X3

[Kalyx triaD]

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/680/680807/new-ix3i-images-20060111021620606.jpg

I'm digging Famke as Pheonix, and Cyclops actually looks as badass as Mr. Howlett. Angel's coming off gay to me and Callisto's an unexpected addition. It just might work without Bryan Singer. Right? Right?!?

[D Mac]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=40377

[Adder]

Callisto? - What are her powers?
Angels? - (besides having wings and flight)

I thought Jean Grey was lost and to return as Phoenix?

[Shaggy]

Vinny Jones as Juggernaut...HELL YEAH!!!!!!!

[Funky Fly]

Callisto? - What are her powers?
Angels? - (besides having wings and flight)

I thought Jean Grey was lost and to return as Phoenix?
If I recall, Callisto's power is superhuman physical ability (super agility strength, speed, etc). Not like The Hulk, but like Wolverine or Daredevil.

[Funky Fly]

Oh yeah, Angel has hollow bones, better than average strength and endurance and really good eyesight.

[Champion of Europa]

Here is another pic of Famke as Phenoix:

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/news-xmenphoenix1.jpg

[Danny Electric]

Funky is right.
I've also read somewhere that Psylocke is in the movie as well, being played by an East Asian actress.
Which is kinda wierd, saying she's british and the sister of Captain Britain.

[D Mac]

Rouge=Major Hotness. :drool: Is she 18 or older? :shifty:

[Blitz]

I like Ben Foster as Angel. He was fucking awesome in Hostage.

Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut seems a little :wtf: to me.

[Boondock Saint]

Rouge=Major Hotness. :drool: Is she 18 or older? :shifty:

She's like 24

[Fignuts]

Fuck

Saw a full body pic of Juggernaut. Looks incredibly gay. Like S& M type outfit.

They should have made him all cg, with vinnie jones's likeness.(Like the rock in the mummy returns.)

When I first heard about juggernaut, I kept thinking how cool Mr. Hyde was in Lof EG. Thought that was really the only route to take.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Where the fuck is Gambit :(

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The trailer looks pretty good. I hope Rogue doesn't have a big part in this. Anna Paquin is annoying. Aaron Stanford is the man though.

[D Mac]

The trailer looks pretty good. I hope Rogue doesn't have a big part in this. Anna Paquin is annoying.


I'll keep her busy for you. :naughty:

[Lara Emily]

Funky is right.
I've also read somewhere that Psylocke is in the movie as well, being played by an East Asian actress.
Which is kinda wierd, saying she's british and the sister of Captain Britain.

Depends on which incarnation you are talking about.

[Danny Electric]

Yeah, I just remembered that. Looks like she's not going to be Betsy Braddock.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Where the fuck is Gambit :(

Supposedly they are torn on rather they want Gambit in or not. Many of the writers feel his personallity is too similar to Wolverine's and thus he isn't needed.

[Johnny Vegas]

Supposedly they are torn on rather they want Gambit in or not. Many of the writers feel his personallity is too similar to Wolverine's and thus he isn't needed.

Are you fucking serious?!?! :mad:

He is the reason i've waited until 3! They even mentioned his name in the 2nd one. Fuck.

http://members.aol.com/thefightingfury/whoclix/gambit.gif

[YOUR Hero]

Mystique is so hot.

[Lara Emily]

Yeah, I just remembered that. Looks like she's not going to be Betsy Braddock.

Or she'll by her after she got put in that Asian assassain's body.

[Lara Emily]

Supposedly they are torn on rather they want Gambit in or not. Many of the writers feel his personallity is too similar to Wolverine's and thus he isn't needed.

That and despite Gambit's popularity there are a ton of people (if not equal amount) who absolutely hate him.

[road doggy dogg]

wait what

I thought Halle Berry vagsanded and went and did Catwoman and wasn't doing anymore X-men films

[Downunder]

Mystique is so hot.

do you have a thing for blue chicks too...

[Loose Cannon]

Was Callisto in the cartoon? Cause her name sounds familiar. Like one of the Morlocks or something.

[Lara Emily]

Was Callisto in the cartoon? Cause her name sounds familiar. Like one of the Morlocks or something.

Yup she was their leader. Well in the comics anyway but she was in the cartoon.

I swear though they are making too many of these cameos are turning former good guys into bad ones.

Callisto (though technically she was in the middle), Psylocke, Multiple Man are all gonna have roles as members or allies of the Brotherhood.

[loopydate]

wait what

I thought Halle Berry vagsanded and went and did Catwoman and wasn't doing anymore X-men films


Until Catwoman tanked, then I think she realized "Oh, wait, I can't carry a film on my own."

[Funky Fly]

Yup she was their leader. Well in the comics anyway but she was in the cartoon.

I swear though they are making too many of these cameos are turning former good guys into bad ones.

Callisto (though technically she was in the middle), Psylocke, Multiple Man are all gonna have roles as members or allies of the Brotherhood.
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF no

I am vagsanding over that right now. Pyro as an American X-kid was bad enough, but fucking come on. :mad:

[Funky Fly]

Until Catwoman tanked, then I think she realized "Oh, wait, I can't carry a film on my own."
To be honest, I'd rather that they didn't bring her back. She was pretty terrible.

[Gonzo]

These movies aren't that bad but I really won't get too interested unless Gambit gets in.

[Danny Electric]

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF no

I am vagsanding over that right now. Pyro as an American X-kid was bad enough, but fucking come on. :mad:

I agree
:y:

[loopydate]

These movies aren't that bad but I really won't get too interested unless Gambit gets in.

You're right. What this franchise needs is a brooding loner with a shady past and an unrequited love for one of the X-girls.

[Gonzo]

I'm not a huge fan of movies and Gambit was the only one of the X-Men I liked. For what its worth I just added a comment. I don't actually give two shits or not if he ever makes it in the movies, as I don't care. Now run off.

[Danny Electric]

Look I am the biggest Gambit fan, but I understand why he isn's in the movies so far and with the upcoming film it seems as if he wouldn;t fit in with the storyline.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

I thought Kitty Pride was going to be Shannon from Lost

[Gonzo]

Look I am the biggest Gambit fan, but I understand why he isn's in the movies so far and with the upcoming film it seems as if he wouldn;t fit in with the storyline.

I've seen both 1 and 2 but I don't really remember all the goings on. I think they are decent movies, but nothing I hold near and dear to my heart. I don't care if Gambit makes it in or not, I was just saying I wouldn't have a genuine interest unless he made it in.

[Danny Electric]

I know and I was just describing that for storyline purposes there was no way they could fit him in. I'd love him in there though.
He had a short scene cut out from X2 though.
Oh and Maggie Grace was originaly meant to play Kitty Pride.

[Gonzo]

Oh yeah? Who played him in X2, or the scene he was supposed to have?

[loopydate]

Initially, during the "Dark Cerebro" scene where it is attempting to kill all mutants, Bryan Singer had planned to show not only Cerebro's effects on the mutants in the Alkali Base, but mutants all over the world. During this scene, Hank McCoy aka Beast, as seen earlier on the television during the bar scene, was to be shown in agony, transforming into his furry form, and fan-favorite Gambit, was to be shown at a card game having his energy powers flare up. This scene was actually shot, using one of Hugh Jackman's stunt men, James Bamford (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0051466/) as a stand-in for the role, shot from behind to remain ambiguous. For whatever reason, Singer decided to cut this sequence altogether and it remains unseen.

[Gonzo]

Ah thanks.

I would imagine that he wouldn't want to show any flashes of any X-Men he had no intention of bringing in. I can see if he did that then there was a huge call by fans to see those guys in the movies, then being disappointed by not seeing them, and trashing the movies as a result.

[loopydate]

Yep. Although he did tease Beast and Angel in X2 ("Hank McCoy" appearing on a TV set in a bar; what looks like the X-ray of a wing on the wall in Stryker's compound) and they wound up in this one.

But it was probably inevitable that those two wound up in a movie anyway, since they were part of the Original Five.

[Gonzo]

Teases that serve as hints I would presume.

[loopydate]

Of course, if that's considered a "tease," the following mutants (according to IMDB) showed up on Stryker's computer while Mystique was searching it.

Paige Guthrie (Husk)
Samuel Guthrie (Cannonball)
Keniucho Harada (Silver Samurai)
Remy LeBeau (Gambit)
Erik Lensherr (Magneto)
Garrison Maddicks (Weapon X)
Artie Madrox
Jamie Madrox (Multiple Man)
Xi'an Coy Mahn (Karma)
Pietro Maximoff (Quicksilver)
Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch)
Kevin McTaggart (Proteus)
Danielle Moonstar
Ororo Munroe (Storm)

Plus, there were folders for Omega Red (who is on the cast list for X3), Muir Island, Project Wideawake (The Sentinels), Franklin Richards, and Cerebro

ALSO, apparently if you use the "zoom" feature on the DVD, you can find:

Elizabeth Braddock (Psylocke)
Alison Blaire (Dazzler)
Sean Cassidy (Banshee)
Tom Cassidy (Black Tom)
Lorna Dane (Polaris)

And others. Looks like Singer wanted to keep his options open. :)

[Blitz]

You have no idea how hard I would mark out if Silver Samurai made into the movies.

[KillerWolf]

Here's what i see. well, first, let me say this: the first X-Men Movie was very good. i would give it 3 out of 4 or 3 1/2 out of 5 stars.

the second movie failed to capture my imagination or my interest. it was clearly a sequel made for profit due to the success of the first film. three quarters of the way through the movie, i was asking myself "what the fuck is going on?" i believe that this second sequel will be just as bad, if not worse. it may be good for comic book fans, but not for movie fans. i see all you comic book fans saying, " ooh, so and so is playing such and such. yaay. ohh and they're gonna have such and such. but with SO MANY characters in one two hour movie, do you really think there will be room for a story, or to develop characters so that you give a shit about them?

i really dont think i am going to be proven wrong on this.

[loopydate]

Personally, I preferred the second movie. The first one was very good, but they spent almost the entire two hours telling us "This is Cyclops. He is the leader. He shoots red shit out of his eyes. His girlfriend is Jean. Wolverine also likes Jean. Wolverine is a shady loner." So on and so forth.

The second movie, they were able to drop us right into the action. It was still character-driven (Iceman "coming out" to his parents, etc.), but they didn't need to tell us why everything was happening, because we already knew from the first movie. Yeah, it got a little convoluted, but I still think it was more interesting.

