Can chicks play men's professional sports?

[Triple A]

The four major sports or whatever. Is there actually a rule that prevents women from being able to play, or what?

[The Gooch]

The big 4 sports, I doubt it. The only sport they may have a shot in is baseball as it is non-contact and possibly being a field goal kicker in football.

I do think women could play on the PGA tour, but why would they when they make more money on the Ladies tour.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think the Tampa Bay Lightning used to have a woman goalie and I know the Indiana Pacers signed a woman once so I don't think there is any rule. There might be one in the NBA now though since they started the WNBA.

[The Gooch]

I think the Tampa Bay Lightning used to have a woman goalie and I know the Indiana Pacers signed a woman once so I don't think there is any rule. There might be one in the NBA now though since they started the WNBA.

That's true, I forgot Manon Rheume (sp?) played with the Lightning. I am thinking it was more of a publicity stunt than anything else, but I guess a goalie wouldn't encounter much physical contact so women could play that position against the boys.

I was thinking a woman could play point guard, but you still get banged a lot in basketball.

[Rob]

Big 4? Nobody gives a toss about your "big 4" outside North America.

[Gonzo]

Rob, shut the fuck up.

While there are no rules or laws or anything against women playing men's professional sports I don't think they can. As mentioned before, maybe baseball or goalie in hockey, maybe even basketball.

Women wouldn't be able to play hockey in any other position than goalie, they wouldn't be able to play football except maybe kicker or punter. The fact is that men are just bigger, stronger and faster than women and they would just get hurt easier. The men that play these sports get pumped full of drugs just to keep playing, I don't think that women would be able to endure the stresses as long.

Its not really a sexist view I'm trying to adopt here but thats what I think.

[PureHatred]

Big 4? You mean the Big 3 and the artist formerly known as Hockey, don't you?

As was mentioned, there's no such rule against it, but realistically women would have a very limited chance to be a professional in any of those. Doubt its happening any time soon.

Also, the LPGA comments were kind of dumb. Annika Sorenstam completely dominates the LPGA and her winnings wouldn't even put her in the top 30 in the PGA Tour. Because of a lack of sponsors and TV ratings, the winnings in the LPGA are a fraction of the men's side. BU tthats how it should be since no one gives a shit.

[The Gooch]

Also, the LPGA comments were kind of dumb. Annika Sorenstam completely dominates the LPGA and her winnings wouldn't even put her in the top 30 in the PGA Tour. Because of a lack of sponsors and TV ratings, the winnings in the LPGA are a fraction of the men's side. BU tthats how it should be since no one gives a shit.

If this was addressed at me, my point is why would Annika play with the boys and make no money because she couldn't even make the cut at a PGA event whereas she can play on the womens tour and make much more as she is consistently near the top of the leaderboard.

[Kane Knight]

If this was addressed at me, my point is why would Annika play with the boys and make no money because she couldn't even make the cut at a PGA event whereas she can play on the womens tour and make much more as she is consistently near the top of the leaderboard.
That still makes absolutely no sense. The winnings are just so much lower on the LPGA that it's a moot point.

In fact, most of the golf tournies DO prevent women from entering, but nobody gives a shit because it's the only sport less entertianing than listening to them talk. :p

[Gonzo]

Well it does make sense. If Annika played on the PGA Tour the likelihood she wins and makes money from doing so is very slim. On the LPGA Tour she is one of the best, if not the best there is. On the LPGA Tour she can win on a consistent basis and make money from her winnings. So...

She plays on the LPGA Tour and wins consistently, makes money.

Plays on the PGA Tour to be equal to men, she doesn't make money.

Even though PGA Tour events would bring a substantially larger amount of earnings than an LPGA event she will make more money on the LPGA Tour because she can win there consistently.

[PureHatred]

If this was addressed at me, my point is why would Annika play with the boys and make no money because she couldn't even make the cut at a PGA event whereas she can play on the womens tour and make much more as she is consistently near the top of the leaderboard.

Well, since we're officially off topic here: It's stupid because the way you stated it made it seems as if there were more money to be had on the LPGA when there's not. If you're talking about one person in particular, fine, you're right, Sorenstam probably would make more money on the LPGA than in th PGA.

