Hulkamania, Naitch. Hulkamania.

[Favre4Ever]

In a previous thread, I suggested a match between Orton and Hogan at Wrestlemania 22. I think it would be a good idea, but it was immediatly shot down because, quote," Hogan wouldn't do the job". And I asked why he would have to job to make it a good match. Not suggesting he should or shouldn't, just asking why. And of course, the rolling of eyes started.

I would bet you that even if I would have said Eugene, or Rob Conway, everybody would have said the same thing. Thats such bullshit. So because Hogans the past, and Ortons the "future", theres no way Hogan should be allowed to win? What about Austin? Or the Rock? Flair? How about HBK?

Don't tell me the difference between those guys and Hogan is that they have talent. Something that a lot of people in here don't seem to grasp is that to the guys upstairs, talent isn't the biggest part of the equation! It's REACTION!! Do you know why Hogan gets ten to fifteen minutes for a pose down? REACTION!! People like Hulk Hogan! I don't give a shit if they're marks or not. He's an icon, and when he comes out, the crowd goes nuts. He doesn't need to have more than three moves. Wanna know why? Because hes Hulk Hogan, and hes a symbol of the business. Everybody knows who Hulk Hogan is. How would know Christian, or Edge, or Shelton Benjamin, or even Randy Orton, if you just brought them up out of nowhere?

Hulk Hogan definitly has many character flaws in his personal life. He's way past his prime. Hes 52 years old. He's slow. He can only wrestle so often because of the state of his body. He only uses a couple moves a match, and usually over and over again. And yet, he gets bigger reactions than anybody in the WWE. People want to see Hulk Hogan. Check the Summerslam buyrate for some evidence.

Don't tell me that Orton has to win for it to be a good match. Randy Orton would be lucky to even have his NAME next to Hulk Hogan, let alone be in a ring with him.

[JH]

yea check summerslam when hbk carried the old man

[James Steele]

The ONLY reason Hulk Hogan is so big because he was in the right place at the right time.

[The Naitch]

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[Jaton]

Mine was better. :|

[Favre4Ever]

I never said HBK didnt carry him. I even said he wasnt a good wrestler anymore. But get this- hes HULK HOGAN.

Hey James-congratulations!! Your right!!! And so what? Wasn't Rock in the right place at the right time? How about Austin? In fact, you could use that argument for ANYTHING thats happened EVER.

[Jaton]

Glass ceiling'd.

[James Steele]

No, Hulk Hogan could have easily been replaced by anybody.

[Favre4Ever]

Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that he's where he is now. "Could have " is the key phrase here.

[James Steele]

Yeah, but that also doesn't change the fact that he fucking sucks.

[Favre4Ever]

Yeah, he fucking sucks. And the great part is that it doesnt matter, because the crowds love him anyways.

[The One]

hulkamania320, are you a Ultimate Warrior mark too?

[James Steele]

Yeah, he fucking sucks. And the great part is that it doesnt matter, because the crowds love him anyways.

For a few weeks until they realize that he sucks.

[Destor]

:lol:

[Favre4Ever]

Haha, few weeks? Been a little bit longer than that, big guy.

[Favre4Ever]

No, not an ultimate warrior mark.

[The One]

Why not? He is a symbol? He made millions. He always got huge reactions and at times bigger then Hogan's. So why not love him too?

[Favre4Ever]

Because I wasn't watching wrestling when Ultimate Warrior was around.

[The One]

Your a Hogan mark...who wasn't around in '92?

[Destor]

Hogan took what I loved, WRESTLING, and turned it into SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. Hogan killed the sport and turned it into a joke. He doesn't deserve the accolades he gets, Ric Flair deserves those accolades. Hogan did nothing but play to little kids and an over patriotic society. Those kids grew up and are the ones who praise him now, strictly out out of nostalgia. The guy couldn't wrestle in his prime and cant now, he is a hell of a draw, but that is all he has going for him. In closing :foc: HOGAN!

[Loose Cannon]

lol, I can't wait to tear that argument apart. It's 12am right now though. I'll do it in the morning.

[Favre4Ever]

I understand what your saying Destor, and i'm not gonna sit here and mock you for how you feel about the past. Its funny that how when I try to argue my point it about Hogan it always starts getting personal.

James was right when he said that anybody could have been Hulk Hogan, but it turned out to be Terry Bollea.

I think that the reason Flair doesn't get the accolades Hogan gets is because hes been an active wrestler for almost four years, and doesn't seem as special to a lot of fans.