Still not sure what to think of the third one. I'm excited, sure, because I loved the first two, but there is certainly the chance that it won't be as good. It's always dangerous to change directors mid-franchise, and if the new characters aren't integrated as smoothly as Nightcrawler was in X2, then they could be in for trouble.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I've never read a comic book in my life and X Men still captures my interest. I thought they did a very good job giving every storyline enough time to grab people's attentions. I mean how long was Pyro in X2 and his story is still easy to follow. Yeah there's a lot going on but that's why they made more than one movie.

[Gonzo]

X1 was the same as Spiderman, they had to build a foundation for the casual fan, hardcore fans already know whats going on of course.

I can even throw LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring, that movie laid the groundwork for the whole trilogy and as a result many people think its the most boring one.

[Boondock Saint]

I'd say it's the best.

[Fignuts]

Psylocke is going to be a Morlock. Like callisto's bodygaurd or something. I realise that do to the complex continuity of the X-men storyline, you can't have all your characters comic accurate. Especially with this many. But come on. Psylocke a Morlock?

Also, I'm still pissed that Juggernaut isn't a giant CG walking tank. I'm getting visions of Bane from Batman forever.

[Funky Fly]

Oh god, that will suck so bad. Juggernaut is like Hulk size. The CG from the Hulk's movie was pretty good, so I'm sure it wouldn't be too much effort to make it look like Vinnie Jones is like 12 feet tall.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, except I've seen a pic, and he's not. He wears a muscle suit. Not even a big one.

Hold on, pic comin.

[Lara Emily]

I'll be totally honest I'm psyched for X3 just because Kitty Pryde is getting an expanded role. I'm a total fangirl for Shadowcat. So as long as they don't seriously fuck her up I'm happy.

[Fignuts]

Ok, no pic coming. Forgot the image is on a graphic heavy site. Can't view it with dial-up. Wait til I go to work. I'll show you you're S&M Juggernaut, and teenage goth Psylocke.

Yeah, I forgot to mention Psylocke is dressed like a goth chick too.

[Funky Fly]

I'll be totally honest I'm psyched for X3 just because Kitty Pryde is getting an expanded role. I'm a total fangirl for Shadowcat. So as long as they don't seriously fuck her up I'm happy.
If you're expecting a sassy demon-ninja technonerd avec semi intelligent dragon, you are probably going to be sorely disappointed.

sassy demon-ninja technonerd avec semi intelligent dragon
What do you think a casual reader is going to think when they see ^^that^^ on the screen?

[Fignuts]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/cmm21/darkphoenixb.jpg

Famke Jenson is not aging well.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/cmm21/wrinkles.jpg

Juggernaut. Or is it the gimp from Pulp Fiction? Can't tell, really.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/cmm21/rogue_col.jpg

Here we see Collossus, a large character who can turn his body into solid steel.........hiding behind a rock.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/cmm21/x3newpics2.jpg

I didn't know the murderous hooker from Sin City was gonna be in this. Nor did did I think a teenage, goth Psylocke would either.

[Fignuts]

Arn't the Morlocks supposed to be horribly disfigured mutants. Not hot curvacious teenage girls?

[Disturbed316]

Those girls are horrible mutants. Yuck.

[Fignuts]

They're not the hottest chicks in the world, but they damn sure arn't grotesque.

[Blitz]

Psylocke looks hot. Juggernaut looks moronic.

[Kalyx triaD]

Atleast they have Morlocks, dammit. Give 'em a break.

[Fignuts]

Atleast they have Morlocks, dammit. Give 'em a break.

Yeah, that really doesn't mean anything.

Honestly, this isn't looking great. At this point I am really hoping for suprise appearance by the sentinels. Altrhough they'll probably be giant green aliens from outer space. But that's okay right triad? at least we'll have them.

Idiot.

[Funky Fly]

What the gay? :'(

[Lara Emily]

If you're expecting a sassy demon-ninja technonerd avec semi intelligent dragon, you are probably going to be sorely disappointed.


What do you think a casual reader is going to think when they see ^^that^^ on the screen?

I'm talking about more early Kitty Pryde, I don't expect them to run with her old Sprite or Ariel code names mind you.

[YOUR Hero]

If they aren't going to show the 'ugly' mutants and start 'dolling up' every character, I believe that takes away from the story.
I don't
care about little details, etc but they shouldn't just turn this into a pretty people movie like everything else that we ever see.

[Disturbed316]

They look like the "ladies" in The Longest Yard (Remake, 2005)

[KillerWolf]

sooner or later you guys are going to have to face the reallity that this movie is going to be stupid.

X-Men is a franchise. franchises are about making money, not about making a good movie. this movie will have no artistic value whatsoever.

i'm assuming that it is set for release some time in the summer.

the only questions that were left unanswered by the first two movies are:
"unnggh! what about Gambit?! what about Jugernaut?! what about Goatboy?! unngghh!"

seriously, where are they going with this? is there going to be a final resolution at some point or are they just going to keep introducing more beloved characters into movies that make no sense?

[Splaya]

What's funny is in about 3 months you're gonna be eating your words shock. Just like every other topic and post you make on this forum

[KillerWolf]

What's funny is in about 3 months you're gonna be eating your words shock. Just like every other topic and post you make on this forum
i honestly hope youre right. i would rather be wrong and they make a worthwhile film, than be right and the movie is bullshit. but i dont think i'll be proven wrong here. it is going to be a bad movie.

as far as the personal attack on my character or on the validity of my posts, i'm not really sure where youre coming from with that.

[Boomer]

One picture of each character, guys.

One.

Chill out. It'll be fine.

[Funky Fly]

Hopefully they use camera tricks to make Juggernaut huge because tht picture is fucking ridiculous. It's straight out of Riki-oh.

[Fignuts]

I really don't think there is another director who appreciates, respects, or understands the x-men, like Brian Singer. He's writing a comic for them, ffs.

Shame that he left for gay ass superman.

[McDoogle]

What the hell happened to Nightcrawler? He isn't in the movie?

[Fignuts]

Alan Cummings backed out.

Something to do with his last name being Cummings.

[McDoogle]

What a fucker.

[Funky Fly]

Shit, they could have replaced him. Under all that make up, just about anyone with a dcent German accent could have been Nightcrawler.

Also, the cast is fucking huge, according to IMDB. Bolivar Trask and Omega Red? Unless this movie is a: 3 hours long or b: full of quick cameos, then this is going to be some messed up shiz.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Yeah, I was loving the idea of Red (he's one of my favorites) but I don't really want him in without explaining his backstory and history with guys like Wolverine. :meh:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

And for the record I'm extremely worried they won't even mention Juggernaut's relationship with Xavier

[Funky Fly]

Well, they did cast a British guy, and one with a scummy accent at that, so I guess it'll be the brit version of Charles and Cain.

[YOUR Hero]

sooner or later you guys are going to have to face the reallity that this movie is going to be stupid.

X-Men is a franchise. franchises are about making money, not about making a good movie. this movie will have no artistic value whatsoever.

i'm assuming that it is set for release some time in the summer.

the only questions that were left unanswered by the first two movies are:
"unnggh! what about Gambit?! what about Jugernaut?! what about Goatboy?! unngghh!"

seriously, where are they going with this? is there going to be a final resolution at some point or are they just going to keep introducing more beloved characters into movies that make no sense?

You post this like you are stating a revelation, that movies such as these are franchises. Well of course they are. That doesn't mean that they cannot be done in a decent manner. You're opinions that it will suck, may turn out to be true, that doesn't mean you're hypothesis that because it's a franchise means it'll suck.

[Gonzo]

Shit, they could have replaced him. Under all that make up, just about anyone with a dcent German accent could have been Nightcrawler.

Also, the cast is fucking huge, according to IMDB. Bolivar Trask and Omega Red? Unless this movie is a: 3 hours long or b: full of quick cameos, then this is going to be some messed up shiz.

If they put these many characters in the movie, I wouldn't mind a 3 hour movie at all as long as everything in it meant something to the film.

[KillerWolf]

You post this like you are stating a revelation, that movies such as these are franchises. Well of course they are. That doesn't mean that they cannot be done in a decent manner. You're opinions that it will suck, may turn out to be true, that doesn't mean you're hypothesis that because it's a franchise means it'll suck.

i'm not sure how to respond to this. this rant doesnt quite read like English to me.

[McDoogle]

Thats odd cause it reads quite well to me.

[KillerWolf]

Thats odd cause it reads quite well to me.
you fucking liar! then decifer it for me, ass.

[loopydate]

Shit, they could have replaced him. Under all that make up, just about anyone with a dcent German accent could have been Nightcrawler.

Also, the cast is fucking huge, according to IMDB. Bolivar Trask and Omega Red? Unless this movie is a: 3 hours long or b: full of quick cameos, then this is going to be some messed up shiz.

It's going to be B. Remember, X2 had a ton of characters too.

Professor X
Wolverine
Magneto
Storm
Jean Grey
Cyclops
Rogue
Mystique
General Stryker
Nightcrawler
Senator Kelly
Pyro
Iceman
Deathstrike
Kitty Pryde
Jubilee
Siryn
Colossus
Sebastian Shaw
Hank McCoy
Mastermind (Jason 143)

All those people were in the movie, but a ton of those people were basically cameos. And that's not even counting characters like the Drakes, the President, so on and so forth. (Or characters like Gambit, who had scenes shot, but deleted)

I imagine that we'll get, like, a glimpse inside the facility where Omega Red is being created, just as a tease for potential sequels. Ditto for Trask. He'll be on TV talking about Project Wideawake, or maybe he's leaving a meeting with the President when Mystique/Kelly is on her/his way in.

[Funky Fly]

Hold up, I do not remember Sebastian Shaw in X2. Did they screw with his character or something?

Also, Kitty Pride, Siryn, Jubilee, Hank McCoy (hell even Collosus) were just very brief cameos.

[Funky Fly]

Anyway, Here's the cst according to IMDB. It's in black, so don't piss yourselves.

