This Cena bashing is getting cruel...

[snakeboss]

I just watched the NYR press conferance, I read that when Cena came out he got booed like shit, now that's going too far, if you see Cena's face when he comes out, he looks absolutely crushed, I would never boo John Cena to his face, I may not be a fan of his, but that's cruel.

John Cena is just doing what he's told, he tries his best to be entertaining, it'a the writers who've made him keep the belt this long, it's the writers who now write his raps, it's the writers that made him WWE champion when they knew he had a limited move set.

Look, let's face it, Vince McMahon wants Cena as champion, Cena's going to stay champion. Just imagine if you were Cena and you come out to promote a really dangerous match you're going to be in, and they boo you because your boss wants you as champion.

I really think the fans need to give Cena a break, I know they want to make a point, that they want a new champion, but it's obvious Vince couldn't care less about the fans. (see Tim White's second suicide)

I think people need to give Cena a break...

[McLegend]

I saw the video of the press conference and you could tell that it was really edited. Where did you read about the Press conference?

[Avenger]

True. :y:

[Xero]

The fans are expressing that they don't like what Cena's doing. Writers or himself, they're letting it be known that it's bullshit, and as the WWE says, they went there to cheer and boo who they want. (And when they're on SmackDown!, it means they'll be edited.)

Is it our fault that the WWE doesn't listen to the fans at this point? Sure, they shouldn't for the most part, but God, they OBVIOUSLY need to do something, and fast. Otherwise Cena may never be able to recover.

The fans need to keep giving Cena shit, otherwise WWE will keep Cena exactly as he is and he'll be fucked.

[Innovator]

I remember when they showed a highlight video of Summerslam and they have Angle posing on the chair with his medal, you hear boos but you can see the crowd cheering and clapping like crazy.

Damn WWE edit jobs, they can't hide the truth much longer

[snakeboss]

I saw the video of the press conference and you could tell that it was really edited. Where did you read about the Press conference?

I read it on a summary of the press conferance on one of the WWE Backstage spoiler sites, it said 'Cena came out to huge boos' and I just shook my head.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Heel Cena FTW.

[Shadow]

I wouldn't say the Cena bashing is getting cruel. It was cruel a while ago.

Now it's just getting stupid.

[Rob]

I just watched the NYR press conferance, I read that when Cena came out he got booed like shit, now that's going too far, if you see Cena's face when he comes out, he looks absolutely crushed, I would never boo John Cena to his face, I may not be a fan of his, but that's cruel.

Boo fucking hoo. He is a paid professional. He should take the cheers and boos as second nature. If he doesn't then he is a mark. The people are booing? Make them cheer you then. Being a babyface in pro wrestling is the easiest thing in the world to do when you are WWE champion.

[Gertner]

lol cruel? What the hell are we as friends supposed to do then? He's terrible. I'd boo him too if I were there.

[Savio]

Its also getting unusual.

[Xero]

I just watched it and I loved the look on Cena's face looking at Angle. It was like a "God damn these fans" kind of look instead of an "FU" (pun intended) kind of look.

[Favre4Ever]

So wait.......if i'm not being entertained, I should just sit back and take it so I don't hurt the feelings of a man making millions of dollars? Please.

Oh, one other thing.....the STFU. That will keep me booing Cena for a long time to come.

[Londoner]

I understand what you're saying snakeboss but the fact is, the WWE brought this on thereselves.In a way, you could say the fans are boo'ing Cena because they care about what is happening with him, and they know he could be used much better, boo'ing him at the moment is the only way things will ever change.I do feel sorry for Cena though as i've heard how good a guy he is in real life.

[Savio]

But I'm still he Damnit!:lol: :nono:

You can tell Cena is losing faith in him self.

[Lock Jaw]

It's ok. They're professional athletes. This sort of thing just rolls right off their back.

[jerichoholic169]

dont have a problem whatsoever with the person John Cena, but the character that he plays is old etc. Feel sorry for the guy as creative are really dropping the ball by not doing something about him.

