X3

[loopydate]

I haven't finished it, but fairly early, he talks about being uncomfortable with having to be violent, since he's so deeply religious.

[Kane Knight]

LAME

[Funky Fly]

I haven't finished it, but fairly early, he talks about being uncomfortable with having to be violent, since he's so deeply religious.
That's bullshit. He's always been a swashbuckler at heart.

[Kane Knight]

That's bullshit. He's always been a swashbuckler at heart.

Not in the movies.

[Loose Cannon]

Saw it last night. I usually don't like to rant about movies cause I usually enjoy what I see in theaters, but this one just frustrated me a litte. I liked the battle scenes and the Phoenix character, but for a final movie, it just seemed slow and not as good as the first 2.

Killing of Cyclops was a wtf moment right of the bat. It wasn't even a good death scene. He's been one of the main guys since the first two movies and he's killed just like that. I seriously thought he was going to be behind the door when the X-men were going to the blackbird getting ready for the final battle.

I didn't know a couple of the main heel characters because they never said their names. I guess if you've read the comics and watched the cartoon, you would get it, but if you're just a casual fan, you wouldn't of known who they were. (Mostly Callisto's gang). Unless I missed the part where they said thier names.

Angel did absolutely nothing but annoy me.

I thought I saw Leech or Toad crawling around in the Morlock hideout. Who was that?

The way Juggernaut was killed off or whatever was pretty ridiculous. I wanted to see Collusus take him out.

Ice man vs Pyro was probably my favorite part because they built that up since movie two and you were just waiting for it. It was like HHH/Rock Summerslam 98.

Was Multiple Man ever with Magneto in the comics? Actually, was thier anybody in this movie that was in the Brotherhood in the comics? I know Pyro was.

But yea. Ok film. Seemed like it was rushed to end the series, but had it's awesome moments. This is the movie that probably pissed off a lot of comic readers more then the other 2.

Well I hope they think about making a 4th. We need Apocalypse.

[Kane Knight]

I didn't know a couple of the main heel characters because they never said their names. I guess if you've read the comics and watched the cartoon, you would get it, but if you're just a casual fan, you wouldn't of known who they were. (Mostly Callisto's gang). Unless I missed the part where they said thier names.

You didn't need to. They were largely inconsequential. If you're a casual fan, you probably don't need to know every mutant in there. Many of them were put in as Easter Egg characters.

Angel did absolutely nothing but annoy me.

He's a useless character, what did you expect?

Was Multiple Man ever with Magneto in the comics? Actually, was thier anybody in this movie that was in the Brotherhood in the comics? I know Pyro was.

Does it really matter? A lot of the "Brotherhood" in this movie weren't even villains, let alone in the Brotherhood. So who cares? Why is he, of all the people in the movie, such a big deal?

[The Destroyer]

Awsome movie but im curious about the story they used to not include nightcrawler? Did anyone complete the game and find out?
Alan Cumming apparently didn't want to go through the makeup process again for what was apparently going to be a very minor role, so he decided not to come back.

I thought I saw Leech or Toad crawling around in the Morlock hideout. Who was that?
Not Toad, basically. Just some nameless mutant with similar powers who ended up getting depowered during the attack on Worthington Labs.

[Impact!]

Which is a shame, because Toad is the man.

[Impact!]

Oh and if another movie is made, we so need Mister Sinister













































Sinister!

[loopydate]

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[loopydate]

And this is why I didn't major in graphic design.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

I saw it again last night and enjoyed it alot more which was preety surprising to me

[Fignuts]

You really can't expect a lot of action scenes with colossus and angel, considering the costs it takes to provide such scenes. That said, I'm dissapointed that colossus and juggernaut didn't mix it up. I thought that was a no-brainer.

I agree that the movie was too short. They tried to fit so much in that time frame and it ended up a bit messy. Definitly didn't have the flow of the first two.

I expect we won't see x4 until the two spin-offs have come out. When x4 eventually does arrive I'm hoping for Apocalypse.