Patrick Stewart .... Professor Charles Xavier
Hugh Jackman .... Logan/Wolverine
Ian McKellen .... Eric Lensherr/Magneto
Halle Berry .... Ororo Munroe/Storm
Famke Janssen .... Jean Grey/Phoenix
Kelsey Grammer .... Dr. Hank McCoy/Beast
Anna Paquin .... Rogue
Rebecca Romijn .... Mystique
Shawn Ashmore .... Bobby Drake/Iceman
Ellen Page .... Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat
Ben Foster .... Warren Worthington/Angel
Aaron Stanford .... John Allerdyce/Pyro
Olivia Williams .... Moira MacTaggart
Shohreh Aghdashloo .... Dr. Kavita Rao
James Marsden .... Scott Summers/Cyclops
Cameron Bright .... Leech
Daniel Cudmore .... Peter Rasputin/Colossus
Vinnie Jones .... Cain Marko/Juggernaut
Michael Murphy .... Warren Worthington, Jr.
Eric Dane .... Jamie Madrox/Multiple Man
Dania Ramirez .... Callisto
Bill Duke .... Bolivar Trask
Bryce Hodgson .... Artie
Shauna Kain .... Theresa Rourke/Siryn
Mei Melançon .... Betsy Braddock/Psylocke (as Mei Melancon)
Vince Murdocco .... Omega Red
Omahyra .... Stacy X (attached) (as Omyhra Mota)
Kea Wong .... Jubilation Lee/Jubilee

That brings the total to 28, not counting extras. And I have a feeling there could be more who aren't yet credited.

[loopydate]

Hold up, I do not remember Sebastian Shaw in X2. Did they screw with his character or something?

Also, Kitty Pride, Siryn, Jubilee, Hank McCoy (hell even Collosus) were just very brief cameos.

Shaw was McCoy's "opponent" on whatever debate show was on in the bar where Mystique seduced Laurio. I don't know that he's ever actually shown, but McCoy calls him "Mr. Shaw."

And the second half of that statement is my point. Everybody but the pre-existing characters, Beast, Angel, and Juggernaut will be glorified cameos. Like, there'll be a scene with the "new X-Men" fighting against the "new Brotherhood," so we'll see Siryn, Jubilee, et al fighting against Pyro and the Morlocks or something, just as a side story to the main battle. Like the escape sequence in the second movie.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

you fucking liar! then decifer it for me, ass.
He said just because it's a franchise doesn't mean it will suck. Pretty standard statement.

[CharismaInjection]

I hope this is as good as the last two because I heared David Hayter {Writer} isn't writing this one.

[Boondock Saint]

Nightcrawler isn't in it because they have Beast and they felt two blue characters would confuse people. Sad but true.

[KillerWolf]

He said just because it's a franchise doesn't mean it will suck. Pretty standard statement.
okay. but i never meant to say it would suck because it's a franchise. i meant to say that it would suck because it has a cast of like 200 characters. i was merely trying to state that i do not expect a good movie from a franchise - in other words, it will probably suck because its a franchise, but it will definitely suck because the size of the cast alone leaves little room for premise, plot, or emotion.

but now that i think about it in the terms that YOUR Hero stated, i think that it is a safe bet that because it's a franchise does mean that it will suck. of all of the franchise movies out there ( Batman, Alien, Freddy, Jason, and all the rest ), they're terrible films after the second or third one. (exception: the Batman prequil was pretty good). but they are made for money, not because they have a story to tell. and many people feel like they have to see them. a lot of people see these movies knowing it will stink ( rotten milk syndrome ). and on top of that, these kinds of movies are extremely marketable, especially towards children and younger audiences. and that is the only level on which these movies make any sense, because without the name of the franchise, (i.e. X-Men) the movies do not hold up on their own on any level.

[Adder]

They make movies to make money. Always have. Even 'Shindler's List', a movie with a story to tell, wasn't free admission now was it? It was made to make money.

[KillerWolf]

they're not gonna make Shindler's List II, III, and IV either. and there wont be Shindler's List Burger King collectable cups either, i dont think.

dont blind yourself to the point i'm trying to make.

[Lara Emily]

Alan Cummings backed out.

Something to do with his last name being Cummings.


20th Century Fox opted out of the contract He was signed for 2 films, they not he backed out and decided not to use him or the Nightcrawler character

[Lara Emily]

Shaw was McCoy's "opponent" on whatever debate show was on in the bar where Mystique seduced Laurio. I don't know that he's ever actually shown, but McCoy calls him "Mr. Shaw."

And the second half of that statement is my point. Everybody but the pre-existing characters, Beast, Angel, and Juggernaut will be glorified cameos. Like, there'll be a scene with the "new X-Men" fighting against the "new Brotherhood," so we'll see Siryn, Jubilee, et al fighting against Pyro and the Morlocks or something, just as a side story to the main battle. Like the escape sequence in the second movie.

Kitty and Colossus should have larger roles, probably above a cameo.

[Funky Fly]

they're not gonna make Shindler's List II, III, and IV either. and there wont be Shindler's List Burger King collectable cups either, i dont think.

dont blind yourself to the point i'm trying to make.
Everyone understnads what you are trying to say. Go rant in a different thread now.

[loopydate]

Kitty and Colossus should have larger roles, probably above a cameo.

Yeah. One of the clips from the trailer makes it look like there's at least one scene of "new" X-Men walking down the sub-basement corridors.

Can't remember it exactly, but it's Wolverine and I think Storm followed by Rogue, Iceman, Colossus (in human form), and Kitty.

Makes me wonder if something's going to happen to Cyclops, and the new kids need to go all Giant-Size #1.

[CharismaInjection]

Is the bottom of this Synopsis true?

http://www.moviespoilers.net/xmen3.html

SPOILERS




Cyclops dies!

I'm fed up of the way Cyclops is portrayed in the films. He is one of the best characters about, and his mutant ability rocks. He has hardly been in the last two films, and now...he dies???

[Blitz]

Maybe you wanna put that spoiler in black font?

[CharismaInjection]

Done. :)

[Gonzo]

I never understood reading about plots and stories before actually seeing the movie, doesn't it ruin it for some of you?

[loopydate]

I never read plot details beforehand. At least not voluntarily, so I appreciate the black font.

I want to be surprised by as much as possible in May.

[Kalyx triaD]

they're not gonna make Shindler's List II, III, and IV either. and there wont be Shindler's List Burger King collectable cups either, i dont think.

dont blind yourself to the point i'm trying to make.

Is the colored fonts thing back? 'Cause I miss being Red.

[Fignuts]

If they put these many characters in the movie, I wouldn't mind a 3 hour movie at all as long as everything in it meant something to the film.

I am really getting an awful feeling that this will turn into something like Mortal Kombat:Annihalation.

[John la Rock]

X3 Comes out on my birthday :love:

[Gonzo]

I am really getting an awful feeling that this will turn into something like Mortal Kombat:Annihalation.

I don't remember that, thats the 2nd one right? I don't think I ever saw that one.

The thing about it though, if it is going to be a quick movie its pointless to introduce a bunch of characters unless they are going to have a legit impact and contribution to the story. If the movie was made longer into like a 3 hour type deal, I wouldn't mind all the characters as long as they were a benefit to the story, and weren't just in there as filler.

[Blitz]

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/pics/xmen22.jpg

Colossus.

Discuss.

[Funky Fly]

I hope they fill his eyes in digitally before the movie is done. otherwise that will look ridiculous.

[Gonzo]

What does he look like in the comics?

[Gonzo]

Ah less flashy, nevermind I looked it up. Kind of like how they don't have Wolverine in yellow spandex.

[Funky Fly]

It's not a bad Collosus, but he goes completely meal, even the eyes, so they would need to put that in digitally, I guess.

A lot of the time Wolverine wears street clothes (wifebeater/flannel shirt and jeans) in the comics.

[loopydate]

He had metal eyes in X2, so I'm sure that he will in X3. It looks like he's wearing a mask in that pic anyway, and they kept the eyes clear so that he could see where he's going.

[RoXer]

Just caught the trailer on the 24 commercials. Looked pretty hot if you ask me.

[RoXer]

Is the colored fonts thing back? 'Cause I miss being Red.
Oh god, is this where your random red words started?

[AareDub]

Just caught the trailer on the 24 commercials. Looked pretty hot if you ask me.

Yea, I usually just fast forward the commercials, but I had to rewind to watch this one.... twice. Can't wait.

[loopydate]

I actually watched the trailer three times last night, 'cause I, too taped "24." Any doubts I had about Ratner's ability to get across the X-Men "feel" are just about gone.

I love love love love LOVE that shot of Juggernaut chasing Kitty, her phasing through the walls, him just plowing through them. And Jean blowing the X doors out into the hallway (even though we saw that in the previous trailer) is pretty badass. Angel looks cool, too.

[RoXer]

Juggernaut still has to be bigger imo.

[loopydate]

Doesn't bother me. I'm glad they didn't go the CG route, since the last time a Marvel movie had a purely CG character, we got Ang Lee's awful Hulk. Long as Juggernaut is indestructible and incredibly strong, they got him right, imo.

[Funky Fly]

That was pretty badass.

[Kalyx triaD]

That was pretty badass.

I find that agreeable.

Since I honestly have nothing to talk about, I'm gonna bring up ideas that won't happen and proabably never will. Still I wonder if some of you will find it agreeable.

-Tobey Maguire seen taking photos in New York. Nothing more, nothing less.
-Jennifer Connelly in her San Fransico apartment, watching the 'bridge thing' while on the phone with her ex-boyfriend in South America. Just a quick pass by a window or something.
-A black Dodge Charger racing across the background.
-One of the core cast members bumbing into a blind Ben Afflect in the street.

I would find cameos like those most agreeable.

[YOUR Hero]

Does anyone have a 'You Tube' or link to this trailer? I'd like to see it.

[YOUR Hero]

Tobey Maguire seen taking photos in New York. Nothing more, nothing less.


-That would be cool.
Fuck Ben Affleck :mad:

[Blitz]

Does anyone have a 'You Tube' or link to this trailer? I'd like to see it.

http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/1762.html

[Loose Cannon]

wow, that looks sweet. Looks like some major fighting scenes in this one.

[vampiro03]

Frasier is playing Beast? ok. So, is Jean the Phoenix in this one?

[Disturbed316]

Yup and Yup.

[YOUR Hero]

Come on May.

[Danny Electric]

Yeah I saw this piracy thing the other day which featured x-men 3 andi got so excited.

