MLB 2005 Season Thread

[Loose Cannon]

he sure got an experience :lol:

[Innovator]

lol Why didn't they pull himHe was the last one in the bullpen

[The Miz]

They shoulda brought in some position player who was on the bench, what's the worst that could happen

[Adder]

Pinnella wants out of TBay, he won't quit so I think he's working on getting fired.

[toxic rooster]

God damn Dodgers

lol the other day I got woke up when dad chucked a spazz over that big innings Kansas City had

[BCWWF]

Kansas City is somehow real hot since they got the new manager.

Anyway, Pinella should be let out of Tampa Bay. They should either move the team or else move Crawford and Pinella out of there so they can matter on a real team.

[The Miz]

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[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nice Yanks lost to the D-Backs. Red Sox won

[The Miz]

Kenny Rogers just gave up 4 runs on 5 hits in the 1st inning against the Angels

Bye bye Rangers :wave:

[MVP]

Supposedly Eric Gagne won't be back until next year's All-Star game.

[The Miz]

Another Cy Young caliber pitcher ruined by the Dodgers staff. AWESOME

[SammyG]

:( :'( :rant: Damnit. Well, im glad the dodgers finally broke their losing streak tonight, but its gonna be tough without Gagne..

[RoXer]

Kotsay could be dealt. Rumors are to the Yankees or Cubs.

[BCWWF]

Yeah I've heard the Yankees getting Kotsay rumor

What pissed me off, on talk radio the other day they mentioned something that I never thought of. The Twins probably could have traded Kyle Lohse for Placido Polanco, which would have given us a legit No. 2 hitter with good defense. He is like exactly who we needed. We either need a 2B, SS, or 3B who can hit, because if Morneau is going to be a dumbass we aren't going to come back in the central.

[The Outlaw]

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lol yeah

[The Miz]

If the A's deal Kotsay to the Yanks they are pussies. All they are offering is 2 prospects, a guy who's hitting .230 in AA and an 18-year-old pitcher who is tearing up A. These guys could be huge busts, and the A's have enough prospects, they need major leaguers who are ready to play today, not in 2007 or 2008. Not worth trading their best player and one of the best defensive CF's in the last 5 years.

[BCWWF]

I agree, the other part is that I think Kotsay would be a really good addition for the Yankees, really help them a lot. With that said, I also thought that this years Yankees team would be the best since...maybe 98? Whichever one of those teams was the best.

[BCWWF]

This leads into another thing. The Oakland Athletics are really pretty big dumbshits when it all comes down to it. The reason they would be trading Kotsay is because he is a free agent after the year (or maybe he has one more year or something, but pretty sure this year). That is the reason that they can never be amazing, they run the same type of program as the Twins but they are too retarded to keep the good players. Why would you just wait until Miguel Tajada and Jason Giambi become free agents to resign them? The Twins made sure to get Torii Hunter and Johan Santana resigned before they became free agents, so they were still in our range. The A's could be the best team in baseball right now if they learned to resign their players before they became free agents.

[The Miz]

What the hell are you talking about? Tejada did not want an extension. He made it clear from quite some time that 2003 would be his last season in Oakland, regardless of what they offered him.

Jason Giambi
ROFL

And I'd hardly call the GM retarded, I'd say that the deals for 2 of the big 3 worked out quite nicely in Oakland's favor.

I agree about Kotsay though, he wants 3 years $27 million, I'd give it to him.

[BCWWF]

Come on. Jason Giambi was one of the best players in baseball when he was in Oakland. Developing great prospects can only get you so far, you have to keep the core guys if you ever want to win. Now the A's are set up to have a great group of prospects come up again, but by the time they get there the veterans will be gone. Starting with Kotsay, then Zito, just judging by history I would have to assume Chavez's time is limited. They just have to do something to keep their guys unless they just want to stay a farm team for the rest of the MLB.

[RoXer]

Chavez is locked up with a 7 year deal. I believe.

[BCWWF]

At least they got it right with one guy. But you can't be successful without keeping your guys.

[RoXer]

Yeah. I have a rant and rave about how they run the organization. But I'm sick of defending them every fuck time they do something like this. If they trade Kotsay, my head will be raw from the scratching.

[BCWWF]

I just wrote another rant about how the Twins keep good players and let the shit get huge contracts elsewhere, but I erased it so you wouldn't all hate me.

[OssMan]

went to the nationals game yesterday and gonna go to a Cubs or Sox game next week wooo

[The Miz]

Watch out for the ground crew's hose

[YOUR Hero]

Considering the Yankees need a CF, I would expect the A's could garner more than what's being discussed.

[The Miz]

The Yankees have a shitty farm system. They are offering their best 2 prospects for Kotsay. Duncan is Adam Dunn part 2 and will be in the majors next year with someone, and Hughes is an 18-year old with a history of injuries but dominated A-ball. The Yankees have no prospects to offer past these 2, and there is no one on the MLB team who the A's want because they are all old, slow, and overpaid. The A's are set in the infield for the next 5 years with Chavez, Crosby, Scutaro, and Johnson. They do however need outfielders and Matsui, Sheffield, and Williams are not going anywhere and the A's wouldn't want them anyway.

I don't see the A's shipping Kotsay at the deadline unless it is 100% that the A's cannot resign him. If they trade him, they can forget about being the AL west favorites in 2006. Eric Chavez has proven he cannot lead a team and Bobby Crosby is not Miguel Tejada; yet. Kotsay is "the guy" in Oakland, period.

