this years wrestlemania is MAKE IT OR BREAK IT for the WWE

[Kane Knight]

If they really wanted him to be 'street' he wouldn't wear those busted ass Reebok pumps. There's a difference between old school and corny.

As for the heel thing, I always wanted a heel Cena to turn into one of those arrogant, dickhead type rapper/NBA athlets with a 14 person entourage. Start acting like Stephon Marbury, etc. Maybe get Orlando Jordan to come over to Raw as Cena's lackey and have OJ dress up like Lil John and carry a pimp cup.

That right there would be truly despicable and thouroughly entertaining.

That'd be awesome, actually. Get a bunch of promotional talent to play his entourage too. I mean, it's not a wrestling gig, but neither's "security" (When not played by the cops, most tend to be local wrestlers). Make him a sell-out, and one who reminds everyone of it. I'd love it.

[PureHatred]

Cena is God?

God will never be a jobber.
Cena will never be a jobber.
Cena = God.

Also, if he's so authentically hip-hop, why is he doing that Country show on USA?

[Schoenauer]

Wouldn't that technically be breaking Kayfabe PureHatred?

[Xero]

God will never be a jobber.
Cena will never be a jobber.
Cena = God.

Also, if he's so authentically hip-hop, why is he doing that Country show on USA?
He's such a badass rapper that he could be on Barney singing about brushing your teeth and slanting your and still would be over like a badass mother fucker.

[Volare]

i can see him right now playing hide and seek with kids yelling "you can't see me"

and by the way...


I'm a Official Mark for KK Promo's and WE WANT MORE

[Kane Knight]

God will never be a jobber.
Cena will never be a jobber.
Cena = God.

Also, if he's so authentically hip-hop, why is he doing that Country show on USA?

HE's doing a country show?

[Volare]

hell KK, cena is basically putting a knife through hip-hop so i would too

[Kane Knight]

He's such a badass rapper that he could be on Barney singing about brushing your teeth and slanting your and still would be over like a badass mother fucker.

HARDCORE...NIGGA!

[Kane Knight]

hell KK, cena is basically putting a knife through hip-hop so i would too

To be fair, that's what people think hip-hop is these days. People with minimal talent who get other people to carry them through songs, talk a lot of shit, kiss ass, and are all about show over substance.

[Volare]

hell...you see the concerts they do?

it's the main rapper...and like 15 other random people behind him with a fuckin mic

[Kane Knight]

hell...you see the concerts they do?

it's the main rapper...and like 15 other random people behind him with a fuckin mic

Yeah, and 90% of the rappers out there, on top of nicking their material, are doing like one verse, and letting everyone else do their shit. OR they do like the chorus.

Hell, a ton of them don't even like move onstage. They rely on sexy chicks to make them look like they're not doing a Steven Hawkings impression.

[Vermaat]

Right. Wigger culture.

No. MODERN Culture. Rap and Hip Hop is today's culture, it is what young people like, face it. Cens is that culture.

You said the WWE would have given Akio a chance to talk if he could. By this logic, John Cena can't talk. When he first debuted on SmackDown!, Cena lost to Angle, and while it was a good match, Cena was bland for months. By your logic, this is John Cena's fault and not the WWE's.


WWE did not know of his abilities because maybe, just maybe he didn't show it. Once he started rapping...

You said my relatives stopped watching because of reasons not relating to the product.

Reasons not relating to WRESTLING. Of course, any reason is related to the product (almost) but not all of them are related to WRESTLING.

You claim that the superstars get lazy. This is a really illogical statement to make. Why would guys like Frankie Kazarian & Brian Kendrick leave

Kendrick wanted to improve himself and get more practice because he was not up to stuff. Kazarian left because he didn't want to get a haircut, lol.

would Jamie Noble leave the WWE, have fantastic matches, come back, and then have "lazy" matches?

He was fired. So he said to himself, I need to improve and he did. Now back in, he said, well, time to go back to taking it EZ!

