Hulk Hogan resentment on this board?

[The Answer]

I just want to know where all this resentment for Hogan stems from. Let's take a look at some of the excuses I have read on this board

1) Oh, man I thought this was Hogan's last match

My answer: Hogan is as over now as he was 10 years ago as he is still a hero to so many and people will still pay to see him.

2) Hogan is to old he should retire

My answer: Ric Flair I believe is older than Hogan and still wrestles and please don't tell me Flair is puts on 5 star matches right now. Last match I saw all he did was low blow and bite Angle pretty much the whole match. Hogan is also in better shape(besides the hip) than 3/4 of the roster.

3) I don't like this version of Hogan

My answer: Hogan was over as a face and a heel and I bet plenty of you guys liked him as a heel. He may have been the best heel ever...

4)Hogan can't wrestle for shit

My answer: This is a true statement but it's not like Steve Austin was the most technical wrestler either.

5) Hogan won't put the young guys over

My answer: Hogan put Lesnar,Rock,Taker and Angle all over. Steve Austin quit WWE because he didn't want to job to Lesnar yet everyone has forgotten that.

BTW without Hogan their would be no Steve Austin, Rock etc because without his exposure wrestling would never be as big as it is today.

So is there anything else?

[McLegend]

Steve Austin was a great wrestler

[Londoner]

I don't like his patriotic image, and as hbk said he is still living as the same character he created 20 years ago, i would also hate him in person.(though i don't normally use that as an excuse for not liking a wrestler, it's just adding to the reasons really)

[Londoner]

Steve Austin was a great wrestler

:lol:

[The Answer]

I don't like his patriotic image, and as hbk said he is still living as the same character he created 20 years ago, i would also hate him in person.(though i don't normally use that as an excuse for not liking a wrestler, it's just adding to the reasons really)

Shawn created his character over 12 years ago and his gimmick right now makes less sense than Hogan's .The Heartbreak Kid at 35? Shawn is a great wrestler but come on. What's wrong with his patriotic image? Im not an American but if my kids one day take Hogan up as a hero I would be thrilled. Hogan>>>> jackasses on TV today.

[Loose Cannon]

Keep in mind, I don't hate Hogan

I just want to know where all this resentment for Hogan stems from. Let's take a look at some of the excuses I have read on this board

1) Oh, man I thought this was Hogan's last match

My answer: Hogan is as over now as he was 10 years ago as he is still a hero to so many and people will still pay to see him.

No, that's totally wrong. Hogan hasn't been over as a babyface since the early 90's really. Sure he gets pops when he comes back, but that's because he's been gone for so long. And because many fans just have a sentimental feeling towards him. He may spike numbers for 1 or 2 shows, but that doesn't mean he's over.


2) Hogan is to old he should retire

My answer: Ric Flair I believe is older than Hogan and still wrestles and please don't tell me Flair is puts on 5 star matches right now. Last match I saw all he did was low blow and bite Angle pretty much the whole match. Hogan is also in better shape(besides the hip) than 3/4 of the roster.

Nobody here is saying Flair should still be wrestling. Hogan in better shape then 3/4 of the roster is laughable. All he does is punch, block, slam and leg drop. He couldn't keep up with 95% of the roster if they didn't have a "Hogan-esque" match.

3) I don't like this version of Hogan

My answer: Hogan was over as a face and a heel and I bet plenty of you guys liked him as a heel. He may have been the best heel ever...

Why are you bringing up the past when we are talking about present Hogan? Again, Hogan hasn't been over or drawn as a face since the early 90's

4)Hogan can't wrestle for shit

My answer: This is a true statement but it's not like Steve Austin was the most technical wrestler either.

LOL, funny you used Austin here because before Austin got hurt, he was one of the greatest technical wrestlers of all-time. Watch WCW Austin and you'll see. Hell, watch Bret/Austin and you'll see

5) Hogan won't put the young guys over

My answer: Hogan put Lesnar,Rock,Taker and Angle all over. Steve Austin quit WWE because he didn't want to job to Lesnar yet everyone has forgotten that.

No, you're misinterpreting the phrase "putting someone over" The book Death of WCW explains it real well and actually references Hogan and the wrong way to put someone over. I'll actually type up the section for you later on when I find the book. So hold this thought



BTW without Hogan their would be no Steve Austin, Rock etc because without his exposure wrestling would never be as big as it is today.

So is there anything else?

well, that's a real stretch.

[LK]

I just want to know where all this resentment for Hogan stems from. Let's take a look at some of the excuses I have read on this board

1) Oh, man I thought this was Hogan's last match

My answer: Hogan is as over now as he was 10 years ago as he is still a hero to so many and people will still pay to see him.

