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What Would Kevin Do?

02-28-2006, 01:46 AM

If they really want the MITB to go to Flair, why not have Flair get taken out by Carlito? Then have Carlito win it. In "The interest of fairness." Have Vince give Flair a contract that says he can fight Carlito at any time for his MITB match, assuming Carlito hasn't used it.

I dunno, it'd be an interesting twist. The champ looking out for Carlito, Carlito looking out for Flair, Flair trying to use his contract on Carlito before Carlito uses his. Plus, it's set up so Flair could beat Carlito without killing MORE of his momentum.

Mr. Nerfect

02-28-2006, 01:53 AM

Carlito will probably end up in the match. I dunno, I kinda want to see Kane & Big Show vs. Carlito & Chris Masters at WrestleMania.

Fryza

02-28-2006, 01:53 AM

What Would Kevin Do?

02-28-2006, 01:59 AM

No, because that would just be WWE burying newer talent for already established talent... AND we know that neither Cena or Hunter would do the job to Flair (not long anyway)... But it's better than putting a fifty-seven year-old man in a ladder match...

Nah, not really. A. Carlito could lose in a way that wouldn't hurt him. Hell, he could be feuding w/ someone, and during a random match, the person he's feuding with smokes him with a chair, knocking him out. Flair rollls in w/ his contract, pins Carlito.

Anyway, I think HHH would definately put over Flair for a farewell title reign.

Not like any of this will happen anyway. It's just my spin on it.

weather vane

02-28-2006, 02:04 AM

I thought it was very interesting. It was a shocker to me. WWE is getting a hell of a lot better, besides that Kiss My Ass crap. They need to stop fucking shit up.

What Would Kevin Do?

02-28-2006, 02:09 AM

I thought it was very interesting. It was a shocker to me. WWE is getting a hell of a lot better, besides that Kiss My Ass crap. They need to stop fucking shit up.

Interesting/surprising isn't always a good thing though. I may have been surprised, but looking over the Mania card, I'll buy a ladder match w/ Carlito in it before I will one with Flair in it.

Mr. Nerfect

02-28-2006, 02:44 AM

What Would Kevin Do?

02-28-2006, 02:49 AM

I hope they scrap the plans for HBK vs. Vince, and have McMahon simply back Carlito in a match against Michaels. It would make Carlito look like a main eventer, and use Michaels to his full potential.

The other spots in the Money in the Bank Ladder Match could go to Charlie Haas, Kenny (Doane) & Rob Conway/Nick Dinsmore/Val Venis. The last choice is a bit random, but it could fit in.

It works for Carlito. As far as the other person in the ladder match, I can't see it ever being any of them. I think it has to be someone who, in theory, at least has a shot at being champion. Shelton,Carlito, RVD, Masters, far fetched, but possible. Conway, Dinsmore, Venis, I don't see ever being legit contenders, even w/ MITB.

Cuzziebro

02-28-2006, 05:33 AM

Yeah i dont know about the likes on Conway, Dinsmore, and Venis but you never know they could surprise us and turn out to be awesome main eventers.

Destor

02-28-2006, 05:36 AM

Look at it this way. In a ladder match anything goes. Nothing is stopping Carlito from coming out and grabbing the case for his own. Carlito will still be involved.

Mr. Nerfect

02-28-2006, 05:42 AM

Look at it this way. In a ladder match anything goes. Nothing is stopping Carlito from coming out and grabbing the case for his own. Carlito will still be involved.

You know, I've always considered something like this for a Ladder Match. Obviously when a title is on the line, a person just can't run down, take the belt and become Champion; but when a contract is hanging from the ring, a guy ran down, took the contract, signed it, I assume it would be all his.

They should do this with a random guy. I would mark out like a little bitch if Paul London ran down after a gruelling 20:00 Ladder Match, did a few flips to knock some guys down, then climbed the ladder, took the contract and while the match is declared a No Contest (so no one technically loses), Paul London gets the title shot whenever he wants.

They wouldn't ever do this with London, though.

What Would Kevin Do?

02-28-2006, 05:48 AM

You know, I've always considered something like this for a Ladder Match. Obviously when a title is on the line, a person just can't run down, take the belt and become Champion; but when a contract is hanging from the ring, a guy ran down, took the contract, signed it, I assume it would be all his.