Mysterio is SLOWER in the ring than he was.

Slower but he is still faster then most of the other superstars on the roster.

You said that Sliced Bread #2 isn't innovative, because it starts off the same way as a Dudley Dog

NoT only does it start the same way, almost the entire move is the same except one little part. It is TRIVIAL.

you are a sheep to the WWE. You act as if they are the most caring company in the world


No way, when the WWE makes a mistake or is close to one, I criticize them.

You said John Cena should have gone on a Goldberg streak. Why? Why would it work for Cena, but it not work for so many other talent?

Cena has the charisma and the natural desire to make it work.

Cena dominated their match at Armageddon 2004, which is why it sucked so much.

I disagree, I think it sucked because Aguilera just wasn't cutting it

John Cena does look like a six-year old. His feet annoy me, because he has shoes which make him look like those try-hard kids you see in the

You dislike John Cena because of his shoes? lol. His shoes look normal, it is today's fashion. He does not look like a kid. If he wore spongebob he would.

Sorry, but Cena is only playing the character. He's not real.
That's why he can rap with the best of them. This is him, he is real and it is why he is so good because it is him and he is NOT playing a character.

You see John Cena as some kind of God, and the WWE as some kind of Heaven.

No I'm not, I see many faults with the WWE.

People just don't like the character he plays.

No, people liked him all the time and no suddenly they stopped when he didn't change? They liked him on smackdown. It is just a trend.

And by the way, you missed the whole point when I said Paul London does a standing shooting star press.

Because he wants to look more impressive when he gets on T.V so that he can get more money. I think WWE will reward him with tag team titles soon.

No no you dumbass. His culture is Wine and Cheese. Is that bad? No. My culture is Wine and Cheese.

Where you grew up doesn't mean you can't take another culture. Cena did it is his he can rap.

Hey, you've said that you won't believe ANYTHING unless it's on WWE.com. Well buddy, I'd like you to reference EVERYTHING you stated as "fact" in this thread to something on WWE.com. If you can't do that, your logic that anything not on WWE.com is obviously destroyed.


I only said I don't believe news that aren't on WWE.com. Not everything.

So now the best heel in recent memory, HHH....the darling of WWE management is suddenly playing a bad heel. You're too much, really.


He is. He made stupid jokes about reeboks instead of being a heel like he usually is.

AGAIN YOU DISCOUNT WORDS COMING OUT OF ACTUAL WRESTLERS MOUTHS BECAUSE IT PROVES YOU WRONG! You have issues, seek professional help.


THEY ARE BIASED. No one is gonna admit to what they did, to being lazy and such. The only one that needs professional help is you.

don't need logic you ignorant fucking asshole! The facts are on the DVD, there's no logic to be used!! You keep repeating your same bullshit "logic" over and over again..EVEN THOUGH IT IS 100% WRONG!

If there were no WWE, WCW would still be in business. Thus, my point is correct. They played a role too, sure, but were not the only reason. Also, if no one cared for the nWo the first time around, wCw would have pushed them a second time around thus they listened to the fans.

There weren't that many matches at the end of WCW and they were never used as anything more than filler. They took a backseat to the older, big name wrestlers....BUT OH, you wouldn't know that because YOU DIDN"T WATCH IT!


I caught a Nitro or two, but mostly watched WWE so I know what I saw and that was a lot of cruiserweights.

Is that so hard? I really try not to resort to name-calling, but it's this attitude of yours that makes it impossible not to get upset and call you a fucking idiot...because there's no other explanation.

Sorry that you're getting upset when my argument is correct.

Cena is a wigger. Wiggers piss off a lot of people because they are fucking pathetic. Theres a word for what a wigger really is: POSER.


Cena is REAL.