[Nark Order]

If he wasn't terrible, people wouldn't boo him so much. It's really not that hard to grasp.

He should work at not be terrible.

[Corkscrewed]

Well, this gives him the obvious perfect excuse to turn. His whole face run was built upon the "chain gang" and being a wrestler FOR the people. So the people turned their back on him (in this case, literally). So there's the perfect excuse for him to turn heel.

It'll work out in the end; the question is how long they're going to drag this on for. I do like my double turn idea at WM tho. Altho they could do it at Royal Rumble, actually, so that Angle actually gets a win at WM for once. :lol:

[94 SVT Cobra]

No whats fucking cruel is letting cena have the belt more then 5 months after mania, thats whats cruel.

[Y3J]

It just shows the poor state of the WWE writering team. You just can't have a Cena type of wrestler who has 3 moves to be champion for 10 months (3-5months would have been bearable) and not expect the fans to be angry, especially with the talent they have on the roster.

Cena would have been an acceptable champ...say in the 80's but not now

[Loose Cannon]

Yea, they need to turn him, but not to a "You fans turned your back on me grrrrrr" kind of heel. He's already done the bad ass thing. Just look at him now. Why does he get booed? Because he comes off as some wishy washy corporate sellout guy.

So why doesn't he play this off, but hard. Have him act like those famous people we all hate because thier so fake when they are around cameras and people. Have him smiling it up, telling the crowd that he loves them, playing off the boos and thinking everyone is cheering him in his mind, taking pictures with kids (with his camera phone) over doing his childish catchphrases and just acting like a total goofball.

But then we catch him backstage at times, where he's counting his money, and acting like a complete jerk towards other people. They can also have him say stuff like, "Those kids are sure annoying, but they are sure making me rich :lol: "

Something like that would go over great I think.

[McLegend]

Great idea LC. Where did you get that idea from?

[Loose Cannon]

yea, that's half legend's too :shifty:

[Enjay]

Oh you mean give him JBL's gimmick from when he first won the title?

[KingofOldSchool]

Boo fucking hoo. He is a paid professional. He should take the cheers and boos as second nature. If he doesn't then he is a mark. The people are booing? Make them cheer you then. Being a babyface in pro wrestling is the easiest thing in the world to do when you are WWE champion.

I dunno, I always figured it's harder for a wrestler to draw as a babyface than as a heel (well unless it's Stone Cold). I mean for the most part is easier to get people to hate you to the point where people will pay money to see you get your ass kicked (ie: Honky Tonk Man) than it is for people to like you enough to pay money to see you.

[Loose Cannon]

Oh you mean give him JBL's gimmick from when he first won the title?

yea, that gimmick is nothing like JBL's. JBL played a rich businessman Ted Dibiase character who was from Wallstreet. And one that hated immigrants. This John Cena would be doing exactly the same thing he's doing now, except more ridiculous and overblown. And he never acts like a dick when the knows the cameras are rolling.

[Innovator]

Cena had the "I'm about to cry" face. Cmon man he should be used to it by now.

[Innovator]

yea, that gimmick is nothing like JBL's. JBL played a rich businessman Ted Dibiase character who was from Wallstreet. And one that hated immigrants. This John Cena would be doing exactly the same thing he's doing now, except more ridiculous and overblown. And he never acts like a dick when the knows the cameras are rolling.The odd thing is I can see him being that, since he already kisses Vince's ass.

[Enjay]

JBL did that gimmick before, acted like the crowd loved him and vice versa. He shook people's hands, posed for pictures with the kids. While the people were booing he said they were chanting J-B-L, then once he got into the back he acted all dickheaded and laughed at how easy it is to make people like him. It was while Kurt was GM.

[Loose Cannon]

I don't remember that at all, especially the posing for pictures with kids. Probably cause I didn't watch Smackdown a lot during that time. I just remember him talking about his book and making fun of immigrants.

[Enjay]

Eh, it sucked back than anyway. Hardly anyone watched.