Ok well people literally hated Hogan 10 years ago but that's irrelevant. People are tired of the same old act. People don't want to see the same old no sell, punhc, big boot and leg drop. Shawn Michaels summed it up on Raw. It's just the same shit over and over and over

2) Hogan is to old he should retire

My answer: Ric Flair I believe is older than Hogan and still wrestles and please don't tell me Flair is puts on 5 star matches right now. Last match I saw all he did was low blow and bite Angle pretty much the whole match. Hogan is also in better shape(besides the hip) than 3/4 of the roster.

I think Flair has had some decent matches in recent times but Flair doesn't usually wrestle and if he does he isn't a major factor. He doesn't get all this time to build up matches. As for better shape, you must be having a fucking laugh.

3) I don't like this version of Hogan

My answer: Hogan was over as a face and a heel and I bet plenty of you guys liked him as a heel. He may have been the best heel ever...

Bullshit. If he was the greatest heel of all time people would have booed him when he came back to the WWE with the nWo. He was booed in WCW before he became a heel.

4)Hogan can't wrestle for shit

My answer: This is a true statement but it's not like Steve Austin was the most technical wrestler either.

Austin was a fucking awesome wrestler but couldn't show it becaue of his character.

5) Hogan won't put the young guys over

My answer: Hogan put Lesnar,Rock,Taker and Angle all over. Steve Austin quit WWE because he didn't want to job to Lesnar yet everyone has forgotten that.

You call Taker young? I would agree that he has put some people over in his last run but he also made Hassan and Daivari loook like shit as well as Carlito. And lets not start on the subject of how many careers he helped destroy.

BTW without Hogan their would be no Steve Austin, Rock etc because without his exposure wrestling would never be as big as it is today.

Debatable. Who's to say that someone else wouldn't have taken the character and made it work as well or better.

So is there anything else?

I think people are just sick of him. There is only so long it can be believable that he beats up younger, stronger, faster guys than him. There is only so long that people can tolerate watching the same old act over and over again.

[Loose Cannon]

:lol:

you didn't watch WCW/ECW/WWF 96 Austin eathier I guess

[LK]

Shawn created his character over 12 years ago and his gimmick right now makes less sense than Hogan's .The Heartbreak Kid at 35? Shawn is a great wrestler but come on. What's wrong with his patriotic image? Im not an American but if my kids one day take Hogan up as a hero I would be thrilled. Hogan>>>> jackasses on TV today.
Shawn has reinvented himself several times.

[Londoner]

Yeah but HBK reinvents himself in certain ways, Hogan only reinvented himself when he was in NWO.Look at HBK's character now compared to a few weeks ago, you can tell how he's changed. The amount of times people have talked about the 'old' hbk shows you he has reinvented himself. Do people say anything like that about Hogan?Don't think so.

[LK]

People that say Austin wasn't a good wrestler, watch WM 13 and come back and say it again.

[Loose Cannon]

The only person I'll argue Hogan put over is the Ultimate Warrior. Maybe Orndorff.

[Londoner]

you didn't watch WCW/ECW/WWF 96 Austin eathier I guess


I started watching in 2000, but i know he had an old gimmick which i can't remember the name of, which was more of a wrestling type gimmick wasn't it?

[McLegend]

He was the ringmaster when he first came to the WWE.

[Londoner]

People that say Austin wasn't a good wrestler, watch WM 13 and come back and say it again.

He probably used to be a good wrestler, but having the brawler gimmick for ages means he probably isn't that good a wrestler anymore.

[Loose Cannon]

Yea, that was The Ringmaster and even before that though, he was the fucking man in the ring. If you get a chance to watch his old stuff (early 90's-96) you'll see a whole different Austin.

[LK]

Just watch his submission match with Bret at WM 13. He was Stone Cold Steve Austin back then as well. As someone that never saw him in WCW, I can't really comment but I have heard that he and Pillman were one of the finest teams and most underutilized teams in history.

[Londoner]

He was the ringmaster when he first came to the WWE.


I thought so.I didn't want to look stupid by guessing something that didn't sound right to me.

[Londoner]

Well i guess i'll have to wait and watch a previous match of his from back then and make my own judgement.

[Fox]

The only person I'll argue Hogan put over is the Ultimate Warrior. Maybe Orndorff.

Goldberg.

[LK]

He and Nash killed Goldberg

[Corkscrewed]

I resent Hogan because:

- In real life, he's a selfish, greedy, egotistical fogie who doesn't earn the money he's paid
- He's a horrible wrestler and always has been, but the time where you could get over based on literally five moves is long past
- He takes up TV time from younger wrestlers who deserve it more
- He constantly teases a last match but always comes back
- He's not really that entertaining anymore
- He hogs the spotlight instead of really putting people over
- And despite all of this, HE ALWAYS COMES BACK

Kinda like malaria.



That's why I resent him, and I'll readily admit it's my opinion.

And yes, I loved him as a kid, but now that I know how he's like, it's affected my judgment. I mean, if JBL wasn't an asshole in real life, I'd list him as one of my favorite wrestlers ever.