[vampiro03]

this isn't "officially" the last movie, right? I need to see Apocalypse and ONSLAUGHT(and the 18 marvel charecters he easily killed including Thor, seperated Hulk from Bruce, made wolvy think he was a puppy and storm a baby.lmfao)

[Kalyx triaD]

this isn't "officially" the last movie, right? I need to see Apocalypse and ONSLAUGHT(and the 18 marvel charecters he easily killed including Thor, seperated Hulk from Bruce, made wolvy think he was a puppy and storm a baby.lmfao)

Alot of the actors signed to other Marvel movies. Wolverine has his own, but I doubt they're giving Pyro his own adventure; so another X-Men movie is coming eventually. All this talk about it being the last is just to peak interest. And Marvel will want something to compete with DC's current and sense making film plan.

[The Naitch]

What does he look like in the comics?

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3889/12400an.jpg

[The Naitch]

Alot of the actors signed to other Marvel movies. Wolverine has his own, but I doubt they're giving Pyro his own adventure; so another X-Men movie is coming eventually. All this talk about it being the last is just to peak interest. And Marvel will want something to compete with DC's current and sense making film plan.

I heard that there will be 5 parts to this "X3"

X3: 1
X3: 2
X3: 3

and so forth

[Fignuts]

Ok, I'm feeling like 100 times better about this movie after seein the trailer.

[Kalyx triaD]

X-Men 3 comes in 4 days.

This is the count down.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/x_men_3/xmen3_bigteaserposter.jpg

[Innovator]

Just bought tickets, can't wait

[Boondock Saint]

Seeing a midnight showing on Thursday.

It's been getting fairly good reviews so far. Ebert & Roeper gave it 2 thumbs up.

[John la Rock]

probably seeing it Sunday. work + Jays game friday and baseball tourney all day saturday

[loopydate]

I have tickets for noon on Friday (only 'cause the idiot at the counter didn't tell me there was a midnight show). I'll probably see it Sunday, too, since it's my friend's birthday and I think that's what he wants to do.

I'm absolutely geeking out right now. Probably going to go to Blockbuster tomorrow to rent the game, since it supposedly bridges the gap between X2 and Last Stand. Ah, what the hell, I'll probably rent X2 while I'm at it. Can't believe I don't actually own that yet.

The little sneak previews that FOX has been giving us the last couple of weeks have blown me away. The Pyro/Iceman battle looks amazing, as does the Shadowcat/Juggernaut stuff.

[Kalyx triaD]

A few days ago I bought X-Men 1.5 and X2 for under $20 (DEAL!) and I had a little X-marathon that night. I wanna play the game for story purposes, but it ain't something I'd own.

3 Days (2 for some)

[loopydate]

Two days, 12 hours, and about 35 minutes for me.

...not that I'm counting.

[Shaggy]

I had plans to go see it early Friday with my little cousin but now that I know that there is a midnight showing at the theater also I think I will go then...

Hell I wont be able to get any sleep for like the longest time...Ill wake up at 5...go to work...come home at one...watch the first two movies...go see the 3rd one...but the time I make it home Im gonna have to go back to work again...then leave work go pick up my cousin and go see it again...

Damn...perhaps I can fit like an hour sleep in there...for xmen its worth it...

[Kalyx triaD]

According to IGN, there's a small scene AFTER the credits finish rolling. They say it's worth the wait. They did not reveal the extra scene or even hinted it's content.

Oh God, let Angel meet Apocalypse...

2 Days 'til The Stand

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Just went and talked to the guys next to the EB I manage, they gave me two free tickets to the midnight showing :cool:

[mitchables]

Okay, I have just returned from watching this movie. Overall, it was actually pretty good. Ratner seems to have handled the pressure pretty well spot on. Yeah, as speculated, it has its cheesy moments, but then, so have the other two (lest we forget the darling "you're a dick" exchange between Cyclops and Wolverine in X-Men 1). I would probably rate this one better than 1, but juuuuuuust below X2.

For the curious ones, here are some highlights and questionable/low points (in black below, because they contain minor-massive spoilers):

Highlights:


Beast. Beast is awesome. Everything about Beast is awesome. He is like if awesome and fantastic had a blue furry lovechild. He cuts sick towards the end, and made me fall in love with him. Kelsey Grammar is excellent, and I just want to take Beast home and pet him all fucking day.

Multiple Man. I love Jamie Madrox, and he is done very well. Snaps.

Iceman actually icing up. The CGI isn't brilliant, but the fact that he ices up makes it completely worthwhile.

Vinnie Jones actually says, "Don't you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch". I don't know which inspired which, but that is a ridiculously excellent line for all the wrong reasons.

The Fastball Special, which we've all seen, but still rocks.

Pyro. Pyro rocks. Also, there is a pretty sweet Iceman/Pyro battle.

There is a sweet showdown involving the Golden Gate bridge, and it rocked my face.

The Phoenix stuff is cool, but also pretty fucked up.
Questionable/fucked up/low points:


Okay, so for starters, Cyclops dies ridiculously early on. We all knew it was going to happen, but it happened really early. He has like 4 lines in the movie, and then you don't even get to see him die, and it's never really even explained.
Angel seemed like a total ring-in character. He also has like 4 lines, and does very little toward the story other than the significance of him being the son of the inventor of the mutant "cure", but really, any mutant could have been put in there and had a similar effect.

Juggernaut's helmet is fucked up. Really fucked up. It literally looks like it has been fashioned from styrofoam. Maybe they should've docked Halle Berry's salary a bit and splurged out on some decent head protection for poor Vinnie.

This is probably what I would consider the low point of the movie. I didn't understand why it had to happen for any other reason but shock value, and the end totally demeans whatever meaning was supposed to be derived from it in the first place. I speak, of course, of the Phoenix's absolute obliterating disintegration of Charles Xavier. I wasn't expecting it, and I wasn't really all that thrilled by it.

After the credits, there's a scene involving Moira McTaggart checking on a patient, and he says, "Moira..." and she looks at him and says, "...Charles?" and it blacks out. Come on.

The only time you see a Sentinel is what you saw in that clip that was posted. The Danger Room sequence. No other mention of Sentinels whatsoever.

Colossus doesn't have a Russian accent. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it.
There is absolutely no reference, whatsoever, to Charles' and Cain's relationship.

Juggernaut's less-than-awesome defeat at the hands of Kitty Pryde and Leech.
Yeah, so overall, it is not bad. Like I said. X2 > X3 > X1. Wolverine is the tits. No Nightcrawler though :(

[mitchables]

OH, ALSO, I saw the trailer for Pirates of the Caribbean 2, and it looks incredible :'(

[Impact!]

:'( I wish I hadn't of read those spoilers. Damn you Mitch, damn my curiosity. Woulda marked out like a lil bitch for some of that. :'(

[Kalyx triaD]

:'( I wish I hadn't of read those spoilers. Damn you Mitch, damn my curiosity. Woulda marked out like a lil bitch for some of that. :'(

Some of us have a lil more control. :)

1 Day (Later tonight for some)

[Innovator]

Mitch did you see the part at the end of the credits?

[mitchables]

Mitch did you see the part at the end of the credits?

Yes, yes I did. It is mentioned in my spoilers, but in the event that you don't/didn't want to wreck the movie for yourself, then yes, I did.

[loopydate]

Probably going to go to Blockbuster tomorrow to rent the game, since it supposedly bridges the gap between X2 and Last Stand.

So... I did. And it's pretty frustrating. Basically a straightforward hack-and-slash when you're playing as Wolverine, which I am on the level I'm stuck on. At least with Nightcrawler, there's some strategy involved ('porting to get the drop on an enemy or to get to safety). And Iceman's controls are pretty different, but fun. The only strategy with Wolvie is hack hack hack, run away to heal, hack hack hack, run away to heal, hack hack hack. Still determined to finish before I go to see the flick tomorrow, but I don't know that that's going to happen.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

ROFL, I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS IN THERE. Highlight.

Magneto now sets his sights on Alcatraz and the destruction of the source of the cure, Leech. The best part of the movie now begins as Magneto storms the Golden Gate bridge, ripping a part of it off in order to connect the mainland with Alcatraz. The X-Men are getting prepared to face Magneto even though there's only 6 of them against his whole army. Magneto sends his "pawns" towards the army guarding Alcatraz and they shoot the mutants with the cure. Magneto's powers are useless against the plastic guns so he has Arclight send out shockwaves to destroy the guns. He then levitates cars from the bridges and Pyro lights them up and rains them down on the soldiers. It is now that the X-Men arrive! Awesome arrival by each one of the X-Men and they form a line in front of the army. More Brotherhood mutants charge and the fight is on. Juggernaut is sent to kill Leech and Kitty goes after him. She jumps him and pulls him down into the ground and that's when Juggernaut goes, "Do you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" Kitty gets to Leech but her powers won't work and Juggernaut knocks his way in. He charges at them and they jump out of the way as he knocks himself unconscious on the wall. His powers don't work either. Storm faces off with Callisto and she throws Callisto down on a metal fence and electrocutes her.


Edit: I see that Mitch had it in there already. :p

[mitchables]

Yeah sensational part of the movie, everything from the storming of the bridge onwards.

[mitchables]

UmbrellaCorp, what did you think of Xavier's death?

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Gotta say, it really floored me. And when Storm and Wolverine found Xavier's wheelchair and started crying, it actually got me. Was amazing after the credits though, when he wakes up in the body of that catatonic patient.

Brilliant movie, all the way through.

[mitchables]

Gotta say, it really floored me. And when Storm and Wolverine found Xavier's wheelchair and started crying, it actually got me. Was amazing after the credits though, when he wakes up in the body of that catatonic patient.

Brilliant movie, all the way through.

Yeah, I really wasn't expecting it. In hindsight, looking back on it the morning after, it was probably not as bad an event as I originally thought. It was shocking, because like I said, I really was not prepared for it, and that part which you referred to moved me a bit too. I really enjoyed the movie overall, most of my low points are small things that are more a product of the translation to the medium than anything else.

[loopydate]

:lol: Just found out I'm seeing it twice tomorrow. My friend's birthday gathering that was supposed to be Sunday got moved up to Friday, so now I'm seeing the noon show here, then driving to the next town over to catch it with my friends at 4:05.

I really hope it doesn't disappoint.

[Downunder]

I saw it yesterday, took the arvo off work. It was good, as good as the other 2. I've got 1.5 and 2 on DVD so I will def be adding 3. :y: :y: :y:


BTW I saw a trailer for Superman - looks like a pile of crap, a big steaming pile of supercrap. :n: :n: :n:

[Jaded-Dragon]

Got back about an hour ago... The movie wasn't terrible by any means, which I was almost sure it would be. There are a few things that really bug me, but that's only because I am a fan of the original comic. Anyway, highlight.