[Gonzo]

For a women golfer, there is more money to be made on the LPGA Tour, so it wasn't stupid. A woman wouldn't be as successful on the men's tour, so what he said was fine. There is more to be made on the LPGA Tour as a woman. The statement was fine.

The way it was understood was the only problem with it. :)

[PureHatred]

I do think women could play on the PGA tour, but why would they when they make more money on the Ladies tour.

You're right. That sentence is so concise and well-written that there's no way it could've been misinterpreted. :roll:

Nowhere in that statement was skill level ever mentioned or how successful they might be. He just used the phrase 'more money' which by itself is inaccurate.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Big 4? Nobody gives a toss about your "big 4" outside North America.
lol nobody "gives a toss" about you not caring about the big 4 - I don't see why you guys feel the need to point that out all the time. I get it - you guys don't like American sports. Nobody cares.

Back to the topic I am sure they can. It would be againest the law to deny them a chance just for being a girl.

[The Gooch]

Well, since we're officially off topic here: It's stupid because the way you stated it made it seems as if there were more money to be had on the LPGA when there's not. If you're talking about one person in particular, fine, you're right, Sorenstam probably would make more money on the LPGA than in th PGA.

I appologize for my wording. I am in total agreement with you that if she was one of the best in the world regardless of gender it would make more sense for her to be in PGA as there is way more money to be made. My point was that the LPGA although not as financially lucrative is a "safer" tour for the ladies. If you are one of the best women you will likely make way more on the LPGA than on the PGA tour. The same can be said of the Senior/Champ tour for older players.

[PureHatred]

I appologize for my wording. I am in total agreement with you that if she was one of the best in the world regardless of gender it would make more sense for her to be in PGA as there is way more money to be made. My point was that the LPGA although not as financially lucrative is a "safer" tour for the ladies. If you are one of the best women you will likely make way more on the LPGA than on the PGA tour. The same can be said of the Senior/Champ tour for older players.

Yep. We agree. And I apologize for my misunderstanding.

[The Miz]

lol nobody "gives a toss" about you not caring about the big 4 - I don't see why you guys feel the need to point that out all the time. I get it - you guys don't like American sports. Nobody cares.

Back to the topic I am sure they can. It would be againest the law to deny them a chance just for being a girl. CMON LADS ENOUGH SCRAPPING ABOUT HOW ABOUT A NICE GAME OF THE FOOTY RIPPING GOOD GAME YES

[The Miz]

And to the topic question, Jason Giambi plays for the Yankees so there is no rule dissallowing women.

[Kane Knight]

For a women golfer, there is more money to be made on the LPGA Tour, so it wasn't stupid. A woman wouldn't be as successful on the men's tour, so what he said was fine. There is more to be made on the LPGA Tour as a woman. The statement was fine.

The way it was understood was the only problem with it. :)
Actually, you have no real indication that women golfers wouldn't be competitive on the PGA scene (Especially since they don't want them in). Really, there'd be mroe money, as being way down the totem pole is still more financially rewarding than being a top star on the LPGA.

[Innovator]

A woman being a punter or kicker on a football team is so fuckin half assed. If she wants to play, have her be a running back or a linemen. Now lets see if they want to play the game

[Gonzo]

You're right in that there is no real indicator of how well they would perform. If you can win on the LPGA Tour I guarantee you would be making more than if you were on the PGA Tour being a bottom feeder.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Big 4? Nobody gives a toss about your "big 4" outside North America.
Yeah nobody in Japan or South America gives a toss about baseball at all. Certainly no one in Eastern Europe cares about hockey. In fact, I doubt anyone from Spain or Serbia has even heard of basketball.

Your argument is so solid, Robby. You don't sound retarded at all. You're a big boy.

[The Miz]

Supreme you bloody wanker you're a right cunt

[Team Sheep]

Well my auntie used to play for the England rugby team, which is like 10 times tougher than American Football :D

[Supreme Olajuwon]

And you've played American football how many times?

[Bo]

There is a line where it seems that nobody could probally get the right idea of a woman playing football (NFL) say if she was on offence and say a guy like Ray Lewis tackles the shit out of her. Then there would be the problem of figureing out weather he tackeled the shit out of her being a woman or being a football player making money to tackle people.

[Team Sheep]

And you've played American football how many times?

Don't get me wrong, I like the game. No I have not played it, but come on, rugby players wear no protection, and there are tackles made every moment in rugby, plus the ferocious rucking and mauling, with no breaks in play until the ball goes forward or goes out of play or if a foul is committed. Football stops after pretty much every tackle.

