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Old 09-29-2005, 01:03 AM   #1
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Hulkamania, Naitch. Hulkamania.
In a previous thread, I suggested a match between Orton and Hogan at Wrestlemania 22. I think it would be a good idea, but it was immediatly shot down because, quote," Hogan wouldn't do the job". And I asked why he would have to job to make it a good match. Not suggesting he should or shouldn't, just asking why. And of course, the rolling of eyes started.

I would bet you that even if I would have said Eugene, or Rob Conway, everybody would have said the same thing. Thats such bullshit. So because Hogans the past, and Ortons the "future", theres no way Hogan should be allowed to win? What about Austin? Or the Rock? Flair? How about HBK?

Don't tell me the difference between those guys and Hogan is that they have talent. Something that a lot of people in here don't seem to grasp is that to the guys upstairs, talent isn't the biggest part of the equation! It's REACTION!! Do you know why Hogan gets ten to fifteen minutes for a pose down? REACTION!! People like Hulk Hogan! I don't give a shit if they're marks or not. He's an icon, and when he comes out, the crowd goes nuts. He doesn't need to have more than three moves. Wanna know why? Because hes Hulk Hogan, and hes a symbol of the business. Everybody knows who Hulk Hogan is. How would know Christian, or Edge, or Shelton Benjamin, or even Randy Orton, if you just brought them up out of nowhere?

Hulk Hogan definitly has many character flaws in his personal life. He's way past his prime. Hes 52 years old. He's slow. He can only wrestle so often because of the state of his body. He only uses a couple moves a match, and usually over and over again. And yet, he gets bigger reactions than anybody in the WWE. People want to see Hulk Hogan. Check the Summerslam buyrate for some evidence.

Don't tell me that Orton has to win for it to be a good match. Randy Orton would be lucky to even have his NAME next to Hulk Hogan, let alone be in a ring with him.
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:06 AM   #2
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yea check summerslam when hbk carried the old man
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:08 AM   #3
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The ONLY reason Hulk Hogan is so big because he was in the right place at the right time.
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:08 AM   #4
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Mine was better.
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I never said HBK didnt carry him. I even said he wasnt a good wrestler anymore. But get this- hes HULK HOGAN.

Hey James-congratulations!! Your right!!! And so what? Wasn't Rock in the right place at the right time? How about Austin? In fact, you could use that argument for ANYTHING thats happened EVER.
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:12 AM   #7
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:12 AM   #8
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No, Hulk Hogan could have easily been replaced by anybody.
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:17 AM   #9
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Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that he's where he is now. "Could have " is the key phrase here.
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Yeah, but that also doesn't change the fact that he fucking sucks.
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Yeah, he fucking sucks. And the great part is that it doesnt matter, because the crowds love him anyways.
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hulkamania320, are you a Ultimate Warrior mark too?
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:22 AM   #13
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Yeah, he fucking sucks. And the great part is that it doesnt matter, because the crowds love him anyways.
For a few weeks until they realize that he sucks.
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Haha, few weeks? Been a little bit longer than that, big guy.
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No, not an ultimate warrior mark.
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:27 AM   #17
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Why not? He is a symbol? He made millions. He always got huge reactions and at times bigger then Hogan's. So why not love him too?
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:29 AM   #18
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Because I wasn't watching wrestling when Ultimate Warrior was around.
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Your a Hogan mark...who wasn't around in '92?
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Hogan took what I loved, WRESTLING, and turned it into SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. Hogan killed the sport and turned it into a joke. He doesn't deserve the accolades he gets, Ric Flair deserves those accolades. Hogan did nothing but play to little kids and an over patriotic society. Those kids grew up and are the ones who praise him now, strictly out out of nostalgia. The guy couldn't wrestle in his prime and cant now, he is a hell of a draw, but that is all he has going for him. In closing :foc: HOGAN!
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lol, I can't wait to tear that argument apart. It's 12am right now though. I'll do it in the morning.
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:39 AM   #22
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I understand what your saying Destor, and i'm not gonna sit here and mock you for how you feel about the past. Its funny that how when I try to argue my point it about Hogan it always starts getting personal.