They should do this with a random guy. I would mark out like a little bitch if Paul London ran down after a gruelling 20:00 Ladder Match, did a few flips to knock some guys down, then climbed the ladder, took the contract and while the match is declared a No Contest (so no one technically loses), Paul London gets the title shot whenever he wants.

They wouldn't ever do this with London, though.\

Heh, 24/7 Rule on the MITB contract.

Pinnacle Charisma

02-28-2006, 08:15 AM

Im I the only one angry that Shelton is in the MITB match meaning that for the third year in the row the IC title ( the third biggest title in the wwe) will not be defended at WM

Xero

02-28-2006, 08:32 AM

Im I the only one angry that Shelton is in the MITB match meaning that for the third year in the row the IC title ( the third biggest title in the wwe) will not be defended at WM
I was thinking that. My guess is that he'll probably lose the title before the match, OR, to make it very interesting, they could make the MITB match for both. The contract and the title. I know it won't happen, but it would fix the part about the IC title being on the line. Plus, it would give whoever has the contract the IC title to get pushed a bit further before their title match.

Destor

02-28-2006, 08:37 AM

So, I am the only one that could see Van Dam winning MItB and then challenging H for the title later that night? (Yes I know how asinine it is.)

Xero

02-28-2006, 08:59 AM

I see Flair winning it, what with his "one more run" promo last night. It's a scary thought, but it makes sense, especially because he's in the fucking match...

Xero

02-28-2006, 09:09 AM

Also, is this going to be inter-brand or is it only going to be a triple threat?

Londoner

02-28-2006, 10:05 AM

I reckon they're going to have Carlito/Masters take on Kane/Big Show for the tag titles.Only thing I can think of.

Just a few things though;

1) Shelton should be defending the IC title at WM, once again the writers ignore this title.

2)Flair should not be in this match he should go back to managing.He hardly ever defended the IC title.

3)Carlito should be in this match.

This could be one of the worst WM's i've ever seen, just because of the way its being set up.

Londoner

02-28-2006, 10:06 AM

Also, is this going to be inter-brand or is it only going to be a triple threat?

Inter-brand. Expect 3 qualifying matches on Smackdown this week.

Londoner

02-28-2006, 10:07 AM

I was thinking that. My guess is that he'll probably lose the title before the match, OR, to make it very interesting, they could make the MITB match for both. The contract and the title. I know it won't happen, but it would fix the part about the IC title being on the line. Plus, it would give whoever has the contract the IC title to get pushed a bit further before their title match.

That's a good idea, which means it wont happen.

Mr. JL

02-28-2006, 11:58 AM

Fuck! They threw RVD in a fucked up clusterfuck match. FUK!!!!!|
}{ | Fucking he deserves a fucking high profile main event calibur one on one match !!!!!

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Oh, and Ric Flair beats out Carlito for a spot in the MITB match? WTF

Pepsi Man

02-28-2006, 12:11 PM

The Icon of Elisim

02-28-2006, 02:41 PM

I'm betting on Carlito fighting Flair at SNME for his spot

Fryza

02-28-2006, 02:45 PM

Jesus Christ. It seems like you advocate the rookies always going over the veterans, just on account of "the veterans are already established". If it worked like that, beating these guys wouldn't be special; it'd be COMPLETELY expected.

In this case, it's smart. Since Flair is not going to be there much longer, whereas someone like Carlito WILL be a main eventer sometime. Instead of having him lose a spot in a LADDER match to a fifty-seven year-old man, they should have him win it. Carlito wins the match, gets the MitB contract.

Later down the road, he cashes it and wins. Holds it for a few months, then drops it to Flair in a feud ender. That, I wouldn't mind because you're establishing Carlito without killing his heat, and you're giving Flair his last world title run.

But, Flair in a ladder match, which is designed for younger guys who can still take some heavier spots- it's just out of place. Already we have RVD, Shelton, and Flair. That's just an odd list for a ladder match, considering the last three haven't been announced yet.

Pepsi Man

02-28-2006, 02:48 PM

In this case, it's smart. Since Flair is not going to be there much longer, whereas someone like Carlito WILL be a main eventer sometime. Instead of having him lose a spot in a LADDER match to a fifty-seven year-old man, they should have him win it. Carlito wins the match, gets the MitB contract.

