MLB 2005 Season Thread

[The Miz]

3-0 DRays in the 2nd. There are so many jokes I want to make about Schilling right now, but I'll cut him slack because the Devil Rays are actually awesome since the all star break.

He still sucks though.

[BCWWF]

No it wasn't Lugo, it was some even more no-namer. Lugo has potential to be pretty good, he isn't real bad now either.

Anyway, Buehrle called out the Rangers for stealing pitches and having a little light in the outfield. I dunno, I try to hate the White Sox but Buehrle is one of the guys I just kind of have to respect.

[The Miz]

Why would the Rangers steal signs, they have the best infield in baseball, don;t you ever watch ESPN?

[The Miz]

OK, back-to-back-to-back extra base hits. 5-0, I don't care if the Devil Rays are hot, you suck. The Red Sox will not win the World Series with this clown in the rotation.

[BCWWF]

What are you talking about?

[VonErich Lives]

5-0...

So, the sox have 2 SP's.

Wells, who has to sit 6games and could probably get another 6-???? for calling out the commmish and stiring a lot of crap. Heck, the Sox even released a statement kissing Seligs butt and basicly saying "David Wells doesn't speak for the team, but the team will speak for him and say he was just kidding?"

and Pappelbon, who looks good as a starter, but they don't want to kill his arm to soon (See: Chicago Cubs young pitchers) so they're keeping him in the pen for the rest of the year.

Schilling can't place his fastball.
Arroyo is back to earth (4th/5th type starter).
Wake, oh yeah, I keep forgetting him...

Ugh, pitching wins and the sox don't have it.

Foulke is supposed to be back Thursday, but I heard the sox are delaying someone and might just shut him down for the seaoson, but I didn't hear who.

So, do the White Sox have enough bats so they don't loose 2-1 every game?

[Dragon]

Yeah, I've been looking forward to Schilling's starts. The Yankees chance to gain some ground.

[VonErich Lives]

OK, back-to-back-to-back extra base hits. 5-0, I don't care if the Devil Rays are hot, you suck. The Red Sox will not win the World Series with this clown in the rotation.

Of course, cause there's no chance he could turn it around and there's no way a team can win without one pitcher.

Really, you know your stuff, but you're simply talking out your butt because you don't like schilling.

[The Miz]

What are you talking about?

First post was a joke about how the media rides Texas cock because they hit alot of HR's; second post, I guess you aren't watching Sox-DRays.

[VonErich Lives]

Only reason I don't count out the Sox or Yanks are they both have good pitchers and hitters who are slumping and they "could" break out.

Also, the only team with dominating pitching seems to be the White Sox, but I'm not sure they have enough hitting to put runs on the board.

[The Miz]

Of course, cause there's no chance he could turn it around and there's no way a team can win without one pitcher.

Really, you know your stuff, but you're simply talking out your butt because you don't like schilling.

If he returns to 2004 form I would probably pick them to win the AL (I still think the Cardinals are best team in MLB), but I don't see that happening. What I'm saying is that if the Curt Schilling we've seen since his return from the DL is the same one come October, I can't see the Red Sox winning it. They're rotation would be Clement-Schilling-Arroyo-Wells with Wakefield emergency starter (I assume), I don't think those other 3 guys are good enough to counter Schilling's crappiness. In a seven game series, Schilling would get 2 starts, and would most definately lose both if he is in the form of right now. That doesn't leave much room for error for the other 3 guys, none of which have been consistent all season long.

Again this is all if Schilling pitches the same way in October as he is now. I realize there are still about 6 starts (if he makes it that far) for him to figure it out. But if he doesn't I do not like their chances.

I would have so much more respect for Schilling if he would come out tomorrow and tell Francona he is done for the season, and let them work with the 4 man playoff rotation of Clement-Arroyo-Wakefield-Wells. I think he's too much of an egomaniac to do what is best for the team and is more focused on proving people wrong.

Go D'Rays.

[RoXer]

Take that AAofLA. Take that, take that.

Street giving me a scare though.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

KHorn: 0-4

[Lotus]

Hell yeah. Fuck the Angels!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

David Wells got called to the commishers office lol

A lot of the shit he said was right tho, pretty fucked up he got six games for what he did when you think about. Kenny Rogers hits a camera man 3 times, 13 games. Dudes use 'roids, 10 games. Somebody can read Wells' lips and he gets 6 games? Fucking ridiculous. Bud Selig is awful. I dont even know how people can take him serious.

[Lotus]

Yeah, Selig is a piece of shit. At least he's coming to San Jose next week. Maybe we'll finally get a team.

[The Miz]

Take that AAofLA. Take that, take that.

Street giving me a scare though.

My favorite thing in baseball today is probably the look on K-Rod's face when gives up a home run and is unable to do his stupid fist-pump that he does every K.

Where is that clown who said the Angels were the best team in the AL a while back? That was ridiculous then and is even sillier now.

[Loose Cannon]

My favorite thing in baseball today is probably the look on K-Rod's face when gives up a home run and is unable to do his stupid fist-pump that he does every K.

LOL, same here. I was saying that to myself last night and today at school I was pissed because I was watching the video of the homer and the camera didn't show him after he gave it up. I love watching him suffer

[VonErich Lives]

So, Schilling has a bad first two, and then the last 4 looked like the schilling of last year, he was on fire.

Now, you need to understand why the fans of boston love curt so much.

1) He comes here, sox win a WS and he came here and all he talked about was wanting to break the curse and beat the yanks.

2) He is outspoken, fans here respect that.

3) He screws up his ankle, can barely walk, a doctor tries sewing a tendon in place on a cadaver and Schilling says "Ok, if you think that might work, go for it", has his tendon stitched in place and goes out and throws a great game. Nothing like that has happened in baseball since Kirk Gibsons pinch hit HR when he could barely round the bases.

[The Miz]

I understand why Boston fans like him. I don't like him, and hope he sucks the rest of the season and has to retire.

[YOUR Hero]

Johnson Vs Hernandez tonight. (Yankees/Mariners) Could be an interssting game 'slash' match up

[The Miz]

I went to that game last night, Felix pitched better. Too bad our hitters suck.

[The Miz]

6-0 A's, Torre took out Leiter in the first. Oakland gave Leiter a standing O and A-Rod mouthed "motherfuckers". Now Giambi is up and is getting booed as well as some Balco chants.

I love A's-Yankees

[BCWWF]

Liriano has been called up. Consider yourself warned.

[OssMan]

MIGUEL K-RO

[Lotus]

Fuckin' Yankees coming back with a 7-0 shutout of Oakland. I have a sick feeling in my stomach that the A's are going to blow it again on the last weekend against fucking LA/Anaheim. I hate those bastards. Well, at least I'll have the Braves.

Oh yeah, and the Giants moved up to second place now. What the fuck...

[OssMan]

lol could anyone here the people chanting for Eagles at the Nationals game today? They were right next to me, security had to take them away in the 8th. RIDICULOUS

[The Outlaw]

LOL David Wells is ridiculous

[Ivan]

Carepenter is pitching like a cabinet this year

[RoXer]

Where did this 19 year old come from, The Miz?

[CNM]

King Felix is the man

[The Miz]

Hey if anyone hasn't noticed the Angels aren't good

[McLegend]

Damnit the Astros own the Phillies.

Very sad

[Lotus]

Fucking LaTroy Hawkins :mad:

[Lotus]

FUCKING DODGERS FANS. SUCH BULLSHIT. FUCK LA.

[Lotus]

Ah whatever, it doesn't matter anyways.

[OssMan]

Welcome to being a Met fan, AssMan. Another crushing loss at Turner Cemetary.

[Evil Vito]

Welcome to being a Met fan, AssMan. Another crushing loss at Turner Cemetary.

<font color=goldenrod>I didn't even need to watch the end of the game to know they would lose with Looper in there to try and close it out

Trade him, release him, kill him...whatever, get him off the fucking team</font> :mad:

[YOUR Hero]

Hey, Travis. How many Mariners does that make it now? 3?

Bunch of Ice Heads...

[OssMan]

I knew they were going to lose the whole time. Once they put Looper in though, it pretty much sealed it. I watch any ounce of Mets I get here in VA and it kills me. It is just like waiting to die. So terrible

[OssMan]

what the fuck were they doing taking Roberto Hernandez out IN THE 8TH to go to Looper? Every one in the world knows Hernandez is their best reliever except our boy Willie. Get used to it, folks.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Well, after having a Mets desktop/Mets MSN icon since March, I've gotten rid of them and replaced them with NY Giants ones....no chance the Mets make the playoffs, and the only thing that could change my mind is a sweep of the Cards (not even in my dreams....)

Oh well, at least they are better than last year, even though they are heading for dead last in the NL East</font> :mad:

[OssMan]

Move them to California and they will win the division :shifty:

[BCWWF]

Lol at LaTroy

[The Miz]

Hey, Travis. How many Mariners does that make it now? 3?

Bunch of Ice Heads...

