Hulk Hogan resentment on this board?

[The Answer]

I just want to know where all this resentment for Hogan stems from. Let's take a look at some of the excuses I have read on this board

1) Oh, man I thought this was Hogan's last match

My answer: Hogan is as over now as he was 10 years ago as he is still a hero to so many and people will still pay to see him.

2) Hogan is to old he should retire

My answer: Ric Flair I believe is older than Hogan and still wrestles and please don't tell me Flair is puts on 5 star matches right now. Last match I saw all he did was low blow and bite Angle pretty much the whole match. Hogan is also in better shape(besides the hip) than 3/4 of the roster.

3) I don't like this version of Hogan

My answer: Hogan was over as a face and a heel and I bet plenty of you guys liked him as a heel. He may have been the best heel ever...

4)Hogan can't wrestle for shit

My answer: This is a true statement but it's not like Steve Austin was the most technical wrestler either.

5) Hogan won't put the young guys over

My answer: Hogan put Lesnar,Rock,Taker and Angle all over. Steve Austin quit WWE because he didn't want to job to Lesnar yet everyone has forgotten that.

BTW without Hogan their would be no Steve Austin, Rock etc because without his exposure wrestling would never be as big as it is today.

So is there anything else?

[McLegend]

Steve Austin was a great wrestler

[Londoner]

I don't like his patriotic image, and as hbk said he is still living as the same character he created 20 years ago, i would also hate him in person.(though i don't normally use that as an excuse for not liking a wrestler, it's just adding to the reasons really)

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by legend Steve Austin was a great wrestler

[The Answer]

Originally Posted by TL I don't like his patriotic image, and as hbk said he is still living as the same character he created 20 years ago, i would also hate him in person.(though i don't normally use that as an excuse for not liking a wrestler, it's just adding to the reasons really)

Shawn created his character over 12 years ago and his gimmick right now makes less sense than Hogan's .The Heartbreak Kid at 35? Shawn is a great wrestler but come on. What's wrong with his patriotic image? Im not an American but if my kids one day take Hogan up as a hero I would be thrilled. Hogan>>>> jackasses on TV today.

[Loose Cannon]

Keep in mind, I don't hate Hogan

Originally Posted by The Answer I just want to know where all this resentment for Hogan stems from. Let's take a look at some of the excuses I have read on this board 1) Oh, man I thought this was Hogan's last match My answer: Hogan is as over now as he was 10 years ago as he is still a hero to so many and people will still pay to see him.

No, that's totally wrong. Hogan hasn't been over as a babyface since the early 90's really. Sure he gets pops when he comes back, but that's because he's been gone for so long. And because many fans just have a sentimental feeling towards him. He may spike numbers for 1 or 2 shows, but that doesn't mean he's over.

Originally Posted by The Answer 2) Hogan is to old he should retire My answer: Ric Flair I believe is older than Hogan and still wrestles and please don't tell me Flair is puts on 5 star matches right now. Last match I saw all he did was low blow and bite Angle pretty much the whole match. Hogan is also in better shape(besides the hip) than 3/4 of the roster.

Nobody here is saying Flair should still be wrestling. Hogan in better shape then 3/4 of the roster is laughable. All he does is punch, block, slam and leg drop. He couldn't keep up with 95% of the roster if they didn't have a "Hogan-esque" match.

Originally Posted by The Answer 3) I don't like this version of Hogan My answer: Hogan was over as a face and a heel and I bet plenty of you guys liked him as a heel. He may have been the best heel ever...

Why are you bringing up the past when we are talking about present Hogan? Again, Hogan hasn't been over or drawn as a face since the early 90's

Originally Posted by The Answer 4)Hogan can't wrestle for shit My answer: This is a true statement but it's not like Steve Austin was the most technical wrestler either.

LOL, funny you used Austin here because before Austin got hurt, he was one of the greatest technical wrestlers of all-time. Watch WCW Austin and you'll see. Hell, watch Bret/Austin and you'll see

Originally Posted by Answer 5) Hogan won't put the young guys over My answer: Hogan put Lesnar,Rock,Taker and Angle all over. Steve Austin quit WWE because he didn't want to job to Lesnar yet everyone has forgotten that.