Later down the road, he cashes it and wins. Holds it for a few months, then drops it to Flair in a feud ender. That, I wouldn't mind because you're establishing Carlito without killing his heat, and you're giving Flair his last world title run.

But, Flair in a ladder match, which is designed for younger guys who can still take some heavier spots- it's just out of place. Already we have RVD, Shelton, and Flair. That's just an odd list for a ladder match, considering the last three haven't been announced yet.
If Flair came out with the title in the end, it really WOULD be killing most of what they built up, if they gave Carlito the win here. Psychology is as much of the game as anything, and I don't know if I'm alone, but I don't think Flair did too horrible in TLC with Edge on Raw.

Fryza

02-28-2006, 02:53 PM

If Flair came out with the title in the end, it really WOULD be killing most of what they built up, if they gave Carlito the win here. Psychology is as much of the game as anything, and I don't know if I'm alone, but I don't think Flair did too horrible in TLC with Edge on Raw.

It's one on one though, so it makes it easier to get around. In a TLC match, you don't HAVE to use the ladders.

MitB is a ladder match, which means Flair will have to climb the ladder. We already know he can't land on his back well, so that leaves Shelton and RVD to have to be careful about what spots they do, and it slows down the pace of the match.

I love Flair, but I don't want Flair in a match that is designed as fast-paced action, especially if there will be five young guys who have to carry an older, slower wrestler around.

As for the Carlito/Flair killing off heat, it wouldn't really. We know that Flair CAN beat Carlito one on one. I believe both by pin and submission. And Flair is the "Dirty's Player in the Game", so the fans would expect both men to cheat.

Play up for a month and a half, Carlito getting the better of Flair through mind games, using youth to his advantage, etc. Then, at a PPV, the two go at it. Flair eventually plants in the figure four after twenty - thirty minutes, and Carlito loses the title. Flair holds it for a good amount of time, While Carlito can work more on his in-ring skills and mic skill, preparing him for a REAL run (so the WWE doesn't push him over-the-top too soon).

Pepsi Man

02-28-2006, 03:01 PM

It's one on one though, so it makes it easier to get around. In a TLC match, you don't HAVE to use the ladders.

MitB is a ladder match, which means Flair will have to climb the ladder. We already know he can't land on his back well, so that leaves Shelton and RVD to have to be careful about what spots they do, and it slows down the pace of the match.

I love Flair, but I don't want Flair in a match that is designed as fast-paced action, especially if there will be five young guys who have to carry an older, slower wrestler around.

As for the Carlito/Flair killing off heat, it wouldn't really. We know that Flair CAN beat Carlito one on one. I believe both by pin and submission. And Flair is the "Dirty's Player in the Game", so the fans would expect both men to cheat.

Play up for a month and a half, Carlito getting the better of Flair through mind games, using youth to his advantage, etc. Then, at a PPV, the two go at it. Flair eventually plants in the figure four after twenty - thirty minutes, and Carlito loses the title. Flair holds it for a good amount of time, While Carlito can work more on his in-ring skills and mic skill, preparing him for a REAL run (so the WWE doesn't push him over-the-top too soon).

Whoa, before I even read the rest of that, you do indeed have to climb the ladder in a TLC match. That or it was my imagination that the belt was suspended above the ring for that match.

And actually, I don't have too much else to say, so I guess that's it here.

Fryza

02-28-2006, 03:05 PM

Whoa, before I even read the rest of that, you do indeed have to climb the ladder in a TLC match. That or it was my imagination that the belt was suspended above the ring for that match.

And actually, I don't have too much else to say, so I guess that's it here.

The original TLC (for the tag belts) had the title, but lately I've noticed that it seems to me just to be a hardcore match (and the tables, ladders, and chairs being supplied).

In my defense, I did not see Flair/Edge TLC (believe that was a RAW), so if he DID climb a ladder, that's fine. How many spots were they he fell from the ladder? Sold a move from the top of the ladder? Did a move off the ladder?

I doubt many- if any at all. RVD will do them. Shelton will do them. Carlito can do them. Flair? Flair can climb the ladder and knock people off it, but he can't go off the ladder. Fans aren't expecting a wrestling match here, they're expecting a lot of fast moves, flashy moves, and high-flying moves. Flair can't deliver there, so it seems out of place from him to be there.

