NBA 2005-2006 Season Thread

[The Outlaw]

This is probably the happiest I've been in quite a while.

:heart:

They were clearly holding their breath the last two games. It showed in their performance, frankly. He took 52 free throws during the series. He averaged more than eight free throws per game. Only twice during the entire series did any Piston attempt more than eight. Ben Wallace in game 3 when Miami went to "Hack-A-Ben" down the stretch, and Chauncey Billups in game 5 (and he was being fouled in the 4th quarter to stop the clock).

Add that to the fact that Shaq took 48 free throws during the series means that those two players took 100 FTs. As a team, the Pistons only took 154.

But, you're right, to say that Wade gets a lot of calls is absolutely ridiculous. Thanks for setting me straight.

lol of course he gets calls. He drives to the basket and gets hacked, what are they going to do?

And your argument against Shaq is pretty "ROFL"

Since you are trying to turn this into a numbers game, here:

Free throws attempted:

Detroit - 154
Miami - 153

Not really a big difference now that you look at it. The funny thing is the number is only close because of game 4 when Miami shot 47 to Detroit's 22. And, to make it even worse...

Free throws made:

Detroit - 114
Miami - 97

I don't really know if you're even arguing that Miami got all the calls or not since you left it pretty vague. Shaq was 21/48 for the series. Dwade was 44/52. So, Shaq averaged 8 free throws a game and Wade averaged a little over 8. Not outrageous numbers at all lol.

You're welcome, by the way. :)

[SammyG]

SUN SHOW!!

[D Mac]

Miami v Dallas


Worst...Finals...Ever

[RoXer]

Get the fuck outta here

[ct2k]

I reckon Heat in 6 unfortunately.

I hate the Heat:|

[loopydate]

I don't really know if you're even arguing that Miami got all the calls or not since you left it pretty vague.

I'm actually not arguing that. I'm arguing that those two players get more calls than anyone else. And I provided numbers to back it up. It wasn't a team thing at all since, as you mentioned, Detroit actually took more as a team. But there was certainly a disparity between the number of FTs that those two players in particular took compared to anyone else in the series.

That's what I was saying.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Well ya, they got the ball more and took more shots than anyone on their team. It would make sense that they get to the line more

[loopydate]

Yes, but they didn't just take more than anyone on their team. They took more than anyone on either team, which was my point. Of course they're going to take more than Walker and Payton and Williams and Posey, et al. But they also took more shots than any Piston.

Richard Hamilton is usually a guy who gets to the line a lot, and he only took forty-one. Seven free throws behind Shaq, and eleven behind Wade! No other Piston took more than 28!

So I don't think it's horribly unfair to say that Wade and Shaq get a lot of calls, which has been my point all along.

[BCWWF]

The refs weren't part of a big conspiracy to give the Heat more free throws, come on, you're starting to stretch this argument.

[loopydate]

I'm not saying that's the reason the Pistons lost or anything, but I don't think it's any big secret that superstar players get preferential treatment from the referees. Seriously, when was the last time you saw LeBron or DWade called for traveling when they pick up their dribble at the top of the circle and dunk it?

But my point has been missed so spectacularly, I think I'm going to just stop trying.

[BCWWF]

There have just been so many posts about the number of free throws during the playoffs. Obviously a player like Kobe Bryant is going to draw more free throws than Lindsey Hunter.

[DrA]

Miami v Dallas


Worst...Finals...Ever

Yeah, it sure loses out to another epic San Antonio/Detroit final.

[SammyG]

These finals are sweet. I hope it goes 7. It's nice to see the Heat finally make it, same goes for the Mavs.

[The Outlaw]

Yeah, how can you say worst finals ever? First time for the Heat. First time for Dallas in like 20 years right? Get the hell out of here with that garbage.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Whooo Raptors trade Araujo to Utah for Kris Humphries and Robert Whaley

I'm honestly shocked, I figured the only way we'd be able to get rid of Araujo would be to waive him but to trade him and get a guy that went in the first round two years ago, thats fucking amazing

[DrA]

God Mark Cuban is a disgusting human being. If I wasn't a fan of the Mavericks I would probably hate them because of him.