If the Mariners were smart they would try to ship Randy Winn for pitching (Wang, Stanton, i dunno) because Jeremy Reed > your mother. Winn is not a long term solution but they'll get a hell of a lot more production out of him than Bernie Washup and Tony Womack.

[YOUR Hero]

Oakland can ask for Wang as well, don't you see.

[The Miz]

The Yankees have said they are not going to trade their young guys, Wang and Cano. Nobody wants their old guys. Whoops.

[The Miz]

And even if the Yankees were offering Wang, the last thing Oakland needs is starting pitching.

Rich Harden
Barry Zito
Danny Haren
Joe Blanton
Kirk Saarloos
Dan Meyer
John Rheineicker
Ryan Glynn

With the exception of Glynn, all of these guys have much more potential than Wang. They're set through 08.

[Loose Cannon]

why do you hate on the Yankees so much. I mean you're team is terrible and hasn't won anything ever. I don't get it.

[Loose Cannon]

I guess it's just easy to talk shit about the Yankees. Cause god knows everyone else does.

[The Miz]

Where did I say the Yankees sucked, all I said was they have nothing to offer. But on the subject, my team sucks but all we have is a skinny Chinaman and .230 home run hitters. You have an all-star team and still are in 4th place.

[Loose Cannon]

You never said they sucked, but every thread that mentions the Yankees, you make some sarcastic comment about them. I mean, that's fine and all, but it's pretty dumb when your favorite team is doing just as bad.

[The Miz]

It's not like I pull a BCWWF and pretend the Mariners are good. I know they are awful, i give them much more shit than I do the Yankees. I'd say its safe to say a 220 million dollar all-star team should be better than .500. Both the Mariners and Yankees are underachieving but the Yankees have much more considering their pieces.

[Loose Cannon]

alright, I'll give you that.

[RoXer]

From yahoo...

Jun 26 Kotsay is believed to be seeking a two-year extension at the same $7 million per season to remian with the A's, the San Francisco Chronicle reports.
Recommendation: That's a contract the A's would figure to be interested in. No official numbers have been discussed as yet however


Also, our outfield isn't too terrible. Brynes and Swisher is there too. Have you seen what Swisher can do (when he can do it). The problem is they are both in some slumps or are either injured at the same time.

We sure as hell don't need a 2nd baseman. We have Scuturo, Ellis, and Ginter.

I think the A's have a highly underrated defense. The offense is another story.

[The Miz]

That's surprising because I heard he wanted more money on his extention but I think he's currently making around 7 mil.

Anyway, even though their outfield isn't horrible, it could be much better and it has no depth. Byrnes makes web gems every time he's out there but that doesn't make his defense not horrible. Weak arm, dives for balls he has no shot at, misses cutoffs, not sound fundamentally. The polar opposite of Mark Kotsay. There is like a 99% chance he will be gone next year anyway with Barton, Cust and (maybe) Ethier big-league ready next year.

Yeah you have 3 second baseman but they're all expendable. Ellis is just an okay hitter, Scutaro is just an okay fielder, and Ginter is the worst player in the history of mjaor league baseball. Not really, but he won't be on the team for long. Beane would not hesitate to unload Ellis for a reliever, considering you'd still have Scutaro and Quintanilla coming up soon.

The A's defense is excellent, and I think they will be a much stronger offensive team next year. I like them to win the West next year if Kotsay stays. If Kotsay goes they could be in last.

[RoXer]

Yeah you have 3 second baseman but they're all expendable. Ellis is just an okay hitter, Scutaro is just an okay fielder, and Ginter is the worst player in the history of mjaor league baseball. Not really, but he won't be on the team for long. Beane would not hesitate to unload Ellis for a reliever, considering you'd still have Scutaro and Quintanilla coming up soon.



Yeah, wtf with Ginter. On my MVP 05 Owner mode he's doing decent. I wish video games were real life.

Isn't Cust an infielder?

And I have Quintanilla's autograph. I'm surprised you've even heard of him. He was a non-roster player in the spring. Either you keep up to date, or you just went to some depth chart website. Either way, I don't mind.

[RoXer]

PS, also in my owner mode, Charles Johnson is like the A's equivelent of Tony Clark. He's on an insane hitting streak.

[YOUR Hero]

And even if the Yankees were offering Wang, the last thing Oakland needs is starting pitching.

Rich Harden
Barry Zito
Danny Haren
Joe Blanton
Kirk Saarloos
Dan Meyer
John Rheineicker
Ryan Glynn

With the exception of Glynn, all of these guys have much more potential than Wang. They're set through 08.
Everyone always needs more pitching. A's have always gone deep in that catergory.

[The Miz]

Cust is a 1B/OF but they are loaded at 1B so he will probably spend more time in OF. I see him DHing most of the time though.

Nah I keep up to date with Mariners and A's. I know alot more about Mariners stuff but A's are second fave team so yeah. Check out these sites if you dont already

http://as-future.blogspot.com/
http://www.athleticsnation.com/

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[MVP]

It's not like I pull a BCWWF and pretend the Mariners are good.
LMAO

[MVP]

Apparently Eric Gagne doesn't need surgery, but is still out til Spring Training.

