Official Bound For Glory thread--10/23/05

[Destor]

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Out of 100

[Dave Youell]

Zing!

[Destor]

As far as the Nash bit goes, I doubt he would have went over due to the fact I cant see him working a full time schedule until he dropped the title. Even if it was only going to be until the next PPV.

[Gone Mad]

Well, looks like TNA's job has been done. They got people to talk. Usually these threads barely last 2 pages but when Rhino wins a belt, watch out! Imagine if Nash won it instead and had his illness or whatever a day later, what then? Hand it to Sharkboy? Give Raven a random shot as well?

Like someone said, sit back and just enjoy. If not, go watch WWE or go to sleep, w/e. All I know is TNA will be funny and give the title to Jarrett by the next show. One more note: Funny how all the guys that Vince fired were the faces at the end.

[Ruien]

Random question, did anything happen between the Road Dogg and Billy Gunn thing today?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Random question, did anything happen between the Road Dogg and Billy Gunn thing today?

Kip James helped 3 Live Kru throughout the night, I think. I didn't see the show, but from what I read and what I've seen (Kip James saving Ron Killings in the 10-Man Gauntlet), Kip James is trying to get in with 3 Live Kru.

I personally LOVE the choice to put the NWA World Heavyweight Championship on Rhino. Why not? Everyone bitches about Jarrett, well tonight Jarrett got beaten in the worst way, by a guy who wrestled THREE FREAKING MATCHES THAT NIGHT!

Everyone has their wish, Jarrett is no longer NWA World Heavyweight Champion and the faces won at the end of the night. TNA got a win here, too, because the title change was, you know, unpredictable. I'll take Rhino winning the NWA Championship out of nowhere to many of the WWE's title changes, anyday.

Sit back and enjoy the ride, because he we have a new Champion almost NOBDODY predicted, and we still have two more quality TNA PPVs to close the year.

I personally just hope TNA gets Impact! up to two hours so they can have great matches AND build storylines in equal fashion.

[Loose Cannon]

You guys think too much...

Rhino IS one of TNA's top guys, so it does make some sort of sense to place the title on him. It's not the traditional "build up" formula, but not everything HAS to be...

Whatever... just sit the fuck back and enjoy!

WTF? This is called a "Discussion" Board. Do you get the concept of the word "Discussion?" Everyone gave valid points in thier arguments. If you don't like people discussing wrestling, then please do not come here.

And if Rhino is one of TNA's top guys, they must have a lot of top guys:lol:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

man wrestling fans are HUGE homos

[redoneja]

To everyone that said putting the title on Rhino was a bad thing I have a question.

Did you think it was a bad thing for Booker T to become WCW Champion in an similar situation. Booker subbed for Hogan(after the Hogan/Russo shoot incident) and won the WCW Title from Jarrett with absolutely no build. Prior to becoming champion, Booker had basically been misused and had become mid-card fodder. Just curious to how you see this vs the Rhino win last night.

[Loose Cannon]

Use better examples then WCW 2000 because I woudn't want to try to make a point by bringing up anything from that time. Well, unless you were pointing out what not to do. At that point, WCW was juggling Titles all around. Dindn't really matter anymore.

Though Booker T was getting the "Mick Foley sympathy" for being in the business and with WCW for so long and never getting the Title, so it was kind of like a "thank you" And then WCW folded.

[Fox]

While I agree that the WWE has no fucking clue how to use the CW division, that still doesn't change the fact that, at the end of the day, TNA just puts its major belt on a guy who they basically used as midcard fodder for the past two months.

Whether you argue the sports entertainment/business side or the wrestling fan side, Rhino is no great shakes in either case. Hes just so-so in the ring, He can't cut a promo to save his life. He got his monster push in ECW by default; everyone else had either left or were hurt. And he really hasn't connected with the TNA crowd. Maybe that'll change after tonight. :-\

I wouldn't call Rhino "midcard fodder," considering he wrestled Raven for the World Title at Unbreakable PPV, and faced Jeff Hardy in the main event of the first Impact.

Still, I know that he's NOT the top-tier guy they need carrying the company right now; which is why they will drop the title back to Jarrett or someone else soon. It's was a temporary solution to an immediate problem; my argument is that it wasn't THAT bad, and was a better decision than giving Jarrett a win last night.

[Fox]

Use better examples then WCW 2000 because I woudn't want to try to make a point by bringing up anything from that time. Well, unless you were pointing out what not to do. At that point, WCW was juggling Titles all around. Dindn't really matter anymore.

