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Old 01-06-2006, 01:58 PM   #1
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This Cena bashing is getting cruel...
I just watched the NYR press conferance, I read that when Cena came out he got booed like shit, now that's going too far, if you see Cena's face when he comes out, he looks absolutely crushed, I would never boo John Cena to his face, I may not be a fan of his, but that's cruel.

John Cena is just doing what he's told, he tries his best to be entertaining, it'a the writers who've made him keep the belt this long, it's the writers who now write his raps, it's the writers that made him WWE champion when they knew he had a limited move set.

Look, let's face it, Vince McMahon wants Cena as champion, Cena's going to stay champion. Just imagine if you were Cena and you come out to promote a really dangerous match you're going to be in, and they boo you because your boss wants you as champion.

I really think the fans need to give Cena a break, I know they want to make a point, that they want a new champion, but it's obvious Vince couldn't care less about the fans. (see Tim White's second suicide)

I think people need to give Cena a break...



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Old 01-06-2006, 02:02 PM   #2
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I saw the video of the press conference and you could tell that it was really edited. Where did you read about the Press conference?
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:03 PM   #3
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:07 PM   #4
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The fans are expressing that they don't like what Cena's doing. Writers or himself, they're letting it be known that it's bullshit, and as the WWE says, they went there to cheer and boo who they want. (And when they're on SmackDown!, it means they'll be edited.)

Is it our fault that the WWE doesn't listen to the fans at this point? Sure, they shouldn't for the most part, but God, they OBVIOUSLY need to do something, and fast. Otherwise Cena may never be able to recover.

The fans need to keep giving Cena shit, otherwise WWE will keep Cena exactly as he is and he'll be fucked.
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:08 PM   #5
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I remember when they showed a highlight video of Summerslam and they have Angle posing on the chair with his medal, you hear boos but you can see the crowd cheering and clapping like crazy.

Damn WWE edit jobs, they can't hide the truth much longer
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:08 PM   #6
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I saw the video of the press conference and you could tell that it was really edited. Where did you read about the Press conference?
I read it on a summary of the press conferance on one of the WWE Backstage spoiler sites, it said 'Cena came out to huge boos' and I just shook my head.
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:25 PM   #7
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:26 PM   #8
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I wouldn't say the Cena bashing is getting cruel. It was cruel a while ago.

Now it's just getting stupid.
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:30 PM   #9
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I just watched the NYR press conferance, I read that when Cena came out he got booed like shit, now that's going too far, if you see Cena's face when he comes out, he looks absolutely crushed, I would never boo John Cena to his face, I may not be a fan of his, but that's cruel.
Boo fucking hoo. He is a paid professional. He should take the cheers and boos as second nature. If he doesn't then he is a mark. The people are booing? Make them cheer you then. Being a babyface in pro wrestling is the easiest thing in the world to do when you are WWE champion.
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:42 PM   #10
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lol cruel? What the hell are we as friends supposed to do then? He's terrible. I'd boo him too if I were there.
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:04 PM   #11
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Its also getting unusual.
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:10 PM   #12
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I just watched it and I loved the look on Cena's face looking at Angle. It was like a "God damn these fans" kind of look instead of an "FU" (pun intended) kind of look.
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:38 PM   #13
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So wait.......if i'm not being entertained, I should just sit back and take it so I don't hurt the feelings of a man making millions of dollars? Please.

Oh, one other thing.....the STFU. That will keep me booing Cena for a long time to come.
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:46 PM   #14
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I understand what you're saying snakeboss but the fact is, the WWE brought this on thereselves.In a way, you could say the fans are boo'ing Cena because they care about what is happening with him, and they know he could be used much better, boo'ing him at the moment is the only way things will ever change.I do feel sorry for Cena though as i've heard how good a guy he is in real life.
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Old 01-06-2006, 04:12 PM   #16
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It's ok. They're professional athletes. This sort of thing just rolls right off their back.
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Old 01-06-2006, 04:17 PM   #17
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dont have a problem whatsoever with the person John Cena, but the character that he plays is old etc. Feel sorry for the guy as creative are really dropping the ball by not doing something about him.
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Old 01-06-2006, 04:22 PM   #18
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If he wasn't terrible, people wouldn't boo him so much. It's really not that hard to grasp.