Juggernauts powers being sapped by Leech... He's not a mutant...

Angel's role in the film, if you could even classify that as a "role".

Colossus didn't do much.

Two of the main characters being killed off in the first 30 minutes of the film.

Magneto being a completely heartless bastard.

Was that GUY throwing bones at Wolvie supposed to be Marrow?

Beast was awesome, Wolvie was brutal, and Storm actually did something.

I'm yet still pissed about Nightcrawler not being in there.

You never actually see "The Phoenix". Sure you see Jean as the Phoenix, but I was looking forward to seeing the giant bird of fire. Especially since they already teased it in X2.

And in the end, I guess the "cure" was only temporary. Which leaves them wide open for another movie. Not to mention the scene at the end. Jean has been brought back from the dead numerous times. But I'm curious to see how they handle the Prof X/Cyclops situation if they do decide to do another film.

The special fx were great, the overuse of mutant powers was awesome, and the directing portion wasn't bad either. The screenplay could of used a little work though. Looks like David Hayter did a little more than people thought.

[Downunder]

Gotta say, it really floored me. And when Storm and Wolverine found Xavier's wheelchair and started crying, it actually got me. Was amazing after the credits though, when he wakes up in the body of that catatonic patient.

Brilliant movie, all the way through.

SERIOUSLY????!!!!

I had a feeling I sould stay until the end of the credits but I bailed halfway through. Fuck it I'm going to have to see it again now :love:

[Champion of Europa]

I really enjoyed it. I felt like some characters weren't given enough to do, so I'm hoping for an extended edition. But I really enjoyed it. I'll have to rewatch X2 to be able to compare. I forgot to stay for the end credit scene. But its not like i won't see it 7 times while cleaning the theater.

[Boondock Saint]

I liked it a lot. Just as much as the other two. If I had to rate them, ...I'd prolly say better than 1, almost as good as 2. Haven't seen either in sometime though.

Saw it in a theater with a bunch of comic fans, so it was quite the experience with the clapping at certain scenes/nods. ]

Good stuff. :y:

[Lara Emily]

Amazing! Ratner really held his own taking over for Singer. I loved Marsden's "punishment" for taking a role in Superman lol.

As a Kitty Pryde fan I was exstatic about the extent of her role in the film. I dunno if I just got used to them but the uniforms looked better than they had in any of the other films. Was the different colour trim in the other ones? I can't remember, Kitty's pink uniform really suited her, I'm gonna look into getting one because I'm that much of a dork.

Anyway all in all it was my favorite of the 3 barely beating out X2 (though I fully admit it very well might be because it didn't suck and Kitty Pryde had a decent role in it, I'm bias in that respect) . The only realy critique I had is that they should have added roughly 10-20 minutes of character exposition, as some events just seemed to happen too fast.

Minor correction spoiler from a previous post The guy throwing spikes was not Marrow (as I thought as well at first) but a version of Spike from the X-men Evolution cartoon (a different version of Spike actually appears in the comics as well)

One more thing ---> How awesome was full body Iceman

[Boomer]

How could you like this movie? Sersiously...I didn't like it at all. I have never seen so many characters needlessly get killed off for nothing.

Everyone around me in the theater said it was crap afterward. Maybe it's just that everyone around me had a pretty good idea of the comic books. I understand that it is a film adaptation, but this movie took alot of leeway with characters. Alot.

My two cents.

[Lara Emily]

How could you like this movie? Sersiously...I didn't like it at all. I have never seen so many characters needlessly get killed off for nothing.

Everyone around me in the theater said it was crap afterward. Maybe it's just that everyone around me had a pretty good idea of the comic books. I understand that it is a film adaptation, but this movie took alot of leeway with characters. Alot.

My two cents.
Who do you think got needlessly killed off? Besides they kill of characters all the time in the comics, usually never permanently, so really death is never really a big deal lol.

As for leeway, the movies from day 1 have been faithful to the spirit (and the spirit alone) of the X-men, it captured the essence while telling their own tales with their own character variations, were there bigger character changes in X3 then the others sure, but look back at the other films, namely Rogue, they completely changed her back story.

BTW nice subtle insinuation that those who liked the movie don't have a good grasp on the comics.

Gonna add a couple more comments on the movie.

The weakest element was John Powell's score, not a big fan of it at all.

I actually thought Halle Berry actually managed to finally be a decent Storm with her "beefed" up part.

One element has my Kitty fangirl side fighting with my Film Student side, the decision after every major event in the film to constantly cut to a reaction shot from Kitty was odd, part of me likes it because hey it's more Kitty but my film student side didn't really see the point

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Saw it last night, soooo sick

[Boomer]

Here are the things I did not like. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, and I expect people to argue with me, which I really don't care to do. This is just my opinion.

Cyclops and Mystique got needlessly brushed out of the storyline. Considering Mystique was by far one of the most important villian characters of the first two movies, I was not pleased that she "took the bullet" for Magneto. And come on, bringing her back for a bit part that puts her on the "good" side only to have it spoiled by 90 Multiple Men is stupid. Please. But naked Mystique on the floor, however, is ok by me.

Use Beast more. Besides a very few agile manuvers, he basically played a more diplomatic role...which is fine I guess... but when you are going to introduce a character, use him more. I applaud this movie for utilizing Storm to her full potential, after being horribly used in the first movie. Also, having Wolverine not know Beast seems like a typical movie move. Beast was an orignal member of the X-men (as I am sure alot of you know), and he also happens to probably be the highest mutant political figure in this universe of the X-men. Wolverine is absolutely oblivious to who he is? I mean Beast even comments on how his suit used to fit him...you'd think Wolverine would have heard of former members. But that's just a tiny little thing that probably only pisses me off. BEAST IS A LEGEND AND I LOVE HIM. Kelsey did alright. Not great, but good enough.

Angel was flat out useless. I shouldn't even have to argue here. Why intoduce such a good character at the beginning of the movie before the opening credits roll only to have him do nothing. He saved his father. Wow. He also happened to be another original member of the X-men...which I would give them the benefit of the doubt of writing this out of the screenplay...but they used him horribly. He has NO bearing on the plot at alllllll.

Magneto got defeated by the most basic manuver EVER. Are you kidding me? Like Magneto didn't somehow think of watching his own back? Beast leapt a hundred feet into the air right behind him...and all Magneto does is just stare at Wolverine while he holds him down. If you are going to rip Magneto of his powers, at least make it a worthy battle. That is all that I ask. And don't get me started on that bullshit ending. Has Magneto lost his powers? Can he still move metal? Fuck that. I hate it when movies make exceptions, and people have to come up with explanations like "Magneto is older, so his genes are stronger" to justify it for themselves. Maybe that is why he hasn't lost his powers. Maybe not. Whatever the case, if you are going to rip the powers from one of the best villians ever...at least make it tragic or something. He could come back as a tragic hero in some capacity. That might have been an interesting turn on Magneto.

If you watch the Blackbird scene, according to everyone around me, right before the kids are playing the video game in the car, somebody is sitting in a seat that is blatantly named PS3. I don't know if I believe it...I'd have to see it again to do so. If it is true, wow. I hate product advertisment like that. Especially in movies and video games. It has no place in this movie...if it is there...but I can't vouche for it...someone will have to lookout for it...I am curious.

I always liked the fact that Juggernaut was Xavier's brother. Always put a nice touch to his character. But they chose to change that, which I guess is ok, but I think they could have fleshed him out a little more at least.

Wolverine's healing powers were ridiculous in the final scene with Jean Grey. Cool CGI, but I don't buy him being able to survive what Charles Xavier couldn't...even if Jean Grey wanted Logan to live deep down.

I don't like the mixture of teenage drama and mutants. Kitty Pride was fine, but having her constantly stare at Iceman only to see Rogue storm off is stupid. I hate teenage drama in real life...let alone in an action movie.

Final battle...seven X-men was it? Outnumbered? You bet. But they are the X-men after all...so I guess I can let that go. The fact that Magneto did nothing in the final battle but watch is (I guess) a typical movie villian move.

That Juggernaut line was ridiculous. I can't believe he actually said that. For the sheer ridiculous nature of it...I have to say it may have been my favorite part of the movie. But the guard earlier in the movie said "I'll spray you in the face, bitch", so I felt like they were just overusing the typical one-liners. Leave the one-liners to Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell.

I'm sure I could keep arguing, and I'm sure you all disagree with me. Whatever the case...it just wasn't for me. I love the first two though...they both did a great job of making the world of the movie into a truly unique X-men universe.

[ClockShot]

Damn hearing all your reviews it should be a damn good movie. The only downer I heard from around the net is that it was WAY to short.

[carrythezero]

I saw it today and it was real good. Sure, there were a few things that they could've done better, but overall it was a really good watch. I'd say it was better than the 2nd and close to the 1st.

[DaveWadding]

It was ok. The FX were good and some parts were just mindblowing (i.e. "Phoenix" Jean vs. Xavier :drool: ) Others just left me cold.

[Funky Fly]

Just got back an hour ago.

Pretty good shit overall. Like Mitch said, better than X1, but not as good as X2.

Juggernaut wasn't as retarded looking as those pictures made him seem, aside from the penis helmet. Didn't really dig the fact that he wasn't as physically intimidating as he is supposed to be (like 7 feet and 900 pounds). Oh well. "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"... priceless. The way he got KO'd... less so. Even without his mystical strength, he's a pretty big dude with military training and could easily take 2 kids.

Just how many human-looking mutants were there in those protests? Aside from the fire guy, iced up Iceman, that fire-breathing guy, Mystique and Beast, Angel and armored Colossus there really weren't any mutants who looked unusual? I guess they spent all their money on Storm's flying/lightning CGI and Berry's paycheck.

Boomer, I suppose that last Magneto scene was supposed to indicate that this wasn't the last stand at all (ie. Leech's powers are only temporary).

Pyro came off more like the psycho he is in the comics. Goos shit.

Wow, Psylocke was useless.

Arclight, huh? Last I checked, she was one of Sinister's minions and was more into killing other mutants (namely the Morlocks, the group she was a part of in the movie).

Angel was kinda useless. No indication he'd be an X-man or just another student.

They say Cyclops is dead, but you know how comics are: no body = he's still alive. And what's this about Marsden being punished?