Morse took steroids in AA almost 2 years ago and has been suspended 3 times for taking it once because it keeps showing up. Strong and Franklin are idiots though.

[YOUR Hero]

Yeah I know. He seems very open about it. I wonder why if these are AA results they showed up again?

[Loose Cannon]

Sox/Yanks ESPN

[RP]

Bernie Williams has a target on his head

[Lotus]

Fuckin Sox have to take care of the Yankees this weekend for the sake of Oakland, who just barely held on tonight.

[YOUR Hero]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=yspsctbg><TD class=ysptblhdr colSpan=5 height=18>American League</TD></TR><TR class=ysptblthbody1 align=right><TD class=yspdetailttl align=left width="50%" height=18> </TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="12%">W</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="12%">L</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="13%">GB</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="13%">Left</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> Cleveland (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/cle)</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>--</TD><TD>21</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> NY Yankees (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/nyy)</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>0.5</TD><TD>22</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> Oakland (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/oak)</TD><TD>78</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>22</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> Minnesota (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/min)</TD><TD>73</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>6.5</TD><TD>22</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=yspsctbg><TD class=ysptblhdr colSpan=5 height=18>National League</TD></TR><TR class=ysptblthbody1 align=right><TD class=yspdetailttl align=left width="50%" height=18> </TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="12%">W</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="12%">L</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="13%">GB</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="13%">Left</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> Houston (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/hou)</TD><TD>75</TD><TD>65</TD><TD>--</TD><TD>22</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> Florida (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/fla)</TD><TD>75</TD><TD>66</TD><TD>0.5</TD><TD>21</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> Philadelphia (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/phi)</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>21</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> Washington (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/was)</TD><TD>73</TD><TD>69</TD><TD>3.0</TD><TD>20</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> NY Mets (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/nym)</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>5.5</TD><TD>21</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> Milwaukee (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/mil)</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>5.5</TD><TD>21</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> Chi Cubs (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/chc)</TD><TD>69</TD><TD>72</TD><TD>6.5</TD><TD>21</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Lots of important games left to play.

[OssMan]

Yankees will win division

[BCWWF]

LOL

[Dragon]

With Cleveland winning like 11-2 now and Chicago losing, the Indians are only going to be 5.5 games back.

[Lotus]

Fuck man, the A's take 2 of 3 in Texas and they still lose ground in both the wild card and division race. What the fuck do they have to do? Be perfect? Shit. It's over for Oakland.

[Lotus]

At least the Braves will win their 14th straight. :cool: And then lose to the Astros in the first round again. :'(

[VonErich Lives]

Morse took steroids in AA almost 2 years ago and has been suspended 3 times for taking it once because it keeps showing up. Strong and Franklin are idiots though.

I know Hero asked the question, but I gotta wonder also.

How does it show up 2yrs later?


Sounds like it could be a load of crap.

[VonErich Lives]

Yankees will win division


Nah, and the best is the Sox will knock them out of the wildcard the last weekend of the season!

(although, I must admit, having tickets to the last 2 games, seeing it come down to deciding the division would be really sweet!)

[RoXer]

It's over for Oakland.

What are you talking about? If they Angels lose tonight, they are only a game out of the west. Stop being so damn pessimistic.

[BCWWF]

Cleveland has it

[Lotus]

What are you talking about? If they Angels lose tonight, they are only a game out of the west. Stop being so damn pessimistic.

Sorry, I was PMSing after that frustrating weekend. Nice win tonight. 5 pitchers combining for the shutout. :cool:

[The Miz]

Macha needs to stop working Street so hard. He's pitched over an inning like his last 4 outings.

Also, Rincon the fat midget should never pitch ever

[YOUR Hero]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=yspsctbg><TD class=ysptblhdr colSpan=5 height=18>American League</TD></TR><TR class=ysptblthbody1 align=right><TD class=yspdetailttl align=left width="50%" height=18> </TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="12%">W</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="12%">L</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="13%">GB</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="13%">Left</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> Cleveland (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/cle) (18)</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>--</TD><TD>17</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> NY Yankees (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/nyy)</TD><TD>81</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>1.0</TD><TD>19</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> Oakland (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/oak)</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>64</TD><TD>2.5</TD><TD>18</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=yspsctbg><TD class=ysptblhdr colSpan=5 height=18>National League</TD></TR><TR class=ysptblthbody1 align=right><TD class=yspdetailttl align=left width="50%" height=18> </TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="12%">W</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="12%">L</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="13%">GB</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="13%">Left</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> Florida (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/fla) (17)</TD><TD>78</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>--</TD><TD>17</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> Philadelphia (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/phi)</TD><TD>77</TD><TD>68</TD><TD>1.0</TD><TD>17</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> Houston (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/hou)</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>68</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>18</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> Washington (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/was)</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>4.0</TD><TD>17</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> Milwaukee (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/mil)</TD><TD>72</TD><TD>72</TD><TD>5.5</TD><TD>18</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


As I see, these are the only contenders left.

[The Miz]

Milwaukee and Washington, nah

[The Miz]

Dammit, I almost made it through an entire season without being asked to leave Safeco field for being mean to the visitors. Brendan Donnelly is a whiny bitch

[VonErich Lives]

Dammit, I almost made it through an entire season without being asked to leave Safeco field for being mean to the visitors. Brendan Donnelly is a whiny bitch

Did you deserve to have a chair thrown at you?

So, what did you say that "crossed the line"?

[The Miz]

Basically just made fun of him for being a scab replacement to the point where he told on me

If you don't know why he's a scab read this http://www.baseball-almanac.com/legendary/replacement_players.shtml

[YOUR Hero]

Milwaukee & Washington I have as long shots. I was going to omit them, but really, they are both a 5 game winning streak of being at the throats of the others.

[YOUR Hero]

ONe of the very few to use his real name as a scab player. Interesting.

[The Miz]

Macha just cost the A's 2 straight games to Cleveland because of poor bullpen management. Really doubt they'll make the playoffs now.

[Loose Cannon]

Indians have a ridiculous scheduale remaining. They play the Royals like 7 times and the Devil Rays 3 times. what the fuck?

[YOUR Hero]

Yep, Indians are in a great position.

[Lotus]

FUCKING A'S :mad: At least I got Atlanta. All I hope is that the Astros don't win the wild card and the Braves will get to face San Diego (who should have fucking lost today :mad: ), and then lose to St. Louis in the NLCS.

[VonErich Lives]

Basically just made fun of him for being a scab replacement to the point where he told on me

If you don't know why he's a scab read this http://www.baseball-almanac.com/legendary/replacement_players.shtml


and they tossed you for that? That's really dumb, I could see swearing or calling his family names and such...

and yeah, I know about the replacement players (sorry, in some cases I can't use the term "scab") Sox have had a few, Daubach, Merloni and now Kevin Millar, none are allowed in the MLBPA and I'm pretty sure you won't find Millar's name on the WS trophy or other MLBPA stuff (shirts and such) because of that.

[VonErich Lives]

17 to go, 2.5 games back...

could come down to the last 3games, everyone laughed at MLB, said it will be decided before then and they ruined a good mid-season rivalry... looks like MLB may have created the best 3 game series to end a season in a long time. Even if the division is decided by then, it could hold the WC hopes on one team.

[RP]

and they tossed you for that? That's really dumb, I could see swearing or calling his family names and such...

and yeah, I know about the replacement players (sorry, in some cases I can't use the term "scab") Sox have had a few, Daubach, Merloni and now Kevin Millar, none are allowed in the MLBPA and I'm pretty sure you won't find Millar's name on the WS trophy or other MLBPA stuff (shirts and such) because of that.


Thats pretty stupid IMO. Why would they not recognize Milar? I dont get it . He can play baseball obviously. He wouldnt still be in the league if he couldnt. He took an oppurtunity given to him by MLB. Hell he probably never would have gotten in if he hadnt. Just doesnt make since. Maybe you guys can explain to me ?

[The Outlaw]

Yeah that's pretty ridunkulous.

[OssMan]

I could not follow the Nationals if I tried. They show about 1 game for five games they play on UPN which is their regular station. They haven't shown one game from this Mets series, it is on ESPN but it is blacked out here.

They have two radio stations, one is a regular FM station that plays music, and they do some nats games on the other station is not in range for me to pick up which is ridiculous cause I am like 30 miles outside Washington. Its so annoying.

[Yashamaga]

You spell MVP O-R-T-I-Z

[VonErich Lives]

Thats pretty stupid IMO. Why would they not recognize Milar? I dont get it . He can play baseball obviously. He wouldnt still be in the league if he couldnt. He took an oppurtunity given to him by MLB. Hell he probably never would have gotten in if he hadnt. Just doesnt make since. Maybe you guys can explain to me ?

If I understand correctly, any player who crossed the picket line aka "scab" is not allowed to join the MLB player union.

The union basiclly said, you didn't support us and our members, you undercut and tried to (or did for a moment) take a job from out players/members we don't want you and we wont protect you, etc...