There is a way to redeem Cena: Fans boo him, so he says (I'm not going to use wigger-speak for this): "You wanna boo me? Fine. Fuck you. I'm still the champ and theres not a damn thing you can do about it but sit on your fat ass and watch me take all challengers." Then he goes back to the way he was during his US title buildup.


He can play a good heel, no one is saying he can't. But he is still a great face.

AND THAT FUCKING SPINNER BELT PISSES ME OFF! Sure, go ahead Cena, shit on the reputation of the belt. Your fanbois and fangirls will love you for it. Wrestling fans will say fuck you and you'll quickly find yourself completely unrespectable.


Cena customized the belt with his own style. Austin did it and now Cena did it. I think it is a great idea to put your own touch to the belt you carried

I love the fact that "I don't remember other cruisers doing it" = innovative. How retarded is that!


I don't remember because it DID NOT HAPPEN.

Yeah, another concept that Vermaat is in denial of. It's a simple formula really: "If you are white + acting black = wigger"


He is not acting black, he is simple acting the way he is. He is a fan of Hip Hop and part of that culture, you don't have to be black to be part.

So, fans are booing Cena....Cena admits that people out there don't like him...

I'm not denying that fans boo him, but I am explaining that it's not out of dislike for a part of them, but just a fad.

Literally? Then I guess that mean's they're interchangable...


Ha Ha Ha cute. You know what I meant, I meant that John Cena's culture and today's culture is the same.

Yeah, you're exactly right. The pathetic thing is that Vermaat keeps blaming the heels for Cena's lack of support. Let's analyze Cena's last 4 opponents:

Jericho- "Future Hall of Famer."

Angle- "Future Hall of Famer."

Edge- "Not quite Hall of Fame status, but was arguably getting the most heel heat in the WWE until he feuded with Cena."

HHH- "Future Hall of Famer & probably the heir apparent to Vince McMahon and the WWE."


They weren't playing their roles right. HHH is too much comedy with the reebok. Edge was too busy talking about sex. Angle was doing too much comedy as well. JEricho was not build right by having Bischoff help him all the time.

I would like to say that my use of "bad" words shows you nothing of my mental age or IQ. The word I called you is a word that I do not like. I only use the 'C' word in very extreme cases when my opinion of someone is that low that the use of the word is warranted.


Of course it does. No mature person is going to talk like that.

otherwise there'd be no BA at the end of my name

There's a difference between academic performance and general iq. Face it, you are acting like an immature kid with all your cursing.

So, why do you come here?

I come here to have a good discussion about the WWE.

Anyway, the funny thing is, rap is YESTERDAY.

That's why all the youth is listening to Rap and they are making a lot of money.

It's funny, I saw Rey Rey's split legged moonsault tonight.


He did it perfectly.

Or he's a REALLY good troll. Or a REALLY big retard. Either way, he's good at what he does. Or bad. Or whatever.

The only troll here is you because in your shock that someone actually breaks out of the clique pressure, you need to make excuses as to how that can actually happen and need to resort to name calling to make yourself feel better.

Also, if he's so authentically hip-hop, why is he doing that Country show on USA?

Just because you're hip hop doesn't mean you can't like country. You guys need to learn to BREAK OUTTA THE BOX.

[Xero]

If Cena isn't a wigger, please tell me who and what a wigger is. Is it a white person who pretends to like the black/hip hop community? Is it a white person who acts black? Is it a white person from the ghetto? What, by your definition, is a "wigger", because they do exist, and Cena, unless you can give me a 100% clear answer, is a wigger.

[Xero]

Wigger is a derogatory slang term used to describe a person, usually of European descent and with pale skin (often described as a "Caucasian" person), who dresses, speaks, or otherwise behaves in a manner that is stereotypically associated with African culture — for example, speaking in Ebonics. The term is a portmanteau word combining the words 'white' and 'nigger', or 'wannabe' and 'nigger', and is associated with cultural appropriation.
http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Awigger

Sounds like Cena to me.