He should work at not be terrible.
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Well, this gives him the obvious perfect excuse to turn. His whole face run was built upon the "chain gang" and being a wrestler FOR the people. So the people turned their back on him (in this case, literally). So there's the perfect excuse for him to turn heel.

It'll work out in the end; the question is how long they're going to drag this on for. I do like my double turn idea at WM tho. Altho they could do it at Royal Rumble, actually, so that Angle actually gets a win at WM for once.
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Old 01-06-2006, 04:38 PM   #20
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No whats fucking cruel is letting cena have the belt more then 5 months after mania, thats whats cruel.
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Old 01-06-2006, 05:01 PM   #21
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It just shows the poor state of the WWE writering team. You just can't have a Cena type of wrestler who has 3 moves to be champion for 10 months (3-5months would have been bearable) and not expect the fans to be angry, especially with the talent they have on the roster.

Cena would have been an acceptable champ...say in the 80's but not now
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Old 01-06-2006, 05:03 PM   #22
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Yea, they need to turn him, but not to a "You fans turned your back on me grrrrrr" kind of heel. He's already done the bad ass thing. Just look at him now. Why does he get booed? Because he comes off as some wishy washy corporate sellout guy.

So why doesn't he play this off, but hard. Have him act like those famous people we all hate because thier so fake when they are around cameras and people. Have him smiling it up, telling the crowd that he loves them, playing off the boos and thinking everyone is cheering him in his mind, taking pictures with kids (with his camera phone) over doing his childish catchphrases and just acting like a total goofball.

But then we catch him backstage at times, where he's counting his money, and acting like a complete jerk towards other people. They can also have him say stuff like, "Those kids are sure annoying, but they are sure making me rich "

Something like that would go over great I think.
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Oh you mean give him JBL's gimmick from when he first won the title?
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Boo fucking hoo. He is a paid professional. He should take the cheers and boos as second nature. If he doesn't then he is a mark. The people are booing? Make them cheer you then. Being a babyface in pro wrestling is the easiest thing in the world to do when you are WWE champion.
I dunno, I always figured it's harder for a wrestler to draw as a babyface than as a heel (well unless it's Stone Cold). I mean for the most part is easier to get people to hate you to the point where people will pay money to see you get your ass kicked (ie: Honky Tonk Man) than it is for people to like you enough to pay money to see you.
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Oh you mean give him JBL's gimmick from when he first won the title?
yea, that gimmick is nothing like JBL's. JBL played a rich businessman Ted Dibiase character who was from Wallstreet. And one that hated immigrants. This John Cena would be doing exactly the same thing he's doing now, except more ridiculous and overblown. And he never acts like a dick when the knows the cameras are rolling.
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Cena had the "I'm about to cry" face. Cmon man he should be used to it by now.
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Old 01-06-2006, 05:18 PM   #29
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yea, that gimmick is nothing like JBL's. JBL played a rich businessman Ted Dibiase character who was from Wallstreet. And one that hated immigrants. This John Cena would be doing exactly the same thing he's doing now, except more ridiculous and overblown. And he never acts like a dick when the knows the cameras are rolling.
The odd thing is I can see him being that, since he already kisses Vince's ass.
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JBL did that gimmick before, acted like the crowd loved him and vice versa. He shook people's hands, posed for pictures with the kids. While the people were booing he said they were chanting J-B-L, then once he got into the back he acted all dickheaded and laughed at how easy it is to make people like him. It was while Kurt was GM.
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I don't remember that at all, especially the posing for pictures with kids. Probably cause I didn't watch Smackdown a lot during that time. I just remember him talking about his book and making fun of immigrants.
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Old 01-06-2006, 05:24 PM   #32
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Old 01-06-2006, 05:36 PM   #33
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Yea, they need to turn him, but not to a "You fans turned your back on me grrrrrr" kind of heel. He's already done the bad ass thing. Just look at him now. Why does he get booed? Because he comes off as some wishy washy corporate sellout guy.

So why doesn't he play this off, but hard. Have him act like those famous people we all hate because thier so fake when they are around cameras and people. Have him smiling it up, telling the crowd that he loves them, playing off the boos and thinking everyone is cheering him in his mind, taking pictures with kids (with his camera phone) over doing his childish catchphrases and just acting like a total goofball.