[BCWWF]

Based on this game, I'm taking the Mav's in six, but I'd prefer to see Shaq bring one to Miami before hanging em up.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Im torn on who to root for. I really like the Mavs but there are so many guys on the Heat that I'd like to see win a title. Payton and Walker especially. I dont like Mourning but he deserves a title.

I picked Dallas at the start of the playoffs and I'm sticking with them, should be a great series. I thought Miami's best shot to win in Dallas was Game 1 just because I thought Dallas would need a game to figure out how they would play Shaq and Wade. I would pick Dallas in 5 now but because of this stupid 2-3-2 shit I'll say Mavs in 6

[D Mac]

Yeah, how can you say worst finals ever? First time for the Heat. First time for Dallas in like 20 years right? Get the hell out of here with that garbage.

Because Dallas is the most uninteresting team in history.

[DrA]

Because Dallas is the most uninteresting team in history.

What about the Charlotte Bobcats?

[BCWWF]

No, seriously it's the Spurs. Tim Duncan is the least charismatic superstar ever, and then there's always Udrih.

[Skippord]

God Mark Cuban is a disgusting human being. If I wasn't a fan of the Mavericks I would probably hate them because of him.
The only reason I can come up with that I would want the Mavericks to win is because I like Cuban

[Skippord]

Miami v Dallas


Worst...Finals...Ever

[The Outlaw]

Because Dallas is the most uninteresting team in history.

lol what? They have a lot of cool players. Dirk, Howard, Terry, MARQUISSSSS just to name a few. Did they beat your favorite team or something? Poor guy...

I dunno, I think I am the only one who likes to watch the Bobcats? Probably because of my boy G. Wallace, boy can straight up ball.

Last night was pretty terrible. I expect the Heat to make adjustments though. Two of those adjustments are:

1. Get the ball to Shaq more. 9/11 and you don't feed him the damn ball? Come on, the reason you guys are there/making shots is because of him. When you get him the ball, good things happen. He makes YOU better.

2. Make free throws.

3. Play good defense on all players, not just Dirk and Howard.

Bah, not feeling too good but maybe they will come out with fire in their eyes Sunday night.

BTW DrA, what did Cuban do?

[The Icon of Elisim]

I dunno why someone would dislike Cuban. I mean I dont like it when he runs on the court but I love him just cause he is a basketball fan living the dream of a basketball fan. When I read about him and watch him on tv I dont see an owner that is trying to make a profit, I see a guy who wants to win because he genuinely loves the game. And he's also trying to make it as fun for his teams fans as possible. Find me another owner that gives free plane tickets for everyone in attendance to celebrate a big win.

[BCWWF]

I agree, I like Cuban.

[DrA]

BTW DrA, what did Cuban do?

He's way too flamboyant and will do anything for attention. Plus I've heard that he's a huge prick and that he pays off local media people to say nice things about him.

[BCWWF]

I highly doubt the second claim

[ct2k]

F'n British f'm tv not showing the f'n goddamn finals:'(

[BCWWF]

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You expect me to believe that Mark Cuban pays off the Dallas Morning News and co. to write good things about him? As somebody in the industry, I really, highly doubt it.

[The Miz]

Shaquille "I never have two bad games in a row and always hit my free throws when I need to" O'Neal with another outstanding performance

[SammyG]

Wow, terrible 2-5, 1-7 free throws. Horrible. Mavs are gonna sweep em up if this shit continues.

[D Mac]

lol what? They have a lot of cool players. Dirk, Howard, Terry, MARQUISSSSS just to name a few. Did they beat your favorite team or something? Poor guy...



I just hate all Texas teams. :shifty:

[BCWWF]

I would be shocked if Miami didn't win at least one at home. Shaq has got to have a good game three, but Dallas definately has the upper hand in this series. I knew Shaq was starting to fade, but I never expected him to be this bad at this stage, especially with Dampier on the other side.