Finally, it should be noted that we never actually see cyclops die.

[Fignuts]

What I want to know is why they didn't bring back Sbretooth and toad for this. It would have been the perfect time to do so. And it's not like Ray Park and Tyler Mane are a-list stars. Hell they're not even c-list. Park is primarily a stuntman, ffs.

[YOUR Hero]

Toad was killed. :?:

SabreTooth, yes.

[Kane Knight]

You really can't expect a lot of action scenes with colossus and angel, considering the costs it takes to provide such scenes.

Actually, the cost of computer animation is such these days that it's probably cheaper to do someone like Angel than most of the folks in the movie.

[Kane Knight]

Toad was killed. :?:

SabreTooth, yes.

Toad was electrocuted and dropped into the water. For a Superhero movie, where they can get thrown into solid stone and steel and be unharmed, where several characters are hit by lighting/lasers/zero point energy or bitch slapped by guys who can fuck up Mac Trucks, is this really an end automatically?

[Fignuts]

Toad was killed. :?:

SabreTooth, yes.

I don't think you could consider toad dead. He was launched into a lake. That really means nothing in the world of x-men. Comic or otherwise.

[Impact!]

And as mentioned earlier Toad is the man.

[el fregadero]

Plus his name is Toad, so he knows his way around the water.

[Kane Knight]

And he knows how to survive a lightningh bolt.

However, he will die in X-4 when Magneto washes his clothes without taking him out of his pocket.
Mutant Washing machines are dangerous.

[loopydate]

Do you know what happens to a Toad when it's run through the laundry?

You have to buy new pants.

[Kane Knight]

Do you know what happens to a Toad when it's run through the laundry?

You have to buy new pants.

Wow. You were just a more convincing Storm than we saw in X1. :D

[Skippord]

<img src="http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/65/mistersinister2yy.jpg">
MISTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH SINISTER






































...SINISTER

[Impact!]

Oh and if another movie is made, we so need Mister Sinister













































Sinister!

[Jaded-Dragon]

Alan Cumming apparently didn't want to go through the makeup process again for what was apparently going to be a very minor role, so he decided not to come back.


Not Toad, basically. Just some nameless mutant with similar powers who ended up getting depowered during the attack on Worthington Labs.


Actually, Alan had it on his website for awhile that he was ready and eager to get to work on the next movie. He signed a contract to appear in two films, they simply decided to axe Nightcrawler from the script this go around.

Of course, I think it was because they were trying this whole "Matrix mass mediam" thing. Ya know, when they had the movie, the Animatrix, and the game all come out around the same time, and they all fed into each other? Kind of like how the X3 game is supposed to explain why Nightcrawler isn't in the movie.

[Kane Knight]

http://gayandlesbian.aol.com/straighten-out

Why X-3 is gay...Gayer than you thought...

[Kane Knight]

Actually, Alan had it on his website for awhile that he was ready and eager to get to work on the next movie. He signed a contract to appear in two films, they simply decided to axe Nightcrawler from the script this go around.

Of course, I think it was because they were trying this whole "Matrix mass mediam" thing. Ya know, when they had the movie, the Animatrix, and the game all come out around the same time, and they all fed into each other? Kind of like how the X3 game is supposed to explain why Nightcrawler isn't in the movie.

Wouldn't we have seen a few of these by now then? Animatrix and other offshoots came rapidly after Matrix 2. Did they decide to do this long enough back to put it in a video game, but NOT put anything else out?

[El Fangel]

Me and my friends have a debate going
1) Is Juggernaut dead? Because you don't see him die, or see him after He knocks himself out
2) Where is Sabretooth? He feel off the statue onto the boat, and I seriously doubt that killed him.

[El Fangel]

Sadly they cannot have an Apocalypse story in the movie thats true to the comics, since Jean and Scott are dead, so Cable can't be born. Eh?