[McLegend]

Anyway back on to Hogan

I don't hate Hogan, but I can see why people would hate him

He's old and does the same stuff everytime and has been doing the same stuff pretty much forever.

Also people don't hate Flair becasue he is hilarious and entertaining.

Also lol @ Hogan being in better shape then 1/2 the roster??? Come on just becasue you are a Hogan mark don't be a blind fool.

[Loose Cannon]

To Fox:

Why? Cause he lost a Title match on Nitro? That's not putting someone over. Where did Goldberg go after that? I seriously can't remember a great Goldberg moment after he won the Title. And the only thing I actually remember after that is Kevin Nash beating him and then Nash laying down for Hogan afterwards.

If Hogan wanted to put Goldberg over, he would of challenged him again and taken another 3 count from Goldberg or he would of done so in a big time feel match. Or he would of made Goldberg look like a million bucks before that.

Granted, Goldberg was already over anyway, but he sank right after that win due to the nWo getting most of the TV time. The whole Wolfpac/Hogan feud.

[Marcyo]

Kinda like malaria.

:lol:

[The Answer]

Alright some valid points made. By physical shape I didn't mean agilty and ring endurance, I meant basically the pythons and his overall muscular look. It is true that Hogan has gotten predicatable in the ring but you have to understand that was never his IMO. Hogan in the early years was basically supposed to vanquish the heels by being over whelmed for most of the match and than "Hulk Up", boot and leg drop. You can consider him the Rocky of the wrestling buisness as he wasn't a technical wrestler but just had such a following of fans that the WWE rode the money making horse to the bank. BTW he did job to Taker when he first entered the WWE if you wan't to call that a job.

[Londoner]

I resent Hogan because:

- In real life, he's a selfish, greedy, egotistical fogie who doesn't earn the money he's paid
- He's a horrible wrestler and always has been, but the time where you could get over based on literally five moves is long past
- He takes up TV time from younger wrestlers who deserve it more
- He constantly teases a last match but always comes back
- He's not really that entertaining anymore
- He hogs the spotlight instead of really putting people over
- And despite all of this, HE ALWAYS COMES BACK

Kinda like malaria.



That's why I resent him, and I'll readily admit it's my opinion.

.


That's basically all that needs to be said.

[LK]

BTW he did job to Taker when he first entered the WWE if you wan't to call that a job.
See LC's point about Goldberg

[The Answer]

To Fox:

Why? Cause he lost a Title match on Nitro? That's not putting someone over. Where did Goldberg go after that? I seriously can't remember a great Goldberg moment after he won the Title. And the only thing I actually remember after that is Kevin Nash beating him and then Nash laying down for Hogan afterwards.

If Hogan wanted to put Goldberg over, he would of challenged him again and taken another 3 count from Goldberg or he would of done so in a big time feel match. Or he would of made Goldberg look like a million bucks before that.

Granted, Goldberg was already over anyway, but he sank right after that win due to the nWo getting most of the TV time. The whole Wolfpac/Hogan feud.

He put Sting over plenty of times...

[The Answer]

Also lol @ Hogan being in better shape then 1/2 the roster??? Come on just becasue you are a Hogan mark don't be a blind fool.

Again like I explained in my last post I meant the pythons and the overall muscular look at 50.

[LK]

I don't think he did, although someone with more knowledge of WCW may be able to confirm that.

[SuperSlim]

all I'm going to say is back in teh 80s Hogan was somethin.

Now I could careless to see him anymore.

[The Answer]

I don't think he did, although someone with more knowledge of WCW may be able to confirm that.

He did put Sting(remembers Hart as referee at a title match). Hell even Luger won the title off of him in WCW.

[McLegend]

He put Sting over plenty of times...
Come on starcade? You call that putting someone over

I like Hogan but even I can't admit that he put anyone over in WCW, because he didn't.

[Loose Cannon]

Alright some valid points made. By physical shape I didn't mean agilty and ring endurance, I meant basically the pythons and his overall muscular look. It is true that Hogan has gotten predicatable in the ring but you have to understand that was never his IMO. Hogan in the early years was basically supposed to vanquish the heels by being over whelmed for most of the match and than "Hulk Up", boot and leg drop. You can consider him the Rocky of the wrestling buisness as he wasn't a technical wrestler but just had such a following of fans that the WWE raod the money making horse to the bank. BTW he did job to Taker when he first entered the WWE if you wan't to call that a job.

Yea, you're talking about the past again. We know he made a lot of money for Vince. That's a fact. We're talking about today's Hogan.

He did lose (job) to Taker, but he got the Title right back. Again, that's not putting someone over.

How did he put Sting over? I would argue Sting vs the entire nWo and Sting being the "savior" of WCW put him over. If Hogan would of taken a clean 3 at Starcade and then let Sting be the main focus of the shows afterwards for a long time, then I would say Hogan put him over. Didn't happen though.