Pepsi Man

02-28-2006, 03:08 PM

The original TLC (for the tag belts) had the title, but lately I've noticed that it seems to me just to be a hardcore match (and the tables, ladders, and chairs being supplied).

In my defense, I did not see Flair/Edge TLC (believe that was a RAW), so if he DID climb a ladder, that's fine. How many spots were they he fell from the ladder? Sold a move from the top of the ladder? Did a move off the ladder?

I doubt many- if any at all. RVD will do them. Shelton will do them. Carlito can do them. Flair? Flair can climb the ladder and knock people off it, but he can't go off the ladder. Fans aren't expecting a wrestling match here, they're expecting a lot of fast moves, flashy moves, and high-flying moves. Flair can't deliver there, so it seems out of place from him to be there.
I dunno, that superplex from near the top seemed pretty good to me, although I can't seem to remember who superplexed who. I think Flair was the aggressor, but STILL.

Also, I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a TLC match in which the title wasn't suspended above the ring, apart from in video games.

Fryza

02-28-2006, 03:46 PM

I dunno, that superplex from near the top seemed pretty good to me, although I can't seem to remember who superplexed who. I think Flair was the aggressor, but STILL.

Also, I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a TLC match in which the title wasn't suspended above the ring, apart from in video games.

Then the TLC match on RAW was for Edge's world title. Okay, now I know where the pieces are fitting.

Nonetheless, this is not the kind of match Flair should be partaking in. A one-on-one ladder match is MUCH different than a six-man ladder match. Flair will have to take a LOT of bumps from the ladder, to the ladder, with the ladder, on the ladder... At his age, that's pretty damn fatal. Have you watched him the last few weeks? Flair is visibly getting older, and it'll be hard to sell for a lot these moves. No good. I'd like to see the timeline work as such:

-Next few RAWs leading up to SNME, Flair taunts Carlito, getting into his head, maybe costing him matches.
-At SNME, Carlito wins a match that puts him in the MitB match over Flair.
-Carlito wins the MitB, Hunter wins the title.
-Carlito taunts around the MitB win over RAW, gets in some scuffs with Hunter, but nothing big. Hunter/Cena program continues.
-Two months after WM, Cena gets his rematch against Hunter. Carlito comes to the ring and hits Hunter with the briefcase, giving Cena the win. After the match, he hits Cena with the case, cashing in the contract, wins the title.
-The next night, he defends against Cena, but Hunter costs the match. Hunter doesn't get a rematch though, since the title changed hands prior.
-Carlito begins getting cocky, eventually gets challenged to a match by Flair, Carlito cheats to win.
-Flair says he wants a shot against Carlito, but is stopped by Hunter. Hunter says he should get a shot first since he never g ot a rematch. A number one contendor's match is made, which Cena costs Hunter the match (returning the favor, still setting up the two to feud).
-Over the next few weeks, Carlito continually gets the better of Flair, using weapons or requesting help from Masters. Finally, at say SummerSlam (if my timeline would be right), we have Flair/Carlito for the title, which is a singles match that goes for about twenty minutes. Flair wins via Figure Four.

From there, Flair would hold the title for awhile (defeating Carlito in his rematch, Masters, etc etc) until he later drops it to Hunter, and they could work it from there.

That's just how I think it should be though. It doesn't take any real momentum from Carlito, but gives Flair is his last run.

CharismaInjection

02-28-2006, 04:05 PM

Uh, I was just wondering guys, are we sure this match is gonna have six people, as WWE.com said Flair won the FINAL qualifying match, and the match is down as final. I hope it's six, RVD and Benjamin would be great as a singles ladder match though.

Pepsi Man

02-28-2006, 04:10 PM

Then the TLC match on RAW was for Edge's world title. Okay, now I know where the pieces are fitting.