[The Outlaw]

Big 4? Nobody gives a toss about your "big 4" outside North America.
Oh you're so silly.

[Bad Company]

I've played american football and it's bloody tough, alot more anarobic than rugby, but probably more heavy contact, just not as much of the rest. Rugby is still tougher though ;) But it's pretty much tomato - tomato.

[Kane Knight]

A woman being a punter or kicker on a football team is so fuckin half assed. If she wants to play, have her be a running back or a linemen. Now lets see if they want to play the game
Yeah, let's hire someone who's a good kicker and have them play lineman. :lol:

Good way to book a team.

[AlphaBean]

A woman shoved your fat head out of her vagina, I'm sure she could get tackled. Or tackle, if she was fat enough. My brother's fiance is a pretty hefty gal, and she bench pressed a couple hundred pounds her first time. Most girls would rather not get strong, though, since that's considered "unattractive," e.g. Williams brothers.

[Kane Knight]

Don't get me wrong, I like the game. No I have not played it, but come on, rugby players wear no protection, and there are tackles made every moment in rugby, plus the ferocious rucking and mauling, with no breaks in play until the ball goes forward or goes out of play or if a foul is committed. Football stops after pretty much every tackle.
I've gotta agree with you.

While I follow football in the US, mostly the Pats, that doesn't make it a really tough game like everyone professes it to be.

"I just find it odd that a nation that prides itself on virility straps on 80 lbs of padding to play Rugby."

[Kane Knight]

A woman shoved your fat head out of her vagina, I'm sure she could get tackled. Or tackle, if she was fat enough. My brother's fiance is a pretty hefty gal, and she bench pressed a couple hundred pounds her first time. Most girls would rather not get strong, though, since that's considered "unattractive," e.g. Williams brothers.
Which is why football players wil primarily be ugly diesel dykes. :p

[AlphaBean]

*are primarily.

At least in Minnesota, there are women's football leagues cropping up. They're all awesome, leathery, bikers or lumberjacks. Retired firefighters, and that sort. God, I'd want to see THAT calendar. :drool:

[AlphaBean]

Which league makes more money: the NFL or the uh... national rugby association?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Football has a completely different dimension to it than rugby because you're allowed to block and it's also legal to tackle without wrapping. That creates a lot of blindside hits that make pads a necessity. Also head on collisions at full speed occur a lot more in football than in rugby. Not to mention that it's legal to hit someone while they are in the air. Both are incredibly tough sports to play. In rugby you get hit more and in football you get hit harder. It doesn't make either more manly that the other. Both are great to play.

[Gonzo]

They are both fun to play and both deal with a great bit of contact. I would say that football is tougher on the body though, in my experience.

[Buzzkill]

lol nobody "gives a toss" about you not caring about the big 4 - I don't see why you guys feel the need to point that out all the time. I get it - you guys don't like American sports. Nobody cares.

Back to the topic I am sure they can. It would be againest the law to deny them a chance just for being a girl.
By that logic, couldn't I try out for the WNBA, then sue them for discrimination when they say no? (This is assuming I'm good)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

By that logic, couldn't I try out for the WNBA, then sue them for discrimination when they say no? (This is assuming I'm good)
No you can't because your trail would have no shot since their a mens and womens league

[BCWWF]

I wouldn't rule out a woman ever being able to play in the NHL. If one sport had a rule against women, I would assume it be baseball, just because it seems to have more stuff like that written down. But I could see a day when there is a woman capable of playing in the NHL. You guys talk about it as if all women are super models. There is a girl who played on a guys varsity hockey team in Minnesota, Annika Sorenstam can squat like 500 pounds, I don't think its something to completely rule out for hockey.

Anyway, to the rugby vs. american football argument, I would say that rugby players are tougher just by watching their sport, but to call football not tough because they wear pads is pretty dumb. It's not like they go out there with pillows stuffed in their bellies, they wear less pads then hockey players and hit players 10 times more.

[BCWWF]

A guy I was with last night was upset that African-American businesses can say "African American Preferred" on help wanted signs, thats nearly as stupid as Buzzkill being upset that men can't play in the LPGA.