[The Miz]

Everyone always needs more pitching. A's have always gone deep in that catergory.
Why Wang? It's not like he's Mark Prior or some amazing pitching prospect. Every starter on the A's staff is better than Wang and they have at least 2 AAA guys that are better. Not only better, but younger. Wang is like 26. Not that that's old, but A's have much better pitchers that are 24 and younger. Wang is MLB-ready now and there's no place in the rotation for him. Oakland have 8 people to fill 5 spots in 2006, there is no need for a 9th who has no shot anyway. Wang and 2 hitting prospects is still not worth Kotsay.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Red Sox actually have a real good prospect whos open to be dealt, Schopick, Triple A catcher. He will probably be good enough for the majors real soon but there is no place on the roster for him. So I would have no problem with him getting dealt - especially if they can somehow get Schedmit with him. I don't see that happening though. I would pretty pissed if they traded Hanley Ramirez - I have been hearing about this guy for a while. He is the Red Sox top prospect right now with Youkilis on the MLB roster fulltime. I've been hearing that Hanley has been playing some outfield - that might become important with Damon being a free agent after this season, also it makes sense because Hanleys 1st position (SS) is locked up for atleast the next 4 years with Renteria. I would hate to see Damon go but it will be tough to keep him due to Boras being his agent plus the fact that Damon has said he wants to return only if the group of the guys they got now stay together. Damon wants guys like Bellhorn and Millar around but who knows if thats going to happen with the way they have been performing.

I know that was pretty random but all this talk about prospects woooop

[YOUR Hero]

You brought up Wang, I was using him as your example. You've taken me too literal.

[The Miz]

Wang and Hughes are the only pitchers the Yankees can offer. Not enough for Kotsay.

[The Miz]

Red Sox actually have a real good prospect whos open to be dealt, Schopick, Triple A catcher. He will probably be good enough for the majors real soon but there is no place on the roster for him. So I would have no problem with him getting dealt - especially if they can somehow get Schedmit with him. I don't see that happening though. I would pretty pissed if they traded Hanley Ramirez - I have been hearing about this guy for a while. He is the Red Sox top prospect right now with Youkilis on the MLB roster fulltime. I've been hearing that Hanley has been playing some outfield - that might become important with Damon being a free agent after this season, also it makes sense because Hanleys 1st position (SS) is locked up for atleast the next 4 years with Renteria. I would hate to see Damon go but it will be tough to keep him due to Boras being his agent plus the fact that Damon has said he wants to return only if the group of the guys they got now stay together. Damon wants guys like Bellhorn and Millar around but who knows if thats going to happen with the way they have been performing.

I know that was pretty random but all this talk about prospects woooop
I heard like a week ago that the Red Sox were interested in Kotsay because they were anticipating Damon leaving. That would work better for Oakland because Boston actually has something to offer to them. I doubt it though, Red Sox seem to be "interested" in every player the Yankees are interested in.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah after the season I could see something like that going down. I am just hoping they don't trade H. Ramirez - I got a feeling he's gonna be sick.

Red Sox also have OF Jay Payton on the trading block since he wants to be an everyday player. Heard on the radio nobody is really that intrested in him though.

[BCWWF]

I think Miz is more of an Oakland fan then I thought.

Anyway, Miz, I was watching Sports Center the other night and they were going over the possible players to be traded in the baseball deadline, and I remember they got to Winn. The Mariners rejected a trade for Winn, and I remember being really shocked. Do you know who I might be talking about? I want to say that it might be Wang or something. Anyway, he should be the most expendable player on the block. Well not really, but if the M's get an offer for him thats legit, theres really not much reason to reject is there?

[BCWWF]

I heard like a week ago that the Red Sox were interested in Kotsay because they were anticipating Damon leaving. That would work better for Oakland because Boston actually has something to offer to them. I doubt it though, Red Sox seem to be "interested" in every player the Yankees are interested in.
Damon is one of those guys that I would be shocked to see leave the Red Sox. Really, what reason would he have to go anywhere else?

Also, I read on Insider that Manny Ramirez is planning to retire after his contract runs out in 2008, but they are still looking to dump him now any way they can. Whats the deal behind that?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You sure that Insider article about Manny wasn't from 2 years ago? haha

I haven't heard one thing about Manny "getting dumped" why would they? He is fucking unreal and his attitude has improved a lot from when they were going to dump him before.

[The Miz]

Yeah Winn is expendable. Jeremy Reed is the fucking man in center and we can move Raul Ibanez from DH to left. We need pitching desperately, we still have bums like Gil Meche in our rotation. Gross.

[The Miz]

Saw this rumor in the paper

Yankees get:
Mike Cameron
Miguel Cairo

Mets get:
Gary Sheffield

Prolly not gonna happen cause they won't trade Sheff but I actually like this deal for the Yanks and the Mets are trying to break the record for having the most MVP-caliber players and still being shitty so this would work for them.

[Evil Vito]

Saw this rumor in the paper

Yankees get:
Mike Cameron
Miguel Cairo

Mets get:
Gary Sheffield

Prolly not gonna happen cause they won't trade Sheff but I actually like this deal for the Yanks and the Mets are trying to break the record for having the most MVP-caliber players and still being shitty so this would work for them.

<font color=goldenrod>Ordinarily I would say "fuck that, Mets need to get younger"....but I think Sheffield is far too good to pass up.

Won't happen though, as Sheffield has reportedly said he won't go anywhere.</font>

[YOUR Hero]

Sheff got pretty pissed over this.

[Loose Cannon]

fuck that trade. I dunno why we need a center feilder. They're doing fine. It's the pitching that's terrible right now.

[YOUR Hero]

Yankees aren't fine at CF, LC.

[Loose Cannon]

are they doing that bad? I can't watch most of the games cause I'm in North Carolina, but what I'm seeing is 8-6, 10-5, 7-5 ball games all the time. It's like the Yakees have to score seven runs a game all the time to win. Johnson and Brown are hurt. Pavano and Mussina are streaky and we have no 5th starter really. Middle relief is shakey. Pitching is terrible.