And personally, I think you should take most of those frustrations out on Vince Mcmahon than Hulk Hogan.

[James Steele]

Vince McMahon made Hulk Hogan only learn to do 3 moves and a posedown in the past 20 years? Vince McMahon made Hulk Hogan politic his way into the spotlight all the fucking time and pissing on people with legitimate talent and a TRUE passion for professional wrestling? No, Hulk Hogan is the worthless son of a bitch.

[James Steele]

Also, Hulk Hogan would have been NOTHING without Roddy Piper.

[James Steele]

Without Roddy Piper in the WWF, we'd be watching NWA.

[The One]

Also, Hulk Hogan would have been NOTHING without Roddy Piper.

Bingo! And Terry could not be any less greatful.

[Destor]

I can respect that fact you like Hogan for his drawing power, thats understandable. But to say he shouldn't have to loose is bogus. He is a hasbeen, it doesnt say much about your talent to have them job to yesterday's top dog.

[Destor]

Without Roddy Piper in the WWF, we'd be watching NWA.
Lets not forget Sgt. Slaughter and the Iron Shiek. Oh yeah and Rocky II.

[James Steele]

People wanted to see Piper get his ass kicked at WrestleMania I, and if WM I had flopped so would have WWF.

[Favre4Ever]

I didn't say he shouldn't have to lose. That is what this entire thing is all about. I said that it doesn't make it a bad match if Hogan doesn't lose. I've said over and over again that it shouldn't matter who wins it, so much as the match itself happens. But Randy Orton doesn't absolutely positively HAVE to win the match, as has been suggested.

[Favre4Ever]

I already mentioned Hogans character flaws, and those are all some of them. But Vince Mcmahon created this entire thing, so he gets his share of blame.

[Schoenauer]

Orton = Legend Killer
Hogan = Legend who refuses to be killed

Why should it happen if we all know that Hogan will once again emerge victorious through a match the guy needs to be carried through?

[James Steele]

You see, Hulk Hogan doesn't have enough skill in his fake-tanned body to put somebody over without doing the job.

[Destor]

Which is why he would have to job.

[.44 Magdalene]

Hogan winning wouldn't make it a bad match.

It would just make it MOTHER FUCKING POINTLESS. Hogan's too god damn old to be wrestling much longer. Any wrestling he does should serve a direct purpose in furthering the product while he still can. He doesn't need to go over. He doesn't need to have himself pushed. He's already at the peak of overness. He's mother fucking Hulk Hogan, he needs to let Orton go over so Orton can have as much behind him as he can. Why the FUCK would you let Hogan win? What's the point? It'd probably be a lame ass match to begin with, don't retard it up by having it lose what little purpose it'd have to begin with: Making Orton look more bad ass.

Orton has every reason in the world to win.

Hogan has no reason to win.

Period.

[Joey Slugs]

Hogan winning wouldn't make it a bad match.

It would just make it MOTHER FUCKING POINTLESS. Hogan's too god damn old to be wrestling much longer. Any wrestling he does should serve a direct purpose in furthering the product while he still can. He doesn't need to go over. He doesn't need to have himself pushed. He's already at the peak of overness. He's mother fucking Hulk Hogan, he needs to let Orton go over so Orton can have as much behind him as he can. Why the FUCK would you let Hogan win? What's the point? It'd probably be a lame ass match to begin with, don't retard it up by having it lose what little purpose it'd have to begin with: Making Orton look more bad ass.

Orton has every reason in the world to win.

Hogan has no reason to win.

Period.

Amen.

Not only all of that, but if you include the "Legend Killer" gimmick....

Hogan would be the biggest win in Orton's career, not the other way around. How amazing would it be for Orton to cut a promo the SD! after WM22 and stake his claim in defeating the biggest legend of them all.

Somthing no one else has been able to do. No one. Orton killed Hulkamania once and for all. All Hogan has to do is lay down one last time and go out with his name remembered and his head held high because he added to a MONSTER over gimmick.

[Joey Slugs]

I already mentioned Hogans character flaws, and those are all some of them. But Vince Mcmahon created this entire thing, so he gets his share of blame.

How long will it take before Terry Bolea pulls an Ultimate Warrior and legally changes his name to Hulk Hogan. We all know that Vince helped create this monster but does Terry even know where the character begins and ends anymore?

I mean, come on, his family refers to themselves as the "Hogan" family. It's NOT their name.

[Xero]

How long will it take before Terry Bolea pulls an Ultimate Warrior and legally changes his name to Hulk Hogan. We all know that Vince helped create this monster but does Terry even know where the character begins and ends anymore?