Also really besides Wolverine and Storm who is left for the main role, since Jean and Scott are dead and so is the Professor?

and what aboot the coolest non-mutant (Juggernaut) ,why was he a mutant.
that part of the movie I found so annoying because Juggernaut is my fav mutant, and he didn't look, act, or seem at all like Juggernaut.
And why did he have an Austrailian Accent?

[loopydate]

1) I don't think Juggernaut's dead.

2) I think they realized that they made a mistake casting someone simply for looks rather than acting ability, so they're just going to leave him "dead" until they can re-cast him for the Wolverine spinoff.

3) They can do Apocalypse. Who cares if it's not the same as the comics? These are movies.

4) No clue. I guess Kelsey Grammar's probably the biggest star left.

5) Because - in the context of the "world" the movies have created - it makes a whole lot more sense for him to be a mutant. Seriously, watching an X-Men movie, the audience has already suspended disbelief long enough to believe that there are mutants. Do you really need to introduce magical gems as well?

6) He didn't have an Australian accent. It was British.

[Kane Knight]

1) I don't think Juggernaut's dead.

2) I think they realized that they made a mistake casting someone simply for looks rather than acting ability, so they're just going to leave him "dead" until they can re-cast him for the Wolverine spinoff.

3) They can do Apocalypse. Who cares if it's not the same as the comics? These are movies.

4) No clue. I guess Kelsey Grammar's probably the biggest star left.

5) Because - in the context of the "world" the movies have created - it makes a whole lot more sense for him to be a mutant. Seriously, watching an X-Men movie, the audience has already suspended disbelief long enough to believe that there are mutants. Do you really need to introduce magical gems as well?

6) He didn't have an Australian accent. It was British.

1. Probably right.

2. I hope so, but he still should have been in the Last Stand.

3. Isn't it ironic to see someone complain about how they can't do it proper after the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga was just done?

Interestingly enough, the Phoenix storyline involved an alien consciousness, alien allies and enemies, and suicide at the hands of an alien trap. Besides, by the time Cable was born, Jean and Scott had each at least died like, twice. Not to mention Cable probably wouldn't fit that well in the movies.

4. They'll probably do a fourth with Storm leading. She had in the comics.

5. Actually, it was for simplicity's sake. It's not really harder to suspend disbelief to believe the Juggernat got his powers from the gem than it is that he's an unstoppable mutant. It's just more convenient to not introduce those elements, especially if you're going to defeat him with a kid who shuts offmutant powers.

6. Especially since the guy who played him was British.

[El Fangel]

My friends said he was british I was sort of in the middle and finally wenr with it sound more austrailian or maybe it was just the "do you know who I am? Im the Juggernaut,B*TCH" thing that sound austrailian to me.

I am happy to hear that most people here agree with me that Sabretooth and Juggernaut are NOT dead.

And they probabily won't have alot of new mutants as the cost of generating effects with computers is costly and they do alot of it in the x-men movies.

*Holds onto hope of seeing a cable / apocalypse fight*

[El Fangel]

My friends said he was british I was sort of in the middle and finally went with it sounding more austrailian or maybe it was just the "do you know who I am? Im the Juggernaut,B*TCH" thing that sound austrailian to me.

I am happy to hear that most people here agree with me that Sabretooth and Juggernaut are NOT dead.

And they probabily won't have alot of new mutants as the cost of generating effects with computers is costly and they do alot of it in the x-men movies.

*Holds onto hope of seeing a cable / apocalypse fight*

[ClockShot]

I just got back from this film. It was pretty good. I'd put it in the middle with The first movie on the bottom and X-2 on top. I also had the theatre to myself so I was able to act normally. Anyway here's my review:

1. So if they axed Nightcrawler from the film, who was the guy with his teleporting powers at the begining of the Alcatraz battle?

2. Angel. Come on. He gets 20 words, maybe more total? Looking at the primary cast back on page one or two, and trailers, I thought he would be the source of the cure. Didn't know Ratner had Leech hiding in the corner.