Though Booker T was getting the "Mick Foley sympathy" for being in the business and with WCW for so long and never getting the Title, so it was kind of like a "thank you" And then WCW folded.

Alright, how about your beloved WWE; November 1999?

Survivor Series. Austin vs. Rock vs. Triple H: WWE Championship on the line; the first time arguably the three biggest names in the WWE clashed in a triple threat.

Austin is uncleared to wrestle the weekend of the event; sounding familiar?

So, a replacement was neccesary. It became The Rock vs. Triple H vs. The Big Show, and in the end, it was Big Show getting the pin on Triple H with the Chokeslam. Big Show won his first WWF World Title in a situation that almost exactly mirrors the situation from last night.

This was only a TEMPORARY solution, but a neccesary one; the fans wanted to see Steve Austin, but he couldn't show up, so they had to give them something in his place: a title change.

It's business: the fans pay money to see a card, and, despite the heading of "subject to change," they want to see the fucking main event. When that is out of the question, something has to be done to give the fans a little something extra: in the cases of Survivor Series and Bound for Glory, that something extra was a title switch.

But it's only TEMPORARY: a one night fix up for an unfortunate situation. Two weeks later, Big Show lost the World Title to Triple H, who won his FIRST WWF CHAMPIONSHIP on RAW. This is similar to my previous suggestion of Rhino/Jarrett at the 2-Hour Primetime TNA Special, which is probably what will happen.

So if WWE can do it, and they're so successful and a multi-billion dollar company, why can't TNA do it?

[Loose Cannon]

already covered that on like pg 1 or 2 :roll:

[Loose Cannon]

So if WWE can do it, and they're so successful and a multi-billion dollar company, why can't TNA do it?

And LOL, you just answered your own question.

Please stop comparing TNA to WWE, epsecially when WWE was at its best in terms of business. It's like comparing the Yankees to the Portland Seadogs

[owenbrown]

LC, you keep forgetting that the alternative is Jeff Jarrett, who was last seen by most fans as:

In WWE - Losing to Chyna
In WCW - Holding the title in the last throes of a dying promotion.

don't forget he lost the WCW title to DDP who lost it to a B-movie actor who vacated it then helped Jarrett win it back a second time :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

You guys think too much...

Rhino IS one of TNA's top guys, so it does make some sort of sense to place the title on him. It's not the traditional "build up" formula, but not everything HAS to be...

Whatever... just sit the fuck back and enjoy!

LOL STFU

Sorry, I don't enjoy bad product.

[Kane Knight]

Well, looks like TNA's job has been done. They got people to talk. Usually these threads barely last 2 pages but when Rhino wins a belt, watch out!

They got people talking, but when even the smarks are trashing it, that reduces the odds of the PPVs selling. At this point, this isn't even remotely a good thing.

[loopydate]

Some smarks are trashing it. Others (like me) are actually looking more forward to Impact to see where they go with this. Call it sheer morbid curiosity or whatever, but I'm not going to shit all over this title change until TNA gives me a reason to.

[Kane Knight]

A "wait and see" attitude is not a positive endorsement that will get people to buy PPVs or tune in on your recs, man.

[loopydate]

Neither is another month of Jeff Jarrett with the belt. At least this is something new.

[Mr. JL]

I agree with KK, TNA needs to stop teasing and fucking deliver.

[loopydate]

Deliver what? A main event where Jeff Jarrett fights a violently-ill near-cripple? They had to do some last-minute booking, and they gave the slot to the guy who won the match of the night. TNA was backed into a corner, and they made a decision that got people talking.

Sounds like they delivered to me.

[Mr. JL]

OBVIOUSLY they could not, under any circumstances deliver Jarrett V. Nash! That is not thier fault. But TNA needs to start delivering Jarrett-Raven, and they need to start delivering quality matches and storylines.

[Kane Knight]

Neither is another month of Jeff Jarrett with the belt. At least this is something new.

So instead of dlivering one of their big names and getting away from the status quo, we're supposed to be excited that Rhino wins it out of nowhere. It's not worse than Jarrett, but it's really not better either, and that means they're not doing anything to better themselves or even tread water.

[loopydate]

OBVIOUSLY they could not, under any circumstances deliver Jarrett V. Nash! That is not thier fault. But TNA needs to start delivering Jarrett-Raven, and they need to start delivering quality matches and storylines.