[The Miz]

Bernie is old and washed up and is incapable of playing everyday. It'd be one thing if he was at least playing defense but he is just as bad in the field as he is at the plate. Womack is not an outfielder or a bottom of the lineup guy which is why he is struggling so bad. Matsui is an okay LF but lacks the range and arm to be a CF.

Pitching is part of the problem, yes, but the defense is awful. Giambi and Williams are jokes and Cano, Posada, and Matsui aren't exactly gold glovers.

[Loose Cannon]

point I'm trying to make is getting a decent center feilder really ain't going to help us that much right now. If we could get Kotsay, yea that would be great. But Kotsay can't prevent the other team from scoring runs all the time.

[The Miz]

I think you underestimate Kotsay. He is the most fundamentally sound outfielder in baseball, he might not make he Andruw Jones web gems but he is the most reliable defender is baseball. He gets better jumps on balls than anyone else and has a fucking cannon arm. He is not among the league leaders in assists because nobody even thinks about running on him. And at this stage in his career he's a much better hitter than Bernie. Obviously he can't help the pitching but if he comes to the Yankees and has a hot first few weeks the team will start to play better as a whole and gel. Look what happened to the Red Sox last year, they had alot of great players but they weren't playing well in June and were losing ground on the Yankees. They make a huge deal to bring in a great defensive player and a good hitter and look how it worked out for them.

[The Miz]

lol @ Kenny Rogers by the way. The Rangers are a huge joke

[Loose Cannon]

I'm not underestimating Kotsay at all. I love Kotsay and I know how awesome he is. Great defender and hitter. But we got 5 starting pitchers, none who are doing a fantastic job right now. The Sox at least had Schilling and Pedro out there, who had people thinking automatic win the day they threw. With the Yankee pitching staff, it's like, so who's gonna show up today. The guy who is capale of pitching a complete game or the guy who gives up 6 runs within the first 3 innings. Having pitching like that can kill the morale of teams.

Kotsay is only one position and has no control over balls going over walls or balls getting hit down left, down right, up the middle. They're sill hits no matter what. Yea, he's way better then Bernie and can probably chase down a few balls and throw a few more people out, but I just don't see him solving all the problems. I really think it starts with pitching. When you have guys putting 0's up through 7 or giving up 1 or 2 runs, then the team feels more comfortable.

Just my opinion, but we'll see what they do.

[The Miz]

I agree completely that they need pitching, but I think more pitching alone won't help them make the playoffs. Pitching + defense is key.

[The Miz]

And why not trade Sheffield? It's not like they aren't gonna score any runs without him in the lineup. They're gonna score 6-8 every night regardless, so why not trade him for some pitching? I'm sure a team like the Cubs or Orioles or soembody who's trrying to stay in the race would love to have him and be willing to sacrifice starting pitching.

[Loose Cannon]

yea, pitching + defense does win ball games. Unfortunately he Yankees need both and I don't think they can trade for both.

I would trade Sheff in a second for a good pitcher. It was the Cameron deal that I wouldn't go for at all.

[Dragon]

Yeah, the Sheffield deal wouldn't really solve any problems because they would be getting a good center fielder and then they are out a right fielder. I'm sure they would have Womack move again to right or something but it wouldn't really make much sense. I know they have Sierra too but I can't see him being played every day.

[YOUR Hero]

6 in a row for Oakland.

[MVP]

In theory the Yankees should have the best pitching in the league, but it's been the opposite all year. I think getting a good second or thrid starter would shape up their bullpen a little bit, and work on defense gradually. Kotsay is the best bet for a CF, but I wouldn't trade Sheffield. He helps being in those few extra runs. If Steinbrenner was smart he'd look at some possible 1B players in a few years.

[The Miz]

It will end at 6. Cyan Franklin goes for the M's tomorrow

[BCWWF]

Yeah I don't understand the Sheffield trade on the Yankees part. Sheffield is one of their guys who is actually playing good, why trade him for Mike Cameron? Cameron is half the player Sheffield is.

[Dragon]

I've read that Stanton and Quantrill are gone for the Yankees. Either released or going to be traded.

[YOUR Hero]

*Ryan

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Cameron's defense is sick - that's why. Last year Red Sox traded a bat (Nomar) for defense (Caberia) and it worked out pretty good.

Except I wish they kept Caberia instead of getting Renteria but what can you do. Everyone has been telling how great Renteria is suppose to be, he's not bad but hes been pretty average so far - he has a shitload of errors too.

[YOUR Hero]

Caberera would have been the better of the two, IMO.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I agree. Caberia wanted a 4 year deal - Red Sox said they didn't want to do that becuase they didn't want to lock up the shortstop spot for that long because of Hanley Ramirez. Now they got Renteria there for 4 years @ 40 mil. I don't know, I guess they thought Renteria was "too good to pass up" - So far he has been a dissapointment. Both middle infielders have been pretty bad this year though, Renteria and Bellhorn both aren't playing as good as last season. Although Bellhorn hit a homer yesterday so maybe he'll turn it around.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why doesn't Womack just play 2nd though? Cano sucks at defense, atleast when I saw them play the Mets - he looked lost out there.

[BCWWF]

I wonder if the Twins will make a run at Kenny Rogers now? On one of those shows I was just watching they said that Kenny wants an extension, and after all of this he probably won't get one, and since Texas is pretty much already done they might as well give him to a contender? I dunno, I'd probably part with Lohse and somebody else to have Kenny back.