[Jaton]

Yea, they need to turn him, but not to a "You fans turned your back on me grrrrrr" kind of heel. He's already done the bad ass thing. Just look at him now. Why does he get booed? Because he comes off as some wishy washy corporate sellout guy.

So why doesn't he play this off, but hard. Have him act like those famous people we all hate because thier so fake when they are around cameras and people. Have him smiling it up, telling the crowd that he loves them, playing off the boos and thinking everyone is cheering him in his mind, taking pictures with kids (with his camera phone) over doing his childish catchphrases and just acting like a total goofball.

But then we catch him backstage at times, where he's counting his money, and acting like a complete jerk towards other people. They can also have him say stuff like, "Those kids are sure annoying, but they are sure making me rich :lol: "

Something like that would go over great I think.


Oh my god, people. LC is channeling the spirit of Alienoid.

[Savio]

JBL did that gimmick before, acted like the crowd loved him and vice versa. He shook people's hands, posed for pictures with the kids. While the people were booing he said they were chanting J-B-L, then once he got into the back he acted all dickheaded and laughed at how easy it is to make people like him. It was while Kurt was GM.
I'd say its different because Cena would be getting Rich off the kids and JBL was just getting rich off the stock market.

[The CyNick]

I feel bad for him in the sense of there's nothing he can do differently to prevent the fans from booing him.

Because the audience isn't as large as it once was, you are going to get a higher percentage of the loud smarkish type fans who boo Cena in part because he sucks in the ring, but also because of his popularity. Its kinda like what happened with Rock. Rock was essentially the same guy, but a certain portion of the crowd turned on him for being a babyface. Rock was still very entertaining and he was the same in the ring as he always was (whether thats good or bad is for everyone to decide for themselves), but they just turned on him.

I dont know why that happens, but it seems like a certain portion of the audience hates guys who pander to the masses. And Cena is even worse because he seems to connecting with little kids , and the 20-something/teens dont want to be associated with the guy who the 5-year old in the front row is going crazy for. I know Hogan had this problem in some of the arenas he went to towards the end of his WWE run in the early 90s.

The knee jerk reaction is to turn him heel. But, then he's turning his back on the fanbase he does have. I mean lets be clear, like him or not, he is the most over guy in the WWE. He may also get the most heat in some places, but from what I've seen, a large portion of the crowd still loves the guy. I was at a couple of shows in the States over the past couple months, and he far and away the most over guy on the shows.

The other problem with turning him is that it will probably make him a face with the same people who are booing him now. If he's allowed to cut the old Cena type promos, those people who likely all of sudden fnd him cool again and cheer him. So then what do you do? Do you turn him every week like they tried to do with Austin in 2001? Seems counter-productive.

PPV buys have remained steady under Cena, so I dont think they should change anything. Let the smarks boo him, and let the rest of the fans cheer him. I'd have him embrace the reactions, and just tell the fans you're either with me or against me, and then maybe even let him single out and rip on some of the fans who are booing him.

He's in a tough spot. As WWE champion you have to fit the mold of what the WWE wants, and if that isn't in line with the fans, then you're in trouble. The thing is thoguh, with Cena, I think the majority of the fans are with him, but the minority are a loud bunch and it makes it seem worse than it actually is. Of course at the end of the day, I'm not going to lose any sleep because Cena is making a lot of money and doing what he loves, so if it's bothering him, he needs to get over himself.

[Shadow]

I love you Cynick.

[KingofOldSchool]

I don't think they should turn him heel, never did. Well atleast for now...I mean right for me Cena is hit or miss promo wise. Sometimes he is actually entertaining on the mic, other times he flat out sucks. I mean let's face it, the only reason why little kids connect with him is because they are pretty much the only ones who thinks constantly making fun of men's penises is funny.

[The Naitch]

It's all part of the masterplan. Management is doing this on purppose and "ignore" the neg reactions so that the pay off will be huge (heel turn, hopefully before Mania)

[Hired Hitman]

If Cena actually acted like a rapper would, then I'd love his character, that he is doing now is blantantly sucking up to the crowd and young people with his "clean-rap" and "cheap toilet/gay-humour", Cena should be careless, selfish and always out for respect, if somebody disses him, he will let them have it.