[Vermaat]

If Cena isn't a wigger, please tell me who and what a wigger is. Is it a white person who pretends to like the black/hip hop community? Is it a white person who acts black? Is it a white person from the ghetto? What, by your definition, is a "wigger", because they do exist, and Cena, unless you can give me a 100% clear answer, is a wigger.

A wigger is a white person that PRETENDS to like Rap or Hip Hop to fit in. The only reason that person say they like it is to fit in, not because they actually like it or understand it. The only reason they PRETEND to like it and try to fit in is because they want to look cool.

Cena is white, but that doesn't make him a wigger. He legitimately likes Rap and Hip Hop. It is his passion. You can see that it is his passion because he can rap himself. He really loves the culture and has taken it on. He doesn't pretend, he IS.

[Shadow]

A wigger is a white person that PRETENDS to like Rap or Hip Hop to fit in. The only reason that person say they like it is to fit in, not because they actually like it or understand it. The only reason they PRETEND to like it and try to fit in is because they want to look cool.

Cena is white, but that doesn't make him a wigger. He legitimately likes Rap and Hip Hop. It is his passion. You can see that it is his passion because he can rap himself. He really loves the culture and has taken it on. He doesn't pretend, he IS.

I'm sorry Vermaat but I think the last post I gave in this stupid peice of crap thread still holds true.

Cena...IS...A...WIGGER! Just like Slim Shady is also a wigger. The difference...Slim Shady can actually rap. Cena...not so much. I've listened to Cena's album many a time and, while it is sorta good, it's not the be all, end all of rap. Stop with the delusions man. You're only digging yourself deeper into the grave.

[Shadow]

No way, when the WWE makes a mistake or is close to one, I criticize them.

Let me ask you something playa. WWE and it's mistakes...what are they? I'm pretty sure you and I have a quite different perspective on what mistakes the WWE has made. I really truely want to know what you think the WWE has done wrong. Go with Cena, HHH hell, anyone. Just give me some examples.

[Schoenauer]

Oh, too long Vernaculis, TOO LONG. But let me have a shot here.
No. MODERN Culture. Rap and Hip Hop is today's culture, it is what young people like, face it. Cens is that culture.
You may not know it, but the 90's are over, today's culture is emo.

WWE did not know of his abilities because maybe, just maybe he didn't show it. Once he started rapping...
Of course not, this is the WWE we're talking about!

Cena has the charisma and the natural desire to make it work.
Sadly, he broke it.

I disagree, I think it sucked because Aguilera just wasn't cutting it
I have no idea what you were talking about here, but most pop stars peak at one point, and go nowhere but down.

You dislike John Cena because of his shoes? lol. His shoes look normal, it is today's fashion. He does not look like a kid. If he wore spongebob he would.
Flashback to the 90's, I remember in elementary school I saw kids with shoes that you had to "pump".

That's why he can rap with the best of them. This is him, he is real and it is why he is so good because it is him and he is NOT playing a character.
It's still real to me dammit!

No I'm not, I see many faults with the WWE.
So you see problems with the product? You are not a true fan! :foc:

No, people liked him all the time and no suddenly they stopped when he didn't change? They liked him on smackdown. It is just a trend.
Maybe the reason they liked him was because he was a kickass heel?

Because he wants to look more impressive when he gets on T.V so that he can get more money. I think WWE will reward him with tag team titles soon.
Don't count on it. Once you face The Game-uh, you've got nothing to do but hope you can top your matches with him.

Where you grew up doesn't mean you can't take another culture. Cena did it is his he can rap.
No, he can't.

I only said I don't believe news that aren't on WWE.com. Not everything.
I'm not going to touch this one with all the double negatives.

He is. He made stupid jokes about reeboks instead of being a heel like he usually is.
He was making fun of Cena, the face in this feud. I'd say he was being a tiny bit heel-ish.

THEY ARE BIASED. No one is gonna admit to what they did, to being lazy and such. The only one that needs professional help is you.
Stop shouting, I'm not deaf! An honest person would be willing to admit to their faults.