[The Outlaw]

Shaquille "I never have two bad games in a row and always hit my free throws when I need to" O'Neal with another outstanding performance

Minus his free throws, he didn't have a bad game in game 1. But yeah, game 2 was pretty terrible.

He got fined 10 G's for not giving an interview. Pretty ridiculous.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol JJ Reddick got pulled over last night and got a DWI. He was probably smoking weed while writing poems or something and decided to go out for a drive

[The Outlaw]

HATERSSSSSSS

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I heard Danny Ainge "really likes JJ Reddick" so we could see Reddick in a Celtics uniform next season :(

[The Miz]

Outlaw, JJ Redick is no longer allowed to play NCAA basketball, only professional basketball, so its probably a good time to jump off the bandwagon

[BCWWF]

I think he could technically play NAIA if he really wanted to. NCAA eligibility isn't counted by the NAIA.

[The Outlaw]

Bandwagon? LOL ok man

[SammyG]

I hope Dallas sweeps 'em

[RoXer]

I'm already sick of it but at least Tom Petty > Rob Thomas

[The Outlaw]

I hope Dallas sweeps 'em

Request denied.

[SammyG]

Yeah. Meh. Dallas is still gonna win. D- Wade was ill like a sick metaphor droppin Fawty too.

[SecretDesire]

Request denied.
:rofl: Kinda harsh though dont cha think :wave:

[D Mac]

It'll go 7 because the NBA wants that money.

[RoXer]

I don't he should be, but Stackhouse is suspended for game 5

[The Miz]

NBA doing all they can to help Miami. They know they have no shot at winning 2 games in Dallas

[RoXer]

Also, here is an article that doesnt really suck Cuban's dick.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlZVC5Ha7ke4Wjn8bI2z9_a8vLYF?slug=dw-cuban061506&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[The Outlaw]

LOL how could you say Stack doesn't deserve to be suspended when all the other suspensions have been laid out? The NBA has made it clear they aren't going to take ANY flagrant fouls. Haslem got suspended a game for throwing his mouthpiece in the direction of a ref. Posey got suspended for a flagrant which wasn't as bad as Stack's. There was one really ridiculous one that I can't think of but it got a suspension too.

"NBA doing all they can to help Miami" lol come on

[The Miz]

Terry and Bell didn't deserve to get suspended either

[RoXer]

I dunno, I didn't even see how it's a flagrant when it happened really.

Jason Williams stole the ball and goes down court. Stackhouse sprints like crazy to catch up with him. He isn't too far behind, and sees Williams starting to lose speed so he runs faster. Then suddenly, Williams gives it up to Shaq who is like 10 ft behind him. Momentum carries Stackhouse into Shaq.

I just don't agree with the flagrant call, so I don't agree with the suspension.

[The Outlaw]

LOL, you think Stackhouse's momentum carried him into Shaq? It's pretty obvious that Stackhouse wasn't going for the ball and was wanting to foul Shaq hard. Flagrant foul easily. Suspension? I don't think it's suspension worthy, but neither was:

Haslem.
Posey.
Bell.
Artest.

They were all hard fouls, I agree with that easily. They all deserved flagrant fouls minus Haslem, which I thought deserved a technical? This is going by the "old rules". Old school hard fouls used to get just a flagrant call and be done with it. Sometimes not even get that much. But now they are just being strict with it after the whole Detroit situation.

I thought after seeing it Terry deserved a suspension as well. Cat punched a guy in the balls, doesn't get too much more blatant than that. But, since the NBA are cutting down on hard and/or cheap fouls which might cause another brawl, then yeah I see why they suspended every one they have minus Haslem. Haslem threw his mouthpiece and it bounced off the ground. It didn't hit the ref, it didn't hit another player. it bounced off the ground.

I thought right when it happened that he would be suspended the next game after the way they are treating hard fouls.

