the WWE and USA

[Kane Knight]

This isn't strictly on topic, but it kind of ties to the WWE's move to USA.

It seems fitting that the WWE should return to old Attitude-Era storylines in returning to USA. I haven't watched USA much at all since they left for Spike , but I flipped through their listings now and they seem t olargely have the same programming on. It's not strictly about the wrestling, but the sameness.

Kinda odd, but where else is "Coach" gonna go?

[PYRO-MANIAC]

Well the move to USA can only help the WWE, from what ive heard Vince prefers the USA Network anyway because they can simply get away with more on TV. They seem to appretiate the WWE more than Spike too because they give them overun time if they need it and freedom with certain storylines.

Seems to be more exciting and refreshing lately with regards to storylines, i would say though that im starting to see less actual wrestling lately but i think that could change in the near future.

I have knocked TNA in the past but you cant say you dont get value for money when it comes to pure wrestling matches, most of a TNA show is wrestling matches i mean they have a few promo's here and their but around 70% of their shows is 'wrestling'.

Raw has had to many promo's lately and not enough wrestling, would anyone agree with that?

I still believe though in the longrun you will see a lot more freedom with certain storylines and less censorship, and for me that can only be a good thing. :y:

Having watched WWE though through the Attitude Era till today i can sense its very similar with regards to storylines, the only thing as ive said is the Attitude Era had a lot more wrestling on Raw at the time. Its just something i want to see a lot more of more 'wrestling' and a little less 'entertainment' as much as i love being entertained, i still dont think you can top a 20 - 30 minute main event every week rather than some messy and quick 10 minute ending.

Just my opinion though.. :D

[Dave Youell]

Raw right now is more 'Russoish' saving the wrestling for the PPV's and getting the storylines over on TV for more interest in peeps buying the PPV's

Smackdown is going the other way, they seem to spend more time with decent matches each week and not really that much in backstage skits and development.

It's a good thing in both ways as i'm enjoying both shows (raw for the past 2 weeks has just been garbage though) as long as they can keep this sort of trend without going to OTT on the Raw front they could end with a quite a versitle overall audience

[KillerWolf]

it stinks and i dont like it. so far it has been less focus on wrestling; less focus on the wrestlers; more focus on the McMahons; and it seems to be heading towards the area of no main event, but rather "(big fuckin' deal) Steve Austin will be here tonight!!!" and for the main event, SCSA clears the ring.

fuck that.

[Kane Knight]

Seems to be more exciting and refreshing lately with regards to storylines, i would say though that im starting to see less actual wrestling lately but i think that could change in the near future.

More exciting? I never found re-runs that exciting.

[PullMyFinger]

Not really, WWE has been a mess since they came back on USA. Honestly, I've been watching it every week and I'm so lost. Just what the hell exactly are the McMahons doing?! One week Linda is a heel, the next week she's hoping JR is fine?! When Vinny Mac came out on Monday, I didn't even know what the hell he was...face, heel, tweener?!

The Stone Cold match turned out to be a mess.

Everything thus far is chaotic.

[Kane Knight]

I think Linda was being sarcastic.

Or maybe it was her pisspoor acting.

It's REALLY hard to tell what she means, because she is like the shittiest heel ever. The rest of them, however, I can't account for.

[PullMyFinger]

I think Linda was being sarcastic.

Or maybe it was her pisspoor acting.

It's REALLY hard to tell what she means, because she is like the shittiest heel ever. The rest of them, however, I can't account for.
I agree...she's a pisspoor heel.

Like, I was so confused when Vince came out...he just said one thing in a straight manner and left....I was like wtf weren't you a heel two weeks ago?

They really need to sit down for an hour and analyze their show. It's been chaotic and makes no sense whatsoever.

[McLegend]

yeah I thought it was pretty clear Linda was being sarcastic about JR.

[PYRO-MANIAC]

I think what i meant was more unpredictable because the storylines have been a little more risky since the move to Spike.

Its come across as a little more daring and violent in my opinion anyway. :y:

The storylines haven't been fantastic but the Flair and HHH feud has been brilliant. Im not sure they would have done the same sort of angles on Spike TV.