[The Miz]

Texas never thinks they're done until they're mathematically eliminated

[The Miz]

Beltre with 3 errors today to go along with his .230 average and 6 homers. $11.4 million and worth every penny.

[RoXer]

Fucking A's! :D

[RoXer]

Lets see how good things go against the Sox though.

[BCWWF]

It was pretty obvious that Beltre wasn't going to continue where he left off last year though

[MVP]

Beltre's off the roids this year.

[The Miz]

Blind accusations are cool

[BCWWF]

Ichiro is off the coke

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Beltre should have stayed in LA and kept what he had going last year. Change of leagues/team probably messed up his flow now he is garbage.

[The Miz]

Ichiros' slugging % is higher than Beltre's and they have the same amlunt of homers.

Seeya in 20 games Kenny!

[The Miz]

Check out the Rangers awesome pitching staff for the next month

1. Chris Young
2. Chan Ho Park
3. Ricardo Rodriguez
4. Ryan Drese
5. John Wasdin

Where are those jokers that said Texas was gonna win the west/wildcard now? But they have the best infield in baseball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Loose Cannon]

10-2 Detroit. See what I mean.

[Loose Cannon]

god, we have like no pitching what so ever.

[BCWWF]

That better not be Randy losing. I started him today

[Innovator]

oh yeah he lost

[The Miz]

God Jose Contreras sucks. 7 walks in less than 5 innings

[RoXer]

Jason Repko just made an amazing catch. Seriously, check out sportscenter tonight.

And at the moment, Brenneman is telling a story about how the coach is saying Repko might be one of the top defensive OFs in the league. :meh: I haven't seen enough of him yet though so I don't know.

Seriously, good catch.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Sox fucking hammered tonight. 15-1 ridiculous

I think Damon kept his hitting streak going though

[RoXer]

A's > ChiSox


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[RoXer]

Not yet though, I might have jinxed it.

[The Miz]

This game is all but over, unless Macha puts some dickhead like Glynn in for the 9th. If Street goes out there book it

[RoXer]

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[The Miz]

Book it. 10 strikes, 0 balls, 2 k's. Street = next Rivera/Gagne

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah he'll be winning championships with another team in a few years

[DaveWadding]

Check out the Rangers awesome pitching staff for the next month

1. Chris Young
2. Chan Ho Park
3. Ricardo Rodriguez
4. Ryan Drese
5. John Wasdin

Where are those jokers that said Texas was gonna win the west/wildcard now? But they have the best infield in baseball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They dont even have Drese anymore, the Nats picked him up off waivers I think.

[The Miz]

Oh yeah forgot about that. My b.

1. Chris Young
2. Chan Ho Park
3. Ricardo Rodriguez
4. John Wasdin
5. CJ Wilson

EVEN BETTER

[BCWWF]

Granted though, Rogers will only miss probably 4 starts

[The Miz]

Rogers always fades in the second half. With him or without him the Rangers suck.

[RoXer]

And now Gonzo made a great catch today. Wonder what we'll see tomorrow.

[RoXer]

Yeah he'll be winning championships with another team in a few years

Probly. :(

[MoRcHeEbA]

lol the Jays pretty much have owned the red sox all year... too bad they can't beat teams like Tampa when it counts.

[The Miz]

:o

Bye Bye Booney :(

[Loose Cannon]

well fuck me, the Yankees won a game 1-0. how in the world did they manage that?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol the Jays pretty much have owned the red sox all year... too bad they can't beat teams like Tampa when it counts.
It's fucking ridiculous. I think the same thing happened a few years ago with Tampa Bay too.

I was hoping the Sox would win the series 2-1 since I knew Halladay was pitching one of the games. Can somebody get this guy outta the basement? He's fucking nasty

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

How about this trade. Alan Embree for Roy Halladay.

Embree's 8.05 ERA is real impressive isn't it??

[MoRcHeEbA]

how is he in the basement when his team is only 5 back of your leading team?

[RoXer]

A's took 2 of 3 from the ChiSox.

[The Outlaw]

how is he in the basement when his team is only 5 back of your leading team?
Give it time. ;)

[The Outlaw]

lol


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[ddpBANG]

The Pac NW will miss you Bret.

#29 for life!

[Loose Cannon]

Sheff just jacked one.

3-0 Yanks

[Loose Cannon]

Matsui almost hit one out of the Stadium

[The Miz]

Off of Cy Young candidate Bruce Chen.

lol @ Sosa though. I bet he drops under Mendoza by season's end.

[Loose Cannon]

uh oh. GIMABI JUST BLASTED ONE.

[Loose Cannon]

What female could do that Miz?

[Loose Cannon]

probably Mia Hamm

[The Miz]

What is he up to now, 4?

[Loose Cannon]

6 :roll:

[Loose Cannon]

wow, worse base running I've ever seen in my life Womack

[Loose Cannon]

except for Eric Byrnes :lol:

[The Miz]

lol yeah dumbass A's, blew a 2-0 lead on the Red Sox

:shifty:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

how is he in the basement when his team is only 5 back of your leading team?When maybe not the basement because the Devil Rays suck but they will be pretty close by seasons end.

And has Halladay once pitched for one season? Where did they finish up last year when he was pitching nasty? Like I said get this guy on a contender. I feel bad for him.

[MoRcHeEbA]

he was injured half the year last year :p and in the next couple years the jays will contend. Once they get rid of Hinske and his 260 strike outs per year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Alan Embree (and his 8.05 ERA) for Roy Halladay

[Boomer]

The Braves got rid of J.D. Drew before yet another freak injury. We sure could use him though.

[Loose Cannon]

well, here we go. Right on schedule for the Yankees pitching staff to blow another game.