I mean, come on, his family refers to themselves as the "Hogan" family. It's NOT their name.
Hogan actually owns the rights to his name.

Anyway, if Hogan went over someone, ANYONE at this point, without coming back and jobbing back to that wrestler, what would be the point? Hogan doesn't need to be put over anymore. He's over. And he always will be. But the fact is that if Hogan goes over someone like Orton, it will really hurt him. Someone like Michaels, who has backstage pull and is very over with the fans, wouldn't be as affected by jobbing as someone like Orton.

What would Hogan get out of beating Orton? What would be the point? Hogan would still be over if he lost, and Orton would be put over HUGE. There is nothing more Hogan needs to do in wrestling. Let him job to a few of the new talents TO GET THEM OVER and walk out. Don't let him hog the spotlight like he has for the past 20 or so years.

And notice that I didn't mention any of Hogan's politicking, which is also a big factor in why he's an asshole and shouldn't go over.

[Favre4Ever]

Ok, Schoenauer, but your missing the point here. The ending of the match is up in the air. I will not want to see this match if I know before hand that Orton is going over, or if Hulk Hogan is going to win again. That takes the match out of it and just leaves you bitter.

Xero, the list of wrestlers that don't need to go over that keep going over has a whole lot more names on it than just Hulk Hogan. And if Randy Ortons character could take losing to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, he could take losing to Hogan. Not that he SHOULD lose. I just suggested that it would be a good match to see, NO MATTER WHO WON OR LOSE. It is bullshit to say that it isn't a good match if Hullk Hogan wins, or if Randy Orton wins. Damn.

[Londoner]

Ok, Schoenauer, but your missing the point here. The ending of the match is up in the air. I will not want to see this match if I know before hand that Orton is going over, or if Hulk Hogan is going to win again. That takes the match out of it and just leaves you bitter.

Xero, the list of wrestlers that don't need to go over that keep going over has a whole lot more names on it than just Hulk Hogan. And if Randy Ortons character could take losing to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, he could take losing to Hogan. Not that he SHOULD lose. I just suggested that it would be a good match to see, NO MATTER WHO WON OR LOSE. It is bullshit to say that it isn't a good match if Hullk Hogan wins, or if Randy Orton wins. Damn.


Holy shit, the logic you're using is unbelievably flawed.Let me make this clear for you.You're missing the point. The finish would have to be Orton going over Hogan, because that would put Orton over massively and would fit in with his gimmick aswell as giving Hogan a good way to leave the WWE.

On your second point, the last thing Orton needs is losing to Hogan after he lost to taker. I don't even understand why they made him job to Taker,that has killed some of his heat, and if he los tto Hogan, his legend killer gimmick would be dead because he hasn't 'killed off' hogan or taker.You know damn well that Hogan can't put on a decent wrestling match to save his life, it's the same stuf feverytime.You know why he does those poses after the match?So everyone can forget what a shit match it was.

[Xero]

Xero, the list of wrestlers that don't need to go over that keep going over has a whole lot more names on it than just Hulk Hogan. And if Randy Ortons character could take losing to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, he could take losing to Hogan. Not that he SHOULD lose. I just suggested that it would be a good match to see, NO MATTER WHO WON OR LOSE. It is bullshit to say that it isn't a good match if Hullk Hogan wins, or if Randy Orton wins. Damn.
You're right about a lot of the names going over who shouldn't. Undertaker, Triple H, Flair, even Michaels to an extent (although he jobs more than he wins it seems)... I don't think anyone is going to argue with you. And that's ANOTHER point, NONE of these wrestlers should be winning matchs just because it would 'hurt their legacy' if they job once in a while in a big match.

Orton should have NEVER lost to The Undertaker, and that's coming from an Undertaker mark. It was stupid and pointless, even if Orton was going to be out for a few months. They could have had him win and the Undertaker could have destroyed him and put him on the shelf storyline-wise. It hurt Orton a lot more than it helped him.

You're right, it doesn't matter who wins or loses a match. It depends on if the match is GOOD and/or watchable. Hogan's matches do not fall into either of those categories. For example, I don't care if Shawn Michaels OR Kurt Angle wins at Homecoming, the fact is that it's going to be a GREAT match.

And just for the record, Ric Flair has no business holding any title at this stage in his career.

[Destor]

I don't even know what is being argued any more. Other Hulkadouche trying to convince everyone he isn't a Hogan mark by being a mark.