If there were no WWE, WCW would still be in business. Thus, my point is correct. They played a role too, sure, but were not the only reason. Also, if no one cared for the nWo the first time around, wCw would have pushed them a second time around thus they listened to the fans.
WCW's folding was inevitable, it was bound to happen.

Sorry that you're getting upset when my argument is correct.
I'm upset because your brain refuses to accept the truth.

Cena is REAL.
Yes, Cena is real, but the character is not real.

He can play a good heel, no one is saying he can't. But he is still a great face.
Are you kidding? Ever since the face turn, he's been watered down. He's a mere shadow of his former self.

Cena customized the belt with his own style. Austin did it and now Cena did it. I think it is a great idea to put your own touch to the belt you carried
Uh... nevermind.

He is not acting black, he is simple acting the way he is. He is a fan of Hip Hop and part of that culture, you don't have to be black to be part.
If you're white and try your damn hardest to associate yourself with the culture... expect to be capped.

I'm not denying that fans boo him, but I am explaining that it's not out of dislike for a part of them, but just a fad.
"OMG! They're booing Cena, it's so mainstream!"

Ha Ha Ha cute. You know what I meant, I meant that John Cena's culture and today's culture is the same.
A bunch of wiggers?

They weren't playing their roles right. HHH is too much comedy with the reebok. Edge was too busy talking about sex. Angle was doing too much comedy as well. JEricho was not build right by having Bischoff help him all the time.
Once again, that's not any wrestler's fault, it's the creative team's fault for trying to Nickelodeon up feuds... no wonder Cena sucks.

There's a difference between academic performance and general iq. Face it, you are acting like an immature kid with all your cursing.
Shit, I know a bunch of fuckin' mature people who swear their asses off bitch!

I come here to have a good discussion about the WWE.
Then stop treating Cena like god.

That's why all the youth is listening to Rap and they are making a lot of money.
It's all the same thing to me. Same beat, same crap they're "talking" about.

The only troll here is you because in your shock that someone actually breaks out of the clique pressure, you need to make excuses as to how that can actually happen and need to resort to name calling to make yourself feel better.
Blabbity-bla, bla-blibbity-bloo, make yourself feel better.

Just because you're hip hop doesn't mean you can't like country. You guys need to learn to BREAK OUTTA THE BOX.
I'm a fan of neither genre.

[Kane Knight]

No. MODERN Culture. Rap and Hip Hop is today's culture, it is what young people like, face it. Cens is that culture.

Funny, sale figures would beg to differ, but whatever. I'm sure the music industry are jsut run by a minority of bad apples who want to ruin it for the rest of us. :lol:

WWE did not know of his abilities because maybe, just maybe he didn't show it. Once he started rapping...

So the WWE is not all knowing? OMG! YOU JUST PWND URSELF!

Slower but he is still faster then most of the other superstars on the roster.

Not faster than the rest of the Cruisers...

That's why he can rap with the best of them. This is him, he is real and it is why he is so good because it is him and he is NOT playing a character.

Dude, he's not a good rapper. Besides worshipping a TV wigger, and knowing who Eminem is, do you like listen to ANY rap? We've even got other WIGGERS on this board who trash him.

No I'm not, I see many faults with the WWE.

Unfortunately, they're all about not enough Cena. :roll:

No, people liked him all the time and no suddenly they stopped when he didn't change? They liked him on smackdown. It is just a trend.

They liked him on Smackdown because his heel character was good.

Also, yes. IT's just a trend. Like rap itself. Like pop culture en generale. Why promote ignoring one trend in favor of a yesteryear trend?

If there were no WWE, WCW would still be in business. Thus, my point is correct. They played a role too, sure, but were not the only reason. Also, if no one cared for the nWo the first time around, wCw would have pushed them a second time around thus they listened to the fans.