No, you're misinterpreting the phrase "putting someone over" The book Death of WCW explains it real well and actually references Hogan and the wrong way to put someone over. I'll actually type up the section for you later on when I find the book. So hold this thought

Originally Posted by The Answer BTW without Hogan their would be no Steve Austin, Rock etc because without his exposure wrestling would never be as big as it is today. So is there anything else?

well, that's a real stretch.

[LK]

Originally Posted by The Answer I just want to know where all this resentment for Hogan stems from. Let's take a look at some of the excuses I have read on this board 1) Oh, man I thought this was Hogan's last match My answer: Hogan is as over now as he was 10 years ago as he is still a hero to so many and people will still pay to see him.

Ok well people literally hated Hogan 10 years ago but that's irrelevant. People are tired of the same old act. People don't want to see the same old no sell, punhc, big boot and leg drop. Shawn Michaels summed it up on Raw. It's just the same shit over and over and over

2) Hogan is to old he should retire My answer: Ric Flair I believe is older than Hogan and still wrestles and please don't tell me Flair is puts on 5 star matches right now. Last match I saw all he did was low blow and bite Angle pretty much the whole match. Hogan is also in better shape(besides the hip) than 3/4 of the roster.

I think Flair has had some decent matches in recent times but Flair doesn't usually wrestle and if he does he isn't a major factor. He doesn't get all this time to build up matches. As for better shape, you must be having a fucking laugh.

3) I don't like this version of Hogan My answer: Hogan was over as a face and a heel and I bet plenty of you guys liked him as a heel. He may have been the best heel ever...

Bullshit. If he was the greatest heel of all time people would have booed him when he came back to the WWE with the nWo. He was booed in WCW before he became a heel.

4)Hogan can't wrestle for shit My answer: This is a true statement but it's not like Steve Austin was the most technical wrestler either.

Austin was a fucking awesome wrestler but couldn't show it becaue of his character.

5) Hogan won't put the young guys over My answer: Hogan put Lesnar,Rock,Taker and Angle all over. Steve Austin quit WWE because he didn't want to job to Lesnar yet everyone has forgotten that.

You call Taker young? I would agree that he has put some people over in his last run but he also made Hassan and Daivari loook like shit as well as Carlito. And lets not start on the subject of how many careers he helped destroy.

BTW without Hogan their would be no Steve Austin, Rock etc because without his exposure wrestling would never be as big as it is today.

Debatable. Who's to say that someone else wouldn't have taken the character and made it work as well or better.

So is there anything else?

I think people are just sick of him. There is only so long it can be believable that he beats up younger, stronger, faster guys than him. There is only so long that people can tolerate watching the same old act over and over again.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by TL

you didn't watch WCW/ECW/WWF 96 Austin eathier I guess

[LK]

Originally Posted by The Answer Shawn created his character over 12 years ago and his gimmick right now makes less sense than Hogan's .The Heartbreak Kid at 35? Shawn is a great wrestler but come on. What's wrong with his patriotic image? Im not an American but if my kids one day take Hogan up as a hero I would be thrilled. Hogan>>>> jackasses on TV today.

Shawn has reinvented himself several times.

[Londoner]

Yeah but HBK reinvents himself in certain ways, Hogan only reinvented himself when he was in NWO.Look at HBK's character now compared to a few weeks ago, you can tell how he's changed. The amount of times people have talked about the 'old' hbk shows you he has reinvented himself. Do people say anything like that about Hogan?Don't think so.

[LK]

People that say Austin wasn't a good wrestler, watch WM 13 and come back and say it again.

[Loose Cannon]

The only person I'll argue Hogan put over is the Ultimate Warrior. Maybe Orndorff.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon you didn't watch WCW/ECW/WWF 96 Austin eathier I guess

I started watching in 2000, but i know he had an old gimmick which i can't remember the name of, which was more of a wrestling type gimmick wasn't it?