But then we catch him backstage at times, where he's counting his money, and acting like a complete jerk towards other people. They can also have him say stuff like, "Those kids are sure annoying, but they are sure making me rich "

Something like that would go over great I think.

Oh my god, people. LC is channeling the spirit of Alienoid.
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Old 01-06-2006, 05:47 PM   #34
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JBL did that gimmick before, acted like the crowd loved him and vice versa. He shook people's hands, posed for pictures with the kids. While the people were booing he said they were chanting J-B-L, then once he got into the back he acted all dickheaded and laughed at how easy it is to make people like him. It was while Kurt was GM.
I'd say its different because Cena would be getting Rich off the kids and JBL was just getting rich off the stock market.
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Old 01-06-2006, 08:08 PM   #35
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I feel bad for him in the sense of there's nothing he can do differently to prevent the fans from booing him.

Because the audience isn't as large as it once was, you are going to get a higher percentage of the loud smarkish type fans who boo Cena in part because he sucks in the ring, but also because of his popularity. Its kinda like what happened with Rock. Rock was essentially the same guy, but a certain portion of the crowd turned on him for being a babyface. Rock was still very entertaining and he was the same in the ring as he always was (whether thats good or bad is for everyone to decide for themselves), but they just turned on him.

I dont know why that happens, but it seems like a certain portion of the audience hates guys who pander to the masses. And Cena is even worse because he seems to connecting with little kids , and the 20-something/teens dont want to be associated with the guy who the 5-year old in the front row is going crazy for. I know Hogan had this problem in some of the arenas he went to towards the end of his WWE run in the early 90s.

The knee jerk reaction is to turn him heel. But, then he's turning his back on the fanbase he does have. I mean lets be clear, like him or not, he is the most over guy in the WWE. He may also get the most heat in some places, but from what I've seen, a large portion of the crowd still loves the guy. I was at a couple of shows in the States over the past couple months, and he far and away the most over guy on the shows.

The other problem with turning him is that it will probably make him a face with the same people who are booing him now. If he's allowed to cut the old Cena type promos, those people who likely all of sudden fnd him cool again and cheer him. So then what do you do? Do you turn him every week like they tried to do with Austin in 2001? Seems counter-productive.

PPV buys have remained steady under Cena, so I dont think they should change anything. Let the smarks boo him, and let the rest of the fans cheer him. I'd have him embrace the reactions, and just tell the fans you're either with me or against me, and then maybe even let him single out and rip on some of the fans who are booing him.

He's in a tough spot. As WWE champion you have to fit the mold of what the WWE wants, and if that isn't in line with the fans, then you're in trouble. The thing is thoguh, with Cena, I think the majority of the fans are with him, but the minority are a loud bunch and it makes it seem worse than it actually is. Of course at the end of the day, I'm not going to lose any sleep because Cena is making a lot of money and doing what he loves, so if it's bothering him, he needs to get over himself.
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I don't think they should turn him heel, never did. Well atleast for now...I mean right for me Cena is hit or miss promo wise. Sometimes he is actually entertaining on the mic, other times he flat out sucks. I mean let's face it, the only reason why little kids connect with him is because they are pretty much the only ones who thinks constantly making fun of men's penises is funny.
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It's all part of the masterplan. Management is doing this on purppose and "ignore" the neg reactions so that the pay off will be huge (heel turn, hopefully before Mania)
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If Cena actually acted like a rapper would, then I'd love his character, that he is doing now is blantantly sucking up to the crowd and young people with his "clean-rap" and "cheap toilet/gay-humour", Cena should be careless, selfish and always out for respect, if somebody disses him, he will let them have it.


I personally like most Heels because they actually have balls to do what they need to do, most Faces are "The Crowd will help me!" and I'm all "Give me a break..." a Heel is the true Wrestler, business and sport you need to win and you need to do everything you can so you can get the championship, character twists like a Heel wanting to win the title cleanly as respect to the title or the wrestler he is facing.

There is always an Extreme in Wrestling which I think hurts it sometimes, Wrestlers are either Super Face or Super Heel, Why can't they have Facish Qualities while being a Heel? It adds Character...
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