Again, you directly contradict WWE, the only source you "trust."

Cena is REAL.

Cena is a character. Something you've already said.

I don't remember because it DID NOT HAPPEN.

LOL BULLSHIT.

He is not acting black, he is simple acting the way he is. He is a fan of Hip Hop and part of that culture, you don't have to be black to be part.

Which is why he doesn't even act like that fulltime. He's acting the way he is...He's a part time rapper. :lol:

Seriously, Cena falls into everyone else's definition of "acting black." Please explain your definition of it, because it should be good for a laugh.

I'm not denying that fans boo him, but I am explaining that it's not out of dislike for a part of them, but just a fad.

LOL. You don't quit with these moronic lines. If only it really worked that way. If only a few "bad apples" had that power...Yeah, but it only happens to Cena because ZOMFG TINFOIL HAT!

Of course it does. No mature person is going to talk like that.

Bullshit.

There's a difference between academic performance and general iq. Face it, you are acting like an immature kid with all your cursing.

Sadly, you just tried to own him by equating emotional/mental maturity with IQ. IQ is intelligence, which can be high regardless of maturity level. Sorry kid, you lose again.

That's why all the youth is listening to Rap and they are making a lot of money.

It's why Rap charts are in a decline. They're still making money? Yes. But they're making less than before. Significantly so.

He did it perfectly.

No, it was slow, looked sloppy, and Zach "Token Freak" Gowen could do it better.

The only troll here is you because in your shock that someone actually breaks out of the clique pressure, you need to make excuses as to how that can actually happen and need to resort to name calling to make yourself feel better.

Nice comeback. "No, YOU'RE the troll!"

Trust me, someone as dumb as you makes everyone feel better. Except knowing you're part of the gene pool.

You seriously need to check the hypocrisy though. You're making excuses as to how Cena can get booed. Hypocrite.

Just because you're hip hop doesn't mean you can't like country. You guys need to learn to BREAK OUTTA THE BOX.

Actually, that's exactly what they want Cena to do. Break out of the box.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jamie Noble wasn't fired, he left on his own free will. And I told you not to use the improvement excuse for those guys, because it's bullshit. You used it for Spanky. You were wrong. They left because they weren't getting enough time for freedom to work their own matches. And if you want to say Brian Kendrick left to improve, I can prove otherwise. The guy went to TNA for a night. He wanted to strengthen his relationship with the WWE by going to the rival company? LOL.

As has already been stated, rap is not the music in everyone's ears these days. Kids are into emo stuff.

You keep dancing around my Paul London point. If doing the London Calling is harder than doing the standing variant, why doesn't he do the top rope version if he is lazy? Why does he hit senton bombs? Wouldn't it make more sense to do the SSP? I don't understand why he would do a rare standing move, but then do some commonplace stuff off the top rope if there wasn't some kind of regulating power over him.

So to make sure you don't evade it again:

1) If standing is harder to do than top rope, why doesn't he do the top rope if he's lazy?

2) If he isn't lazy and wants to make money, why does he hit senton bombs off the top rope when he can do the SSP and make people "Holy shit!"?

You can't win. Sorry, but you're wrong.

[Arnold HamNegger]

THEY ARE BIASED. No one is gonna admit to what they did, to being lazy and such. The only one that needs professional help is you.
Yes, you are right. I need professional help because in an argument, I am using actual facts and documented statements from people in the wrestling industry. CLEARLY I need to have my head examined. :roll:

If there were no WWE, WCW would still be in business. Thus, my point is correct.
Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? This is like the 3rd time I'm going to tell you that I'm not arguing that WWE didn't have a hand in WCW going out of business. That isn't the discussion, so why do you keep mentioning this? This has nothing to do with the argument, yet you are repeating it again as supposed proof that you are right? This shows that you are even confusing yourself with your bullshit. You don't even know what you are arguing anymore.