James was right when he said that anybody could have been Hulk Hogan, but it turned out to be Terry Bollea.

I think that the reason Flair doesn't get the accolades Hogan gets is because hes been an active wrestler for almost four years, and doesn't seem as special to a lot of fans.

And personally, I think you should take most of those frustrations out on Vince Mcmahon than Hulk Hogan.
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:43 AM   #23
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Vince McMahon made Hulk Hogan only learn to do 3 moves and a posedown in the past 20 years? Vince McMahon made Hulk Hogan politic his way into the spotlight all the fucking time and pissing on people with legitimate talent and a TRUE passion for professional wrestling? No, Hulk Hogan is the worthless son of a bitch.
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Also, Hulk Hogan would have been NOTHING without Roddy Piper.
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Without Roddy Piper in the WWF, we'd be watching NWA.
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Also, Hulk Hogan would have been NOTHING without Roddy Piper.
Bingo! And Terry could not be any less greatful.
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I can respect that fact you like Hogan for his drawing power, thats understandable. But to say he shouldn't have to loose is bogus. He is a hasbeen, it doesnt say much about your talent to have them job to yesterday's top dog.
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Without Roddy Piper in the WWF, we'd be watching NWA.
Lets not forget Sgt. Slaughter and the Iron Shiek. Oh yeah and Rocky II.
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People wanted to see Piper get his ass kicked at WrestleMania I, and if WM I had flopped so would have WWF.
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I didn't say he shouldn't have to lose. That is what this entire thing is all about. I said that it doesn't make it a bad match if Hogan doesn't lose. I've said over and over again that it shouldn't matter who wins it, so much as the match itself happens. But Randy Orton doesn't absolutely positively HAVE to win the match, as has been suggested.
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I already mentioned Hogans character flaws, and those are all some of them. But Vince Mcmahon created this entire thing, so he gets his share of blame.
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Old 09-29-2005, 02:30 AM   #32
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Orton = Legend Killer
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Why should it happen if we all know that Hogan will once again emerge victorious through a match the guy needs to be carried through?
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Old 09-29-2005, 02:32 AM   #33
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You see, Hulk Hogan doesn't have enough skill in his fake-tanned body to put somebody over without doing the job.
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Which is why he would have to job.
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Hogan winning wouldn't make it a bad match.

It would just make it MOTHER FUCKING POINTLESS. Hogan's too god damn old to be wrestling much longer. Any wrestling he does should serve a direct purpose in furthering the product while he still can. He doesn't need to go over. He doesn't need to have himself pushed. He's already at the peak of overness. He's mother fucking Hulk Hogan, he needs to let Orton go over so Orton can have as much behind him as he can. Why the FUCK would you let Hogan win? What's the point? It'd probably be a lame ass match to begin with, don't retard it up by having it lose what little purpose it'd have to begin with: Making Orton look more bad ass.

Orton has every reason in the world to win.

Hogan has no reason to win.

Period.
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Hogan winning wouldn't make it a bad match.

It would just make it MOTHER FUCKING POINTLESS. Hogan's too god damn old to be wrestling much longer. Any wrestling he does should serve a direct purpose in furthering the product while he still can. He doesn't need to go over. He doesn't need to have himself pushed. He's already at the peak of overness. He's mother fucking Hulk Hogan, he needs to let Orton go over so Orton can have as much behind him as he can. Why the FUCK would you let Hogan win? What's the point? It'd probably be a lame ass match to begin with, don't retard it up by having it lose what little purpose it'd have to begin with: Making Orton look more bad ass.

Orton has every reason in the world to win.

Hogan has no reason to win.

Period.
Amen.