[mrslackalack]

I like RAW better at this point this year than I did last year.

[Kane Knight]

I agree...she's a pisspoor heel.

Like, I was so confused when Vince came out...he just said one thing in a straight manner and left....I was like wtf weren't you a heel two weeks ago?

They really need to sit down for an hour and analyze their show. It's been chaotic and makes no sense whatsoever.

Linda's pisspoor even as a face. but at least she can get a reaction other than :wtf: as a face.

Also, let me KKK something here:


They really need to sit down for an hour and watch their show.

I think that fits alright.

[Innovator]

Coach will probably have his jaw wired shut after the slap Batista gave him, leaving Styles to do the pbp.

Besides that.....I hear OVW is doing good TV

[Kane Knight]

I think what i meant was more unpredictable because the storylines have been a little more risky since the move to Spike.

Its come across as a little more daring and violent in my opinion anyway. :y:

The storylines haven't been fantastic but the Flair and HHH feud has been brilliant. Im not sure they would have done the same sort of angles on Spike TV.

My bud Bill has predicted more of the outcomes and more of the spots since Homecoming. He's bordering on psychic right now. Maybe there are some I can't think of, but Linda firing JR? Not a shock. When they said someone would be fired, we knew it wouldn't be Austin. Flair getting turned on by HHH? Saw that coming weeks ago. Austin stunning the entire McMahon family? Oh yeah, didn't see that coming. Waht else? The invasion. Bah. maybe it was Kane's return? Nope.

I'm not seeing daring programming either. I'm seeing clichéd angles, predictable turns, and boring storylines. A well-done feud between a hasbeen and an egomaniac, or Cena doing a single freestyle (that I've seen so far) aren't really saving graces. This isn't "edgy," it's retro. It was pushing the limits of TV half a decade ago, when Michaels showed his ass on TV and Austin would stun his best friend and have a beer.

Maybe I'm missing the added violence and the unpredictability and all that shit though. You wanna point some out for me?

[The Gooch]

They better get a focus on RAW soon. The Monday Night Football games look to be very good for this month.

I watch RAW waiting for something special to happen, it rarely ever does nowadays.

[PYRO-MANIAC]

My bud Bill has predicted more of the outcomes and more of the spots since Homecoming. He's bordering on psychic right now. Maybe there are some I can't think of, but Linda firing JR? Not a shock. When they said someone would be fired, we knew it wouldn't be Austin. Flair getting turned on by HHH? Saw that coming weeks ago. Austin stunning the entire McMahon family? Oh yeah, didn't see that coming. Waht else? The invasion. Bah. maybe it was Kane's return? Nope.

I'm not seeing daring programming either. I'm seeing clichéd angles, predictable turns, and boring storylines. A well-done feud between a hasbeen and an egomaniac, or Cena doing a single freestyle (that I've seen so far) aren't really saving graces. This isn't "edgy," it's retro. It was pushing the limits of TV half a decade ago, when Michaels showed his ass on TV and Austin would stun his best friend and have a beer.

Maybe I'm missing the added violence and the unpredictability and all that shit though. You wanna point some out for me?

Well we've had women beaten up and that wouldn't have happened on spike - not one woman but TWO, Flair busting himself open again - that wouldn't have happened on Spike.

HHH turning on Flair i kind of saw coming but then we've probably watched this stuff for years so why wouldn't we? It was still done very well and quite violent in a way. Raw probably does have a retro feel after thinking about it, i mean ive just tried to rack my brains for some stand out events or storylines as of late, and i really cant think of many.

The Austin storyline and the Triple H / Flair storyline then are the main points of my small arguement. I just feel that this kind of thing hasn't been done in a long long time and to see it all again just showed that the WWE will have more freedom and less censorship on the Usa Network.