They played a role too, sure, but were not the only reason. Also, if no one cared for the nWo the first time around, wCw would have pushed them a second time around thus they listened to the fans.
Sorry that you're getting upset when my argument is correct.

You keep ignoring the fact that I've told you this subject is covered in detail on a documentary DVD. The facts are on the DVD and are discussed by most all of the professionals involved, yet you continue to argue that your delusion is the truth. The fact that you keep insisting you are right when your "theory" contradicts everything discussed in a documentary made by WWE and information that is known in the wrestling industry as common knowledge is pathetic. Seriously, when you insist you are right in cases like this when you are blatently wrong, this only discredits you in any other argument on this thread. You are arguing that you are correct and WWE and WCW are incorrect with their own personal accounts as to what happened. Why can't you see that this is fucked up? And you can't just keep arguing against documented facts with ".....because my argument is correct." That seriously just proves you to be a gigantic jackass.

I caught a Nitro or two, but mostly watched WWE so I know what I saw and that was a lot of cruiserweights.

Here again with an example of you not being able to read. I said at the end there wasn't a whole lot of matches and the cruiserweights never got serious pushes throughout their entire time in WCW. Just because they have matches doesn't mean that they are being pushed. Once again, on the DVD "The Monday Night War", your own beloved Rey Rey talks in length about "WCW not wanting to make new stars and the fact that THEY NEVER GOT PUSHED." Dude, Rey Rey proves you to be wrong. Buy the DVD, watch it and shut the fuck up. Wait, what am I saying...you watched Nitro once or twice, that automatically makes you the expert. Rey is obviously biased in the interview then. :roll:


So Vermaat, I'm going to dumb myself down to your level now and use your own logic against you. Vermaat logic states, "If you don't like the biggest and best wrestling company, then you aren't a real wrestling fan."

So, by your own logic, when WCW lead the ratings against WWE for 83 consecutive weeks..nearly 2 years...you weren't a REAL wrestling fan because you didn't watch the "biggest" and "best" company. The fact that you were totally willing to watch wrestling's "2nd best company" during that time automatically discredits your opinion on the quality of wrestling today. Why should anyone take your opinion seriously? Clearly you were willing to sit through WWE "shit" back then and not even realize it. You are obviously not a good gauge for wrestling "quality", sorry. It's not my opinion, your own "logic" proves this to be correct. :yes:

[Kane Knight]

I think that's the first time a post has ever given me an erection without nudity...

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can't nearly follow up effectively to Arnold's post, but I will say this:

You said the Sliced Bread #2 is not innovative because it starts off the same way as the Dudley Dog? What the fuck? The 619 starts off like every single "running the ropes" move in WWE history. Stone Cold Steve Austin did a boot scrape type thingy on the ropes, as did Jericho. The Big Boss Man also used to start off liek that when he did a baseball slide and hit the opponent. Mark Henry does a move that starts off in the same way as the 619.

You're speaking bullshit if you claim the Shiranui is the same as a tornado ace crusher because it starts off in the same way, then call the 619 is different and "innovative".

[Xero]

Next he'll say the FU is innovative...

[Kane Knight]

It is. Just because it starts as a fireman's carry...

[Mr. Nerfect]

It is. Just because it starts as a fireman's carry...

It's a fireman's carry takeover, but he stands up when he does it, no one does it like that, thus it is INNOVATIVE.

Triple H doesn't do it because he is lazy. John Cena's moves are new, and the future of wrestling, and old wrestlers like Shawn Michaels who can't do them should retire.

[Xero]

You know, the STFU is REALLY innovative. If I haven't seen it, it's new to me!

[Blitz]

Wow.

[Xero]

IT'S STILL NEW TO ME DAMMIT!

[Kane Knight]

You know, the STFU is REALLY innovative. If I haven't seen it, it's new to me!

I HAVEN'T SEEN IT BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE.

[AJHayes]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Arnold HamNegger again.