Xavier moving his mind into the catatonic guy shouldn't be a shock. Jean moved her mind into Emma Frost's comatose body one time after Trevor Fitzroy's sentinels from Bishop's future blasted her. Nice touch, IMO.

Grammer was really good as Beast. We all knew it was gonna be that way, but still. :heart:

They could have done this Phoenix thing better, but it could have been a lot worse too. :-\

WTF was up with Magneto? Pawns? He'd never stand by while mutants were being mowed down like that. In fact, there was so much metal around that he could have done it by himself.

And WTF the whole Mystique being ditched thing? Even worse her face turn.

Whoooo Multiple Man. Even though they made him heel, his twisted jokes were still there. :cool:

I'll probably get this on DVD.

[mitchables]

Boomer,

The PS3 thing is in the movie - plain as day, in fact - but I don't think it's product placement, as it then cuts to Colossus or someone in a different chair and it says "PS4". It seemed more like a seat-number than a deliberate Sony plug.

I also agree with Wolverine's healing powers being ridiculous in that final scene. If you remember in the first movie, he got so ruined by Sabretooth/explosions/car accidents when Sabretooth ambushes Wolverine and Rogue that he actually needed to be nursed back to health by Jean at the Institute. But massive chunks of his torso fly off and he takes it on the chin? :$

Nonetheless, having had a couple of days to reflect on it, I really did enjoy it overall. This was no TMNT III. It was definitely a worthy sequel.

[Smitty]

I thought this movie was decent, but definetely needed like another half an hour haha (blame FOX studios for that one). They say there won't be a sequel...bull fucking shit. The whole Wolverine healing fast has to deal with the fact that all of the X-Men have been able to use their powers better as time goes on (Rogue for example) But yeah, there needs to be more X-Men movies, cuz this movie definetely did not leave me with satisfied closure.

[Boondock Saint]

There will definitely be more X movies. Especially if this one does huge business over this long weekend. Whether the same cast is involved remains to be seen.

We'll get a Wolverine and possibly a Magneto movie before an X4 though.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Overall, I think the movie probably was good (not great like some of us think) but the shock value of it all put it over the top honestly. Though I love this movie more than life right now (saw it again).

[el fregadero]

I still can't get over that "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch" part. It was great. The movie was pretty good, but yeah, not great really. At the end once I saw the chess thing I knew Magneto was about to be seen moving metal again.

[Lara Emily]

Funky, it's been rumoured that Marsden was punished for taking a role in Superman Returns by having Cyclops marginalized.

[Lara Emily]

Saw it again and it still stands as an awesome film.

As for Juggernaut ---> One of his let's call it human flaws is that he's never really the smartest guy in a room (he's not stupid necesscarily but he's not a thinker), along with the ego that comes with being virtually unstoppable, he tends to just rush into things, which is exactly how he got defeated. Kitty is known to be pretty much one of the smartest X-men (though I suppose the movies don't really establish that), so really Kitty outsmarted him, end of story, it worked for me.

[Skippord]

I saw it and liked it better than the other two the one thing that pissed me off though was Collosus getting shown like 4 times and only throwing Wolverine

Read it if you care

[mitchables]

I was content with the minimal screen time for Colossus. I love the character, he is one of my favourites, but Daniel Cudmore is a horrible choice.

[Boomer]

I figured the PS3 thing was just the numbering on the seat...but don't you think it's kind of ironic?

Also, if Leech's powers wear off, don't you think one of the scientists would have noticed it in the initial testing? I'm probably just being a Negative Nancy.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Not a spoiler, but it's pretty funny for those who are interested/curious about the Juggernaut.

http://realjuggernaut.ytmnd.com/

[loopydate]

I absolutely loved it. I'd put it a notch below X2, but on repeated viewings, it may pass it. Here come the spoilers.

<font color=black>"Magneto has also exhibited powers of astral projection and telepathy, though his abilities along these lines appear to be minimal." - from Marvel.com. If he has mild telepathic/telekinetic powers that aren't a part of his natural mutation (there are superpowered beings in the Marvel Universe who aren't mutants, after all), that would explain how he could manipulate the chess piece (which I was pretty sure was either plastic or wood) despite having his mutation "cured."

I was thinking that the bone-throwing guy was Random, but I'm not sure.

I was disappointed in their use of Angel and Psylocke in particular. These are two pretty interesting characters (even if Angel's powers are pretty lame), and they were reduced to the background. Angel sort of got a chance to show off at the very end, saving his dad, then soaring over now-peaceful San Fran, but the only things Psylocke does are materialize out of the shadows and...die. At least Arclight and Spike (which is who I guess they were going for with the blowfish kid) get to kill some people.

How freaking badass was Phoenix? When she evaporated Xavier, I wasn't sure how to react. It was hard, but there was also the thought "Xavier's the most powerful telepath in the world. He could survive on the Astral Plane for a while." But when she started disintegrating soldiers and Morlocks and weapons and...everything, it was damn cool.

I personally liked the way Juggernaut was defeated, for the same reasons Lara mentioned. He's not a rocket scientist, and he thinks he's invulnerable, so it's not that farfetched that he would be suckered into having his powers leeched and knocking himself out running headfirst into a wall. I would have liked to have seen more out of him, since Vinnie Jones is the man, but I thought he was a well-done character.

I didn't even really care that they ignored the fact that he's Xavier's half-brother. Sometimes, you just have to make changes. That backstory is convoluted as hell, and it's easier to make him a mutant than to have him stumble into a cave and discover the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak during the war. The audience has been built up through two movies to believe in mutation, we don't need to be adding magic to the storyline now.

I was a little disappointed that the Sentinels weren't actually real, but with the Project Wideawake tease in X2 and the fact that the President talks about "by any means necessary" to Trask in X3, there's still the possibility of them coming out in sequels.

I'm not all that shaken up by Cyclops' death. He was never really that interesting of a character, imo. I mean, he's a good leader and all, but he falls to pieces way too easy. Like, anytime anything remotely bad happens to Jean, he's absolutely worthless. Storm and Wolverine and everyone else can fight through their angst, but Cyclops runs and hides and cries about it until Jean's okay, then he's Mister Leader Guy again.

Anybody else think it'd be cool if Iceman's headbutt on Pyro wound up splitting John's head, forcing him to start wearing a half-mask in sequels?

GREAT nod to the long-time comic book fans by having Storm kill Callisto. That fight was really well-choreographed and -shot, and the ending was really satisfying. Plus, the shot of Callisto's piercing still being red-hot and smoking afterwards was awesome.

It seemed really odd to me that they got an actress of Shoreh Agdashloo's caliber and gave her such a tiny role. She was good, it just seemed like that role could have been filled by a non-Oscar-nominated actress just as well.

One thing that bugged me (just a little bit, though) is that - now that they had Xavier transfer his consciousness into the coma patient - they can't do that with Psylocke now. It'd just seem redundant.

I keep talking about sequels, even though they haven't been confirmed. I wouldn't be surprised if they did make at least one more, and I hope - if they do - that they develop a relationship between Xavier and Moira. Their son, Proteus, is one of my favorite villains ever, and he'd be more than enough for the X-Men to handle now that almost all of the villains from the first three movies are out of the picture.

On that same note, everyone's saying "But if they make another one, there aren't enough X-Men coming back," but I don't really believe that. Yes, they killed off Jean and Cyclops, Rogue got "cured," and Halle Berry says she won't do another one (I actually believe her this time. I think she's burned out on superheroes after the spectacular failure of Catwoman). But I haven't heard Hugh Jackman say that he wouldn't come back after his Wolverine spinoff. Plus there's still Beast, Iceman, Angel, Colossus, Leech, and Kitty, plus the chance to elevate one of the "background" characters from X3 (like they elevated Kitty and Colossus from their cameos in the first two) like Siryn or Jubilee. And now we know Charles isn't dead, so...

I suppose that's all that's going to pour out of me for the time being. I'm sure I'll come up with more the more I see it. In conclusion, I was more than satisfied with The Last Stand, although I still think I'd rank it just a notch below X2 (which may be my favorite superhero movie ever).</font>

[Skippord]

GAMBIT should come in if they do another one.

I thought Psylocke was an emo guy the whole time

[UmbrellaCorporation]

The lack of Gambit was the only thing negative about this movie.

[loopydate]

I don't understand that thinking. Gambit is almost the exact same character as Wolverine, except he can make stuff blow up (and there are already plenty of characters who can do that in the movies). He's cool in comics and the cartoon, but he'd be redundant in the movies.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I dunno, really. I don't think that Gambit would've been a crucial character to the plot (even though he was one of the main comic/cartoon characters). It's just that it feels like there's a missing link or something when they leave a character like that out, even if he's only in a few shots for a short amount of time.

[Destor]

"Magneto has also exhibited powers of astral projection and telepathy, though his abilities along these lines appear to be minimal." - from Marvel.com. If he has mild telepathic/telekinetic powers that aren't a part of his natural mutation (there are superpowered beings in the Marvel Universe who aren't mutants, after all), that would explain how he could manipulate the chess piece (which I was pretty sure was either plastic or wood) despite having his mutation "cured."I think Magneto moving the piece says that the cure was as effective as the military hoped. Allowing Rouge and Magneto and Mystiqu to return in sequels if necessary.

[loopydate]

<font color=black>That seems to be the most popular theory. But I really didn't think the pieces looked like they were metallic. I could have been wrong on that, but I thought they looked like they were plastic or wood.</font>

[Skippord]

Its cause Gambit is my favorite charachter

[Ninti the Mad]

Just saw it.

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<font color=black>Didnt like Cyclops death. Didnt like Xavier's death. Didnt like Jean Grey's death.

I can understand that people will die but that was such a bullshit way to go about things.

Also, that was such a weak X-men lineup at the end. Storm and Wolverine? Okay. Iceman? I'll pass. But adding a lineup with no buildup of credibility pissed me off. I couldnt take their roles seriously. I was dissapointed to an extent.</font>

[Ninti the Mad]

PS. Loved the vintage X-men costume that Beast was trying to wear. LOL

[Lara Emily]

I was content with the minimal screen time for Colossus. I love the character, he is one of my favourites, but Daniel Cudmore is a horrible choice.