I agree though with Cena, he needs to freestyle and be controversial.. he's too much of a goody goody rapper. Make him more like Eminem or dare i say it 50 Cent, all rappers have two sides to them good and bad and with Cena all you see is a rapper who's well behaved and boring. I know he's given Bischoff the F'U' but this is like Austin reborn only your replacing the stunner with the F'U'. They need to turn Cena heel and give him some freedom with his gimmick, maybe even give him a big ass bodyguard like some rappers have or a group that follows him around.

Get him iced out from head to toe and have him turn on the fans for making him whack, tell the fans he's not some Hulk Hogan Wannabe.. IM JOHN FUCKING CENA! :lol:

Those are just some thoughts ive been having lately, any opinions?

[Kane Knight]

Wait. Someone getting busted open is unpredictable and wouldn't have happened on Spike? I'm sorry, that's as fucking weak as Austin's angle being unpredictable.

[Loose Cannon]

Well we've had women beaten up and that wouldn't have happened on spike - not one woman but TWO, Flair busting himself open again - that wouldn't have happened on Spike.

WTF? A big WTF? Did you not watch Raw on Spike TV? Women got beat up lots of times. Stacy, Trish, Lita.

And what are you trying to say with Flair? Lots of guys got busted open on the Spike program. Just watch some HBK matches. And doing it yourself or getting it doen by a chair is a mute point. Blood is Blood.

HHH turning on Flair i kind of saw coming but then we've probably watched this stuff for years so why wouldn't we? It was still done very well and quite violent in a way. Raw probably does have a retro feel after thinking about it, i mean ive just tried to rack my brains for some stand out events or storylines as of late, and i really cant think of many.

The Austin storyline and the Triple H / Flair storyline then are the main points of my small arguement. I just feel that this kind of thing hasn't been done in a long long time and to see it all again just showed that the WWE will have more freedom and less censorship on the Usa Network.


I don't feel like it's less censorship. They were doing crazy and outrageous stuff on Spike too. HHH fucking corpses ring a bell? Shane balls getting hooked up to jumpers?

[McDoogle]

I think we as the fans have seen such outrageous shit (i.e. shane's balls being hooked up to jumpers) that nothing really surprises us anymore. It's come to a point where anything they do won't be a huge shock because we're all somewhat used to it. Think about it, how can they "shock us" anymore when we've seen shit like Triple H fuck a corpse?

[The Gooch]

Personally I'm not looking to be shocked, I just want moments that I will always remember. For Example:

Rock, this is your life

Austin with a Beer Truck

Jericho "wins" the title

They still put on some great matches for free, but it seems they produce nothing that people will talk about for years to come.

[PYRO-MANIAC]

Wait. Someone getting busted open is unpredictable and wouldn't have happened on Spike? I'm sorry, that's as fucking weak as Austin's angle being unpredictable.

What fucking ever.. :lol:

All i was saying is I THINK it has been more unpredictable lately. Are you telling me that Vince coming back with his whole family was predictable?

Are you saying J.R getting fired on live TV (as part of his last act on WWE TV) was predictable?

Considering its only been on the Usa Network for a few weeks now i think ive made my arguement pretty clear with what ive got as examples.

The Flair beatdown came over as pretty shocking and brutal otherwise why would people in the audience show emotion on camera? Im not just talking about the fucking internet community im talking of the effect it has had on the live audience.

I agree though that Austin is one of the most predictable superstars in history. :y:

[PYRO-MANIAC]

WTF? A big WTF? Did you not watch Raw on Spike TV? Women got beat up lots of times. Stacy, Trish, Lita.

And what are you trying to say with Flair? Lots of guys got busted open on the Spike program. Just watch some HBK matches. And doing it yourself or getting it doen by a chair is a mute point. Blood is Blood.




I don't feel like it's less censorship. They were doing crazy and outrageous stuff on Spike too. HHH fucking corpses ring a bell? Shane balls getting hooked up to jumpers?

Will you please stop acting like a big bitch? Whats with all the 'WTF's' are you 10 years old or a seasoned quake player online? :p

Ive watched Raw since it began so what exactly are you trying to say here LC? Women get beat up by women but not male superstars.. :lol:

Even Kane didn't really fully get his hands on Lita for example, so who else has beaten up females since the move to USA?