[Loose Cannon]

Again like I explained in my last post I meant the pythons and the overall muscular look at 50.

yea, steroids can do that.

[The Answer]

I resent Hogan because:

- In real life, he's a selfish, greedy, egotistical fogie who doesn't earn the money he's paid
- He's a horrible wrestler and always has been, but the time where you could get over based on literally five moves is long past
- He takes up TV time from younger wrestlers who deserve it more
- He constantly teases a last match but always comes back
- He's not really that entertaining anymore
- He hogs the spotlight instead of really putting people over
- And despite all of this, HE ALWAYS COMES BACK



Well I could use at least three of those points on Steve Austin as well and im a semi- Austin fan. But he is a women beater who comes back time and time again and it is losing it's luster because he is also predictable. Stunner(s) and beer or vice versa

[McLegend]

A good amount of the internet now though don't like Austin.

So using Austin as an example would be a bad idea.

[LK]

Can someone who saw WCW enlighten me on the Starrcade match. I have heard that it was built up for over a year and when it finally came it was a fucking catastrophe.

[The Answer]

Can someone who saw WCW enlighten me on the Starrcade match. I have heard that it was built up for over a year and when it finally came it was a fucking catastrophe.

Basically the match was a catastrophe and Hogan tapped out to the scorpion deathlock with Bret Hart as the ref.

[PureHatred]

You've got to be fucking kidding??!!!??

That match at Starcade after a year build-up was one of the worst examples in history of someone beign buried. Hogan killed Sting for the whole match, threw him on the ground, and w/o Sting delivering one offensive move pinned him clean after a legdrop. And then with the announcers trying to come up with some bullshit 'fast count' excuse,(the count was clearly not fast ) Bret Hart ran down, made some gibberish announcement about "this isn't happening again" (alluding to the Montreal incident; Hart had debuted that night for WCW) and re-started the match. How? We have no idea since hart had no authority in the storylines.

Keep in mind that Sting was laying on his back for this entire time.

Match restarts, Sting gets in two moves, Stinger splashm, pin. And Hogan walks out like it neve rhappened while Sting does the obligatory celebration w/all the faces.

You don't understand the difference between losing and putting someone over. And you are losing all credibility in this argument about Hogan.

[Loose Cannon]

Yea, Sting was built up as the savior of WCW. He took down basically every member of the nWo. Then he faced Hogan for the Title. This was suppossed to be the big win. But the match was shit. Hogan got most of the offense and he gave his legdrop to Sting in the middle of the match. The ref counted a fast 3. Now here we have Sting, who WCW spent a year building up to finally take down Hogan, taking a 3 count right in the middle of the ring.

So Bret comes down and gets the match restarted. Sting hooks Hogan in the Deathlock and Hogan submits. Damage already down though

[LK]

That match at Starcade after a year build-up was one of the worst examples in history of someone beign buried. Hogan killed Sting for the whole match, threw him on the ground, and w/o Sting delivering one offensive move pinned him clean after a legdrop. And then with the announcers trying to come up with some bullshit 'fast count' excuse,(the count was clearly not fast ) Bret Hart ran down, made some gibberish announcement about "this isn't happening again" (alluding to the Montreal incident; Hart had debuted that night for WCW) and re-started the match. How? We have no idea since hart had no authority in the storylines.
Seriously! Fucking hell!

[McLegend]

Ok well the match itself was bad. The ending made it terrible

Hogan pinned Sting (I forget the move he did that caused him to pin Sting proably the leg drop) Nick Patrick then counts 1-2-3. Hogan wins

Hogan is celebrating walking to the back then Bret Hart comes out and says that Nick Patrick's count was fast which it wasn't. So Bret restarts the match and Hogan then taps out to the Scorpion Deathlock.

So see it looked like that Hogan was still stronger Sting, becasue Sting needed help.

edit: PH's explantion is better

[PureHatred]

Basically the match was a catastrophe and Hogan tapped out to the scorpion deathlock with Bret Hart as the ref.

As I said, you don't know what it mean to "put someone over." If you'd seen that match, hogan completely fucked Sting and basically shit on what was THE hottest feud in wrestling.

[Shadow]

I don't hate Hogan per se. I hate the god damn Hulkmaniacs that scream and mark out and bow down whenever he shows up. That's who I hate.

And I'm going to be one of them come Summerslam.

[The Answer]

You've got to be fucking kidding??!!!??

That match at Starcade after a year build-up was one of the worst examples in history of someone beign buried. Hogan killed Sting for the whole match, threw him on the ground, and w/o Sting delivering one offensive move pinned him clean after a legdrop. And then with the announcers trying to come up with some bullshit 'fast count' excuse,(the count was clearly not fast ) Bret Hart ran down, made some gibberish announcement about "this isn't happening again" (alluding to the Montreal incident; Hart had debuted that night for WCW) and re-started the match. How? We have no idea since hart had no authority in the storylines.

Keep in mind that Sting was laying on his back for this entire time.