--->In terms of acting ability sure but he has the perfect look for Colossus, that type of look is not easy to find so the casting is at least somewhat excusable

[Lara Emily]

I dunno, really. I don't think that Gambit would've been a crucial character to the plot (even though he was one of the main comic/cartoon characters). It's just that it feels like there's a missing link or something when they leave a character like that out, even if he's only in a few shots for a short amount of time.

Meh Gambit is so utterly overrated it's not even funny, if they bring him in, it better be a cameo at best, if not cannon fodder in some massive death scene

[Lara Emily]

That seems to be the most popular theory. But I really didn't think the pieces looked like they were metallic. I could have been wrong on that, but I thought they looked like they were plastic or wood.

---->They were blatantly metallic, they looked nothing like wood or plastic.

[Skippord]

Gambit>Iceman

[Skippord]

Jean Grey's death was sick

[Lara Emily]

Gambit>Iceman

Hah never.

[Lara Emily]

Jean Grey's death was sick

The look of relief on her face just before she closes her eyes is heartbreaking.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

GAMBIT should come in if they do another one.

I thought Psylocke was an emo guy the whole time



I heard the reason that they didnt bring in Gambit was that his character would be too simmilar to wolvie with the whole outsider thing. But if they would be a x-4 then I would assume Wolvie would take more of a leadership role so it would work.


And Josh Holloway (Sawyer from Lost) would be fucking perfect as Gambit.

[YOUR Hero]

You guys are nitpicking things. You're doing the whole "it's not exactly like the comic book" type stuff that really is bothersome.

It was a good movie, better than the other two or at the very least on par with #2.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just saw this movie last night. Highlight for my thoughts:

Juggernaut was awesome. I don't care that his relationship with Charles wasn't brought up, or that he wasn't a tank or that he was classified as a mutant, he was just so awesome. "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" made this movie for me. If there is a sequel, Vinnie Jones needs to be back.

I really believe there should be a sequel. Bring back Juggernaut and Pyro as Brotherhood members. It isn't faithful to the comics, but I think they should bring in Mr Sinister as a mutant. Maybe have him able to counteract Leech's powers? Sinister gets Mystique to join their side, Multiple Man makes a return, as does Magento. Havok can make his X-Men debut, effectively replacing Cyclops and can have the honour of killing off Mr Sinister. At the end, have Angel fly off and run into Apocalypse. There's your fifth movie.

I just want to see some more Juggernaut and Pyro, damn it! Oh, and the way Juggernaut got bested makes perfect sense. He had no clue about Leech's powers, and is probably used to just running through anything and everything. It makes sense he wouldn't hold anything back.

I can't figure out who was Spike. Was he the one that fought Wolverine in the forest (who I originally though it was), or was he the porcupine-esque guy? I still think he was the forest guy. Who was Psylocke? I thought the chick that was in the Brotherhood was Jubilee?

Mystique turning on Magneto made perfect sense to me. When she was left by Magneto she felt betrayed. She was left as a naked human, which must be the ultimate slap in the face to Mystique, being completely human and left for the world to see as she is, in her entirety. I doubt it was her joining the forces of good as it was her simply getting payback.

But yes, the Juggernaut and Pyro must be back if there is another. Even if they are the sole villains, and Juggernaut stumbles across the gem of Cytorrak which enhances his powers to that of what we expect of the Juggernaut (bitch!).

Great movie.

[John la Rock]

Just saw it. Better than 1 yes but it does not match the sweetness of X2

Beast, Pyro, and Wolvie were fucking awesome. I am a little pissed about the Sentinel scene. Huge mark out moment and it wasn't even real. It should have been put at the end for god's sake.

Other than that i thought the movie was fine

[Funky Fly]

Loopy, I doubt the hand spike guy was Random. Random's hand becomes a gun and he generates random counterpowers to superpowers. Also he's huge and snow white.

Still not feeling Juggernaut's defeat. He's actualy pretty crafty.

Also Proteus is Moira McTaggart's kid, but not Xavier's. You must be thinking of Legion. Then again, Legion isn't Moira's kid either.

Also, I'm pretty sure we can stop with the black font now.

[High Impact v.W.o]

Nope

[PorkSoda]

Question: Is this movie really worth seeing in theatres?

I saw the first two, can't really remember them though, and I don't think I liked them very well.

I only wanna see it to see the Juggernaut say who he is :yes:

[John la Rock]

the special effects alone are worth seeing it theatres

[Innovator]

Loopy, I doubt the hand spike guy was Random. Random's hand becomes a gun and he generates random counterpowers to superpowers. Also he's huge and snow white.

Still not feeling Juggernaut's defeat. He's actualy pretty crafty.

Also Proteus is Moira McTaggart's kid, but not Xavier's. You must be thinking of Legion. Then again, Legion isn't Moira's kid either.

Also, I'm pretty sure we can stop with the black font now.If they do an X4, Proteus has to be in it....just so Colossus gets a bigger part

[loopydate]

---->They were blatantly metallic, they looked nothing like wood or plastic.

Hmm. Guess I just need to see it again.

Darn.

[Danny Electric]

Amazing! Ratner really held his own taking over for Singer. I loved Marsden's "punishment" for taking a role in Superman lol.

As a Kitty Pryde fan I was exstatic about the extent of her role in the film. I dunno if I just got used to them but the uniforms looked better than they had in any of the other films. Was the different colour trim in the other ones? I can't remember, Kitty's pink uniform really suited her, I'm gonna look into getting one because I'm that much of a dork.

Anyway all in all it was my favorite of the 3 barely beating out X2 (though I fully admit it very well might be because it didn't suck and Kitty Pryde had a decent role in it, I'm bias in that respect) . The only realy critique I had is that they should have added roughly 10-20 minutes of character exposition, as some events just seemed to happen too fast.

Minor correction spoiler from a previous post The guy throwing spikes was not Marrow (as I thought as well at first) but a version of Spike from the X-men Evolution cartoon (a different version of Spike actually appears in the comics as well)

One more thing ---> How awesome was full body Iceman


I think Spike can be found in the X-Static series, where he dies after a couple of issues.

[Danny Electric]

Oh and if they bring in Moira's kid in X4, then it would just be a rehash of X2. A mutant who can adapt your surroudings to make you think whatever he wants you to think.

People who know me, know that I'm a massive X-Men fan. I even have Angel tattooed on my arm
I thought the film was ok but then I think I had been building this film up for ages. It was no way as good as two but then i thought it was better than the first.

Spoilers

What disapointed me the most was the storyline build up was kinda weak, there was no real character development with the new guys. Pretty poor.

Also I honestly thought that Cyclops would come back at the end or something, but that never hapened. I actually hate Cyclops, no way near as good as his brother Havok.

They really, really underused Betsy. That was so disapointing. Same goes with Angel, I was hoping for this superhero but all we got was some guy pulling faces and coming to save his dad.

My mate made me laugh, he said everyone could be brought back if they bring Bishop in, in the sequel. Use time travel and bring all the dead characters back. As easy as that :)

I'd love if if they focus more on Angel in the next film, bring in an injury to his wings. Show him gradually getting depressed and then bang along comes Apocalypse with his Horsemen, which includes Gambit (love).
Is it me or was Callisto one of the four horsemen?

Wasn't too impressed with Mystique's demise but in a storyline was it shows Magneto's hatred for humans. Even though she saved him, he still can't help her because of he despises 'homo-sapiens'.

The whole Cain and Charles thing is just like instances from the last two films.
Sabretooth and Wolverine should have been the worst of enemies but instead they barely knew each other. Mystique not finding out that Nightcrawler is her son, stuff like that. But I suppose this just adds on more to storylines.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

It was disappointing in the sense that it could have been an awesome movie but it was only just a good one.


I agree with Danny Electric the first half an hour was horrible. Not enough character development and just general dialougue. And everything seemed to go to fast.

Magneto, Pyro, Wolvie and the Beast are the only characters who I believe had enough impact and time. Storm bored me and Angel, Iceman, Rogue and Collosus where all drastically underused.

Cyclops and Xavier deserved more time as well.

Juggernaught was fucking horrible. That’s all I have to say.

I think there could be an x-4 only if Magneto regained his powers as hinted towards the end, Xaiver returns, Storm is still the headmistresses and maybe concentrating on the government unleasing the sentinels.

The x-team could be Wolvie, Storm, a returning Beast and Nightcrawler and juiced up roles for Iceman, Kitty Pride and maybe Gambit (of course played by Sawyer)


It should have been longer

[RoXer]

I should play Gambit.

[Smitty]

I should play Gambit.

There was a rumor that the guy who plays Sawyer on Lost was going to play Gambit...which would have fucking ruled.:y:

[road doggy dogg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=juggernaut+b1tch&v=6QXUXQ8miHs

The sole reason why this movie owns.



(nah jk the movie was sick but I pissed myself at that quote)

[RoXer]

No. I should play Gambit.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5KSMXzbSw

Heres a treat for all my fellow posters. The last episode of the greatest x-men tv show ever.

This series was my introduction to the x-men universe when I was 8 or 9 so it holds great memories for even though it has kinda of aged badily

[Danny Electric]

OK, I may be blind but where the fuck was Omega Red?

[loopydate]

It was a cameo. During one of the crowd shots of Magneto's "gathering" (the gathering is in the trailers, so I'm not going to black it out), there's a close-up of one guy who has an "omega" tattooed on his neck.

That's it.

[Disturbed316]

Saw it today. Thought it was a great film. Thoughts in spoiler black below:

- I thought Cyclopse's death came waaaay too soon. I don't care whether it was punishment, they should have built up his loss more than a couple of seconds of emoness

- The whole scene at Jean's house was amazing Xavier's death was a pretty nasty way to go. While the effects were awesome, I didn't really like that part, it just didn't seem right

- Juggernauts helmet was amazingly stupid. "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch" was simply amazing :love:

- Human Mystique was hot, although it was a pretty lame way to go

- I had mixed feelings about Jean's death. While it was pretty emotional, it just didn't feel right for some reason. Wolverine should have been ripped to shreds during his walk up to her, which probably tainted it slightly due to it's ridiculasness. Still pretty sad though :'(

- I knew from the begining that Grammer as Beast was perfect. Was really funny when he tried on the X-Men uniform, should have had more screen time though

- Magneto losing his abilities should have come after a huge fight/battle and not some crappy ambush. The end was pretty awesome though as it leaves a big question mark over whether the effects are lasting

[loopydate]

My biggest complaint about the movie as a whole, and this has nothing to do with spoilers:

It was just too damned short. It was only 105 or so minutes long, and they could easily have gone another half hour without it feeling too long. I know Ratner likes his movies fast and punchy, but an extra half-hour would have erased a lot of the complaints about lack of character development.