I remember stories of Daubach getting the cold sholder and even thrown at in games because of being a "scab".

So, hence Millar isn't part of mechandising and license agreements from the MLBPA unless they work out a side deal. This is true of all scab players.

The only other person I know of that "withdrew" from the MLBPA not banned, is Barry Bonds.

[VonErich Lives]

must admit, a little worried about the Sox.

I think they have the "stuff" to go all the way, the only team I see with "great pitching" is the white sox, but not sure if they have enough and I question if they have the hitting and could drop close games.

That being said, besides great pitching and clutch hitting last year the sox (except for a little ankle thing) avoided the injury bug and had good role players.

Kapler will hurt, schilling and foulke not 100% hurts, and Damon being banged up worries me... the injury big may catch them, which sucks cause I want to see another great playoffs, everyone healthy, everyone top their game. I want to see a game #1 with the CY winning Johnson v. Schilling and so on...

[Loose Cannon]

It's really sad that offense HAS to win games for the Yankees right now down the stretch.

7-5 Yanks in the 6th

[The Miz]

I'm really curious as to why VEL keeps referring to the White Sox as having dominating pitching. Does he watch their games? Buehrle is great but that is about it. Garland and Garcia are above average and Hernandez and Contreras are 2 of the most unpredictable inconsistent pitcher you'll find. The best 2 pitching staffs in the AL are by far Minnesota and Oakland, Minnesota is out of it though.

[Loose Cannon]

Speaking of the Chi Sox, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Indians take over that division. They're skating on thin ice.

[VonErich Lives]

I'm really curious as to why VEL keeps referring to the White Sox as having dominating pitching. Does he watch their games? Buehrle is great but that is about it. Garland and Garcia are above average and Hernandez and Contreras are 2 of the most unpredictable inconsistent pitcher you'll find. The best 2 pitching staffs in the AL are by far Minnesota and Oakland, Minnesota is out of it though.

Hence why Minnesota isn't mentioned.

Of the contenders the White Sox have one of the better staffs in the AL, but you can see (or not see) it however you want.

[BCWWF]

When you go to a five-man rotation, I would say the White Sox are probably the team to beat, but oftentimes it is the three man rotation that you have to reckon with, and I'm just not sold on Garcia or Garland either.

[RoXer]

Let's go now A's. now. nownownownownownownow

[BCWWF]

I would honestly stop watching Twins Baseball

http://www.startribune.com/stories/503/5617772.html

[The Outlaw]

You spell MVP O-R-T-I-Z

A-R-O-D

[Loose Cannon]

hmmmm, I know a team that's looking for a center fielder :naughty:

[VonErich Lives]

hmmmm, I know a team that's looking for a center fielder :naughty:


The Red Sox when the Dodgers over pay for Damon? :p

Although, think Hunter wants his next first game back to be where he got injured?

[VonErich Lives]

As for the White Sox, I haven't looked in a few weeks, but there 5 all had good stats, one of the best stats in the league, that's why I mention them.

But it is true, come playoff time it's a 3 or 4 man rotation.

[BCWWF]

I would hate myself if Torii went to either NYY or Boston. I think he would still be the man on those teams and would be cool playing for them, but there is absolutely nothing they can/or will offer us that is worth taking. Prospects? We don't need any prospects. We have three great hitters in the minors and a slew of pitchers, we need ML hitters. Sure if the Yankees gave us Jeter or Matsui or the Sox gave us Ortiz back o something, but that won't happen and can't happen with our payroll, and even if it did it still probably wouldn't make the Twins a better team.

You know that I am not off base in saying this, if the Twins can pinch some penny's and sign Soriano, we would have to be one of the top contenders for the AL Pennant. Cy, Radke, Silva, and then the two youngs guys will still make up one of the best pitching staffs, we will still have one of the top bullpens, and with a lineup of Stewart-Mauer-Soriano-Morneau-Hunter-Ford-LeCroy-Cuddyer-Punto we would look a whole helluva lot better then we do now. Of course that all relies on Morneau having a full year playing well next year, he is ultimately the reason why we were no good this year. He failed expectations in the second half.

Meat.

[Dragon]

Got tickets to the final game of the season between the Yanks and Sox at Fenway. It would be great if this final game knocks the Red Sox out of the playoff spot.

[VonErich Lives]

Got tickets to the final game of the season between the Yanks and Sox at Fenway. It would be great if this final game knocks the Red Sox out of the playoff spot.

I got that and the game before.

I think everyone secretly hopes it comes down to the last 3 and the non-div winner won't get a wild card.

Although, I must admit, if it comes down to that last game, there's a real good chance I'll sell the tickets, already been offerd over 4x the value.

[Dragon]

Yeah, I can't imagine what that place will be like if that last game determines who makes the playoffs. Either way, if the Sox win it will be crazy, if the Yanks win it will be even crazier.

Haven't been to Fenway in like 5 years either.

[BCWWF]

I personally couldn't give half a shit if both the Yankees and Red Sox make the playoffs this year. That rivalry doesn't matter anymore and the Yankees don't deserve to be in the playoffs with what they've put on the field this year. I would prefer the Indians or the A's, and I don't think I'm alone on that. Another East Coast ALCS is something that people on the East Coast want.

[Loose Cannon]

jelousy :roll:

[YOUR Hero]

Come on Jays.

Huge comeback underway against the Yankees. Wierd game. Jays were up 3-1 after first inning. Randy Johnson got tossed in the second for argueing balls and strikes. Yankees went up by something like 9 runs. Now the lead is down to 1 run. Bottom of the 7th inning.

[Loose Cannon]

It's really sad that offense HAS to win games for the Yankees right now down the stretch.

[Lotus]

WHAT THE TITTY FUCK?! This ump in the Red Sox game is giving all the fucking balls/strikes calls to Boston. Such bullshit. This is reminding me of another time an Oakland team played a Massachusetts team... :mad:

[Lotus]

Well at least they got out of the 7th unscathed. Oakland, that is.

[The Outlaw]

LOL I was thinking the only way Boston would win is if Manny got hit by the pitch.

...and alas

[VonErich Lives]

I personally couldn't give half a shit if both the Yankees and Red Sox make the playoffs this year. That rivalry doesn't matter anymore and the Yankees don't deserve to be in the playoffs with what they've put on the field this year. I would prefer the Indians or the A's, and I don't think I'm alone on that. Another East Coast ALCS is something that people on the East Coast want.

Really, what happened to you? Did you recently trip and can't get your head stuck in your ass?

It's one of, if not the best rivalry in sports and if the Yanks don't deserve to be in the playoffs then I guess more teams should have beat them.

WHAT THE TITTY FUCK?! This ump in the Red Sox game is giving all the fucking balls/strikes calls to Boston. Such bullshit. This is reminding me of another time an Oakland team played a Massachusetts team... :mad:


Umm, yeah, guess you should have watched the 8th and 9th when the Sox went down looking on some BS calls and by the way Tom Brady says "Tuck this". :)

LOL I was thinking the only way Boston would win is if Manny got hit by the pitch.

...and alas

Funny, I was at a local pub, after he threw inside I said "manny will hit into a double play, when you brush him back he puts the bat on his sholder, maybe they'll hit him"

and someone else said "yeah, watch manny get hit to win the game"

and...

Bingo.

wins a win, we'll take it.

[BCWWF]

I got sick of the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry when ESPN had their game and was still doing stories about the bloody sock after the All Star Break. That rivalry reached its climax in the last two years, and it was sweet. Now the Red Sox have overstayed their limit and the Yankees just simply don't deserve to be in the playoffs.

You were probably on vacation when I made the post, but I can't stand how the Red Sox still play off the down to earth, hometown, grassroots, underdog baseball team. They aren't. Thats what the A's, the Indians, the Twins are. The Red Sox are a team just as bad as the Yankees, they pluck players from teams who can't afford them, let them grow their hair out, and suddenly they aren't as bad as the Yankees? In the words of Stephen A. Smith, please.

Another Red Sox-Yankees ALCS would just take away from what it was the past two years, because neither team is the best this year. It would be like the two left feet fighting to see who loses to St. Louis, after they have already had what like 20 national games this year and a huge series right before the playoffs? I think the Miz joins me, I would rather see the Indians and A's in the ALCS. I think it will be better off if the loser of that last series misses the playoffs, because then it will be like an extra playoff round for free, and the Yankees would probably miss the playoffs. If they have a huge series so that both teams get in (which would be very unlikely) and then another series a week later, it would just add to the overkill. The way its set up now is at least something new and different, and it will be fun to watch the Yankees get knocked out of the playoffs.

[Loose Cannon]

I got sick of the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry when ESPN had their game and was still doing stories about the bloody sock after the All Star Break. That rivalry reached its climax in the last two years, and it was sweet. Now the Red Sox have overstayed their limit and the Yankees just simply don't deserve to be in the playoffs.