3. Yeah, Cyclops got killed off way to early. Was looking around for a body but to luck. Sure call it punishment to play for the enemy (DC comics), but bring him back full time if they go and make #4

4. The Juggernaut. Yeah like everyone else here, I also went crazy when he introduced himself to Kitty Pryde. But he can't be killed off with a bonk on the head. Gotta see brother Charles one last time.

5. I left during the credits. Big mistake. Anybody got a link to the last few minutes after them? I will supply rep.

6. You mean to tell me that ArcLight gets a much bigger role than Besty Braddock?

7. Kelsey Grammer was awesome as Beast. Couldn't have found a better person for the job.

8. Too short.

All in all I give this film a level B. Obviously there are alot of things we can point out and discuss. Will a 4th come out, character flaws, etc. But I think it was great movie. Good job Brett Ratner.

[Kane Knight]

My friends said he was british I was sort of in the middle and finally went with it sounding more austrailian or maybe it was just the "do you know who I am? Im the Juggernaut,B*TCH" thing that sound austrailian to me.

I am happy to hear that most people here agree with me that Sabretooth and Juggernaut are NOT dead.

And they probabily won't have alot of new mutants as the cost of generating effects with computers is costly and they do alot of it in the x-men movies.

*Holds onto hope of seeing a cable / apocalypse fight*

Actually, the special effects are probably less costly than the cast. A lot of places are going to computer animation because it's more cost effective than other alternatives. Pick some small-time stars or nobodies, cast them as mutants, and BAM! Cheap superheroes.

Of course, we'd rather spend 8 trillion on Halle Berry.

[El Fangel]

Well I suppose you are right, but special effects are still costly and the movies don't have any small amount as showing kitty phasing, and the such.
There was alot of no-name mutants that were little more then standins, so I see what you mean there, but the cost of Berry,Jackman, Mckellan(?spelling?)...
..
..and Captain Jean-Luc Picard sort of cancel that out.

[Kane Knight]

No, you don't much get it.

[Fignuts]

Angels scenes actually wern't cg. Just his wings. Saw a behind the scenes of the very costly scene where he jumps out the window.

[Impact!]

Oh and for the people complaining about how the Juggernaut was defeated by a knock on the head. It did make sense because he lost his powers (because of Leech).

[El Fangel]

Well, first of all he was wearing a helmet probabily 4 inchs thick, and he still got knocked out?
Secondly Juggernaut is not a mutant, so leech should never have affected him :(

and im not complaining, I was curious before as to what others thought on wither he died or not.

[loopydate]

At the speed he was going, it didn't matter whether he wore a helmet or not. More than likely, the helmet saved his life (without the helmet, he probably would have broken his neck), but it would still knock him out.

[Kane Knight]

Oh and for the people complaining about how the Juggernaut was defeated by a knock on the head. It did make sense because he lost his powers (because of Leech).

People I think are primarily complaining because he's not a mutant.

And because they wanted to see him vs Collosus or Wolvie or both.

Not that I care either way.

[Kalyx triaD]

X3 is full good moments overall. It's a film about a bunch of cool moments and mutants doing their thing. I'll be honest, this is more like X-Men than the first two films. You have all the wacky battles and over-the-top drama and even the un-needed character deaths. I enjoyed it. Still, I have some issues with certain themes, characters, and scenes.

Young Charles/Eric:
Very interesting FX work. Patrick Stewert specifically looks 20yrs younger rather convincingly. Ian still shows some age, though.

Danger Room:
Wolverine and Storm training teenage mut-... X-Men: Evolution? Anyway, it was nice to have a sentinel; not so nice for it to be off screen the whole time. Logan getting tossed was badass. In this sequence lies my first and most frequent complaint: character plots. Shadowkat is introduced as an X-Man without so much as a flashback detailing her entry. She's just there.

Cyclops:
The only time Scott is a pretty interesting character is when he gets killed off in the first 30 seconds. I like this depressed, stuble-growing, loner Cyclops. I understand why he couldn't be in the rest of the movie, but can't help but wonder how it would be for him to participate. The Scott/Logan/Jean triangle was basically vaporized with 'Cyke as well.