I personally like most Heels because they actually have balls to do what they need to do, most Faces are "The Crowd will help me!" and I'm all "Give me a break..." a Heel is the true Wrestler, business and sport you need to win and you need to do everything you can so you can get the championship, character twists like a Heel wanting to win the title cleanly as respect to the title or the wrestler he is facing.

There is always an Extreme in Wrestling which I think hurts it sometimes, Wrestlers are either Super Face or Super Heel, Why can't they have Facish Qualities while being a Heel? It adds Character...

[Marc the Smark]

Being a babyface in pro wrestling is the easiest thing in the world to do when you are WWE champion.

Not when the writers suck.

[Loose Cannon]

hey, would be hillarious if they sent MNM to Raw and put them and Chris Masters in a stable with Pretty boy John Cena. Hollywood Enterprise

[The Naitch]

The real Cena will emerge soon enough. I am a huge Rock fan but back in 2001/2002 I started to hate his schtick and cringed at most of his promos. Then in 2003, I had died and gone to heaven

[The Naitch]

hey, would be hillarious if they sent MNM to Raw and put them and Chris Masters in a stable with Pretty boy John Cena. Hollywood Enterprise

nah, Cena shouldn't be in a stable

If he was, I'd rather see Cena with 3 Minute Warning

[The Naitch]

I wonder if they'll ever have him do the Prototype thing again?

[Kane Knight]

I'm not going to read all the replies. I just want to say one thing. My hatred for Cena is hatred for the man onscreen, not off. Most fans probably don't differentiate the two, even though they know wrestling is fake. I do, most "smarks" do and can love JBL even though the guy playing him sucks.

HE gets a lot of undue heat, but he's in a leadership position hmself and could do more, to be honest. He's a team player, and it's a shame he gets shit for that, but this is how wrestling works.

[JiM PolPot v.W.o.]

This is wrestling you are talking about.

If a wrestler can't handle being booed, then he shouldn't be in the fucking business.

Agreed on the point that the writers are terrible.

[Rob]

When you are the WWE champion, you have creative pull. Cena can't blame the writers. Aside from his wrestling ability (unfortunately), he is doing absolutely nothing the same to what he did to get over in the first place. I saw this heading downhill at Mania 20 when he was in the ring marking like a bitch because he was getting a MSG pop. He has never been the same since. No spark, no edge, no snap. He is just stale.

[Drakul]

There is always an Extreme in Wrestling which I think hurts it sometimes, Wrestlers are either Super Face or Super Heel, Why can't they have Facish Qualities while being a Heel? It adds Character...
yeah I've always thought that. I used to always saif I had a wrestling show I'd have no clear face or heel. I'd go for a sort of "depending on how you look at the situation" type thing. Like one guy may think Wrestler A is a face for doing what he is doing but another guy may think he is a heel for doing what he is doing.

[94 SVT Cobra]

If i was cena i wouldnt let the boos bother me personally, just deal with it. He has fans, they cheer him, just not as much as hed like them too. If i was him id be worried about which ferrari/mansion to buy, not why the fans dont like me, beacuse its obvious why they dont.

[KillerWolf]

i was watching RAW last week and i got the sense that the crowd wasnt booing John Cena, necessarilly, but the state of wrestling, and the state of John Cena's character. it's almost as if the fans are getting smarter. or maybe its just that the masses are about a year or two behind us smart fans that post on this fine forum:y: .

but it speaks to the over-ridding problem of character development and the creative staff. that is, basically, everything the wwe does reeks of desparation. desparation to get back the magic that it once had. Vince doesnt realize that the magic was not in the ratings. the ratings were there because they had a sense of direction back then [attitude era]. now wwe is so desparate to find a superstar with mass market appeal (the next Rock) that anytime they have a breakout character (which is what John Cena was) they immediately turn him face, sugar coat him, and shove him down our throats - and maybe have him cut an album. John Cena is just the very embodiment of this trend, and that is why he is being booed. the fans are IMO not booing John Cena, they're booing the wwe.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I almost feel bad. I was oneof the first guys to say "Cena shouldn't be the main guy", but I have never said the guy sucks.