Go back a couple of pages to see why they don't need to start delivering Jarrett/Raven. I agree that the match and story quality needs to go up, though. But, perhaps putting the belt on someone that casual fans will actually react to will improve the product.

KK, how do we know if it's better? There hasn't been any follow-up yet. It just happened last night! If, three weeks down the road, they haven't done anything with it, then your "treading water" comment will apply. But right now, how can we judge something that hasn't had a chance to play out yet?

[Kane Knight]

NO, they are treading water. They chose a lateral choice, whether or not they later decide to run with it. Even then, it won't negate the choice as bad, itwill simply indicate they recovered from it.

This isn't a better option, and if they go somewhere good with it it will be the equivalent of driving yourself home safe and sound with a BAC of .8

[PullMyFinger]

lol TNA lit a fire on this board, that's for sure!

[PullMyFinger]

TNA fan from TNAWrestling.com's board...this is why I fucking can't stand the people who post there.

"I am gonna say this once and only once, TNA Bound For Glory is the best Wrestling PPV i have ever seen and i have been watching WWE, WCW and ECW, i have watched wrestling since i was a little baby watchin Hogan on TV. This PPV was owrth 50 bucks, i have never been so hyped in my entire life. You ppl ***** about Techanical difficulties, let me quote Jeff Jarrett "Screw You". This PPV was unpredictable, it was random you never knew who was going to win, it was special because Rhino has finally WON the BIG ONE, Rhino has won the greatest belt in All Of Pro Wrestling the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. AJ and Daniels were simply Phenominal, in my mind the Ultimate X match was good and the ending was pretty original, i loved this PPV from start to Finish. And Jeff Hardy put on the performance of a lifetime, no one should bash Hardy for what he did. Hardy went out there on the greatest TNA PPV of all time, The BIG ONE, and kicked some ass. I just wanted to say THANK YOU to TNA.
THANK YOU!"

[Kane Knight]

TNA fan from TNAWrestling.com's board...this is why I fucking can't stand the people who post there.

"I am gonna say this once and only once, TNA Bound For Glory is the best Wrestling PPV i have ever seen and i have been watching WWE, WCW and ECW, i have watched wrestling since i was a little baby watchin Hogan on TV. This PPV was owrth 50 bucks, i have never been so hyped in my entire life. You ppl ***** about Techanical difficulties, let me quote Jeff Jarrett "Screw You". This PPV was unpredictable, it was random you never knew who was going to win, it was special because Rhino has finally WON the BIG ONE, Rhino has won the greatest belt in All Of Pro Wrestling the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. AJ and Daniels were simply Phenominal, in my mind the Ultimate X match was good and the ending was pretty original, i loved this PPV from start to Finish. And Jeff Hardy put on the performance of a lifetime, no one should bash Hardy for what he did. Hardy went out there on the greatest TNA PPV of all time, The BIG ONE, and kicked some ass. I just wanted to say THANK YOU to TNA.
THANK YOU!"

LOL

"dee dee dee!"

[PullMyFinger]

LOL I just made a thread saying that the 6 sided ring sucks and they should bring back the normal one..keep the 6 sided one for UX matchups though.

I guarentee you I'll get 10 responses all saying "what are you talking about?1 the 6 sided is the best! TNA RULEZ! WWE SUCKS GO WATCH IT IF YOU LIKE 4 SIDED RINGS!" I really do wish TNA would revert back to the squared ring...I hate the hexagonal ring.

[PureHatred]

:nono: Somebody get that kid LC's mop.

[PureHatred]

LOL I just made a thread saying that the 6 sided ring sucks and they should bring back the normal one..keep the 6 sided one for UX matchups though.

I guarentee you I'll get 10 responses all saying "what are you talking about?1 the 6 sided is the best! TNA RULEZ! WWE SUCKS GO WATCH IT IF YOU LIKE 4 SIDED RINGS!" I really do wish TNA would revert back to the squared ring...I hate the hexagonal ring.

Some of the Mexican feds use a 6-sided ring for events, and it works because the ring is HUGE, so you don't really notice the difference, except wheh they execute the spots.

But TNA's seems tiny. It honestly feels like the bigger competitors could put their hand on one turnbuckle and reach over and touch the opposite corner. I don't know...maybe Mexicans are shorter.

[PullMyFinger]

Some of the Mexican feds use a 6-sided ring for events, and it works because the ring is HUGE, so you don't really notice the difference, except wheh they execute the spots.