You were probably on vacation when I made the post, but I can't stand how the Red Sox still play off the down to earth, hometown, grassroots, underdog baseball team. They aren't. Thats what the A's, the Indians, the Twins are. The Red Sox are a team just as bad as the Yankees, they pluck players from teams who can't afford them, let them grow their hair out, and suddenly they aren't as bad as the Yankees? In the words of Stephen A. Smith, please.

Another Red Sox-Yankees ALCS would just take away from what it was the past two years, because neither team is the best this year. It would be like the two left feet fighting to see who loses to St. Louis, after they have already had what like 20 national games this year and a huge series right before the playoffs? I think the Miz joins me, I would rather see the Indians and A's in the ALCS. I think it will be better off if the loser of that last series misses the playoffs, because then it will be like an extra playoff round for free, and the Yankees would probably miss the playoffs. If they have a huge series so that both teams get in (which would be very unlikely) and then another series a week later, it would just add to the overkill. The way its set up now is at least something new and different, and it will be fun to watch the Yankees get knocked out of the playoffs.


Your ignorance and bias comes out nicely here.

I got sick of the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry when ESPN had their game and was still doing stories about the bloody sock after the All Star Break.

Red Sox/Yankees = Ratings, Ratings= Money, Companies = Love Money. How many times do I have to explain that. More people WANT to watch the Sox and Yankees. Majority over minority when it comes to making money


Now the Red Sox have overstayed their limit and the Yankees just simply don't deserve to be in the playoffs.

What the hell does overstaying thier limit mean anyway? And I'm sorry, I didn't know you had to be deserving to get a playoff spot in the MLB. I thought you had to win more games then 10 out of 14 teams.[/QUOTE]

You were probably on vacation when I made the post, but I can't stand how the Red Sox still play off the down to earth, hometown, grassroots, underdog baseball team. They aren't. Thats what the A's, the Indians, the Twins are. The Red Sox are a team just as bad as the Yankees, they pluck players from teams who can't afford them, let them grow their hair out, and suddenly they aren't as bad as the Yankees? In the words of Stephen A. Smith, please.

Bias Bias Bias.

Another Red Sox-Yankees ALCS would just take away from what it was the past two years, because neither team is the best this year.

Sorry for not keeping the storyline going strong for the Sox and Yankees. They're just doing thier jobs and that is to win ballgames, not to make some compelling story every single year. The writers are the ones that do that. And who is the best right now?


LOL, here comes the bias full steam ahead

I think the Miz joins me, I would rather see the Indians and A's in the ALCS. I think it will be better off if the loser of that last series misses the playoffs, because then it will be like an extra playoff round for free, and the Yankees would probably miss the playoffs.

So the Yankees aren't deserving, but the Indians and A's are? If you would of just posted "I hate the Red Sox and Yankees", you would of saved some space. I'm not saying the Indians and A's aren't but let's try and be fair here.


If they have a huge series so that both teams get in (which would be very unlikely) and then another series a week later, it would just add to the overkill. The way its set up now is at least something new and different

And again, this is baseball, not some wrestling type event. Who cares how the schedule is set up. That's not the Yankees and Red Sox fault. They are just there to win and I'm sure the other teams are for that too. They're not there to set up some compelling story every single year



The way its set up now is at least something new and different, and it will be fun to watch the Yankees get knocked out of the playoffs.

Like how am I suppossed to take you serious here when you clearly keep showing you just hate the Yankees. Just say it.

[The Miz]

Macha doesn't even care anymore because he knows he's a lame duck manager. Keiichi Yabu? Come on

[BCWWF]

When you break down a post you misrepresent what it was saying. I'm not an idiot, its not like I don't know what ratings are, but last time I checked I am a fan and not an ABC exec. The hype going around this rivalry has gone overkill, but obviously if you are right in the middle of it you will just be eating it up. When you are on the outside and watch as they analyze and sensationalize every little move going on between the two teams. I understand that this is the biggest market, but I simply don't care to see this again. It was fun the last two years, but there are better teams this year. I didn't read all of your post because its pretty stupid to break down a three paragraph post, but I wasn't saying that the schedule is a bad thing, I am saying that its a good thing because it basically adds a round to the playoffs, and since I doubt the team who loses that series will get the wildcard it will make for a new ALCS. What we are talking about is when VEL said that most people in America (or something similar, don't attack me with a missed detail here) would like to see the ALCS again, and I said I would prefer to see something different.

And I don't hate the Yankees. The way they are built is that they spend the most money to have the best players and the best team in the league, but this year they just simply aren't the dominant Yankees that I want to see in the playoffs. Its the same thing with the Marlins, they have been medeocre all season so I don't care to see them in the playoffs. Both teams are huge draws and great things for the league, but sue me if I don't want to see them for a third straight year after watching everything they have done all season when neither team was the best team in the league.

[Loose Cannon]

Alright, that's fine. Your own opinion.

For me personally, yea it would be more exciting to see the Yankees in the plaoffs then out, but if they don't get in, I'm still going to watch all the games. And I don't really care who the teams in ther are. I know it's the eight best teams in the league and there will dam well be exciting moments.

True baseball fans just love watching baseball. And I know a lot of us on here are. You'll watch teams that you don't really care about just because it's baseball. LOL, this is sounding like a Field of Dreams speech.

Anyway, should be an entertaining last 15 or so games and an exciting postseason.

[BCWWF]

I would fully expect you to be since you are a Yankees fan, but in the same way that people got sick of the Bulls always winning, I am getting sick of the same old thing in the playoffs all year because of how much I've been seeing it in the offseason. I just want to see something new.

[Loose Cannon]

It's funny, cause I am that way with the Lakers. I hate them with a passion and I couldn't wait for them to self-destruct. But then it kind of made me sad last year that they weren't that dominating Lakers team. It was like "dam, I wish the Lakers were those bid bullies like they always had been." It's weird like that because the teams you hate the most sometimes are the teams you want to see in there at the end. Getting there asses handed to them of course.

In baseball it's the Red Sox and Braves for me.

And that's one of the reasons I love the World Cup. To see these powerhouse teams Like Brazil and France get beat is sweet. But if Brazil and France didn't make it in, it's kind of like "dam, wtf happened to them. I wish they were in."

You know what I mean?

[OssMan]

ROFL why do they give a game a "national spotlight" if they are not going to show it nationally. They advertised Mets/Braves so much here but they decided to show Phillies/Marlins.

[The Miz]

The latter of those games has playoff implications. Read: the Mets are shitty

[YOUR Hero]

I'm hoping not just for different teams making the playoffs, but different winners. I like diversity. It dilutes the belief of large payrolls = winning.

[Lotus]

Umm, yeah, guess you should have watched the 8th and 9th when the Sox went down looking on some BS calls and by the way Tom Brady says "Tuck this". :)




BS calls my ass. Those were the same pitches that got called balls in the 7th, the ump finally realized that they were in the fucking strike zone. But anyways, you guys won fair and square. Can't complain about that. No screwjob, but Yabu is another fucking story :mad:

[Loose Cannon]

I'm hoping not just for different teams making the playoffs, but different winners. I like diversity. It dilutes the belief of large payrolls = winning.

well that thinking went out the window in 2002 and 2003 IMO.

[The Miz]

Can't blame Yabu for that one. He's pitched 3 times in the last 16 games and is expcted to get out Manny with the bases loaded and one out in the 10th. The only pitcher on the A's who's chances I like in that situation is Huston Street, who Macha brilliantly used to close out a 4-run game last night.

[Lotus]

Yeah, Macha is a genious.

But I'd rather losing on Manny hitting a Grand Slam. At least give the defense a snowball's chance in hell, damn.

[YOUR Hero]

well that thinking went out the window in 2002 and 2003 IMO.

Not, it hasn't. It's made the Red Sox and Yankees just think that they aren't spending enough yet. Until those teams (teams like them) have no success for several years, they'll continue ruining baseball for the majority of teams.

[McLegend]

Sucks for D-train

Shut out going into the ninth and the Marlins Defense blows it.

[Loose Cannon]

Not, it hasn't. It's made the Red Sox and Yankees just think that they aren't spending enough yet. Until those teams (teams like them) have no success for several years, they'll continue ruining baseball for the majority of teams.

OK, so let's say large payrolls = winning.

Now let's take 2000-2005. I'll list the top 8 payrolls every year

2000

New York Yankees
Los Angeles Dodgers
Baltimore Orioles
Atlanta Braves
Boston Red Sox
New York Mets
Arizona Diamondbacks
Cleveland Indians

Yankees, Mets, Cardinals, Braves, Giants, M'S, A's, Chi Sox made playoffs

Yankees won World Series

2001

New York Yankees
Boston Red Sox
Los Angeles Dodgers
New York Mets
Cleveland Indians
Atlanta Braves
Texas Rangers
Arizona Diamondbacks

D-Backs, Braves, Astros, Cardinals, M's, Yankees, Indians, A's

D-backs won World Series.