[The Gooch]

A guy I was with last night was upset that African-American businesses can say "African American Preferred" on help wanted signs, thats nearly as stupid as Buzzkill being upset that men can't play in the LPGA.

The problem with that is that it is discriminatory. Could you imagine a white businessman advertising "White candidate preferred"?

You can't correct discrimination with discrimination. There is a case here in Canada where a man is suing an "all womens gym" for discrimination. As "all men gyms" are discriminatory, shouldn't this also be a problem. What a fucked up planet we live in?

I'm not disagreeing with you BCWWF, I'm just pointing out some realities and logic problems we encounter when it comes to these types of situations.

[BCWWF]

The point is that a white guy has one billion more options then a black guy, and men have a billion more options then women. Why act like you are being discriminated against when you clearly aren't.

[Rob]

I need a fishing rod to reel you tosspots in.

[The Gooch]

The point is that a white guy has one billion more options then a black guy, and men have a billion more options then women. Why act like you are being discriminated against when you clearly aren't.

That's a generalization. Rich Black People and Rich women aren't discriminated against as much as the poor white trailer trash guy. Fat people are discrimated against more than slim people. Ugly people are discrimated against more than beautiful people.......

[Rob]

Rob, shut the fuck up.


Nope, I think I'll talk on.

lol nobody "gives a toss" about you not caring about the big 4 - I don't see why you guys feel the need to point that out all the time. I get it - you guys don't like American sports. Nobody cares.


If nobody gives a toss, why are people bitching on my comments? Like to know who you "know" I don't like American sports though.

Yeah nobody in Japan or South America gives a toss about baseball at all. Certainly no one in Eastern Europe cares about hockey. In fact, I doubt anyone from Spain or Serbia has even heard of basketball.

Your argument is so solid, Robby. You don't sound retarded at all. You're a big boy.

South American baseball? That's new on me. Outside of Cuba, the US and Japan, it's not popular. Who knows anything about Hockey in Russia? Actually, being that there isn't even a league going in the States right now, it's not even worth answering that. Wow! Spain and Serbia play Basketball? 2 whole countries!

Who sounds retarded again? Aside from your granny of course.

Oh you're so silly.

:kiss:

[Gertner]

Actually, you have no real indication that women golfers wouldn't be competitive on the PGA scene (Especially since they don't want them in). Really, there'd be mroe money, as being way down the totem pole is still more financially rewarding than being a top star on the LPGA.

Annika already compteted and she got her ass kicked. Women as of late have been trying to even QUALIFY for the U.S Open and have failed. A women could not compete on the PGA Tour. Also, if you don't make the cut at tour events, you don't get shit.

[Gertner]

Nope, I think I'll talk on.



If nobody gives a toss, why are people bitching on my comments? Like to know who you "know" I don't like American sports though.



South American baseball? That's new on me. Outside of Cuba, the US and Japan, it's not popular. Who knows anything about Hockey in Russia? Actually, being that there isn't even a league going in the States right now, it's not even worth answering that. Wow! Spain and Serbia play Basketball? 2 whole countries!

Who sounds retarded again? Aside from your granny of course.



:kiss:

dude, Russia domintated Hockey for a long ass time.

And basketball, um France, Germany, Lithuania, Brazil, Argentina, have all produced starts in the NBA.

[Gertner]

The point is that a white guy has one billion more options then a black guy, and men have a billion more options then women. Why act like you are being discriminated against when you clearly aren't.
Not realy. Especially in university where scholarships have to be divided equally. In the pro ranks yes, but that's because nobody wants to watch it

[Gertner]

I've gotta agree with you.

While I follow football in the US, mostly the Pats, that doesn't make it a really tough game like everyone professes it to be.

"I just find it odd that a nation that prides itself on virility straps on 80 lbs of padding to play Rugby."

I agree with you. It's not that tough. I played Defensive tackel for 5 years before all the haters come out of the woodwork.

[Kane Knight]

If nobody gives a toss, why are people bitching on my comments? Like to know who you "know" I don't like American sports though.
steemah's one f those funny people who doesn't care...And desparately needs to show it off up in hurrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Kane Knight]

The problem with that is that it is discriminatory. Could you imagine a white businessman advertising "White candidate preferred"?

You can't correct discrimination with discrimination. There is a case here in Canada where a man is suing an "all womens gym" for discrimination. As "all men gyms" are discriminatory, shouldn't this also be a problem. What a fucked up planet we live in?