Match restarts, Sting gets in two moves, Stinger splashm, pin. And Hogan walks out like it neve rhappened while Sting does the obligatory celebration w/all the faces.

You don't understand the difference between losing and putting someone over. And you are losing all credibility in this argument about Hogan.

The stupid writers probably couldn't come up with a proper ending as why wouldn't Sting kick out of the leg drop if he was supposed to win the match? It's not like no had never kicked out of it. I guess the backstage posturing between writers was fucked up. Some wanted Hogan to keep the belt while they others wanted to give it to Sting. Remember some of these guys came up with the craziest shit.

[LK]

So it wasn't plausable that Sting could kick out of the leg drop despite the fact that Goldberg kicked out of three leg drops.

[LK]

Wasn't Nash the head writer about this time?

[Loose Cannon]

This is a good discussion Answer. I like having these discussions on here. I will rep you for this.

[LK]

This is a good discussion Answer. I like having these discussions on here. I will rep you for this.
:y:

[Loose Cannon]

Well, it's actually rumored that right before the match, Hogan got into the ref's ear and told him about the change to the finish and the ref just went along with it.

[The Answer]

So it wasn't plausable that Sting could kick out of the leg drop despite the fact that Goldberg kicked out of three leg drops.

That is what im saying as their was probably a mix up backstage with one writer telling Sting one thing and they other writer telling Hogan another. Hey at least Hogan let Sting get the submission he could have walked out.

[LK]

As already pointed out the damage was already done to Sting. The submission meant shit.

[Volchok]

I have never liked Hogan, Didn't like him back then don't like him now. Everything everyone has said why they didn't like him I totally agree with. There are some wrestlers I like and there are some I will never like, Hogan is one i'll never like..

[The Answer]

Well, it's actually rumored that right before the match, Hogan got into the ref's ear and told him about the change to the finish and the ref just went along with it.

Well that's interesting and if true is really unproffesional. I don't know Hulk Hogan the man but from what I hear he is really great guy who doesn't mind talking to fans. I have read on several occasions about him doing autograph signings and staying their well past the time he was supposed to be their becuase of the overwheling crowd waiting.

[The Answer]

Again I don't expect everyone on here to like Hogan as you each have your own opinions. I just hope everyone respects the man for his contribution to the buisness.

[Shadow]

Again I don't expect everyone on here to like Hogan as you each have your own opinions. I just hope everyone respects the man for his contribution to the buisness.

Oh don't get me wrong. I definitly respect what he's done for the wrestling business. I just wish he'd have the smarts to realize that he can't run with the young dogs anymore and it's time to pass the torch.

[Loose Cannon]

Oh and if we're talking about the correct way to put someone over. Let's take a prime example from this past year. HHH put over Batista like a million bucks. HHH did every single thing you're supposed to do to put someone over. He made Batista look on his level and he never made Batista look like a loser. When I say that I don't mean because Batista never lost to him, I mean because Batista always looked as strong and as smart as HHH. That's how you put someone over.

[LK]

I respect what he did once upon a time but that was in the 80's. In my opinion Hogan should have gracefully bowed out of wrestling after WM 18. Go out on the ultimate high.

[James Steele]

I resent Hogan because:

- In real life, he's a selfish, greedy, egotistical fogie who doesn't earn the money he's paid
- He's a horrible wrestler and always has been, but the time where you could get over based on literally five moves is long past
- He takes up TV time from younger wrestlers who deserve it more
- He constantly teases a last match but always comes back
- He's not really that entertaining anymore
- He hogs the spotlight instead of really putting people over
- And despite all of this, HE ALWAYS COMES BACK

Kinda like malaria.



That's why I resent him, and I'll readily admit it's my opinion.

And yes, I loved him as a kid, but now that I know how he's like, it's affected my judgment. I mean, if JBL wasn't an asshole in real life, I'd list him as one of my favorite wrestlers ever.

:y:

[The Answer]

Oh don't get me wrong. I definitly respect what he's done for the wrestling business. I just wish he'd have the smarts to realize that he can't run with the young dogs anymore and it's time to pass the torch.

Which is what he will do at Summerslam by jobbing to maybe the best wrestler in the last ten years Shawn Micheals. Hogan will than recieve a final standing ovation and then Hulkamania goes into the the wrestling history books.

[LK]

Unfortunately Hogan is going to beat HBK

[The Answer]

Oh and if we're talking about the correct way to put someone over. Let's take a prime example from this past year. HHH put over Batista like a million bucks. HHH did every single thing you're supposed to do to put someone over. He made Batista look on his level and he never made Batista look like a loser. When I say that I don't mean because Batista never lost to him, I mean because Batista always looked as strong and as smart as HHH. That's how you put someone over.

Ya, your right but was this by choice or neccesity from the HHH over exposure that even the WWE saw after a while.