Cena can wrestle. See him in his OVW days, or his early WWE days and you have your evidence. It's just his current moveset lacks any depth. The worst thing about it is that Cena's simple moveset looks cheesy and uneffective. His punches look like an extra in The Ringer's and his shoulder block doesn't look like it could knock one of the kids who cheer Cena down. The F-U is a pathetic finishing move, and I am just waiting for one of the commentators to shoot on it calling it an "elevated fireman's carry slam". The STFU is a great move for Cena, as it highlights his wrestling skill, and it allows him to show some believable passion, but the way he executes it has been "Cena'd" and now it looks pathetically tacky.

This is not Cena's fault. Management has toned Cena down and told him to basically act shit in the ring. People have become ignorant to the fact Cena can wrestle, and it is hurting him in the long run, because even if he has a good match these days, people see him as being carried. Even I was thinking "Jericho's saving this thing" at Summerslam 2005. Cena is far too young to be toned down. He might actually forget how to have a good match.

That brings me to the next point, his character. Anyone who thinks gay and poop jokes are the way to get Cena over is a fucking moron. The same goes for anyone who thinks a white guy from the Boston area coming out, trying to be passed off as being cool, saying something very roughly like "I never give up! I fight until the end!" is an effective way to get a guy over as a face in this day and age. If Cena wrote his own material, and cut his own promos, hitting the points he wanted to hit, and styling the feuds he took part in, it would be seem whether or not he was the guy to be in the top position. In my honest opinion, Cena has not even had a shot to determine whether or not he can carry the company, because he has been a tool of the writers for some time now.

Next I want to mention how much I hate the special treatment he gets. I hate the way they wait several seconds for his entrance theme to play, trying to build "drama" for "the star of the show's appearance". I hate the way the commentators mention his popularity. I hate the way Jonathan Coachman got in trouble for bringing up duelling chants (which were as equally for Cena as they were for Angle) during a John Cena vs. Kurt Angle match. I almost spat out my drink one night when Cena was about to come out with his drawn out entrance and Joey Styles was like "the place is about to become unglued for the WWE Champion..." and then he got about a third of the audience cheering, a third just clapping and a third booing their asses off. It frustrates me that there is some kind of veil covering Cena's popularity, and the WWE won't even let their HEEL commentators mention it. Isn't Cena supposed to be real recognising real? Let him recognise the reactions he gets.

I fear that it may be too late for Cena's reign. I fear that if the WWE keeps the belt on him, people will tune out. And while having him go a further distance as Champion could be interesting in the long run, It might do more damage to Cena than good. Cena can't wrestle a good match in some people's eyes, and even though that is not true, it is being solidified as fact to the point where I don't think some people don't care if he can, it's just so fun to accept that statement.

I am going to say this one more time...I think Cena needs to lose the WWE Championship at New Year's Revolution. If don't think Cena should main event WrestleMania again. It may seem like a waste of the last year, but I think Cena should have an "establishment match" on the undercard. John Cena vs. The Rock? I can see that being good.

Another point (I'm ranting, I know) worth mentioning is that the WWE hasn't established their talent correctly in the past. The WWE Championship was kept away from Chris Jericho for so long that when he finally became WWE Champion, no one cared. Kurt Angle was always made to look a tier below Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock & Triple H, so when he was a top face, no one bought it. Angle beat Hulk Hogan at one stage, but no one cared at the time. I really think Angle's win over Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania 21 has done wonders for him.