I'm not disagreeing with you BCWWF, I'm just pointing out some realities and logic problems we encounter when it comes to these types of situations.
So...Trying to bring this back on topic...

Okay. Several of the tournies REFUSE women in the PGA. Remember, these are people who wouldn't let a cripple play because he couldn't walk to the various holes.

To this end, I have no problem with a "Women only" organisation, since there's already a "men only" organisation. Why cna't you adress a serious issue, like how they don't let non-alcoholics into AA meetings? That's some serious discrimination there.

Would you have the same objections if they were the same organisation, and different divisions? It's still technically discrimination, but everyone seems okay with it.

[The Gooch]

There is nothing written in the PGA that REFUSES women from participating. They have to qualify. Same goes for any man who wants to be on the tour. Exemptions have been given to women in the past (Sorenstam and Wie have played PGA events). The LPGA has gender written in its rules.

Regarding cripples, it has to do with the rules of the sport. I was hoping that they would make an exception for Casey Martin to play, but again as the rules state you have to walk the course it becomes a delicate issue. I'm pretty sure some fat dudes like John Daly would prefer to use a cart because it is easier. I guess they didn't want to open a crack they couldn't close. Personally I disagreed with it, but it's their sport....

Please don't make the assumption that I support these issues. I do not in many cases. They are just hurdles that get thrown in the way as the fly in the face of other practices in our society.

[Kane Knight]

There is nothing written in the PGA that REFUSES women from participating. They have to qualify. Same goes for any man who wants to be on the tour. Exemptions have been given to women in the past (Sorenstam and Wie have played PGA events).
I don't know if you've looked around lately, but there are tours REFUSING women. Using past examples when the present indicates it's otherwise true is poor arguing. I mean, pay attention to the actual news, they were getting protested for this shit. When the PGA is saying bye bye to sponsors who wanted women on the show...

But it's not in the rules. I suppose that makes it okay.

You know, like racial profiling. It's not in the laws, it's an unofficial policy where practiced.

[The Gooch]

The protesting is referring to Augusta National which is a golf course and has nothing to do with the PGA tour. It states that only men can be members. Women can play the course, but can not be a member.

[BCWWF]

Shouldn't this be in the casual forum, being a golf topic and all?

[The Gooch]

Shouldn't this be in the casual forum, being a golf topic and all?

I was thinking the discussion forum myself.....

[Zen v.W.o.]

Rob, Russia has been a Hockey power forever. Every cold climate nation is a good Hockey nation, most everywhere.

Czech republic, slovakia, finland, sweden, poland, belarus, kazakstan, latvia, germany, france(although they suck)..

[BCWWF]

Yeah, I noticed the Russia comment too.

That being said, the NBA also has quite a large international influence. Besides Eastern Europe, basketball has expanded into Asia quite a bit now. I do believe that he made that comment to get a reaction though, so I should probably stop right about.......here.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

South American baseball? That's new on me. Outside of Cuba, the US and Japan, it's not popular. Who knows anything about Hockey in Russia? Actually, being that there isn't even a league going in the States right now, it's not even worth answering that. Wow! Spain and Serbia play Basketball? 2 whole countries!

Who sounds retarded again? Aside from your granny of course.



Oh Robert, your ignorance is fantastic. I enjoy the way you try to pass it off as being too cool to care or above American sports though. Although I fail to see how mentioning that the rest of the world revolves around the US's hockey league backs up your point that no one cares about American sports.

It's ok bruv, you're usually behind the curve anyway.

[AlphaBean]

Which league makes more money: the NFL or the uh... national rugby association?
I'd hazard a guess that no Rugby player is making Peyton Manning money.

With that in mind, I'd put a fucking helmet on him, too.

[Gonzo]

Good point Alphabean.

Rob, there is no point coming into the thread acting like a troll. You've successfully made yourself look like an asshole when it was completely unecessary. Take your fucking shit elsewhere twat. Plus, you're a fool if you think people abroad don't give a shit about sports like Basketball or Hockey, they're in the Olympics you asshole. Obviously there is some international flavor there. The other sports such as Baseball and Football don't have such an international influence, you're right in that.

Don't come in here all nonchalant making comments like that because quite frankly the same could be said of the popular sports in your country. Fucking turd.