2002

New York Yankees
Boston Red Sox
Texas Rangers
Arizona Diamondbacks
Los Angeles Dodgers
New York Mets
Atlanta Braves
Seattle Mariners


Yanks, D-Backs, Angels, Cardinals, Giants, Braves, Twins, A's made playoffs

Angles won the World Series (15th in payroll)

2003

New York Yankees
New York Mets
Atlanta Braves
Los Angeles Dodgers
Texas Rangers
Boston Red Sox
Seattle Mariners
St. Louis Cardinals

Yankees, Braves, Red Sox, Marlins, A's, Twins, Cubs, Giants made playoffs

Florida won World Series (25th in payroll)

2004

New York Yankees
Boston Red Sox
Los Angeles Angels
New York Mets
Philadelphia Phillies
Los Angeles Dodgers
Chicago Cubs
Atlanta Braves

Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Twins, Cardinals, Houston, Braves, Dodgers.

Red Sox won World Series

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See, your theory holds up in some aspects over the last couple of years, but not fully. There are teams that don't spend ("don't" not "can't") and they still get in the playoffs.

Now what about the teams that are in the top 8 all the time and never win. What do you think about them?

What about the teams who are always in there (A's for example) and are at the bottom in payroll? The A's had so many chances and they blew it big time a couple times

And what about those owners that have the money and are some of the richest people in the world and don't spend the money to win? Should we fault George or John Henry for spending thier money?

And I know the Yankees have the most revenue, but should we fault the Yankee fans for selling out the stadium all the time and playing a huge part in that revenue? The Twins fans don't seem to give a dam about their team, even when they are winning... and thus no revenue. Carl Pohland (Twins owner) is one of the richest men in the world according to forbes, btw, and yet his teams payroll is always at the bottom somewhere.

Davis Glass (Royals Owner) is another one on the list and yet the Royals are basement dwellers most years. And you wonder why thier fans don't care about them.

When the Yankees were shit in the early 90's, how do you think they were able to go on a spending spree starting in '96? Because people still came to see them.

And I think that's the biggest problem with baseball and any sport really. It's those extraneous variables that we can't control. You can't control who goes to the ballgames. If the city is not interested in the team, well there goes most of the revenue. You can't control where the better markets are. But that doesn't mean those smaller markets can never win.

Maybe it's best for baseball to not only approve on a salary cap, but to dump a few teams while they are at it.

[Loose Cannon]

So the Chi Sox lost again today. If the Tribe wins tonight, it puts them 3 games back. Very interesting because they have a 3 game series coming up.

3 months ago I was saying the Sox were definately a lock. Just brings back the old "anything can happen" saying.

[YOUR Hero]

Buying an expensive team is just a unintelligent way to manage. There's no creativity in it, there's no hard decisions (besides who to throw tons of money at) As far as I'm concerned, a team is poorly managed when there solution is to acquire player after player via free agency.

[VonErich Lives]

LC pretty much said everything I would have.

As far as the money issue and who people want to see...

If Oakland winning meant ratings, then they'd have a better following and be making more money and hence able to keep their talent.

[YOUR Hero]

Attendance isn't the fuel that drives the Yankees or the Red Sox. We all know that. They have awesome attendance, but that's a by product of winning in a large market and the fact they are who they are.

[The Outlaw]

Hey HOW BOUT THEM BABY BRAVES BITCHES

[Lotus]

Hey HOW BOUT THEM BABY BRAVES BITCHES

:cool:

Only to be knocked out in the first round again :(

Unless they face the Phillies or Marlins. Then they'll lose to Saint Louis.

[VonErich Lives]

Attendance isn't the fuel that drives the Yankees or the Red Sox. We all know that. They have awesome attendance, but that's a by product of winning in a large market and the fact they are who they are.

Attendance does help, that's for sure, although the sox have one of the smaller parks in the league the owners have found many other ways to make money.

The marketing of these teams and their "TV Markets" is what makes money, everything from the Red Sox selling "Championship Dirt" yeah, they're selling bags of Dirt from the field, to the YES and NESN cable stations.

They both have built not just a local but national following. Hence they can spend all the money and still make a profit.

[BCWWF]

The White Sox play the Twins like six more times and same with Cleveland I believe. The Sox seem to be the only team the Twins can get up to play now, so I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Cleveland take it. How crazy would that be.

[Loose Cannon]

LOL, they made a wrestling reference this morning on ESPN News. They were highlighting the Padres game from last night and they showed the Ramon Hernandez homer and before he hit it the sports ancor was like

"Game tied at five in the 12th for the Bad Guy, Razor Ramon Hernandez" and he hit it.

pretty funny seeing as how outdated Razor Ramon is.

[YOUR Hero]

He's not such a Bad Guy to reference.

:rofl:

[The Miz]

Ramon Hernandez is the man. Walk-off bunt, suck it Lowe

[Azriel]

Hopefully Yanks can sweep and win today

I think Red Sox pretty much lost today

[Loose Cannon]

fucking shit. 1.5 games back now.

[BCWWF]

Cleveland

[YOUR Hero]

Hopefully Yanks can sweep and win today

I think Red Sox pretty much lost today

Suck my dick.

[VonErich Lives]

fucking shit. 1.5 games back now.

Magic # 13? :)

[Azriel]

Okay, okay, lets sweep the Orioles Yanks. I know they can do it...hopefully

[RoXer]

A's - A lot
Red Sox - Not enough

[Lotus]

A's still 2 back though. They had a chance to sweep that series against Boston, but I'll take 2 of 4. Braves are cooling off; they better step it up a bit if they want to win #14 in a row.

[The Miz]

Bobby Crosby is coming back tomorrow. Ken Macha can nullify every idiotic lineup he's put on the field through the first 149 games if he goes with something along the lines of:

1. Ellis 2B
2. Crosby SS
3. Kotsay CF
4. Chavez 3B
5. Payton LF
6. Swisher RF
7. Johnson 1B
8. Kendall C
9. Hatteberg DH

Obviously Hatteberg has no place in a major league batting order but Macha has man-love for him so there's nothing that can be done. This team can NOT score runs with Jason Kendall hitting any higher than 7th. He sucks and erases Ellis' 1.000 OPS this month with his 793485923 GIDP's this month. With Crosby coming back it's going to be really hard for Macha to hit Kendall 1-2 like he wants to. And if he does it, the season is over.

If the Angels win the division it is 100% on Macha. Seriously. The A's are better than the Angels at EVERYTHING except the win column. The Angels have a bad manager and the A's have a retarded one.

Good luck in Pittsburgh Ken.

[RoXer]

You lineup makes sense. I don't see how he could do anything else.


But hey, he IS a moron.

[The Miz]

Hansen & Ramirez are late call-ups for the Red Sox.

[Loose Cannon]

uh oh .5 back

[RP]

I think Richie Sexon is the next big thing.

[Loose Cannon]

well he better hurry up cause he's like 30 years old

[RP]

Barry Bonds is 41 :shifty:

[VonErich Lives]

I think Richie Sexon is the next big thing.

well he better hurry up cause he's like 30 years old

Barry Bonds is 41 :shifty:

and Bonds won his firts NL MVP at age 26.

Of course Brock Lesnar is only 28... you did say the "Next Big Thing"... :D

[VonErich Lives]

uh oh .5 back

Not looking good, pitching is falling apart, it's bad enough to give up runs, but Clemment and Wells just killed are bullpen for the next 3 days. Gotta get 8 out of Schilling tonight.

Well, I think I may keep the tickets for the last game of the year, the bleachers for the 2nd to last game someone offered me 6x what I paid. Normally, I wouldn't sell where it could decide the div/wc and be a once in a lifetime type game, but I have to go to Florida for a family thing, and this could pay my whole trip minus spending money.

The last game I'm still torn, depends on how stupid/crazy an offer I get. Last was 4.5x what I paid...

I just hope both teams hang in, cause either way it'll be fun to have it come down to the last 3...

[BCWWF]

It really is going to come down to those last three games it looks like. If it does then it looks like one team won't be making it, seeing as though they are right around the wildcard mark right now. Unless ChiSox or Oakland crumbles that is.

[Loose Cannon]

Indians tie it in the 9th

[The Miz]

LOL anybody watching Rockies-Padres? 20-1 in the 8th, Sean burroughs now pitching for SD sporting a 40.50 ERA. Matt Holliday 4-5, 2 HR, 8 rbi. Gotta love Coors

[Loose Cannon]

lol

Who's the Rockie fan here who was thanking the Rockies for getting rid of Chacon and didn't listen to me that he sucked because of that shitty ballpark.

[Joey Slugs]

Biggest win of the year. Magic number is now 9.

GO SOX GO

[BCWWF]

CNM is the only Colorado guy I know here

[CNM]

I never said anything about thanking the Rockies for getting rid of Chaq. He pissed me off to no end last year, but he's from Colorado and I was one of the few Rockies fans who wanted to keep him. BTW, Coors had nothing to do with his record this year. He pitched pretty well, he just got shitty run support.