Anyway, my point is, the WWE let guys like Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock get away without creating stars in their way out. They were top guys until their final day, and I really think it would benefit the way the WWE can market their top guys if The Rock came back and lost cleanly to John Cena or cleanly to Randy Orton. It's not helping that the WWE's only other top superstars from the past generation, The Undertaker and Triple H (I honestly consider Shawn Michaels a rung below these guys, personally) are constantly going over guys. Granted, I can understand that with Triple H, he is still a full-timer, and he has done a lot of jobs in the past. The Undertaker, however, has beaten Randy Orton in their feud. He won where it really mattered, in the beginning and the end. It's almost sad that the WWE still sees more money in The Undertaker than they do one of their future superstars, who they are trying to push to the moon.

The WWE's poor decisions in the past regarding their top circle of talent has left us with a future of superstars that can't "live off the legends" so to speak, and instead have to pave their own way, which is made exceedingly difficult by the WWE's constant censorship and editting of their characters. I maintain the belief that John Cena and Randy Orton should still be competing for the WWE Intercontinental Championship and WWE United States Championship respectively. They have been pushed to the moon with no backstage pull to control their characters' developments, too young to stand up for themselves and it is all because the WWE couldn't have their hat on Chris Jericho or Chris Benoit because they lost so much to the previous ring of top guys.

So all in all, this is the WWE's fault. They push guys as the second coming, despite not giving us any evidence other than their "popularity" which often dies down when people realise that. Believe it or not, I think marks are more away of the support Cena is getting from management, and how there is a veil protecting his image. The WWE either needs to ditch the veil, or have another guy stand in the spotlight.

It is really a shame, because Cena is a great performer and a great guy. The WWE can't blame this on Cena, only on their impulse to act on a hot character by taking out the hot and replacing it with "overrated". Everything Cena does or says is exaggerated by the WWE, and we have no reason to accept these exaggerations other than we are told to. It's like seeing a movie with plot-holes and being told that what we are seeing makes more sense than any other well made film.

[Nark Order]

I thought that the whole reason that they moved him to RAW was so he could be more like himself and so his "I don't care about anybody" gimmick could continue without UPN putting the sting on them? They were sort of going that direction the day he debuted when he took it to Christian and Goatboy but it all went downhill from there. If they would've had him continue with th rebeliousness and the diss raps, I think it could've actually worked out. It's too late now though.

[Russenmafia]

Cena's character is what is killing him. Guys with limited movesets can get over (ie JBL). I mean calling the STF the STFU makes my blood boil, its so lame.

[McLegend]

Yeah it has nothing to do with his wrestling abilty it's all his character. The Whitemeat baby face died the day Hogan turned heel.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

.

John Cena is just doing what he's told, he tries his best to be entertaining, it'a the writers who've made him keep the belt this long, it's the writers who now write his raps, it's the writers that made him WWE champion when they knew he had a limited move set.

Look, let's face it, Vince McMahon wants Cena as champion, Cena's going to stay champion. Just imagine if you were Cena and you come out to promote a really dangerous match you're going to be in, and they boo you because your boss wants you as champion.

I really think the fans need to give Cena a break, I know they want to make a point, that they want a new champion, but it's obvious Vince couldn't care less about the fans. (see Tim White's second suicide)

I think people need to give Cena a break...

Fuck off that is crap. I know it may be hard for some noobs to understand but not everything that is crap with the wwe is entirely Vince and the creative teams fault sometime it’s the talents fault.

A big reason why John Cena is getting booed is because John Cena has performed at a satisfactory level. Ill give you a few examples of why Cena is partially responsible for the boos he is getting.

Most fans agree that one of the reasons Cena has lost his popularity is that he is a shit wrestler. Cast your minds back to 2004 there was reports that Cena was getting heat backstage because he never turned up to smackdown wrestling classes held by Angle and Undertaker. Although it was not compulsory management strongily advised him to but he didn’t partly coz he was over and at the stage and didn’t feel like he needed it. Cena also continues to be lazy on the mic and the ring. He says the same crap and I know the wwe book it but surely Cena can go up to the writers and say what he wants to say. He is the champion im sure he can has some leeway with the writers but no because Cena has been laconic since he won the us title.