[redoneja]

Also, Hulk Hogan would have been NOTHING without Roddy Piper.

Steve Austin would have been nothing without McMahon, Rock/HHH would have been nothing without each other, Raven would be nothing without Dreamer, etc, etc. Everyone had a foil that they needed to get over. The only wrestler that I can think of that didn't need an opponet to get over and draw would be Andre the Giant.


I understand why Hogan shouldn't win and should job to Orton in the aforementioned hypothetical match, but to say that Hogan was worthless or could be replaced by anyone is absurd. In fact, Vince tried that once with a guy called.....The Ultimate Warrior!! NOBODY could have replaced Hogan at that time, NOBODY. Hogan got over for his prescence and charisma, not for his wrestling ability. Flair didn't outdraw him, Piper didn't, Hart didn't, Michaels didn't. Nobody did. Who would you have put to replace Hogan?? Piper? No. Flair? Maybe, if you could lure him away from the NWA. Randy Savage? Never reached Hogan's height.

The way I see it, we should be glad Hogan did what he did for pro-wrestling. He brought consistent mainstream crossover appeal to WWE(F) and professional wrestling as a whole. Sure people wanted to see Piper get his ass kicked, but they wanted Hogan to kick it. Mania would not have been as big a success w/o Hulk Hogan. Hogan drew people in. And once people were drawn in, they were introduced to guys like Bret Hart, Jake Roberts, Shawn Michaels, Randy Savage, etc. Without Hogan this business would not be where it is today.

Also, I want to say that I am not a Hogan mark. If you want to call me a mark for a wrestler then call me a Bret Hart mark. But as great as Hart was, he didn't draw as much money or interest in the business as Hogan. I am simply recognizing he contribution to pro-wrestling as a whole. Its simple, Destor, people didnt want to see wrestling, they wanted sports-entertainment. That's promotions like RoH wont ever get mainstream appeal. People know its not a real sport, and want it to be treated accordingly. If you payed attention to any of my previous posts on TPWW, then you know I prefer RoH style pure wrestling, but its the simple truth.

[Jaton]

Warrior COULD'VE been bigger than Hogan. He was just a lunatic.

[ThruTheWire]

I said that it doesn't make it a bad match if Hogan doesn't lose.


But the problem is... it does. It hold's down the talent. If Hogan loses, then it puts over some lucky guy. If Hogan win's, it basically does nothing for no one. He shows up every few months, wins all his matches, leaves, comes back for "one more match", wins 5 more... it's crap. When Hogan wins, we all lose.

[Jaton]

Give it a few years and let Orton get to be big. I bet he'll be the next big politicker.

[Favre4Ever]

Yeah, Orton should win the match. It would help his gimmick out a lot. But its not do or die for him, no matter how you try to put it.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Hogan winning serves NO purpose. He's already over, and he won't stick around. If Orton wins, it's a big elevation. What sounds better " I beat Hogan." Or " I almost beat Hogan." Which is going to be taken more seriously? Also, It's not exactly believable that Hogan wins anymore.

[redoneja]

Actually if you look at the last couple times Hogan has jobbed, nothing much has come out or it.

When The Rock beat him at WM18, Hogan ended up getting the title shot at the next PPV. Both Hogan and Rock were put over through this match. He then won the match and jobbed at Judgement Day to the Undertaker...but McMahon interfered so we wont count that one.

When Hogan jobbed to Kurt Angle at King of the Ring 2002.....wait Hogan jobbed to Angle at KotR?? Yeah he did, too bad its never mentioned.

Hogan then jobbed to Lesnar on Smackdown in August 2003. This was a pointless job IMO. Lesnar was already the number one contender, and he was pretty much guaranteed to win at Summerslam 02 vs The Rock. Sure, Lesnar went over but Hogan returned in the spring and they never mentioned it again. Pointless.

He then lost The Rock again....big whoop he got "screwed" by Vinnie Mac, so it wasnt really a clean job.

Every time Hogan jobs, it isn't talked about much longer than 3 weeks. They need to push the fact that Angle made Hogan TAP OUT a couple years ago!!! If this match goes forward, Hogan SHOULD job CLEANLY, but it wont do Orton any good unless they keep acknowledging he won.

[kinglacoste]

whithout HOGAN there would be no TPWW.NET
Vince makes soooooooooooo much money off Hulk still to this day. hes got to be doing something right. Other then Flair nobody else is even close. People hate on Hulk because they think its cool. Everybody on this board would flip out if they got a chance to meet him. Face it, Hogan still rules!