[Loose Cannon]

I mean, can we get at least one decent pitcher. That's all I'm asking.

[Boomer]

We'll give you Dan Kolb for free.

[The Outlaw]

We'll give you Dan Kolb for free.
Or throw in Gary Sheffield. You bunch of thieves. :(

[The Miz]

Nice job Yankee pitching

[Loose Cannon]

god dammit. fuck. again. screw this shit. They need to start unloading a bunch of these "all star" guys and trade them for young pitchers and players that are good. They can't go through the next 4 years like this.

[Boomer]

As long as The Boss is The Boss, he can blame it on everyone else.

[Loose Cannon]

but what I'm seeing is 8-6, 10-5, 7-5 ball games all the time. It's like the Yakees have to score seven runs a game all the time to win.

:mad:

[Loose Cannon]

We need Billy Bean to take charge right now.

[The Outlaw]

lol

[Boomer]

I swear if the Natspos win another one run game I'm gonna be really pissed off.

[The Miz]

Check out some of the younger players the Yankees would've had had they not traded them away for players past their prime

Alfonso Soriano
Jose Contreras
Marcus Thames
Brandon Claussen
Yhency Brazoban
Jeff Weaver
Nick Johnson
Juan Rivera
Ted Lilly
D'Angelo Jiminez

Not that all of these guys are much better than whats on the field right now, but the Yanks could sure use a few of them right now

[The Miz]

I was just thinking about it, and the Kevin Brown trade was like the worst trade ever

[Boomer]

HAVE IT NATSSSSSS

[Loose Cannon]

woah, Giambi for another

[The Miz]

He's catching up to Ichiro :rofl:

[The Outlaw]

lol

[Loose Cannon]

Mariners really need a win tonight. Not that they're in contention or anything. Just so they can

win one for Booney :(

[The Miz]

What the hell is wrong with Keith Foulke

[MVP]

WTF, how many blown saves does he have after tonight? :mad:

[The Miz]

at least 6

[Boomer]

Dan Kolb is still up for sale.

[BCWWF]

A's took 2 of 3 from the ChiSox.
It will start soon enough.

[Dragon]

Yankees are up 10-0 in the 4th.

Pretty ridiculous, the starter for the Orioles gave up 10 runs, 1 earned.

[The Miz]

lol yeah wtf, every pitch Lopez threw was a belt high 92 mph fastball. Meat

[BCWWF]

You can't hit the ball without swinging the bat. Meat.

[RoXer]

Kuip, when the cutters coming over the plate, the batter has no CHANCE at that pitch.


I heard that like 5 times in a row one game.

[RoXer]

Kotsay, Oakland's center fielder, made a spectacular play in the bottom of the 11th when he faked as if he was going to catch Gabe Gross' blooper before letting it drop. He then flipped the ball from his glove to his hand and forced out Russ Adams at second.

``That's one of the best plays I've ever seen,'' Macha said. ``What a play. And clutch. It could have been first and second and nobody out. That's why people who don't see this guy everyday don't appreciate what he does. That won the ball game.''

:D fivehunderedddddddddddddd

[The Miz]

God Macha is such a stupid dickhead it's unbelievable. Hatteberg bailed you guys out but Macha made 9829862 stupid decisions

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Timlin was 1-2-3 in the Ninth tonight. Helped by a great catch from Damon.

Foulkes days as closer might be numbered..You know its going to be all over the talkshows tomorrow

[BCWWF]

Oh my god, you should have seen the strike zone while Shields and F-Rod pitched tonight. The beginning of the game was rediculously slow, but it was like a high school ump at a Babe Ruth game.

[The Outlaw]

Schilling to closer? :|

[BCWWF]

Saw that too, it just might work

[YOUR Hero]

Kotsay, Oakland's center fielder, made a spectacular play in the bottom of the 11th when he faked as if he was going to catch Gabe Gross' blooper before letting it drop. He then flipped the ball from his glove to his hand and forced out Russ Adams at second.

``That's one of the best plays I've ever seen,'' Macha said. ``What a play. And clutch. It could have been first and second and nobody out. That's why people who don't see this guy everyday don't appreciate what he does. That won the ball game.''

:D fivehunderedddddddddddddd
WTF?

He didn't fake catching the ball, in fact he just missed catching it and because it was so close, Russ Adams was caught in no man's land. Jesus Christ, I watched that game. Someone is gay for Kotsay

[YOUR Hero]

Sox: Schilling to pitch out of bullpen



BOSTON (AP) - With their struggling closer on the disabled list and their ace at partial strength, the Boston Red Sox are sending Curt Schilling to the bullpen to plug a gap there and help him work his way back from an ankle injury.

"It's definitely the best thing for him," Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein said Wednesday, " ... and it just so happens to be exactly what the team needs right now."

rest of the story (http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?id=129761)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't think Schilling with close. Timlin is actually a closer, I think they will just keep using him. He has like 119 career saves.

[The Outlaw]

I could see him doing it though. Be pretty crazy.

[BCWWF]

Yeah I agree with Outlaw, I could see him being a real good closer. They might as well try it, as it sounds like they are, and then if it works out you have Timlin and Foulke able to go earlier in the games. I'm interested to see how it turns out.

[RoXer]

Cards win on a suicide squeeze.

[MVP]

Schilling will be a great closer. At this point I don't think it's a serious blow to the starters if he goes to the bullpen.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL Wow. crazy day. Jay Payton basically kicked off the team, Vaquez traded for Cora. Plus a few players benched for speaking out againest Schilling in the pen. Crazy Red Sox lineup for a 6 inning game.