Not only all of that, but if you include the "Legend Killer" gimmick....

Hogan would be the biggest win in Orton's career, not the other way around. How amazing would it be for Orton to cut a promo the SD! after WM22 and stake his claim in defeating the biggest legend of them all.

Somthing no one else has been able to do. No one. Orton killed Hulkamania once and for all. All Hogan has to do is lay down one last time and go out with his name remembered and his head held high because he added to a MONSTER over gimmick.
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I already mentioned Hogans character flaws, and those are all some of them. But Vince Mcmahon created this entire thing, so he gets his share of blame.
How long will it take before Terry Bolea pulls an Ultimate Warrior and legally changes his name to Hulk Hogan. We all know that Vince helped create this monster but does Terry even know where the character begins and ends anymore?

I mean, come on, his family refers to themselves as the "Hogan" family. It's NOT their name.
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How long will it take before Terry Bolea pulls an Ultimate Warrior and legally changes his name to Hulk Hogan. We all know that Vince helped create this monster but does Terry even know where the character begins and ends anymore?

I mean, come on, his family refers to themselves as the "Hogan" family. It's NOT their name.
Hogan actually owns the rights to his name.

Anyway, if Hogan went over someone, ANYONE at this point, without coming back and jobbing back to that wrestler, what would be the point? Hogan doesn't need to be put over anymore. He's over. And he always will be. But the fact is that if Hogan goes over someone like Orton, it will really hurt him. Someone like Michaels, who has backstage pull and is very over with the fans, wouldn't be as affected by jobbing as someone like Orton.

What would Hogan get out of beating Orton? What would be the point? Hogan would still be over if he lost, and Orton would be put over HUGE. There is nothing more Hogan needs to do in wrestling. Let him job to a few of the new talents TO GET THEM OVER and walk out. Don't let him hog the spotlight like he has for the past 20 or so years.

And notice that I didn't mention any of Hogan's politicking, which is also a big factor in why he's an asshole and shouldn't go over.
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Ok, Schoenauer, but your missing the point here. The ending of the match is up in the air. I will not want to see this match if I know before hand that Orton is going over, or if Hulk Hogan is going to win again. That takes the match out of it and just leaves you bitter.

Xero, the list of wrestlers that don't need to go over that keep going over has a whole lot more names on it than just Hulk Hogan. And if Randy Ortons character could take losing to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, he could take losing to Hogan. Not that he SHOULD lose. I just suggested that it would be a good match to see, NO MATTER WHO WON OR LOSE. It is bullshit to say that it isn't a good match if Hullk Hogan wins, or if Randy Orton wins. Damn.
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Ok, Schoenauer, but your missing the point here. The ending of the match is up in the air. I will not want to see this match if I know before hand that Orton is going over, or if Hulk Hogan is going to win again. That takes the match out of it and just leaves you bitter.

Xero, the list of wrestlers that don't need to go over that keep going over has a whole lot more names on it than just Hulk Hogan. And if Randy Ortons character could take losing to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, he could take losing to Hogan. Not that he SHOULD lose. I just suggested that it would be a good match to see, NO MATTER WHO WON OR LOSE. It is bullshit to say that it isn't a good match if Hullk Hogan wins, or if Randy Orton wins. Damn.

Holy shit, the logic you're using is unbelievably flawed.Let me make this clear for you.You're missing the point. The finish would have to be Orton going over Hogan, because that would put Orton over massively and would fit in with his gimmick aswell as giving Hogan a good way to leave the WWE.

On your second point, the last thing Orton needs is losing to Hogan after he lost to taker. I don't even understand why they made him job to Taker,that has killed some of his heat, and if he los tto Hogan, his legend killer gimmick would be dead because he hasn't 'killed off' hogan or taker.You know damn well that Hogan can't put on a decent wrestling match to save his life, it's the same stuf feverytime.You know why he does those poses after the match?So everyone can forget what a shit match it was.
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