Nonetheless, this is not the kind of match Flair should be partaking in. A one-on-one ladder match is MUCH different than a six-man ladder match. Flair will have to take a LOT of bumps from the ladder, to the ladder, with the ladder, on the ladder... At his age, that's pretty damn fatal. Have you watched him the last few weeks? Flair is visibly getting older, and it'll be hard to sell for a lot these moves. No good. I'd like to see the timeline work as such:

-Next few RAWs leading up to SNME, Flair taunts Carlito, getting into his head, maybe costing him matches.
-At SNME, Carlito wins a match that puts him in the MitB match over Flair.
-Carlito wins the MitB, Hunter wins the title.
-Carlito taunts around the MitB win over RAW, gets in some scuffs with Hunter, but nothing big. Hunter/Cena program continues.
-Two months after WM, Cena gets his rematch against Hunter. Carlito comes to the ring and hits Hunter with the briefcase, giving Cena the win. After the match, he hits Cena with the case, cashing in the contract, wins the title.
-The next night, he defends against Cena, but Hunter costs the match. Hunter doesn't get a rematch though, since the title changed hands prior.
-Carlito begins getting cocky, eventually gets challenged to a match by Flair, Carlito cheats to win.
-Flair says he wants a shot against Carlito, but is stopped by Hunter. Hunter says he should get a shot first since he never g ot a rematch. A number one contendor's match is made, which Cena costs Hunter the match (returning the favor, still setting up the two to feud).
-Over the next few weeks, Carlito continually gets the better of Flair, using weapons or requesting help from Masters. Finally, at say SummerSlam (if my timeline would be right), we have Flair/Carlito for the title, which is a singles match that goes for about twenty minutes. Flair wins via Figure Four.

From there, Flair would hold the title for awhile (defeating Carlito in his rematch, Masters, etc etc) until he later drops it to Hunter, and they could work it from there.

That's just how I think it should be though. It doesn't take any real momentum from Carlito, but gives Flair is his last run.
If anything, it's easier to cover one guy in a six man ladder match. Flair would have to take LESS of a beating and all.

Fryza

02-28-2006, 04:13 PM

If anything, it's easier to cover one guy in a six man ladder match. Flair would have to take LESS of a beating and all.

Yes, in six-way, three group of two. However, that means there will always be at least one free man to get you off the ladder. Not many ways for Flair to continually come down.

And CI- if it's a three-way dance, I will officially mark out less for MitB. Two triple threats at WrestleManie? I dunno, sounds a little bland to me.

Pepsi Man

02-28-2006, 04:16 PM

Yes, in six-way, three group of two. However, that means there will always be at least one free man to get you off the ladder. Not many ways for Flair to continually come down.

And CI- if it's a three-way dance, I will officially mark out less for MitB. Two triple threats at WrestleManie? I dunno, sounds a little bland to me.
Flair doesn't have to continuously be the one climbing the ladder, though. He can work a few guys over more and maybe climb it a time or two, instead of getting thrown off of it every other second.

Fryza

02-28-2006, 04:20 PM

Flair doesn't have to continuously be the one climbing the ladder, though. He can work a few guys over more and maybe climb it a time or two, instead of getting thrown off of it every other second.

I'm not directly saying Flair COULDN'T work the match, but that fans are going to expect a lot of high spots that Flair can't deliver, which means that Van Dam and Shelton will have to slow down the pace of match to deal with Flair, which would be avoided switching Flair with Carlito.

Pepsi Man

02-28-2006, 04:23 PM

I'm not directly saying Flair COULDN'T work the match, but that fans are going to expect a lot of high spots that Flair can't deliver, which means that Van Dam and Shelton will have to slow down the pace of match to deal with Flair, which would be avoided switching Flair with Carlito.
Are you saying that unexpected automatically = bad?

Kane Knight

02-28-2006, 04:43 PM

Interesting/surprising isn't always a good thing though. I may have been surprised, but looking over the Mania card, I'll buy a ladder match w/ Carlito in it before I will one with Flair in it.

YEah, they coudl surprise us with one of the Dicks main eventing Mania...Doesn't mean it'd be smart. People aren't going to pay fifty bucks for a PPV based on "Wow, I never saw THAT coming!"

Kane Knight

02-28-2006, 04:51 PM

Are you saying that unexpected automatically = bad?

In wrestling, 85% of the time it is. Especially when people are expecting a certain type of match and get another one.

Fryza

02-28-2006, 04:57 PM

Are you saying that unexpected automatically = bad?

What is expected of a MitB match is a lot of ladders followed with a lot of high spots. One superplex is not a lot. Remember the first TLC? Tons of high spots, even with the Dudleys there. They had some youth to pull it off.