[Nervous Ferret]

rawr

[KingofOldSchool]

I'm awating LC's reply.

[The One]

Me too...where is Loosey?

[redoneja]

Me too...where is Loosey?


Im getting worried guys.

[Destor]

Steve Austin would have been nothing without McMahon, Rock/HHH would have been nothing without each other, Raven would be nothing without Dreamer, etc, etc. Everyone had a foil that they needed to get over. The only wrestler that I can think of that didn't need an opponet to get over and draw would be Andre the Giant.

There is a lot of truth there, any face is only as good as his opponent.

I understand why Hogan shouldn't win and should job to Orton in the aforementioned hypothetical match, but to say that Hogan was worthless or could be replaced by anyone is absurd. In fact, Vince tried that once with a guy called.....The Ultimate Warrior!! NOBODY could have replaced Hogan at that time, NOBODY. Hogan got over for his presence and charisma, not for his wrestling ability. Flair didn't outdraw him, Piper didn't, Hart didn't, Michaels didn't. Nobody did. Who would you have put to replace Hogan?? Piper? No. Flair? Maybe, if you could lure him away from the NWA. Randy Savage? Never reached Hogan's height.

As far as the Warrior bit goes the goofy mother fucker would have been bigger if he wasn't such a nut.

The way I see it, we should be glad Hogan did what he did for pro-wrestling. He brought consistent mainstream crossover appeal to WWE(F) and professional wrestling as a whole. Sure people wanted to see Piper get his ass kicked, but they wanted Hogan to kick it. Mania would not have been as big a success w/o Hulk Hogan. Hogan drew people in. And once people were drawn in, they were introduced to guys like Bret Hart, Jake Roberts, Shawn Michaels, Randy Savage, etc. Without Hogan this business would not be where it is today.

Again your right. Provided Vince didn't get another wrestler to star in an A list movie and then push him to the moon no one could have took wrestling to where he did. The problem is that this thread isn't about his contributions to the business, there are many. Its why wouldn't he have to job to younger talent (in this case Orton.) But I could give a rats ass about the mainstream audience. That audience wants crap, I want a 4* wrestling match. I blame Hogan for not having that twice a month.

Also, I want to say that I am not a Hogan mark. If you want to call me a mark for a wrestler then call me a Bret Hart mark. But as great as Hart was, he didn't draw as much money or interest in the business as Hogan. I am simply recognizing he contribution to pro-wrestling as a whole. Its simple, Destor, people didn't want to see wrestling, they wanted sports-entertainment. That's promotions like RoH wont ever get mainstream appeal. People know its not a real sport, and want it to be treated accordingly. If you payed attention to any of my previous posts on TPWW, then you know I prefer RoH style pure wrestling, but its the simple truth.
If Hogan and/or Vince had cared about wrestling the could of still put on 4*-5* matches in between all there bs Entertainment and salvaged the sport of it. Its not about knowing its fake, its about appreciating the phicology and athleticism of it. Instead of making every single wrestling fan look like a moron.

[redoneja]

Again your right. Provided Vince didn't get another wrestler to star in an A list movie and then push him to the moon no one could have took wrestling to where he did. The problem is that this thread isn't about his contributions to the business, there are many. Its why wouldn't he have to job to younger talent (in this case Orton.) But I could give a rats ass about the mainstream audience. That audience wants crap, I want a 4* wrestling match. I blame Hogan for not having that twice a month.


If Hogan and/or Vince had cared about wrestling the could of still put on 4*-5* matches in between all there bs Entertainment and salvaged the sport of it. Its not about knowing its fake, its about appreciating the phicology and athleticism of it. Instead of making every single wrestling fan look like a moron.


I knew what thread was about, I got a little off topic to address Mr Steele. It just seemed that he doesn't recognize any of Hogan's contributions.


I somewhat agree with your assesment that Hogan and/or Vince could have put 4-5 * matches in there. The only problem I see, is that it was tried. Just look WWE prior to Hulkamania, or even WWE matched up through about 1988. Up until this time, alot of matches were still more wrestling based than entertainment based. The problem is that the actual wrestling couldn't keep the casual fans satisifed. And casuals are where Vince makes the big bucks. There has always been a core audience of fans like us that appreciate the actual wrestling. Unfortunately, the casual fans do not. If you look at any of the boom periods in wrestling, all the way from Gorgeous George's boom thru the Attitude Era, they were boom periods b/c a number of casuals were drawn in by the entertainment value, not the wrestling.