[The Answer]

Unfortunately Hogan is going to beat HBK

I wouldn't be so sure maybe HBK finally surpasses Hogan's level which he talked about on monday that no one else was able to do.

[James Steele]

If you actually think that Hulk Hogan's last match is SummerSlam, you are insane.

[LK]

As Steele says there will be another last match and another. It's just boring.

[Shadow]

If you actually think that Hulk Hogan's last match is SummerSlam, you are insane.

Hey dude...give the guy a little credit. If he wants Hogan to have a last match at SS, let him.

Course we all know Hogan's last match will be at Mania but hey now....let's have our little fantasies.

[The Answer]

If you actually think that Hulk Hogan's last match is SummerSlam, you are insane.

I think Summerslam will be it for Hogan(as he will go out on top fighting one of the greats) unless Randy Orton wants to add another legend to his list...

[Xero]

I don't HATE Hogan, I just wish that he would have made better business decisions in WCW and now in WWE.

Which is what he will do at Summerslam by jobbing to maybe the best wrestler in the last ten years Shawn Micheals. Hogan will than recieve a final standing ovation and then Hulkamania goes into the the wrestling history books.

Hulkamania won't be put into the wrestling books until Hogan is dead. Hogan is going to keep having these comeback and 'dream' matches. Austin is next after Michaels, I guarantee it. He'll face Austin at WrestleMania 22, watch.

[James Steele]

Hey dude...give the guy a little credit. If he wants Hogan to have a last match at SS, let him.

Course we all know Hogan's last match will be at Mania but hey now....let's have our little fantasies.
If by Mania, you mean WrestleMania 30 (and thats an early estimate.)

[The Answer]

I don't HATE Hogan, I just wish that he would have made better business decisions in WCW and now in WWE.



Hulkamania won't be put into the wrestling books until Hogan is dead. Hogan is going to keep having these comeback and 'dream' matches. Austin is next after Michaels, I guarantee it. He'll face Austin at WrestleMania 22, watch.

Can Austin even wrestle anymore with that neck? Face it their is no else left, he has faced Angle, HHH and all the rest. The only way I see anything happening is if Randy Orton needs to be put over more by RKO'ing Hogan and getting a three.

[LK]

I think he could probably have a match with someone like Hogan but never with the usual guys on the roster.

[The Answer]

This is a good discussion Answer. I like having these discussions on here. I will rep you for this.

:y: Thanks, I just wanted to get a few things off my chest.

[Xero]

I think he could probably have a match with someone like Hogan but never with the usual guys on the roster.
Yep. Austin wants to do a last match from what I've heard. Hogan would be his best bet.

[Shadow]

If by Mania, you mean WrestleMania 30 (and thats an early estimate.)

Damn your optimistic. I'm saying Mania 2039 at the earliest.

[Kane Knight]

Resentment of Hogan stems from jealousy. I know I wish I could live in plush luxury for the occasional flexing of now-flabby muscles.

[Pepsi Man]

Jesus. With all of this knowledge about how to put guys over, it's a wonder Loose Cannon isn't in the WWE right now, or running his own promotion about to snuff the WWE out of business. ;)

[Innovator]

The only match Hogan needs to have now is Hogan vs. Austin, either that or Hogan puts over a Cena/Batista/HHH

[Savio]

About Hogan vs Sting the count wasn't even that fast.

[Savio]

A movie on how the nWo killed wrestling....also includes sting vs hogan but i amalso cutting it out into a smaller vid.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=19QVO3P5

[Kane Knight]

Jesus. With all of this knowledge about how to put guys over, it's a wonder Loose Cannon isn't in the WWE right now, or running his own promotion about to snuff the WWE out of business. ;)
To be fair, if the WWE had someone as clued in as LC, they'd have fired him back when Kane was still a burn victim and well before Brock could threaten to kill him.

Notice that TNA actually hired Russo/Rhodes? You think there's a place for anyone who even REMOTELY knows shit about wrestling? Hell, even Heyman was taken off WWE creative...

[Kane Knight]

The only match Hogan needs to have now is Hogan vs. Austin, either that or Hogan puts over a Cena/Batista/HHH And since Hell will freeze over first...

[Skippord]

5) Hogan won't put the young guys over

My answer: Hogan put Lesnar,Rock,Taker and Angle all over. Steve Austin quit WWE because he didn't want to job to Lesnar yet everyone has forgotten that.


Austin left cause he didnt like the direction they were going and he didnt want to put Lesnar over in a quick tournement non built up angle

[Corkscrewed]

Well I could use at least three of those points on Steve Austin as well and im a semi- Austin fan. But he is a women beater who comes back time and time again and it is losing it's luster because he is also predictable. Stunner(s) and beer or vice versa

Yes, except Austin can actually wrestle pretty well and he's decently entertaining.

But I'll agree that's he's sort of pushing it. Still, when he comes back, it's not after he "retired," so there none of that kayfabe trickery that Hogan excels at.