Flair would need to be on the ground more or less the entire match. Flair is not a high spot wrestler, he's a technical wrestler. Guys like Benoit and Shelton made it good with their talents to go up to the top as well as be on the ground.

I dunno, it's not the unexpected that makes me think this would be bad, but the expected. I don't EXPECT Flair to put out that great of a preformance, I don't expect the high-spots to be done as much, but I do expect it to be a slower paced match (which the majority of the fans will be against as the much progresses).

Londoner

02-28-2006, 06:48 PM

There really is no logic in putting a 57 yera old man a high flying ladder match.Lets put it that way.I wouldn't put Carlito in that kind of match either personally, but atleast he's not past his best.I really fucking hate Flair, he's ruining Carlitos career imo, first the IC title, and now this.

Pepsi Man

02-28-2006, 07:06 PM

It's WrestleMania. If Flair's in that match, he'll shock you all.

Fryza

02-28-2006, 07:14 PM

Or die trying. :mad:

Pepsi Man

02-28-2006, 07:16 PM

Nah, I doubt it.

What Would Kevin Do?

03-01-2006, 12:39 AM

Or die trying. :mad:

Honestly, I don't even WANT to see Flair try to take a bump from the top of a ladder. He shouldn't even be in a posistion where he should.

I do however want to see a frogsplash off the ladder, a t-bone off the ladder, and maybe Carlito's back cracker off the ladder ;)

Kane Knight

03-01-2006, 09:47 AM

It's WrestleMania. If Flair's in that match, he'll shock you all.

Flair shocks me every time he lives through a match. Again, not every shock is a good one.

Pepsi Man

03-01-2006, 09:49 AM

Flair shocks me every time he lives through a match. Again, not every shock is a good one.
Well then let me specify. This will be a good one.:eek: Is it really THAT hard to decipher the meaning of that post, or are you running out of tactics you haven't exploited to death yet?

Londoner

03-01-2006, 09:52 AM

Or die trying. :mad:

I can only hope...

Kane Knight

03-01-2006, 12:28 PM

Well then let me specify. This will be a good one.:eek: Is it really THAT hard to decipher the meaning of that post, or are you running out of tactics you haven't exploited to death yet?

Is it that hard to decipher the meaning of my post, or are you running out of ways to ignore the fact that I don't buy into empty promises?

Pepsi Man

03-01-2006, 12:30 PM

Is it that hard to decipher the meaning of my post,
I don't think I'm alone in saying it often is.

PureHatred

03-01-2006, 12:37 PM

Pepsi Man

03-01-2006, 12:41 PM

To me, the MITB seems like a great way to get a midcarder over and turn them into a main event option. Something that the WWE has a hard time doing.

Therefore, putting Flair in instead of Carlito seems like a huge waste of time.
But for a midcarder to get to that "next level" and become a main eventer, wouldn't it be a little more beneficial to go over an already established main eventer or two, rather than just being the "best of the midcarders"?

I mean, nothing against Rob Van Dam or even Shelton Benjamin in this case, but a win over either of them isn't exactly huge.

PureHatred

03-01-2006, 12:57 PM

But for a midcarder to get to that "next level" and become a main eventer, wouldn't it be a little more beneficial to go over an already established main eventer or two, rather than just being the "best of the midcarders"?

I mean, nothing against Rob Van Dam or even Shelton Benjamin in this case, but a win over either of them isn't exactly huge.

Well, my point was acually more towards the fact that if you're sticking Flair in the match, there's the possibility of him winning, which would be a huge waste of time.

But as to what you were saying ...

These days, a win over Flair is no big deal either. And last year Edge beat a set of opponents of similar caliber and because of the nature of the match and the fact that you're basically beating five other opponents, winning that suitcase gave him instant credibility.

Pepsi Man

03-01-2006, 01:09 PM

Well, my point was acually more towards the fact that if you're sticking Flair in the match, there's the possibility of him winning, which would be a huge waste of time.

But as to what you were saying ...

These days, a win over Flair is no big deal either. And last year Edge beat a set of opponents of similar caliber and because of the nature of the match and the fact that you're basically beating five other opponents, winning that suitcase gave him instant credibility.
I would say that Kane and Benoit (especially at the time) were both more built up than Shelton Benjamin and Rob Van Dam, but that's just my opinion.