[McLegend]

Game 5 has been hot

[The Miz]

Congradulations NBA, you succeeded in assuring Miami went back to Dallas up 3-2. Nice "foul" by Dirk there at the last second

[CNM]

Josh Howard might have just attained Chris Webber status. What an idiot

[BCWWF]

What did Howard do?

It sucks because before I didn't like either of these teams, but now I think this is one of the coolest matchups in the past few years and both teams have players that I'd like to see win.

[RoXer]

I'm going to have to hear from the guys at press conference because I am confused.

Avery Johnson looked like he has a T motion in his hands. It looks like Howard saw this and called a timeout. Then it looked like Johson was arguing with the refs that he had 2 TOs. I don't know. They'll have to tell me.

[RoXer]

Or maybe he was trying to remind Howard to call a TO after the shot.

[CNM]

What did Howard do?

It sucks because before I didn't like either of these teams, but now I think this is one of the coolest matchups in the past few years and both teams have players that I'd like to see win.

For some reason, Howard called Dallas' last timeout before Dwyane Wade shot his second FT, and the Mavs couldn't advance the ball because of it.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah that foul call was pretty weak but D-Wade is a sick nig

Kinda rooting for the Heat here so I am glad to see them go up 3-2, I wanna see Walker get a ring. Payton and Mourning too

[The Outlaw]

Yeah, the foul was pretty weak. I thought the other guy (Howard) made more contact than Dirk did, which all he did was have his hand on Wade's hip. There was contact but it wasn't all that bad. Wade earned the call though from what he did the previous two quarters or so. He attacked the basket and he drew the contact a lot.

Josh Howard tho LOL Definately a CWebb moment.

BTW, Avery, the refs aren't supposed to ASSUME (your words) what you mean to do. They see your guy with his hands in the form of a T and walking to the bench, they think he is calling a timeout. You could tell from Howard's face that he knew he effed up.

[The Miz]

lol he earned the call? He either gets fouled or doesn't get fouled. He didn't get fouled, he missed the shot, Dallas should have won 100-99. So if Wade had been shut down the last 2 quarters, then he doesn't get the foul call because he didn't earn it?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I've never been a big fan of players earning calls and shit but I think what Outlaw ment was the refs are so quick to assume fouls on guys when they are driving to the hoop. It happens all the time, it just so happened this time was at the very end of the game.

Bad calls happen tho, Dirk looked like a lil bitch kicking everything in sight on the way back to the locker room. I loved how the announcers where trying to make it sound like it was a good thing "Who says Dirk doesn't show emotion!?" Give me a break, he just looked like a 7 foot 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum.

[The Miz]

I can't say I blame him though. He hit the game-winning shot but the NBA decided it would be better financially for Miami to win the game

[RoXer]

What was in the bowl?

[Johnny Vegas]

Well, good to see Mourning, Payton, Walker, and Wade win one. Shaq too, but he already has 3. Dallas will win next year because their squad is only going to get better. That is, if they keep that will to win because when #32 on the Suns comes back, its a wrap!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I can't say I blame him though. He hit the game-winning shot but the NBA decided it would be better financially for Miami to win the game
Screwed themselves out of a Game 7 now

[BCWWF]

The good thing about these NBA playoffs is that they exposed a lot of cool teams that we don't oftne get to see. The finals was the most interesting two teams in years, but beyond that...LA Clippers: The underdog little sister, look to be better next year...Phoenix: D'Antoni plugged the holes and was still dominant without Amare...Detroit: Solid overall team with five well known starters...New Jersey Nets: Already looked good this year, might get K-Mart back for next...Washington: Exciting team in the playoffs again...Chicago: Add the No. 2 overall pick to the already growing Bulls...Lakers: Kobe is going to finally get some players around him it looks like...Caviliers: LeBron did amazing things this year, he is what, 23?

I can remember like three years ago, the West had four or five dominant teams and the East had four of five sub-500 teams. The teams I just listed (including Miami and Dallas) all were fun to watch in these playoffs, and that is something that hasn't happened in a while.