[Corkscrewed]

Also, in response to
Which is what he will do at Summerslam by jobbing to maybe the best wrestler in the last ten years Shawn Micheals. Hogan will than recieve a final standing ovation and then Hulkamania goes into the the wrestling history books.
*cough* 20 year contract *cough*

[Kane Knight]

Austin left cause he didnt like the direction they were going and he didnt want to put Lesnar over in a quick tournement non built up angle
Explain it all you want, he said he was okay with it, that the issue had been resolved, and didn't show up. This was pathetic, unprofessional, and unjustified.

[Skippord]

Alright it was a Dick move on his part

[Kane Knight]

IT was a dick move and it was probably because he didn't want to lay down.

How many people has he put over of late?

Fuck that, how many people has he put over, period?

[PureHatred]

Hulk Hogan is a perfect example of how sometimes ignorance is bliss when it comes to being a wrestling fan. As a kid, Hogan was the closest thing to a living, breathing superhero. I loved everything about him.

And his turn was incredible. Whoever dismissed him being the greatest heel of all time obviously never watched him when the nWo was first created. he ws LOATHED. Nobody got more heat than Hogan. As a performer, he was a big partof the two highest points in the business: the 80s boom and the Monday Night Wars. Great. Good for him.

But Hogan is one of the most conniving, egotistical, manipulative, lying, backstabbing people I've heard of in any industry - ever. The no-sell for Vader in the WWF. His refusal to job for Bret Hart. His refusal to job to Andre or Dibiase at WMIV. And pretty much his entire carer in WCW: demanding to be put over Flair on his arrival, blaming the writing staff when the fans got on his case, pulling string to get all his buddies high-paying jobs (that whole Dungeon of Doom angle ws his idea, basically), the match with Sting which WAS Hogan's fault [NOTE: the whole rumor regarding the ref comes from the fact the Nick Patrick was the ref, Patrick was a close friend of Hogan, and before the match the two had a heated discussion that was clearly not in kayfabe] the match with Goldberg whihc Hogan only agreed to so as to show that he was a huge draw when the event had been sold out for weeks befiore it was announced Hogan would even be there, the shit he pulled where he would disappear for weeks durung the NBA playoffs then return once they ended and then take credit for the natural ratings boost, and on and on and on and on.....

Hogan has done some evil things in his career. Evil, wretched things. And it takes away from that feeling of nostalgia. Beyond just the things HBK said (which were all 100% correct BTW) it's that once you know about the stuff he's done within the business its just hard to get behind him. Hogan HAS put people over before: Savage, Warrior, DDP, Angle, Lesnar (big time!), and he gave Edge a rub by tagging with him. But none of that really balances the fact that for 25 years Hogan scrwed everyone around him, even guys he clainmed were his best friends, in order to take care of himself.

[Tornado]

Again like I explained in my last post I meant the pythons and the overall muscular look at 50.

Thats still pretty laughable. He looks like shit IMO.

[tucsonspeed6]

All he does is punch, block, slam and leg drop.

Don't forget pointing and posing, which he does for the majority of his on-camera time. Even Flair and Undertaker punch more than they pose.


No, you're misinterpreting the phrase "putting someone over" The book Death of WCW explains it real well and actually references Hogan and the wrong way to put someone over. I'll actually type up the section for you later on when I find the book. So hold this thought

I know what you're talking about here. It's when they're talking about Russo and Bischoff returning to form the Young Bloods. Hogan allowed Billy Kidman to win a match, but only put himself over in the process. I'd copy that section down here, but my copy of the book got destroyed in a rain/open window disaster.

[LK]

And his turn was incredible. Whoever dismissed him being the greatest heel of all time obviously never watched him when the nWo was first created. he ws LOATHED. Nobody got more heat than Hogan. As a performer, he was a big partof the two highest points in the business: the 80s boom and the Monday Night Wars. Great. Good for him.
That would be moi. I said this because he was already disliked in WCW by the fans before the heel turn and the nWo wasn't a particularly difficult way to get heel heat.

[Kane Knight]

Hulk Hogan is a perfect example of how sometimes ignorance is bliss when it comes to being a wrestling fan. As a kid, Hogan was the closest thing to a living, breathing superhero. I loved everything about him.

And his turn was incredible. Whoever dismissed him being the greatest heel of all time obviously never watched him when the nWo was first created. he ws LOATHED. Nobody got more heat than Hogan. As a performer, he was a big partof the two highest points in the business: the 80s boom and the Monday Night Wars. Great. Good for him.