[CNM]

Oh, and the pAAAdres suck. The Rocks will win the West next year.

[Loose Cannon]

wasn't talking about you.

[The Miz]

I like the Dodgers in the West next year

[Joey Slugs]

Sox take out the Indians tonight.




Print it.

[BCWWF]

Notre Dame will finish either 20 or below in the polls, but still make a bowl

[Loose Cannon]

Oh how things have changed.

First. Place.

[The Miz]

Sox take out the Indians tonight.




Print it.

Hey good call bro

[Loose Cannon]

Chi Sox are fucked. They got to deal with the Twins, while The Tribe plays KC again. Only 2.5 games back if they hang on tonight. We may see a change there as well in a few days.

[McLegend]

Ryan Howard is the man

[The Miz]

KC is playing better and Twins still have a AAA offense. I like the White Sox to win the division but by 1.5 or so

[Joey Slugs]

god tonight sucked.

what a difference a day makes.

[BCWWF]

Radke and Stewart are both done playing, but the White Sox aren't going to walk over the Twins, they have to face Santana, who always dominates, and they haven't been playing superb ball lately either...

[BCWWF]

Needless to say, I think the White Sox will still make the playoffs as well, because either the Yankees or Red Sox is going to lose that last series, and with a race this close it will be hard to make the playoffs while losing the final series.

[RP]

My gut feeling says the Houston Astro's are gunna be the Champs this year. Mark it down.

[VonErich Lives]

Oh how things have changed.

First. Place.

Fenway Park 9/30-10/2 Best of 3, Winner take all, Looser goes home.

Well, at least after tonight the "1/2 game" will be done.

The Sox get a well needed night off. 30 games in 30 days, I think they went like 17-13.

Yanks are finishing the season with 20 in a row.

The sox have one of, if not the best home record this year? (thought I heard they had the best)

Sox have last 7 at home, Yanks have last 7 on the road.

Sox in Baltimore, then Toronto and NYY at home.
NYY Host Toronto and in Baltimore and at Boston.

This is gonna be fun.

I hope they go into it tied, wanna see a "best of 3".

[VonErich Lives]

Oh how things have changed.

First. Place.

Fenway Park 9/30-10/2 Best of 3, Winner take all, Looser goes home.

Well, at least after tonight the "1/2 game" will be done.

The Sox get a well needed night off. 30 games in 30 days, I think they went like 17-13.

Yanks are finishing the season with 20 in a row.

The sox have one of, if not the best home record this year? (thought I heard they had the best)

Sox have last 7 at home, Yanks have last 7 on the road.

Sox in Baltimore, then Toronto and NYY at home.
NYY Host Toronto and in Baltimore and at Boston.

This is gonna be fun.

I hope they go into it tied, wanna see a "best of 3".

[BCWWF]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2168811

I like the first paragraph

[VonErich Lives]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2168811

I like the first paragraph

16 less HR's, 40 less RBI's then David Ortiz.

He does have a BA .08 better then Ortiz.

If there's enough problems giving it to Ortiz cause he's a DH, how do you give it to a DH with worse stats?

[The Miz]

16 less HR's, 40 less RBI's then David Ortiz.

He does have a BA .08 better then Ortiz.

If there's enough problems giving it to Ortiz cause he's a DH, how do you give it to a DH with worse stats?
VEL seriously this is one of your dumbest, least thought out posts ever. Did you ever think that it's possible that Ortiz could have a few more at-bats than Hafner? Because he has 115 more. If Hafner had 115 more AB's, don't you think he just might have more RBI's? Did you consider any stats other than the 3 listed, all 3 completely useless?

Some other stats
OPS
David Ortiz: 1.012
Travis Hafner: 1.008

OBP
DO: .396
TH: .412

Ortiz has better HR/PA and is a better power hitter. Should we give him the MVP because of that? If their OPS are identical why does it matter? And Ortiz plays in the park that was rated #1 in Park Factor for Hitters last year while Hafner plays in #25.

But more importantly, where would the Indians be without Hafner? Where would the Red Sox be without Ortiz? It's safe to say the Red Sox would be in much better shape Ortiz-less. They would be worse obviously but they still have Damon, Manny, Renteria, etc. Who anchors Cleveland's offense without Hafner? He is their best power threat and only legitamate #4 hitter. Without him, they would not be anywhere near the White Sox or the Wild Card.

Hafner gets my MVP vote before Ortiz.

[CNM]

Hafner is obviously the man but I think you're understating how clutch Ortiz has been for the Red Sox. Yes, without him they'd still have Manny, Damon, etc. but none of those guys have been nearly as clutch. My vote would rest on who gets his team into the playoffs.

[CNM]

Before people go off on me, I'd vote for A-Rod if the Yanks get into the playoffs before both Ortiz and Hafner.

[BCWWF]

A-Rod is probably still my guy too, but that was just an interesting article.

[The Outlaw]

Yeah Hafner has been unbelievable. I was very surprised he wasn't listed in the MVP talks. If he would have been healthy all year, we might not be having this "debate".

[McLegend]

Phillies down by 1 in the Wildcard :cool:

[VonErich Lives]

VEL seriously this is one of your dumbest, least thought out posts ever. Did you ever think that it's possible that Ortiz could have a few more at-bats than Hafner? Because he has 115 more. If Hafner had 115 more AB's, don't you think he just might have more RBI's? Did you consider any stats other than the 3 listed, all 3 completely useless?

Some other stats
OPS
David Ortiz: 1.012
Travis Hafner: 1.008

OBP
DO: .396
TH: .412

Ortiz has better HR/PA and is a better power hitter. Should we give him the MVP because of that? If their OPS are identical why does it matter? And Ortiz plays in the park that was rated #1 in Park Factor for Hitters last year while Hafner plays in #25.

But more importantly, where would the Indians be without Hafner? Where would the Red Sox be without Ortiz? It's safe to say the Red Sox would be in much better shape Ortiz-less. They would be worse obviously but they still have Damon, Manny, Renteria, etc. Who anchors Cleveland's offense without Hafner? He is their best power threat and only legitamate #4 hitter. Without him, they would not be anywhere near the White Sox or the Wild Card.

Hafner gets my MVP vote before Ortiz.

Yep, missed looking at the AB's assumed with his name coming up he had played all year. The fact that he didn't does change the numbers but it also changes his qualification for MVP.

Simply, he hasn't been there all season to help his team.

Ortiz does and has put the sox over the top, he Wins games for them all the time, and not the "8-0 garbage time home run".

That being said, as much as I'd lover to give it to Ortiz, I'd still now give the nod to A-rod because of the field play.

So they vote when the season is over, if the AL East comes down to the last 3 games, and A-rod or Ortiz his 1 or 2 game winnng HR's think that will influence people?

[VonErich Lives]

Before people go off on me, I'd vote for A-Rod if the Yanks get into the playoffs before both Ortiz and Hafner.

What if the Yanks don't? If they miss the playoffs would you still vote for him?

[VonErich Lives]

So, what happens in a multie tie?

I've heard a few rumors but not an exact rule.

Let's say the Sox and Yanks tie for the AL East
The Indians and White Sox Tie for the AL Central.

The 4 teams have the same records.

I've heard 2 things.

1) The 2 divison teams play each other in a playoff to decide the Divison, and then losers then play each other for the Wild Card.

2) The divison is decided by head to head record and the two non-div winners play each other for the Wild Card.

Anyone have more info?

[The Miz]

Yep, missed looking at the AB's assumed with his name coming up he had played all year. The fact that he didn't does change the numbers but it also changes his qualification for MVP.

Simply, he hasn't been there all season to help his team.



That is ridiculous. Hafner can't help that he was injured.

So if Ortiz missed 2 weeks and Hafner played the whole season you would give the MVP to Hafner before Ortiz, right VEL? Of course not, that argument is retarded.

Both are excellent candidates but the Indians are barely a .500 they'd be much better off than Cleveland.

Hafner Sept numbers: 10, 24, 1.203
Ortiz Sept numbers: 10, 22, 1.152

[BCWWF]

You don't have to play the whole season to be considered. Shannon Stewart got votes when he was on the Twins for a half season because he singlehanded brought them back into the playoff race. The Red Sox aren't some magnificent powerhouse this season, just because Ortiz has good numbers doesn't automatically make him the MVP.

[VonErich Lives]

That is ridiculous. Hafner can't help that he was injured.

So if Ortiz missed 2 weeks and Hafner played the whole season you would give the MVP to Hafner before Ortiz, right VEL? Of course not, that argument is retarded.

Both are excellent candidates but the Indians are barely a .500 they'd be much better off than Cleveland.

Hafner Sept numbers: 10, 24, 1.203
Ortiz Sept numbers: 10, 22, 1.152

No Miz, your math is retarded.

1) 115 AB's in 2 weeks, that's one hell of a 2 weeks, Did they play triple headers?

2) He's having a better Sept, a month that isn't over and a last I checked the season started in April?