[Dragon]

Only 3.5 back now.

Giambi with another homerun today too.

[Dragon]

Yankees only have three starters right now though, not sure who's going to fill in for Pavano. I really can't see Sturtze going again.

[The Outlaw]

Giambi is on a roll. :eek:

[YOUR Hero]

Halladay got hit last night on the shin. Dammit. That was a terrible game to watch as a Jays fan. Not only him getting hurt, but the terrible defence by the Jays (hurry back O Dog) and their inability to mount any offence past the second inning.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Fucking great defense by the O's today. Ortiz got robbed of a 3 run homerun by Matos and like 4 other great plays by them today.

[The Miz]

A's sign OF Mark Kotsay to a 3-year extension.

Don't work Yankees, you got a guy who hit .267 in AA now

[Dragon]

Yeah, some great plays by the Orioles today. I saw two great ones by Matos, one robbing Ortiz and then one diving one, and then one by Roberts where he went behind second to make a play.

The Yankees have Darrell May pitching today, I heard he was doing pretty awful before coming to NY. I dunno, I guess we will see.

[MoRcHeEbA]

Halladay is out for a month with a fractured shin bone.

[Loose Cannon]

god dammit. 5-2 Indians. gonna need 10 runs here.

[Dragon]

Yeah, he's pitched almost 100 pitches already.

[Loose Cannon]

7-6 now. I hate not being able to watch the games :(

[OssMan]

ALRIGHT DANNY GRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[YOUR Hero]

Huge 7 run ninth inning by the Jays last night :cool:

Too bad they needed 9 just to tie. :'(

(lost 12-10)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

ALRIGHT DANNY GRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[BCWWF]

Weird, the Twins and Royals are wearing retro uniforms today. I have no idea what the Twins uni's are, they say STPG, but I'm not sure who that would be. Back in the day we had the St. Paul Saints and the Minneapolis Millers (farm teams of the Dodgers and Giants I think). I don't think this is either of them though.

[Loose Cannon]

Sounds like a negro league tribute thing. St. Paul Gophers were from Minnie in the early 1900's.

[The Miz]

St. Paul Colored Gophers, negro leagues

[Loose Cannon]

Giambi with another. On fire

[Loose Cannon]

Giambi with another today. On fire

[RoXer]

If the A's somehow make it past the Angels for the AL west and meet the ChiSox in the playoffs, I have no fear.

[YOUR Hero]

Jays rally in the 9th again today... only to loose.


Texas :mad:

[BCWWF]

My predictions for the AL playoffs, as of right now:

White Sox
Red Sox
Red Sox win pretty easilly, lose maybe one game

Angels
Twins
Good series, obviously I am going to say Twins, but thats just me.

Anyway, I'd be pretty surprised if the Red Sox and Cards don't meet in the World Series again.

[The Miz]

Sorry Roxer but the AL West race is over. A's still have a shot at the wild card but I see the Yankees and Twins having better second halves.

[RoXer]

IF

Yeah, I don't see them toppling the Angels either but IF.

And I doubt they'll take the wild card.

[Innovator]

AL East is gonna be interesting for the 2nd half

[BCWWF]

The AL East is all fucked up now. The Red Sox are sputtering for no reason, the Yankees are randomly surging, and the Orioles are just sitting right in the middle. In the end, I think the Red Sox are the most complete and most together team, so I predict them coming out of there.

[The Miz]

Boston gets:
RP Chad Bradford

Oakland gets:
OF Jay Payton

Great trade for the Red Sox, their pen sucks and Bradford kills righties. And Payton is pretty much useless for them. Oakland is apparently going to either immediately trade Payton to the Rockies or Yankees; or trade Eric Byrnes somewhere, maybe the Giants. I think trading Byrnes is stupid, but if they can get a quality reliever or a RH bat for Payton they should do it.

[BCWWF]

Yeah I'm a fan of Byrnes too, I would hope they keep him in Oakland.

[RoXer]

Hmmm. Isn't Bradford still on the DL? Too lazy to check.

[The Miz]

He's making rehab appearances in AAA. With Street Duke Calero and Yabu they're pretty much set for righty relief.

[The Miz]

Booney signed with the Twins. :love:

Thank god he signed with somebody who I don't hate. If he would've signed with the Rangers or Yankees or somebody I would've choked myself.

[RoXer]

Boone to the Twins for cash and a player to be named later I think.

[BCWWF]

I think Boone might fit in pretty well here. Hopefully at least. His glove will be a big addition as well. I'm interested to see how it turns out. The Twins still need to do more though.

[Loose Cannon]

Awesome segment on Baseball Tonight. I hope they show it again later so I can tape it. Basically they highlighted some ofl the great defensive players of all-time and showed some what would of been considered web gems before there was a "web gem" segment.

I like how they mentioed a few 1900 guys like Wagner and Speaker.

[The Miz]

Rockies get:
Eric Byrnes
minor leaguer

A's get:
Joe Kennedy
Jay Witasick

Damn. I'll miss Byrnes. Shitty trade for the A's

[The Miz]

Although Eric Byrnes will be a fucking star in Denver

[RoXer]

:(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Good player but I hated watching him all the time. I couldnt stand watching him catch shit he shouldn't have againest the Red Sox. Glad he's in the NL now haha

[RoXer]

What "minor leaguer" The Miz?

[RoXer]

Wish the D-Backs would have went after him in the off-season.

[RoXer]

FIGURES! I have Byrnes and Quintinella's autograph on the same ball.