Brett Retner(SP):
It's at this time I notice the director's openning flaws. He introduces (and reintroduces) characters with poor flair. They just appear on screen without so much as a music cue, interesting camera angle or defining speach. Magneto's first scene in the film is what I'm talking about here. Fortunately, you can actually see Brett adjusting to the film mid-movie as the middle and ending scenes seem vastly superior to the first 20 minutes (not by much).

Enter Phoenix:
It's nice how they totally spit on Singer's flaming Phoenix when he was obviously gonna present it for his X3. Still, I do like the one they went for here. Kinda scary when she gets into her final form. Her presence is explained rather poorly. Split personality? Much too forceful. I would've had it so her growing powers simply manifested into this Phoenix entity with a Goddess complex. But that's me.

Angel:
Honestly I expected him to be used for a foreshadowing to a future Apocolyps storyline. Guess I asked for too much.

Magneto Breaks Out Mutants:
Cool how he destroyed that convoy. Very. It's pretty insulting to Magneto as a character, however, that he disowns Mystique over a technicality. Did she not grow up as a mutant? Did she not feel the prejudice? Bad writing. Alot of cool scenes end with bad writing.

Logan Keeps Scott's Shades:
I'm most disappointed in this overlooked and interesting detail. When Logan questions Jean about Scott he pulls out his shades. Wouldn't the writers or the director find that interesting enough to elaborate on? Did Logan have some respect for Scott? We'll never know. Missed oppertunity.

Showdown at Jean's:
Can we safely guess Pheonix killed Jean's parents? I like to think so. The movie gets better from here; after some pretty good scenes. Xavier getting vaporized (or whatever the bitch does to you) really got me at the time. But again a key relationship of the movie-series is vaporized as well. Why have either Magneto or Xavier when the other's dead? The empty wheelchair shot sent it home, though.

Calisto:
Please tell me she wasn't made black to have some type of synergy with Storm. Please. She comes off as some hood-rat from around the way.

Wolverine Jungle Battle:
Something about Logan in the jungle felt right. Then Magneto reminded him why he's not a match for the Master of Magnetism. Gotta admit; everytime Magneto and Wolverine were in the same scene I expected an adaptation of the... Bone Surgery. Xavier got "killed", I was ready for anything.

Rogue:
Sell-out. I would've loved for Bobby to disown her ass and get with Kitty for pulling that shi... Did I just contradict myself? No, I didn't. Anyway, there was absolutely no resolution to Rogue/Kitty/Bobby that satisfied me.

Psylocke:
Just some Morlock thug with powers that has nothing to do with her comic version? Insult to all of her fans.

Building Bridges:
As many times as it was shown and talked about, seeing it in it's entirety was badass. Magneto rules.

The Last Stand:
This is really what people paid to see. On some levels it delivers, but it could've been better. Seeing Beast throw down was unexpected cool. Did Storm maliciously kill Calisto? Abit forced to me. Of all people to go after Juggy when he went after Leech; Kitty?!? Collossus vs. Juggernaut any day of the week. Still, Juggy's line in the floor: Gold. Iceman could've pulled an Ice Slide just once... Speaking of that...

Iceman vs. Pyro:
Interesting and boring at the same time. How?!? I expected more than some DBZ beam battle. I wanna see Ice Slides and Fire Tricks! Iceman going all ice was pretty cool and for some reason surprising. But like many other scenes it was capped off by bad dialogue. "You should've left the school." "You should've stayed." I would've had it like: "You're not so cool after all." *Headbutt* "You're not so hot yourself." But that's just me.

Phoenix Unleashed:
Very visual and scary. I liked it. She just started wasting people at random; by random I mean unimportant characters. Wolverine's 'walk against the wind' was a good moment.