I can only think of Austin.. funny that isn't it. :roll:

What im trying to say with regards to Flair is that the act shocked the fans in attendance, im not saying you lot on the forum and thats just my point of view so i dont have to keep proving myself.

And are you sure HHH fucking a corpse was on the Spike Network? Because im not 100% on that it was quite a while ago that it happened.

Jesus christ why do you all take things personally and go off on one just because someone has their own opinion? Do you ever actually go out into the real world because believe it or not people have their own opinions.. i know it will take time to get used to that but their you fucking go.

[Destor]

So you don't remember Stacy getting hit in the face with a Chair?

[Kane Knight]

And doing it yourself or getting it doen by a chair is a moot point. Blood is Blood.

I think we as the fans have seen such outrageous shit (i.e. shane's balls being hooked up to jumpers) that nothing really surprises us anymore. It's come to a point where anything they do won't be a huge shock because we're all somewhat used to it. Think about it, how can they "shock us" anymore when we've seen shit like Triple H fuck a corpse?

I don't need to be shocked, just entertained. That's what fucked the WWE in the first place. They started doing huge high risk spots, and MAJOR matches and then had to one-up themselves, when they could have made the programming better instead.

What fucking ever.. :lol:

Seems quite the attitude from a guy who thinks people didn't bleed on TV on Spike, or women didn't get beat up.

Are you telling me that Vince coming back with his whole family was predictable?

Survey says: Yes!

Are you saying J.R getting fired on live TV (as part of his last act on WWE TV) was predictable?

Considering I already SPECIFICALLY STATED this, I'd say "signs point to yes."

Considering its only been on the Usa Network for a few weeks now i think ive made my arguement pretty clear with what ive got as examples.

But they're not good examples. You have to ignore the fact that they were predictable in order to make your argument. The fact that I used these as examples of predictability and then asked for examples of what was unpredictable would indicate I found your argument baseless before you even made it.

The Flair beatdown came over as pretty shocking and brutal otherwise why would people in the audience show emotion on camera? Im not just talking about the fucking internet community im talking of the effect it has had on the live audience.

Which would be true of any other live event. But yeah. Before USA, they were all static images in the background. Nobody ever showed emotion on camera.

[Loose Cannon]

Jericho gave Stacy a chair shot to the face dumbass. And what about the Dudley Boys putting women through tables?

And I'm starting to think you must of changed user names and you have been here before because you got a little too jumpy when I got on your back.

And it's not opinions when you're talking about facts :roll:

[Loose Cannon]

and didn't Val Venis give Chyna a Spike Piledriver when he was RTC? Yep, think so. That broke her neck btw.

[Xero]

and didn't Val Venis give <b>Chyna</b> a Spike Piledriver when he was RTC? Yep, think so. That broke her neck btw.
Don't be so technical.

[Destor]

Chyna doesn't count. None of the censors knew she was female.

*edit*

Dammit Zero!

[Loose Cannon]

Hey remembr when Kane gave a tombstone to Linda one time? Yea, add that one too.

Great arugment PYRO

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

What network was it when heel Austin was attacking Lita with a chair? I kind of think it was Spike, but I don't really remember.

[Loose Cannon]

^LOL YEA. Another one. Austin and HHH destoyed the Hardy's with chairs and then fucked up Lita too.

god, like worst argument ever

[Enjay]

I'm callin it now PYRO-MANIAC is kinglacoste/CBright.

[Xero]

Oh, and didn't Viscera squash Trish?

[Kane Knight]

Jericho gave Stacy a chair shot to the face dumbass. And what about the Dudley Boys putting women through tables?

Exactly. Women were never attacked on Spike TV.

[Kane Knight]

Hey remembr when Kane gave a tombstone to Linda one time? Yea, add that one too.

Great arugment PYRO

Hey, you know what? I'm starting to think women HAVE been assaulted on Spike.

[BlackDawn2024]

Orton RKO'd Stacy on Spike.

[Kane Knight]

Orton RKO'd Stacy on Spike.

Okay, so you've named one example...Hardly a good way to make a point.