[BCWWF]

I guess you can't really take forgranted the player to be named. In trading AJ Pierzynski to the Giants two years ago, the player to be names was Francisco Lariano, who is apparently better then Santana at this point in his career.

[The Miz]

Byrnes makes web gems almost every time he plays the field but he is pretty shitty defensively. The reason he has to dive is because he gets horrible jumps and he takes horrible routes to balls. But he was alot of fun to watch even though he was a moron. Colorado will be a better suit for him, he really didn't play "A's style" baseball. I expect him to hit about .310 with 30 homers and 30 steals next year

[The Miz]

I just realized Oakland has now gotten rid of all the guys that either choked or did something really stupid in the playoffs. Byrnes, Tejada, Jeremy Giambi, Terrance Long, Mark Mulder

[BCWWF]

The Miz, A's or M's?

[Dragon]

Damn, Yankees put Wang on the DL. Basically down to Mussina and Johnson now in the starting rotation.

[CNM]

I like the Byrnes trade for the Rockies. Apparently Quintanilla is a pretty good prospect.

[The Miz]

The Miz, A's or M's?
M's. I root for Seattle against everyone. I root for Oakland against everyone except Seattle

[The Miz]

I like the Byrnes trade for the Rockies. Apparently Quintanilla is a pretty good prospect.
Yeah but Quintinilla is a 2B and they already have Barmes, they really needing pitching which Oakland's farms are deep in. I like the pick up of Byrnes though. Now that the old guys are gone the Rockies should be fun to watch with Barmes, Byrnes, Holliday and crew

[Loose Cannon]

haha, I'm the same. Just replace the Yanks with the M's. I have an A's sweatshirt I wear all the time.

I like the A's so much because they're just a bunch of young guys having fun. I remember back like two years ago, they did a segment on ESPN with Zito, Mulder, Chavez and one of the relief guys and they were all at someone's house playing basketball, throwing each other in the pool, playing the guitars, racing bikes and I remember thining how much these guys ruled.

[CNM]

Yeah but Quintinilla is a 2B and they already have Barmes, they really needing pitching which Oakland's farms are deep in. I like the pick up of Byrnes though. Now that the old guys are gone the Rockies should be fun to watch with Barmes, Byrnes, Holliday and crew
Yeah it's true they have Barmes but I don't think they'll move him from SS to 2B until their 2005 first round draft pick (Troy Tulowitski) is ready. From what I've heard Quintanilla could be our starting 2B next year. Aaron Miles sucks.

[Loose Cannon]

haha. yes. fuck you Schilling

A-ROD: :wave:

[Dragon]

Nice, 6-6 in the ninth and then Schilling comes in and gives up a 2 run homer to A-Rod. Still no outs.

[Nervous Ferret]

:wave:

[Loose Cannon]

Rivera. Lights. Out

[Dragon]

Rivera strikes out the last three. Pretty big win for the Yankees with Tim Redding and his 0-5 record and over 9.00 ERA pitching tomorrow.

[The Miz]

LOL nice one Schilling. Where was Jesus for you on that one?

[YOUR Hero]

Miz is right about Byrnes and his poor jumps and shitty routes to fly balls. Once he looses half a step, he'll be a huge liability in the field... unless of course he learns to read the flight of the ball better off the bat.

[OssMan]

lol great example of how Manny Ramirez sucks in the field, he tried to make a sliding catch but did it like 5ft away from the ball but Cano was dum and tried to have a triple and Manny just flipped it to third and got the assist

[Joey Slugs]

My predictions for the AL playoffs, as of right now:

White Sox
Red Sox
Red Sox win pretty easilly, lose maybe one game

Angels
Twins
Good series, obviously I am going to say Twins, but thats just me.

Anyway, I'd be pretty surprised if the Red Sox and Cards don't meet in the World Series again.

are you kidding me? boston beating chicago EASY? wow. best record in baseball since april 30th and still no respect.

[The Miz]

That's not exactly an outlandish prediction. The Red Sox won the world series last year and we don't know how the White Sox will do in the second half

[YOUR Hero]

1 more hit for Palmeiro, now needs just one more for 3,000. I think he's going to get it tonight.

[Bricktop]

Rivera strikes out the last three. Pretty big win for the Yankees with Tim Redding and his 0-5 record and over 9.00 ERA pitching tomorrow.

The Yanks are screwed tomorrow. Great game tonight and a huge win. A-Rod :love:

[Loose Cannon]

wow, I had no idea he was near 3,000.

3,000/500. Pretty dam good. Aaron, Mays and Murray

[YOUR Hero]

Raphy is the man. Never got the respect he deserves, at least from my perspective.

[Loose Cannon]

yea, you're right. Very underated player.

[YOUR Hero]

9 seasons in a row where he hit 38 or more HRs and over 100+ rbis. 10 seasons of +35 HRs. He's never been on the DL.

[The Miz]

Rich Harden has a perfect game through 6 against Texas

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'm not even turning on sports radio tomorrow. Going to be ridiculous.

[The Miz]

lol fucking Rangers have had like 3 pussy injuries this inning like fingernail and shit, letting Harden sit there and think about it and get cold

[The Miz]

Nice try Buck. Perfect through 7. :)

[YOUR Hero]

Lost it, Soriano.

[The Miz]

lol the second ESPN goes live to the game Soriano gets a hit.

Probably going to the game tomorrow and the day after. After this weekend, events I will have witnessed:

Edgar Martinez' final game
Ichiro's record breaking 258th hit
Ken Griffey Jr.'s 350th home run
Rafael Palmeiro's 3000th hit