But TNA's seems tiny. It honestly feels like the bigger competitors could put their hand on one turnbuckle and reach over and touch the opposite corner. I don't know...maybe Mexicans are shorter.
Yeah, it does seem extremely tiny, and that's why I hate it.

The 6 sided ring is great for X Division matches, but when I'm watching heavyweights, mid card heavyweights, and tag team...I want to see it in a normal ring.

[Dave Youell]

They got people talking, but when even the smarks are trashing it, that reduces the odds of the PPVs selling. At this point, this isn't even remotely a good thing.
What about the 'any publicity is good publicity' angle? I mean granted there are many who are unhappy, but the PPV as a whole is getting much wider recognition because of it, say JJ beat Nash in the main event (which is likely) chances are no one would of given a rats ass at all, because it was expected, something different happened and it caused a stir, rightly or wrongly.

I for one have never watched a TNA ppv live, but the more I hear the more I want to, if a UK channel picks it up, i'd watch them.

[Nervous Ferret]

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[Innovator]

Only thing that really bugged me was bringing in Jushin Liger for a 8 minute match against Samoa Joe. I mean with a company who's main base is hardcore internet fans, they hear Joe vs. Liger and they expect 15-20 minutes. Nothing against the match cause I haven't seen it, it could be an 8 minute smark wet dream for all I know, but cmon...8 minutes?

[PullMyFinger]

If TNA really does make it big (sometimes I think no though), their main fan base won't be the net fans anymore...it'll be the casual fan.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I stand by my opinion that this title change was good. It was completely different to anything the WWE have done recently. They took a guy, who has a fairly solid fanbase, fairly solid wrestling skills and a fairly strong background, and they had him tear it up and really make an impact by winning three major matches.

When has the WWE had Booker T win the title unexpectedly, Chris Benoit win the title unexpectedly or Chris Jericho win the title unexpectedly. All the title changes are telegraphed from several miles away. TNA"s last three title changes have been fairly unpredictable, and that, even if it makes the matches less epic, makes the matches more exciting, makes TNA more exciting and it makes the title seem like it could change hands on any given night.

I just see something charming about Rhino as Champion. He didn't use his position to get the title, he used the title to get his position, and that really interests me.

I wouldn't make this a temporary thing. Jarrett does not need to win the belt back, and Rhino does not need to lose it. I'd have Rhino face AJ Styles at the Primetime special, and have him retain the title. As for Genesis? I'd probably do some kind of big mulit-man match in which Rhino can retain the belt, again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm going to try another angle here as well. Maybe TNA is trying to impress Paul Heyman? Granted they made a bit of fun of him during the funeral segment, but he's a great booker and has a fantastic mind for the business. Rhino was Heyman's pet project during ECW's dying days. By carrying that on, TNA might win over Heyman when Paul E.'s contract expires later this year.

[McLegend]

I'm going to try another angle here as well. Maybe TNA is trying to impress Paul Heyman? Granted they made a bit of fun of him during the funeral segment, but he's a great booker and has a fantastic mind for the business. Rhino was Heyman's pet project during ECW's dying days. By carrying that on, TNA might win over Heyman when Paul E.'s contract expires later this year.
there is no way they are trying to impress Heyman.

No Way

[Kane Knight]

What about the 'any publicity is good publicity' angle?

I don't believe in that line. Did the publicity that Al Gore 'Invented the internet" help him in 2000? There is such a thing as bad publicity, and When you consider the limited scope of this "publicity," I'd wager more harm than good is being done.

[Mr. Nerfect]

there is no way they are trying to impress Heyman.

No Way

What makes you say that? I can't seem Impact!, so I'm not entirely sure if they've insulted him in the past or something, but I'm just curious as to why there is "no way".

[McLegend]

I'm sure Heyman isn't even in their minds right now. Heyman still has like a year left on his contract.

[Innovator]

If TNA really does make it big (sometimes I think no though), their main fan base won't be the net fans anymore...it'll be the casual fan.And what does that have to do with right now?

Nash vs. Jarrett was for the marks, Joe/Liger was for the workrate fans

[Mr. JL]

Paul Heyman's contract expires on Dec 31, 2005.

[McLegend]

Still I don't think they are trying to get Heyman's attention. I was a little off there. Just a little though.

[James Steele]

I seriously think if Paul E. got released (which I don't think Vince is stupid enough to do) He would probably want to start a promotion again, and now he knows what not to do.