[RoXer]

WHAT WAS IN THE BOWL?

[The Miz]

It is pretty hilarious actually that Miami wrapped it up in 6. You tried NBA, you tried

[RoXer]

Whats in the bowl is all I car about, really.

[Ninti the Mad]

Hah. I love the fact that Miami won. The Mavericks owner is such an asshole and his team didnt deserve to win with him in charge.

[Joey Slugs]

Miami is going to invite the refs to hang out for the championship rally later this week. Since they had just about as much to do with the Heat winning as the players did.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Alright Mark Cuban

The Heat being better than Dallas had nothing to do with it

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The Refs blew that 15 point lead in Game 3

[The Icon of Elisim]

Raptors pick up Rasho from San Antonio for Matt Bonner and Eric Williams.

Not a bad trade, I liked Bonner but he's not that good and Rasho will do the team wonders if he can give us 20 minutes a game at the 5

[The Outlaw]

The refs caused Dirk to miss that HUGE free throw as well. You know, the one that would have sealed the game up and would have Dallas up 3-0? Get out of here with your garbage excuses.

And to clarify what I was saying earlier, Stima understood what I meant...DWade never stopped ATTACKING the basket, that's how you earn calls in the NBA. You sit out on the perimeter and launch jump shots and you aren't going to get many calls. He, and most of the Heat as a team (Even Walker FFS) attacked the basket. The Mavs fell in love (DEEP LOVE) with the jump shot. That class is when you get calls and you get the "benefit of the doubt" if the contact is iffy.

But, yeah, those refs blew all those leads the Mavericks had. They caused Dirk to miss that huge clutch free throw which was the turnaround of the series. They caused the Mavs to shoot 39 (I think?) percent that last game.

ITS A CONSPIRACY

[Joey Slugs]

wow. it's ok guys. i'm only half kidding. the refs did play a huge part with some bad calls, but the mavs did fold. i only really care because i've met cuban on a few occations down in dallas (my cousin is a friend of his - they were in the dotcom business together) and his seats right next to cuban's.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Your cousin is rich then, I heard he gave each person like a 1 million dollars or something after Yahoo bought his idea.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I wasn't really mad about your comment either, since I really didn't care who won this years finals. I liked the change of pace though, two totally different teams.

I wish the Celtics could get back into the finals picture, I am sick of them "rebuilding" - seems like they've been doing it every since McHale, Bird and Parrish retired. The Boston Hearld tried to make it seem like things would be different if Reggie Lewis and Len Bias both did not pass away. While it would have been different in the early/mid 90's - I don't think it'd really have an effect on the Celtics right now.

But just like Rick P said "LARRY BIRD ISN'T WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR!"

[Joey Slugs]

Your cousin is rich then, I heard he gave each person like a 1 million dollars or something after Yahoo bought his idea.

My cousin is indeed rich. He was a consultant with Cuban's company and then went off to start his own joint... which was bought by Sun Microsystems. He then went on to found El Camino Supersystems (then sold to IBM - which is now part of their current office backup systems).

Let's just say he has a nice house in a Dallas suburb.

[The Icon of Elisim]

LOL Knicks fire Brown and Isiah puts himself in as coach

I repeat, LOL

[The Outlaw]

Filthy rich guy even.

If the Celts would have gotten Timmy, things might be a little different. :(

[BCWWF]

What exactly did Cuban do? All I know is that he got rich through the Internet somehow

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Celtics where projected to get the #1 and #3 picks that year but they didn't :(

Woulda had Timmy and Van Horn I believe. Instead they got Billups (Who Pitino traded after 50 games) and Ron Mercer

Ughhhhh if the C's got Duncan...wow It would be like 1986 all over again with a 3 out of the 4 Boston teams doing sick (actaully I think the Bruins were really good in '86 aswell but I don't care cuz I don't like hockey) except instead of having the Pats and Sox losing the championship games they'd actually win.

And Cuban got rich by selling his type of internet phone idea to Yahoo