I know this sucks, because I love the drama of the sport not the entertainment. But Vince realized he can make more money by appealing to the casuals instead of just the core auidence of wrestling fanatics. It was a smart business decision, no matter how much I disagree with it.

[Destor]

I knew what thread was about, I got a little off topic to address Mr Steele. It just seemed that he doesn't recognize any of Hogan's contributions.


I somewhat agree with your assesment that Hogan and/or Vince could have put 4-5 * matches in there. The only problem I see, is that it was tried. Just look WWE prior to Hulkamania, or even WWE matched up through about 1988. Up until this time, alot of matches were still more wrestling based than entertainment based. The problem is that the actual wrestling couldn't keep the casual fans satisifed. And casuals are where Vince makes the big bucks. There has always been a core audience of fans like us that appreciate the actual wrestling. Unfortunately, the casual fans do not. If you look at any of the boom periods in wrestling, all the way from Gorgeous George's boom thru the Attitude Era, they were boom periods b/c a number of casuals were drawn in by the entertainment value, not the wrestling.

I know this sucks, because I love the drama of the sport not the entertainment. But Vince realized he can make more money by appealing to the casuals instead of just the core auidence of wrestling fanatics. It was a smart business decision, no matter how much I disagree with it.
We are in complete agreement. And it saddens me :( .

[redoneja]

We are in complete agreement. And it saddens me :( .


:wavesad:


And for me, its a shame that Hogan is taking the brunt of the blame. I think Vince should shoulder more of the blame. Every wrestler didn't need a flashy gimmick, just a couple of the top draws. :nono:

[THENATUREBOY]

All the trash about hogan is stupid. All you people need to respect what hogan has done for the sport. He has brought it to the level that it is today and without him none you would even be watching wrestling. The man deserves your respect, he took wrestling from high school gyms to 20,000 seat arena's. I will agree with you that he doesnt have much wrestling ability, but there are about 3 wrestlers in the business right now that can actually "wrestle". So i really dont understand your point there.

As far as hogan never jobbing i dont understand that either. goldberg, kurt angle, undertaker, brock lesnar, and two of the biggest jobs in history, the rock and the ultimate warrior. Does any of this ring a bell? As far as him not jobbing nowadays, my question is why should he? Im not suggesting he win every match, but for goodness sake's he is HULK HOGAN, why should he job to orton. What has orton ever done and why does he deserve to beat the biggest name in the history of wrestling? I think hogan has jobbed in the past when he should have. He has jobbed to legends. Orton doesnt deserve a win at wrestlemania over hogan, but i would have no problem at all if he jobbed to a legend like steve austin.

So bash hogan and me if you want, call me a hogan mark or whatever, im just stating what i think is true and right. No one could have done with the business what hogan done with it. NOBODY! no one ever again will have the popularity longevity of hulk hogan. And as it has been proved over and over again there will simply never ever be another Michael Jordan, another Jerry Rice, another Babe Ruth, and by hell there will never be another HULK FREAKING HOGAN!

[Destor]

All the trash about hogan is stupid. All you people need to respect what hogan has done for the sport. He has brought it to the level that it is today and without him none you would even be watching wrestling. The man deserves your respect, he took wrestling from high school gyms to 20,000 seat arena's. I will agree with you that he doesnt have much wrestling ability, but there are about 3 wrestlers in the business right now that can actually "wrestle". So i really dont understand your point there.

As far as hogan never jobbing i dont understand that either. goldberg, kurt angle, undertaker, brock lesnar, and two of the biggest jobs in history, the rock and the ultimate warrior. Does any of this ring a bell? As far as him not jobbing nowadays, my question is why should he? Im not suggesting he win every match, but for goodness sake's he is HULK HOGAN, why should he job to orton. What has orton ever done and why does he deserve to beat the biggest name in the history of wrestling? I think hogan has jobbed in the past when he should have. He has jobbed to legends. Orton doesnt deserve a win at wrestlemania over hogan, but i would have no problem at all if he jobbed to a legend like steve austin.

So bash hogan and me if you want, call me a hogan mark or whatever, im just stating what i think is true and right. No one could have done with the business what hogan done with it. NOBODY! no one ever again will have the popularity longevity of hulk hogan. And as it has been proved over and over again there will simply never ever be another Michael Jordan, another Jerry Rice, another Babe Ruth, and by hell there will never be another HULK FREAKING HOGAN!
Thats not being a mark you know what you are talkning about. But you are wrong on one major point. I was watching wrestling before Hogan, with out him, I still would be.

[Savio]

Why would you ever think Hogan shouldn't job to orton?