But Hogan is one of the most conniving, egotistical, manipulative, lying, backstabbing people I've heard of in any industry - ever. The no-sell for Vader in the WWF. His refusal to job for Bret Hart. His refusal to job to Andre or Dibiase at WMIV. And pretty much his entire carer in WCW: demanding to be put over Flair on his arrival, blaming the writing staff when the fans got on his case, pulling string to get all his buddies high-paying jobs (that whole Dungeon of Doom angle ws his idea, basically), the match with Sting which WAS Hogan's fault [NOTE: the whole rumor regarding the ref comes from the fact the Nick Patrick was the ref, Patrick was a close friend of Hogan, and before the match the two had a heated discussion that was clearly not in kayfabe] the match with Goldberg whihc Hogan only agreed to so as to show that he was a huge draw when the event had been sold out for weeks befiore it was announced Hogan would even be there, the shit he pulled where he would disappear for weeks durung the NBA playoffs then return once they ended and then take credit for the natural ratings boost, and on and on and on and on.....

Hogan has done some evil things in his career. Evil, wretched things. And it takes away from that feeling of nostalgia. Beyond just the things HBK said (which were all 100% correct BTW) it's that once you know about the stuff he's done within the business its just hard to get behind him. Hogan HAS put people over before: Savage, Warrior, DDP, Angle, Lesnar (big time!), and he gave Edge a rub by tagging with him. But none of that really balances the fact that for 25 years Hogan scrwed everyone around him, even guys he clainmed were his best friends, in order to take care of himself.
It also doesn't change that he's shit in the modern landscape. He's out of place, so even suspension of disbelief kind of fails here.

[Corkscrewed]

Hulk Hogan is a perfect example of how sometimes ignorance is bliss when it comes to being a wrestling fan. As a kid, Hogan was the closest thing to a living, breathing superhero. I loved everything about him.

And his turn was incredible. Whoever dismissed him being the greatest heel of all time obviously never watched him when the nWo was first created. he ws LOATHED. Nobody got more heat than Hogan. As a performer, he was a big partof the two highest points in the business: the 80s boom and the Monday Night Wars. Great. Good for him.

But Hogan is one of the most conniving, egotistical, manipulative, lying, backstabbing people I've heard of in any industry - ever. The no-sell for Vader in the WWF. His refusal to job for Bret Hart. His refusal to job to Andre or Dibiase at WMIV. And pretty much his entire carer in WCW: demanding to be put over Flair on his arrival, blaming the writing staff when the fans got on his case, pulling string to get all his buddies high-paying jobs (that whole Dungeon of Doom angle ws his idea, basically), the match with Sting which WAS Hogan's fault [NOTE: the whole rumor regarding the ref comes from the fact the Nick Patrick was the ref, Patrick was a close friend of Hogan, and before the match the two had a heated discussion that was clearly not in kayfabe] the match with Goldberg whihc Hogan only agreed to so as to show that he was a huge draw when the event had been sold out for weeks befiore it was announced Hogan would even be there, the shit he pulled where he would disappear for weeks durung the NBA playoffs then return once they ended and then take credit for the natural ratings boost, and on and on and on and on.....

Hogan has done some evil things in his career. Evil, wretched things. And it takes away from that feeling of nostalgia. Beyond just the things HBK said (which were all 100% correct BTW) it's that once you know about the stuff he's done within the business its just hard to get behind him. Hogan HAS put people over before: Savage, Warrior, DDP, Angle, Lesnar (big time!), and he gave Edge a rub by tagging with him. But none of that really balances the fact that for 25 years Hogan scrwed everyone around him, even guys he clainmed were his best friends, in order to take care of himself.

If I could rep you a hundred times I would. But right now I can only do it once.

Wonderful post and details my thoughts perfectly.

[Crimson]

Hogan and Michaels are both egotisticsal, caniving bastards. You guys are trying to make HBK as the goodguy lol.

Regardless i still wanna see the match for historical purposes, and it'll be interesting to see how Hogan does..if he can hang with HBK...I wana order the PPV, but now that Bradshaw is in a title match makes me wana reconsider...

[The Answer]

Hogan and Michaels are both egotisticsal, caniving bastards. You guys are trying to make HBK as the goodguy lol.

Regardless i still wanna see the match for historical purposes, and it'll be interesting to see how Hogan does..if he can hang with HBK...I wana order the PPV, but now that Bradshaw is in a title match makes me wana reconsider...

*cough Spoiler warning cough*

[PureHatred]

No one in this thread defended HBK. The topic was "why do people have such a problem with Hogan?" The reason why HBK was even brought up is because his promo on Monday was so dead-on accurate. It wouldn't have matter who said it, everything he said about Hogan was true.

[Londoner]

Hogan and Michaels are both egotisticsal, caniving bastards. You guys are trying to make HBK as the goodguy lol.

Regardless i still wanna see the match for historical purposes, and it'll be interesting to see how Hogan does..if he can hang with HBK...I wana order the PPV, but now that Bradshaw is in a title match makes me wana reconsider...

No one has said HBK is a good guy, we have explained why we hate Hogan.Tell me, what comments gave you that feeling?

That HBK promo by the way was the best one ive seen from him in a while, i saw the looks on some of the Hogan fans faces (the ones wearing hogan shirts) and they were stunned.