for special occasions. No ECW ressurection (They can barely get a cable deal for their flagship show), no "Invasion" just an occasional special promotion. See if there's anything beyond nostalgia for ECW.
That way they know what to do with TNA when they buy it out.
nothing would be gained. I said "If anything" to make the point that they would want to make the numbers higher, not lower, if they were trying to screw with the numbers at all.
I disagree. WWE does not like the internet fans and its the internet fans that made ECW popular, bought The Rise and Fall, and probably ordered the PPV. If in fact there is a "conspiracy," giving out a false number disappoints the internet fans and is almost a "haha, fuck you, you and ECW suck" to them as well. On the same token, if the numbers outranked Vengeance, Backlash and Judgment Day, it would almost be a "victory" for the internet fans, and a bash on the current WWE product - something the WWE would not like at all.
But like I said, they probably are the real numbers. It's just interesting to speculate on the inner working and possible political maneuverings of the WWE.
Kane Knight
07-04-2005, 11:40 AM
That's the thing. How far would they go? I doubt this far, but it's hard to tell.
PureHatred
07-04-2005, 12:18 PM
I disagree. WWE does not like the internet fans and its the internet fans that made ECW popular, bought The Rise and Fall, and probably ordered the PPV. If in fact there is a "conspiracy," giving out a false number disappoints the internet fans and is almost a "haha, fuck you, you and ECW suck" to them as well. On the same token, if the numbers outranked Vengeance, Backlash and Judgment Day, it would almost be a "victory" for the internet fans, and a bash on the current WWE product - something the WWE would not like at all.
But like I said, they probably are the real numbers. It's just interesting to speculate on the inner working and possible political maneuverings of the WWE.
That's just stupid. The WWE's position on Net fans is more along the lines of "Let's ignore them and maybe they'll go away." They' don't actually set out to do things to piss off Net fans. It just seems that way because they do the same things that Net fans know are mistakes repeatedly.
Plus there are about a dozen things that are illegal about a public corporation releasing false information about their sales figures on their own corporate website.
The buy-rate wasn't spectacular, but it was decent and ECW fans should be happy to know that there's a market to have an othe rone of these soon. Remembers, there were planty of non-ECW fans who probably became 'converts' simply by seeing this show.
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