Cena has always been lazy in the ring. I have a lot of examples but one that pops up in my mind was when he was fueding with Angle and Tomko was fighting Cena. The commentators made a big deal about Cena having the affects of a concussion by Angle earlier on. Pity Cena completely forgot to sell the affects of a concussion.

Let me state the booking of Cena has been horrible and unimaginative but its not the primary reason Cena is not over anymore. He may be a great guy off screen, friendly, polite etc etc but it doesn’t hide that the fact that he is too soft to stand up to the writers and take control of his future. I hope that the fans keep booing the shit out of Cena and hopefully Cena will take notice stop being a sooky little bitch and step up and make a decent champion out of himself

[FourFifty]

As a fan I'm going to bash who ever in the hell I want to for what ever reasons sound good to me. I don't like Cena, and if I were at an event where I could cheer or boo him, I would boo him.
I'm sure as a person he's a good guy. If I saw him on the street I'd be thrilled and hope to at least say hi to him. However, the John Cena gimmick is what I don't I like. He was better as a heel and I'd cream myself if he stopped making gay and poop jokes, went back to freestyling instead of talking about the chain gang, and turned heel.

[Shadow]

When you are the WWE champion, you have creative pull. Cena can't blame the writers. Aside from his wrestling ability (unfortunately), he is doing absolutely nothing the same to what he did to get over in the first place. I saw this heading downhill at Mania 20 when he was in the ring marking like a bitch because he was getting a MSG pop. He has never been the same since. No spark, no edge, no snap. He is just stale.

How old is Cena? 25ish? He's a very young man. Would you try to throw some ideas to a writing team, as inept as they are, when you've been given the one thing alot of people would kill to have? No. Cena, outside the ring, is a very humble and courtous young man. He belives the people on the writing team are his betters and know more than him so he'll go along with whatever the hell they think is best for him.

[Deceit]

I hope in some way this turns out to be somewhat like the Rock's heel turn that made him into a star. It might be far fetched, but if they turn him heel correctly after all of this happening, Cena could get huge.

[addy2hotty]

I used to be a Cena mark, but with all the merchandise and the continual stream of T-Shirts and jewellery, I think the (older) fans are looking at him in the same sense that they do at a music star who does the same. A sell-out. Kids and women love him of course, but the older/majority fanbase do not, and thats because their ability to see a wrestler's standard is slightly less tinted.

Angle is one of the best ever, and the fans know that. They know that Cena going over Angle again and again and again is not particularly realistic, and not only that, this reign has got incredibly boring due to the poor feud with Angle.

Many used to see Cena as the natural successor to The Rock, but seriously, the guy has half the charisma, half the ability in the ring (and thats saying something) and just doesn't have that LOOK, well to me anyway.

People knew that 'The Rock' was Dwayne Johnson cut loose. People know that Cena is no rapper, he doesn't come from the 'Mean Streets' of West Newbury, Mass. like he seems to say he does, and despite what he might say in his songs etc, it seems particularly unbelievable that he's always been a rapper.

Cena's gimmick is killing him with the audience, I say take the rapping away, turn him heel and let him say something reasonably close to what HE'D really say in his promos. Keep 'You Cant See Me' if you have to, but drop some of these crap moves like the Five Knuckle Shuffle (which is god awful, and looks even less effective than the Peoples Elbow) and the STFU. Cena is no submission wrestler, he's a brawler - book him that way for godsake.

Cena will be champ until this film he's in flops badly. Then I can see him slumping down the mid-card into Benoit/Jericho territory.

[Kane Knight]

How old is Cena? 25ish? He's a very young man. Would you try to throw some ideas to a writing team, as inept as they are, when you've been given the one thing alot of people would kill to have? No. Cena, outside the ring, is a very humble and courtous young man. He belives the people on the writing team are his betters and know more than him so he'll go along with whatever the hell they think is best for him.

To be fair, he still has some room with which to work.

Humble or not, he has knowledge of the problem and the abillity to take some initiaitve.