Overall I liked the movie. It wasn't kick-my-ass good but it was interesting. Xavier cheating death totally ruined the angle. But I suppose it coincides with Magneto actually gaining his powers back (my favorite scene in the movie). They're at a point in the franchise to reinvent the wheel here. Go on with the X-Men: Evolution set-up and run with it. But that's me.

[Kane Knight]

Young Charles/Eric:
Very interesting FX work. Patrick Stewert specifically looks 20yrs younger rather convincingly. Ian still shows some age, though.

Meh. Erik already looked older than Charles, so it was probably intentional.

Danger Room:
Wolverine and Storm training teenage mut-... X-Men: Evolution? Anyway, it was nice to have a sentinel; not so nice for it to be off screen the whole time. Logan getting tossed was badass. In this sequence lies my first and most frequent complaint: character plots. Shadowkat is introduced as an X-Man without so much as a flashback detailing her entry. She's just there.

She's shown up in a prior movie. I don't think they needed to add much more to make this reasonable.


Enter Phoenix:
It's nice how they totally spit on Singer's flaming Phoenix when he was obviously gonna present it for his X3. Still, I do like the one they went for here. Kinda scary when she gets into her final form. Her presence is explained rather poorly. Split personality? Much too forceful. I would've had it so her growing powers simply manifested into this Phoenix entity with a Goddess complex. But that's me.

Venus Envy?

I agree though. They fucked it up. But I always found Phoenix boring anyway.

Angel:
Honestly I expected him to be used for a foreshadowing to a future Apocolyps storyline. Guess I asked for too much.


I expected him to be in the movie. We both asked for too much.

Magneto Breaks Out Mutants:
Cool how he destroyed that convoy. Very. It's pretty insulting to Magneto as a character, however, that he disowns Mystique over a technicality. Did she not grow up as a mutant? Did she not feel the prejudice? Bad writing. Alot of cool scenes end with bad writing.

I disagree. I liked the fact that she was viewed as a martyr, but no longer one of them. Magneto's dream had no place for the normal.

Logan Keeps Scott's Shades:
I'm most disappointed in this overlooked and interesting detail. When Logan questions Jean about Scott he pulls out his shades. Wouldn't the writers or the director find that interesting enough to elaborate on? Did Logan have some respect for Scott? We'll never know. Missed oppertunity.


Subtext?

Showdown at Jean's:
Can we safely guess Pheonix killed Jean's parents? I like to think so. The movie gets better from here; after some pretty good scenes. Xavier getting vaporized (or whatever the bitch does to you) really got me at the time. But again a key relationship of the movie-series is vaporized as well. Why have either Magneto or Xavier when the other's dead? The empty wheelchair shot sent it home, though.


I disliked that scene.


Wolverine Jungle Battle:
Something about Logan in the jungle felt right. Then Magneto reminded him why he's not a match for the Master of Magnetism. Gotta admit; everytime Magneto and Wolverine were in the same scene I expected an adaptation of the... Bone Surgery. Xavier got "killed", I was ready for anything.


I was hoping for that. It'd be an awesome way to launch the solo movie.

Rogue:
Sell-out. I would've loved for Bobby to disown her ass and get with Kitty for pulling that shi... Did I just contradict myself? No, I didn't. Anyway, there was absolutely no resolution to Rogue/Kitty/Bobby that satisfied me.


That was pretty bad writing IMO, and the subplot seemed pointless. Especially when you had Beast, a man who did try and cure himself, as a perfect way to drive him the desire to be normal.


The Last Stand:
This is really what people paid to see. On some levels it delivers, but it could've been better. Seeing Beast throw down was unexpected cool. Did Storm maliciously kill Calisto? Abit forced to me. Of all people to go after Juggy when he went after Leech; Kitty?!? Collossus vs. Juggernaut any day of the week. Still, Juggy's line in the floor: Gold. Iceman could've pulled an Ice Slide just once... Speaking of that...


I think Storm was at her wits' end. The bit with Kitty made sense, as they didn't know he'd knock her powers out, and she'd be the logical choice to get him away from the Juggernaut.