[McLegend]

He was the ringmaster when he first came to the WWE.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by legendkiller People that say Austin wasn't a good wrestler, watch WM 13 and come back and say it again.

He probably used to be a good wrestler, but having the brawler gimmick for ages means he probably isn't that good a wrestler anymore.

[Loose Cannon]

Yea, that was The Ringmaster and even before that though, he was the fucking man in the ring. If you get a chance to watch his old stuff (early 90's-96) you'll see a whole different Austin.

[LK]

Just watch his submission match with Bret at WM 13. He was Stone Cold Steve Austin back then as well. As someone that never saw him in WCW, I can't really comment but I have heard that he and Pillman were one of the finest teams and most underutilized teams in history.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by legend He was the ringmaster when he first came to the WWE.

I thought so.I didn't want to look stupid by guessing something that didn't sound right to me.

[Londoner]

Well i guess i'll have to wait and watch a previous match of his from back then and make my own judgement.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon The only person I'll argue Hogan put over is the Ultimate Warrior. Maybe Orndorff.

Goldberg.

[LK]

He and Nash killed Goldberg

[Corkscrewed]

I resent Hogan because:

- In real life, he's a selfish, greedy, egotistical fogie who doesn't earn the money he's paid
- He's a horrible wrestler and always has been, but the time where you could get over based on literally five moves is long past
- He takes up TV time from younger wrestlers who deserve it more
- He constantly teases a last match but always comes back
- He's not really that entertaining anymore
- He hogs the spotlight instead of really putting people over
- And despite all of this, HE ALWAYS COMES BACK

Kinda like malaria.



That's why I resent him, and I'll readily admit it's my opinion.

And yes, I loved him as a kid, but now that I know how he's like, it's affected my judgment. I mean, if JBL wasn't an asshole in real life, I'd list him as one of my favorite wrestlers ever.

[McLegend]

Anyway back on to Hogan

I don't hate Hogan, but I can see why people would hate him

He's old and does the same stuff everytime and has been doing the same stuff pretty much forever.

Also people don't hate Flair becasue he is hilarious and entertaining.

Also lol @ Hogan being in better shape then 1/2 the roster??? Come on just becasue you are a Hogan mark don't be a blind fool.

[Loose Cannon]

To Fox:

Why? Cause he lost a Title match on Nitro? That's not putting someone over. Where did Goldberg go after that? I seriously can't remember a great Goldberg moment after he won the Title. And the only thing I actually remember after that is Kevin Nash beating him and then Nash laying down for Hogan afterwards.

If Hogan wanted to put Goldberg over, he would of challenged him again and taken another 3 count from Goldberg or he would of done so in a big time feel match. Or he would of made Goldberg look like a million bucks before that.

Granted, Goldberg was already over anyway, but he sank right after that win due to the nWo getting most of the TV time. The whole Wolfpac/Hogan feud.

[Marcyo]

Originally Posted by Corkscrewed Kinda like malaria.

[The Answer]

Alright some valid points made. By physical shape I didn't mean agilty and ring endurance, I meant basically the pythons and his overall muscular look. It is true that Hogan has gotten predicatable in the ring but you have to understand that was never his IMO. Hogan in the early years was basically supposed to vanquish the heels by being over whelmed for most of the match and than "Hulk Up", boot and leg drop. You can consider him the Rocky of the wrestling buisness as he wasn't a technical wrestler but just had such a following of fans that the WWE rode the money making horse to the bank. BTW he did job to Taker when he first entered the WWE if you wan't to call that a job.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by Corkscrewed I resent Hogan because: - In real life, he's a selfish, greedy, egotistical fogie who doesn't earn the money he's paid - He's a horrible wrestler and always has been, but the time where you could get over based on literally five moves is long past - He takes up TV time from younger wrestlers who deserve it more - He constantly teases a last match but always comes back - He's not really that entertaining anymore - He hogs the spotlight instead of really putting people over - And despite all of this, HE ALWAYS COMES BACK Kinda like malaria. That's why I resent him, and I'll readily admit it's my opinion. .

That's basically all that needs to be said.