Kane Knight

03-01-2006, 02:33 PM

I don't think I'm alone in saying it often is.

Are you answering this one specifically, or just dodging again?

Pepsi Man

03-01-2006, 02:38 PM

Are you answering this one specifically, or just dodging again?
Actually (and no offense meant) I honestly wasn't all that clear on your point until you spelled it out.

Destor

03-01-2006, 05:06 PM

To me, the MITB seems like a great way to get a midcarder over and turn them into a main event option. Something that the WWE has a hard time doing.(Not that I think Flair will win,) but it's not like they have an easy time getting Flair in a main event with the credibility he needs to make people think he could go over either. Flair may be a legend, THE legend, but he's nothing more than a glorified mid-carder. Your argument could be used to defend Flair as well. And if your like most people on the Internet look at it this way, if he wins his world title again he can go out on top and retire. It's a win win situation. Flair gets to go out like the champion he is, and you don't have to see him again. Now that's not so bad, is it?

PureHatred

03-01-2006, 05:52 PM

(Not that I think Flair will win,) but it's not like they have an easy time getting Flair in a main event with the credibility he needs to make people think he could go over either. Flair may be a legend, THE legend, but he's nothing more than a glorified mid-carder. Your argument could be used to defend Flair as well. And if your like most people on the Internet look at it this way, if he wins his world title again he can go out on top and retire. It's a win win situation. Flair gets to go out like the champion he is, and you don't have to see him again. Now that's not so bad, is it?

Flair is not a glorified mid-carder. That's ridiculous. His name value alone gives him credibility. The same way that Hulk Hogan can walk in to the WWE tomorrow, be given a title match, and it would be a main event caliber match on any PPV on the calendar.

If they built up Flair v Cena or Trips as "Ric Flair's last chance at gold" then you could sell that as your main event without problem.

Or put it this way: Ric Flair does not need to win th MITB in order to justify giving him a world title shot, whereas the rest of the other guys do. Why? Because he's Ric Flair.

I'm disappointed you even posted that, to be honest. Do you really need someone to tell you Ric Flair is a big enough name in the business that he doesn't need a win in some gimmick match to have his name at the top of a PPV? He's Ric goddamned Flair, for Jesus' sake. :nono:

Destor

03-01-2006, 05:58 PM

Flair is not a glorified mid-carder. That's ridiculous. His name value alone gives him credibility. The same way that Hulk Hogan can walk in to the WWE tomorrow, be given a title match, and it would be a main event caliber match on any PPV on the calendar.

If they built up Flair v Cena or Trips as "Ric Flair's last chance at gold" then you could sell that as your main event without problem.

Or put it this way: Ric Flair does not need to win th MITB in order to justify giving him a world title shot, whereas the rest of the other guys do. Why? Because he's Ric Flair.

I'm disappointed you even posted that, to be honest. Do you really need someone to tell you Ric Flair is a big enough name in the business that he doesn't need a win in some gimmick match to have his name at the top of a PPV? He's Ric goddamned Flair, for Jesus' sake. :nono:As much as I am a Flair mark I wish what you just typed was even close to being true. Saddly, no, you are wrong.

Londoner

03-01-2006, 06:00 PM

Flair is not a glorified mid-carder. That's ridiculous. His name value alone gives him credibility. The same way that Hulk Hogan can walk in to the WWE tomorrow, be given a title match, and it would be a main event caliber match on any PPV on the calendar.

If they built up Flair v Cena or Trips as "Ric Flair's last chance at gold" then you could sell that as your main event without problem.

Or put it this way: Ric Flair does not need to win th MITB in order to justify giving him a world title shot, whereas the rest of the other guys do. Why? Because he's Ric Flair.

I'm disappointed you even posted that, to be honest. Do you really need someone to tell you Ric Flair is a big enough name in the business that he doesn't need a win in some gimmick match to have his name at the top of a PPV? He's Ric goddamned Flair, for Jesus' sake. :nono:

This post brings up another good point, Flair doesn't even need to be in this match.I think he's just using backstage politics to get his way, and in doing so he's holding back the company from giving the younger guys a chance.