You don't have to play the whole season to be considered. Shannon Stewart got votes when he was on the Twins for a half season because he singlehanded brought them back into the playoff race. The Red Sox aren't some magnificent powerhouse this season, just because Ortiz has good numbers doesn't automatically make him the MVP.


I never said he shouldn't be considered, I said I'd give it to Ortiz or A-rod before him.

getting "some votes" doesn't mean he won MVP and doesn't mean in my opinion he should be, nor does it mean he deserves it more then Ortiz or A-rod.

You're right, the Red Sox aren't some magnificent powerhouse, which is more the reason for Ortiz.

Hey, you guys have your opinions, I have mine.

While September is a huge month, what A-rod had better numbers then he has now, same team, except say A-rod has 5-10 more HR's, 20 more RBI's and oh yeah, the Yanks are 10 games up and already clinched?

So are you two now telling me if your not in a "tight pennent race" you can't be MVP?

If you don't help your team into the playoffs you can't be MVP?

[The Miz]

No Miz, your math is retarded.

1) 115 AB's in 2 weeks, that's one hell of a 2 weeks, Did they play triple headers?

2) He's having a better Sept, a month that isn't over and a last I checked the season started in April?

This is a joke, right VEL? Are you actually this dumb? Have you ever looked up stats or facts or anything to back up what you are talking about?

TRAVIS HAFNER MISSED TWO WEEKS DUE TO INJURY. THAT IS AN UNDISPUTABLE FACT. A 5 minute search of MLB.com or ESPN will find this to be true. Obviously not all of the 115 AB's came in those 2 weeks, he has had various days off throughout the season. Boston also has a better offense than Cleveland, hence more AB's for their hitters.

THE WHOLE POINT OF THE SEPTEMBER NUMBERS WAS THAT THEY ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL. Hafner does not have "better numbers". 2 more RBI's and about .100 higher OPS. Ortiz can co 4-4 HR 2B tomorrow and surpass Hafner's numbers. Hafner and Ortiz are both having amazing Septembers, the most important month. Yes, the season does start in April. I already posted their season stats which you ignored.

Are you ok VEL?

[VonErich Lives]

This is a joke, right VEL? Are you actually this dumb? Have you ever looked up stats or facts or anything to back up what you are talking about?

TRAVIS HAFNER MISSED TWO WEEKS DUE TO INJURY. THAT IS AN UNDISPUTABLE FACT. A 5 minute search of MLB.com or ESPN will find this to be true. Obviously not all of the 115 AB's came in those 2 weeks, he has had various days off throughout the season. Boston also has a better offense than Cleveland, hence more AB's for their hitters.

THE WHOLE POINT OF THE SEPTEMBER NUMBERS WAS THAT THEY ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL. Hafner does not have "better numbers". 2 more RBI's and about .100 higher OPS. Ortiz can co 4-4 HR 2B tomorrow and surpass Hafner's numbers. Hafner and Ortiz are both having amazing Septembers, the most important month. Yes, the season does start in April. I already posted their season stats which you ignored.

Are you ok VEL?

I'm fine, clearly being a Seattle fan has you confused about sports.

You brought up the 115 AB and the 2 weeks.

Yes, September CAN be important, but what if a team is in a crappy divison and has things wrapped up by September 1st and their star player leads the league or top 3 in offense, good defense even gold glove and has won many games with his offense. Does that player not get MVP because they maybe had a bad September when there was nothing on the line?

Really, keep repeating yourself all you want, I understand you don't have much to talk about with the Mariners, Seahawks, Sonics... So, keep going.

But I still give the award to Ortiz or A-rod before Hafner.

[The Miz]

I'm fine, clearly being a Seattle fan has you confused about sports.

What does Seattle have to do with anything? I love when posters are clearly losing arguments to me and start to talk about the Mariners even if there is no relation.

You brought up the 115 AB and the 2 weeks.

Let's break this down:
1. David Ortiz has 115 more at bats than Travis Hafner.
2. Travis Hafner missed 2 weeks in July with a face injury. This missed time cause him to miss probably 50-60 at bats.
3. Travis Hafner has had several days off throughout the season which has caused him to have even less at-bats than Ortiz.
4. Nowhere did I state that all of 115 at-bats came in the 2 weeks. You assumed that, then put your brain on double-duty and made a clever crack about triple headers.
5. Part of your argument for Ortiz being better was that he had more HR's and RBI's. By your logic, Brad Wilkerson has been a better power hitter than Barry Bonds this year.
6. I then brought up the stats OBP and OPS which are averages and therefore not penalizing to someone with less AB's. You had no response to these stats.
7. You stated that you would give it to Ortiz over Hafner because "[Hafner] has not been there all year to help his team". I asked you this question: If David Ortiz missed 2 weeks due to injury like Travis Hafner had, would you then select Travis Hafner as your MVP? Would you consider Ortiz not a worthy candidate because he wasn't there all year to help his team? I'm still waiting for an answer.

Yes, September CAN be important, but what if a team is in a crappy divison and has things wrapped up by September 1st and their star player leads the league or top 3 in offense, good defense even gold glove and has won many games with his offense. Does that player not get MVP because they maybe had a bad September when there was nothing on the line?

This applies to neither Hafner, Ortiz, nor Rodriguez so I'm not sure why you're asking me this but I'll answer anyway. I would vote a guy MVP if he had a shitty September but his team had wrapeed up the division like then, but only if he was the catalyst when the team took the huge lead. If the Red Sox had a 15 game lead on the Yankees entering Sept and Ortiz hit .210 in Sept I would not take it away from him, granted that he had a monster stretch and led the team when Boston got that 15 game lead.

Really, keep repeating yourself all you want, I understand you don't have much to talk about with the Mariners, Seahawks, Sonics... So, keep going.

Yawn. Who was better last year, Sonics or Celtics? Yeah. And the Seahawks made the playoffs last year and are in a good position to this year. Am I not entitled to an opinion if 1 of the 3 teams I like is bad? Another failed attempt at being funny with a cheap shot. You are dumb.

[RoXer]

Ffffffuck da Rangers

[The Miz]

lol Buck is an asshole. He rolled over for the Angels and is managing this series like the playoffs because he is an A's hater.

[YOUR Hero]

Miz, that's a shitty thing to say. The players wouldn't respect him and he'd get fired if that were the case. Players don't lie down and if they thought their manager was trying to make them loose they would be a revolt.

[The Miz]

I don't think they were trying to lose. I think they were giving an average effort against the Angels and are trying really hard to beat the A's.

[VonErich Lives]

Am I not entitled to an opinion


Bing, bing, bing... winner...

Give the guy a cupie doll.

You're the jerk who started with the name calling like it somehow made your point, then when I lower to your level and return a few shots you cry. Seriously, do you need a crying towel?

and The Sonics are a good team because they had a better record then the Celtics? So, then that would make the seahawks a bad team because they did worse then the Pats?

Anyway, you finally seemed to find a clue in that quote.

You are entitled to your opinion, which has been my point for the last couple of posts, but you've been too busy trying to take cheap shots and slip in name calling to read what I said.

It's my opinon, I'm not saying he's not qualafied, I'm saying that in my opinion, I'd give it to Ortiz or A-rod before him.

So clearly, since it's not ok for me to have my opinion, then my answer to your question is "NO", you're not entitled to an opinion.

[The Miz]

Where did I "cry" VEL? Combatting your incorrect comments with fact is crying? I guess I've been crying this whole thread then.

and The Sonics are a good team because they had a better record then the Celtics? So, then that would make the seahawks a bad team because they did worse then the Pats?

LOL WHAT? We're talking about the 2005 season right? Do you watch basketball? The Sonics not only had a better record in a much tougher conference but advanced to the second round in said conference. The Celtics were a first round exit against a #6 seed who lacked their best player. Yes, the Sonics were a good team. Not because they had a better record than the Celtics. They won their division and advanced to the second round, losing only to the team that won the NBA Finals. The Sonics were a good team.

I used the words "bad" or "good" nowhere. I simply said that Sonics > Celtics. And obviously Pats > Hawks. That doesn't mean the Hawks were bad they were just much shittier than the Pats.

Yes you're entitled to your opinion, you have provided no support for it which is why you're looking dumb here. You originally said that Hafner had worse stats than Ortiz, then when I provided meaningful stats to combat your pointless ones you didn't respond. Then you said Hafner couldn't be MVP because he wasn't there to help his team. I asked you if Ortiz missed the time Hafner did would you vote for someone else. You didn;t respond to that either.

I'm sure in your response you will flame me or say I'm crying or whatever, but I want to make a special request you answer this question this time. I'll even put it in bold for you.

If David Ortiz missed 2 weeks due to injury like Travis Hafner did, would you then not select Ortiz as your MVP?

We already know you are a homer, but if the answer is no, you are a hypocrite.

[RoXer]

Come on D-Rays

[VonErich Lives]

Really Miz, I think I need to go back to calling you the wiz for awhile, cause you're really to pissy.

you flame me, and then accuse me of it... you make comments then when they're thrown back at you, you dance.

anyway, just so you'll shut up already (christ, you're worse then RP).