I have a feeling, though, that there will probably be some good deleted scenes on the DVD when it comes out. An extended cut would be a good idea, imo.

[YOUR Hero]

Why develop the characters that aren't the main dudes. All the main players had their development in the first movie. The other characters in these movies are just there to compliment or fight the XMen. The only type of development a guy like Arc Angel should get is slow and gradual (if he's in more than 1 movie) The way they decided to use him (forget about the comics or cartoons) was perfect.

[Lara Emily]

Why develop the characters that aren't the main dudes. All the main players had their development in the first movie. The other characters in these movies are just there to compliment or fight the XMen. The only type of development a guy like Arc Angel should get is slow and gradual (if he's in more than 1 movie) The way they decided to use him (forget about the comics or cartoons) was perfect.
So is it your argument that the X-men really only consist of Wolverine and Storm? Cause that's the only two who had any real development in X1 and were still main players by the time X3 roled around.

BTW the idea behind developing new characters is so that if you ever wanted to do you could take the plethora of other X-men and do movie after movie with different casts and still be able to sell it.

[YOUR Hero]

Xmen is about Wolverine, yes. Then everybody else.
Perhaps you missed Rogue's and Magneto's development in the first movie, too bad.
Iceman and Pyro were built (#2), Jean, they build her through the 3 movies. But hey, I must be wrong. Cause Kitty, Colossus, Juggernaut, Arc Angel et la were all completely miscast and/or misused.

[Impact!]

Saw it today, was good, but after all the hype on here I thought it was a little lackluster. But that could be blamed on me knowing what happened in it before hand. Xavior's death was good, probably my favourite scene in the movie.

Only real problem I had with the movie though is the fact that it really didn't seem like a final end. IMO they need one more to finish it (Two would be awesome) .

[loopydate]

Why develop the characters that aren't the main dudes.

Because I want to care about the characters. If I have no emotional attachment to them, if they get hurt/die, it doesn't do anything for me. In this movie, a ton of people get killed and - rather than thinking "OMG, s/he killed (whoever)" - I'm just kinda shrugging and waiting for the next shot.

It's basic moviemaking. If you're going to have life-or-death stakes, make us care about who lives or dies. And outside of maybe five-to-ten characters (in a cast of 20+), I just didn't care.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about delving deep into their backstories to tell us about the exact moment they discovered their mutation. But at least let them show one human characteristic. A few of the new characters got to exhibit some personality (Callisto, Juggernaut, Kitty, even the Multiple Man cameo), but the vast majority of the new characters were just cannon fodder.

How hard is it to write a five-second scene where Psylocke sees Angel on TV and gets a crush on him? Or have Colossus writing a letter to his family in Russia?

With an extra 15-30 minutes, you can add in little tidbits of information that, combined, takes maybe five minutes, then you have time for more action scenes with more characters that we have an emotional investment in.

---

And this holds true for any movie, imo. Any movie with a large ensemble cast, if I'm only given reason to care about some of the characters, it hurts the overall picture.

[Kane Knight]

Who do you think got needlessly killed off? Besides they kill of characters all the time in the comics, usually never permanently, so really death is never really a big deal lol.

I know you're not retarded, but I'll remind you that the comics have a totally different tone. There are aliens and cosmic beings who can bring people back, deaths are rarely as obvious or complete as several of these were, etc. This is a movie where Jean Grey was always Phoenix, where even Juggernaut is a mutant, where none of the extraordinary Deus Ex Machina are around to explain returns of people killed off.

[Kane Knight]

So is it your argument that the X-men really only consist of Wolverine and Storm? Cause that's the only two who had any real development in X1 and were still main players by the time X3 roled around.

BTW the idea behind developing new characters is so that if you ever wanted to do you could take the plethora of other X-men and do movie after movie with different casts and still be able to sell it.

They built up these characters quite well, I felt. Considering the limited time given to a movie, and the number of movies that is considered a theoretical cap these days (3) in which they had to do it...

They were just kids. That was the idea behind this movie in the first place. The X-Men weren't all established going into X1, and they did okay. This is something that actually happened in the comics, too, where the reigns were handed over to new characters, several of which were relatively fresh faces.

I think having Drake, Pride, and even the Young Rasputin step up was awesome. Even though Collosus really could have used more development, I think they did fine with Drake and Pryde. I would have liked a little more depth with Beast, but at least it was understood that he was a student, prior.

I don't think the idea was to develop a plethora of new characters, as they clearly didn't do that. I think the idea was to push newer characters to replace the more expensive, established ones (Except Wolverine, and unfortunately Storm, as they need a different actress) and replace them with characters that not only fit canon but allowed for a lower budget (castwise). They didn't even try for versatility of a large number of characters, and didn't continue to establish new characters. These are the folks we're getting, and they did develop them.

[Kane Knight]

Only real problem I had with the movie though is the fact that it really didn't seem like a final end. IMO they need one more to finish it (Two would be awesome) .

IMO, they did a good job. They wrapped it up in many ways, insomuch as fans won't feel gipped without a 4th. There was a lot of doubt as to whether or not there would be another after this, so it's good that there is some degree of finality.

And yet, there is still enough room that they don't have to make a new series if they opt to do another.

They did exactly what a comic book franchise should do, IMO...Except for killing off certain people.

[Skippord]

Why wasnt Collosus Russian?

[el fregadero]

Maybe he was Russian with a really good English accent.

[loopydate]

Born in Russia, raised in the States?

[el fregadero]

Yeah, gotta think outside the box, Skip.

[Kane Knight]

Maybe Russians aren't heavily accented?

I mean after all, Storm's supposed to be from an African tribe.

Wolverine's supposed to be Canadian.

Xavier's supposed to be Atlantean.

Magneto's supposed to be...Wait...Magneto was supposed to be a british guy.

[Blitz]

I thought is was great. I'd put it on par with 2.

[Blitz]

Oh, and there's no way I believe Cyc is dead. Didn't see a body, didn't even really see a death scene.

[Blitz]

Also, that spiny Morlock is credited on IMDB as "Kid Omega"

[Kane Knight]

Oh, and there's no way I believe Cyc is dead. Didn't see a body, didn't even really see a death scene.

Jean asked Wolverine to kill her before she killed someone else.

Honestly, I think there's a good chance he's been written out. permanently.

[Lara Emily]

Xmen is about Wolverine, yes. Then everybody else.
Perhaps you missed Rogue's and Magneto's development in the first movie, too bad.
Iceman and Pyro were built (#2), Jean, they build her through the 3 movies. But hey, I must be wrong. Cause Kitty, Colossus, Juggernaut, Arc Angel et la were all completely miscast and/or misused.


I meant the X-men the team not the movie as a whole, Magneto is a villain, so is Jean in this film and as for Rogue she's a bit player in X3. You are also changing your story, as you said all the developing had occured in X1.

[Lara Emily]

They built up these characters quite well, I felt. Considering the limited time given to a movie, and the number of movies that is considered a theoretical cap these days (3) in which they had to do it...

They were just kids. That was the idea behind this movie in the first place. The X-Men weren't all established going into X1, and they did okay. This is something that actually happened in the comics, too, where the reigns were handed over to new characters, several of which were relatively fresh faces.

I think having Drake, Pride, and even the Young Rasputin step up was awesome. Even though Collosus really could have used more development, I think they did fine with Drake and Pryde. I would have liked a little more depth with Beast, but at least it was understood that he was a student, prior.

I don't think the idea was to develop a plethora of new characters, as they clearly didn't do that. I think the idea was to push newer characters to replace the more expensive, established ones (Except Wolverine, and unfortunately Storm, as they need a different actress) and replace them with characters that not only fit canon but allowed for a lower budget (castwise). They didn't even try for versatility of a large number of characters, and didn't continue to establish new characters. These are the folks we're getting, and they did develop them.

I had no problem with the development of Kitty and Drake in X3 (Colossus as you said is a slightly different story but at least his role is slowly getting bigger). Would have i liked more, as a Kitty Pryde fangirl of course but I definitely was pleased with what I got. My contention was with Hero stating they needed no development at all (or that it would be a waste of time) since they weren't "main characters" and were just there to fill out the ranks of the X-men (A point I disagree with considering as I said only two X-men that had any real role in X3 had any true development in X1). I'm glad they beefed up the presence of Kitty, Peter, Bobby,etc.. and weeded out some of the older members, the beauty of the X-men is that there are so many people to work with ( mutants like Siren have already been shown and eastablished and could be expanded upon in later films if needed much like Kitty was) that as long as you do it right you can keep recreating new teams and really have an endless number of possible films

[Lara Emily]

I know you're not retarded, but I'll remind you that the comics have a totally different tone. There are aliens and cosmic beings who can bring people back, deaths are rarely as obvious or complete as several of these were, etc. This is a movie where Jean Grey was always Phoenix, where even Juggernaut is a mutant, where none of the extraordinary Deus Ex Machina are around to explain returns of people killed off.

Point taken but they definitely set themselves up so that they had an out for almost each death (real or metaphorical).

[Lara Emily]

Maybe Russians aren't heavily accented?

Exactly

Even in the comics Colossus' wasn't, his english having been taught to him via telepathy,

[loopydate]

Wolverine's supposed to be Canadian.

Yeah, but his healing factor cleared that right up.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, but his healing factor cleared that right up.


Every time he has the urge to say Eh, his healing factor repairs the brain damage, yeh?

[loopydate]

You bet. Same with "aboot."

[loopydate]

And any time he wants to talk about curling or "Da Vinci's Inquest."

[Kane Knight]

Don'tdiss Curling, Jack O'Neill's a fan! :rant:

:shifty:

[Kane Knight]

Exactly

Even in the comics Colossus' wasn't, his english having been taught to him via telepathy,

His English wasn't even that broken in the comics, so I ain't complaining. :D

[Blitz]

Interesting...is this why everyone was mentioning Josh Holloway for Gambit?
From IMDB:

# Josh Holloway was offered the role of Gambit, but turned it down because the character was too similar to his character on "Lost" (2004). As a result, the character was never added to the film since this would have been a special cameo put in later had Josh decided to sign on.

[McDoogle]

Awsome movie but im curious about the story they used to not include nightcrawler? Did anyone complete the game and find out?