[LK]

Originally Posted by The Answer BTW he did job to Taker when he first entered the WWE if you wan't to call that a job.

See LC's point about Goldberg

[The Answer]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon To Fox: Why? Cause he lost a Title match on Nitro? That's not putting someone over. Where did Goldberg go after that? I seriously can't remember a great Goldberg moment after he won the Title. And the only thing I actually remember after that is Kevin Nash beating him and then Nash laying down for Hogan afterwards. If Hogan wanted to put Goldberg over, he would of challenged him again and taken another 3 count from Goldberg or he would of done so in a big time feel match. Or he would of made Goldberg look like a million bucks before that. Granted, Goldberg was already over anyway, but he sank right after that win due to the nWo getting most of the TV time. The whole Wolfpac/Hogan feud.

He put Sting over plenty of times...

[The Answer]

Originally Posted by legend Also lol @ Hogan being in better shape then 1/2 the roster??? Come on just becasue you are a Hogan mark don't be a blind fool.

Again like I explained in my last post I meant the pythons and the overall muscular look at 50.

[LK]

I don't think he did, although someone with more knowledge of WCW may be able to confirm that.

[SuperSlim]

all I'm going to say is back in teh 80s Hogan was somethin.

Now I could careless to see him anymore.

[The Answer]

Originally Posted by legendkiller I don't think he did, although someone with more knowledge of WCW may be able to confirm that.

He did put Sting(remembers Hart as referee at a title match). Hell even Luger won the title off of him in WCW.

[McLegend]

Originally Posted by The Answer He put Sting over plenty of times...

Come on starcade? You call that putting someone over

I like Hogan but even I can't admit that he put anyone over in WCW, because he didn't.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by The Answer Alright some valid points made. By physical shape I didn't mean agilty and ring endurance, I meant basically the pythons and his overall muscular look. It is true that Hogan has gotten predicatable in the ring but you have to understand that was never his IMO. Hogan in the early years was basically supposed to vanquish the heels by being over whelmed for most of the match and than "Hulk Up", boot and leg drop. You can consider him the Rocky of the wrestling buisness as he wasn't a technical wrestler but just had such a following of fans that the WWE raod the money making horse to the bank. BTW he did job to Taker when he first entered the WWE if you wan't to call that a job.

Yea, you're talking about the past again. We know he made a lot of money for Vince. That's a fact. We're talking about today's Hogan.

He did lose (job) to Taker, but he got the Title right back. Again, that's not putting someone over.

How did he put Sting over? I would argue Sting vs the entire nWo and Sting being the "savior" of WCW put him over. If Hogan would of taken a clean 3 at Starcade and then let Sting be the main focus of the shows afterwards for a long time, then I would say Hogan put him over. Didn't happen though.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by The Answer Again like I explained in my last post I meant the pythons and the overall muscular look at 50.

yea, steroids can do that.

[The Answer]

Originally Posted by Corkscrewed I resent Hogan because: - In real life, he's a selfish, greedy, egotistical fogie who doesn't earn the money he's paid - He's a horrible wrestler and always has been, but the time where you could get over based on literally five moves is long past - He takes up TV time from younger wrestlers who deserve it more - He constantly teases a last match but always comes back - He's not really that entertaining anymore - He hogs the spotlight instead of really putting people over - And despite all of this, HE ALWAYS COMES BACK

Well I could use at least three of those points on Steve Austin as well and im a semi- Austin fan. But he is a women beater who comes back time and time again and it is losing it's luster because he is also predictable. Stunner(s) and beer or vice versa

[McLegend]

A good amount of the internet now though don't like Austin.

So using Austin as an example would be a bad idea.

[LK]

Can someone who saw WCW enlighten me on the Starrcade match. I have heard that it was built up for over a year and when it finally came it was a fucking catastrophe.

[The Answer]

Originally Posted by legendkiller Can someone who saw WCW enlighten me on the Starrcade match. I have heard that it was built up for over a year and when it finally came it was a fucking catastrophe.

Basically the match was a catastrophe and Hogan tapped out to the scorpion deathlock with Bret Hart as the ref.