If Ortiz & Hafner swapped stats, I would give it to Hafner over Ortiz.

Anything else?

[OssMan]

lol mets are back at 500. GJ

[The Miz]

God Cano is like the shittiest 2B ever. He looks like he could turn out to be a good hitter but he is such a defensive liability it isnt worth it.

[Loose Cannon]

woah, missed a lot of talk in here this weekend.

Yea Cano is a shit 2nd baseman defensively, but the Yanks always seem to attract these guys for some reason. He's gonna be a great hitter though and if they work with him a lot at 2nd, he'll be fine. I just don't understand how you can play professional baseball and be a shit fielder.

Huge loss for the Indians today, Now only .5 ahead in the WC.

[YOUR Hero]

Fucking Cano won it for the Yanks today though. I don't mind the Yankees, I like Jeter, Matsui, Posada, Williams so it's hard to hate them. But this Cano dude, please. :n:

[RoXer]

I pray to whatever god is out there.

I need a sweep.

[RoXer]

:\'(

[RoXer]

:tear:

[RoXer]

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE WHY ISNT THE TEAR EMOTICON WORKING!?!?

:(

[YOUR Hero]

:</>'( = :'(

[McLegend]

Fuck the Phils are done

[The Miz]

Curt Schilling for Cy Young

[Loose Cannon]

lol 17 runs from the O's. Only the fucking Yankees can manage that.

[BCWWF]

Johan will win the Cy, just because he is a force and your favorite pitcher doesn't match up. You can't hate Johan though, you can hate me, but he hasn't dont anything to warrant a bad rep to this point.

In seriousness, when did Colon become good or whatever? He just all of a sudden jumped in as the leader for Cy.

[RoXer]

:'( X 2

[OssMan]

lol Mets in 3rd place, 3.5 back of phillies :o

[Joey Slugs]

all the White Sox have to do tomorrow afternoon is win and they are the 2005 AL Central Champs!

because even if Cleveland wins tomorrow it'll be a 3 game lead with 3 games to go but Chicago has the Head-2-Head tiebreaker. The Indians could sweep the Sox this weekend and tie the division but that head to head makes it impossible for them to take the division outright.

[Joey Slugs]

CHICAGO WHITE SOX:
2005 AL Central Division Champs!!!!

[The Miz]

CHICAGO WHITE SOX:
2005 First Round Exit!!!!

[Joey Slugs]

Miz....

SHUT THE FUCK UP

[David Sutherland]

The Miz tells the truth. :'(

[David Sutherland]

WHAT THE FUCK

[Taker Fan]

What happened to my Marlins? Biggest flop of the 2005 season.

[OssMan]

mets knocked them off

[BCWWF]

I could see the White Sox going to round 2, for some reason I think the playoffs will be White Sox, Indians, Yankees, Angels with the Indians and Yankees in the ALCS. Then again I still don't know hwo the baseball playoffs are drawn so that might not even be plausable.

[Nervous Ferret]

widcard gets seeded #4

3 division winners get sseeded based on record.

[VonErich Lives]

The Miz tells the truth. :'(

Yeah, if anyone knows about winning the division and not getting past the 1st round, it's a Seattle fan. :p

So, Sox v. Yanks... it all comes down to this, and eveyone (me included) was pissed at MLB when the season started for putting these games at the end "it will be decided by then, this wont matter".

So, The yanks need 2 out of 3 to clinch.

The sox need 2 out of 3 to force a tie, 3 out of 3 to take the division.

Now, if I understand correctly, if the Sox and Yanks tie, but Cleveland has a worse record, there is no playoff, the divison goes to the team with the better head to head (which would be the Yankees) and the WC goes to the other team, they don't have a playoff when both teams would make it.

Oh yeah and Papi for MVP! :)

[Loose Cannon]

Boston Suckssssssssssssssssss Part 2

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3721/bostonsucks4ov.jpg

[YOUR Hero]

I wish the Jays would have won last night. Oh well, should make for some good ball this weekend. Go Yankees.

[BCWWF]

Is that Harmon Killabrew in the back?

[The Icon of Elisim]

Theres an article at ESPN insider explaining the situation

Red Sox swept by Yankees
Indians win 0: Red Sox-Indians playoff
Indians win 1: Indians win wild card
Indians win 2: Indians win wild card
Indians win 3: Indians win wild card

Red Sox win 1
Indians win 0: Sox win wild card
Indians win 1: Sox-Indians playoff
Indians win 2: Indians win wild card
Indians win 3: Indians win wild card

Red Sox win 2
Indians win 0: Red Sox win wild card
Indians win 1: Red Sox win wild card
Indians win 2: Red Sox-Yankees-Indians playoff
Indians win 3: Indians win wild card, Red Sox-Yankees playoff

Red Sox sweep Yankees
Indians win 0: Red Sox win East, Yankees win wild card
Indians win 1: Red Sox win East, Indians-Yankees playoff
Indians win 2: Red Sox win East, Indians win wild card
Indians win 3: Red Sox win East, Indians win wild card

[Loose Cannon]

In the back where? On the big poster it's Babe Ruth. That poster is fucking awesome. It's a huge map with all the teams (at the time: 1990) logos on thier respective states and it has a few statistics for each team. Has some old statdium pictures at the top and has these art like player pictures all over the place. You can see the Twins logo from that pic :naughty:

The other pictures are all Yankees. From Top Left clockwise

Marris, Gehrig, Mantle and Munson

[Loose Cannon]

Here's a bigger picture of it.

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2165/map4jp.jpg

I've had it since I was a kid.

[VonErich Lives]

There's a guy near work sells shirt and hats and stuff outside, always has shirts like the kid with a sox shirt pissing on a yankee hat, or "make the world a better place, punch a yankee fan in the face". His new sign is "The Yankees don't suck, their fans do".

Today he had a bunch of Yankee hats in the road like a speed bump and was yelling at people to drive over them.

Really funny, some guys I know who are Yankee fans drive by and he gets all riled up, has those big foam hands and taped them so it's giving the finger and when he sees them, he put them on and flips them off.

I just get a laugh when people take it too seriously!

[McLegend]

Phillies still in it only one game back :cool:

[Rain Man]

Yeahh Legend not the biggest baseball fan but it would be cool to see the Phillies make the playoffs. Just need the Cubs to win.

BTW Peter Gammons is such a faggot

[BCWWF]

You have two statements that take away significant credibility points.

1. The Cubs?

2. Peter Gammons could kick your ass

[VonErich Lives]

RED SOX WIN!

I think they drop today like 2-1, and who knows on Sunday, depends on which Schilling and which Musinna show up.

Wait, Cleveland lost? The team "no one wants to face in the playoffs"?

The "hottest team in baseball"

Lost in 13 innings to the reserves?

Plus the white sox had to use 8 pitchers, including their closer for 2IP?

LMFAO...

Sox win, and Clevland lost, and the white sox didn't get all the rest they wanted!

[RP]

Yankees are gunna hand your shit to you these next to games. You better hope the White Sox decide to even show up period.

[VonErich Lives]

Yankees are gunna hand your shit to you these next to games. You better hope the White Sox decide to even show up period.

How's your team doing? Oh yeah, Indy doesn't have one. :D

[The Miz]

You have two statements that take away significant credibility points.

1. The Cubs?


Cubs are playing the Astros

[YOUR Hero]

The Tribe is fading.

[Jinx Chaos]

CHICAGO WHITE SOX:
2005 AL Central Division Champs!!!!
That's awssome that the White Sox are the Central division champs.:)

[Loose Cannon]

Yanks made some shit mistakes last night. god, I hate watching them when they play like crap. Just makes me mad. Hopefully they can just get 1 game over the next two. And hopefully The Chi Sox will beat the Tribe at least once more.

[VonErich Lives]

I've had the game on the radio, didn't think Wake would get hit this hard, figured it would be a close game.

Anyway, so tomorrow you could have both teams the winner and loser celebrating a playoff birth :)

So, if the Sox lose today, then the sox need a win tomorrow, 2 cleveland wins to force a playoff game for the Divison.

I dunno, normally I'd say screw it, just get the WC and get in the playoffs, last year that worked, but this team does really crappy out of Fenway v. in Fenway.

Wouldn't it be great if the playoff game comes down to the last out of the 9th, Belhorn at bat, Stanton pitching :)

[Loose Cannon]

Cleveland is down 4-1 :)

[Loose Cannon]

BTW: I never screamed so loud for a White Sox homerun like I did before.

[Loose Cannon]

fuck 4-3 :(

[Loose Cannon]

lol, Matsui like ran towards the mound

[Loose Cannon]

HOLD THEM CHICAGO

[Loose Cannon]

:love: 4-3 SOX

[The Miz]

Yankees 3 outs away from division

[The Miz]

2 outs

[The Miz]

1..

[The Miz]

suck it Red Sox