[Kane Knight]

Indcedentally, I think WCW would have died sooner without WWE around, so I dispute the notion that the WWF killed WCW. Their biggest boosts fed off one another. WWE wouldn't even make a "Monday Night Wars" DVD if they didn't end up on top in the end. ignore the obvious reason, the end result is the same. If they hadn't STOPPED dominating Raw after 83 weeks, it never would be brought up. WWE likes to write themselves as the strongman.

As such, they will make claims of doing more than they do, but never less. If WWE felt they had some more instrumental role in the death of WCW or ECW, they would have bragged that all over the MNW and RAFoECW discs. Why?

Because not even Vince Fucking McMahon is going to say that shit. And he takes credit for a lot.

Regardless, even WWE contradicts Vermaat, so whether you agree with me that without the WWF, WCW would have tanked sooner (Without that competition, the markets would have dried up fast), the one thing we can all agree on is that Vermaat IS wrong, because this may be speculation, but his claims are decimated by statements.

[Corkscrewed]

lmao, this is STILL going? :rofl:

[ddpBANG]

WHY IN THE HELL AM I SUBSCRIBED TO THIS STUPID FUCKING THREAD!?

[Schoenauer]

Indcedentally, I think WCW would have died sooner without WWE around, so I dispute the notion that the WWF killed WCW. Their biggest boosts fed off one another. WWE wouldn't even make a "Monday Night Wars" DVD if they didn't end up on top in the end. ignore the obvious reason, the end result is the same. If they hadn't STOPPED dominating Raw after 83 weeks, it never would be brought up. WWE likes to write themselves as the strongman.

As such, they will make claims of doing more than they do, but never less. If WWE felt they had some more instrumental role in the death of WCW or ECW, they would have bragged that all over the MNW and RAFoECW discs. Why?

Because not even Vince Fucking McMahon is going to say that shit. And he takes credit for a lot.

Regardless, even WWE contradicts Vermaat, so whether you agree with me that without the WWF, WCW would have tanked sooner (Without that competition, the markets would have dried up fast), the one thing we can all agree on is that Vermaat IS wrong, because this may be speculation, but his claims are decimated by statements.
Like I said, WCW's end was inevitable.

[Kane Knight]

Like I said, WCW's end was inevitable.

I totally agree. I just don't think it's particularly a popular opinion. I think without the Attitude Era, we'd have lost wrestling a long time ago.

[Schoenauer]

Well, WWE definitely needs to get back into its A-Game, otherwise we'll be stuck with CZW.

[Arnold HamNegger]

I think without the Attitude Era, we'd have lost wrestling a long time ago.

Yeah, it was such a great time to be a wrestling fan back then. You had the MNW competition which pushed WWE to improve it's product because for the first time ever they got their ass kicked. And WWE developed the Attitude Era partially because they stole ideas from ECW. Those three wrestling companies created the "Perfect Storm."

It's unfortunate that we will probably not live to see that happen again. Something needs to spark a sense of urgency in WWE, otherwise wrestling fans will continue to suffer. The scary thought is what if WCW had successfully run WWE out of business, as they were so close to doing? There would have been no Attitude Era...and arguably, no mainstream wrestling today. I watched WCW from it's beginning to it's end and there's no way that company would still be around today, in my opinion. The sole purpose of that companies existence was to eliminate WWE. Once that had happened, the company didn't have strong enough leadership to continue to stay afloat this long. Hell, at the end Flair, Benoit and Mean Gene talk about how 5 minutes before Nitro went on the air, they didn't have a run sheet as to what the hell was going on. WCW was it's own worst enemy.


But I'm not telling you anything you don't already know......

[Kane Knight]

I know who Vermaat really is...

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...John Cena's mom.

[Arnold HamNegger]

As luck would have it KK, Alex Shelley and I have been stalking Mrs. Cena/Vermaat for a while now. We've just recieved a nice settlement from uglypeople.com :shifty:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f146/ShotzCA/augly6.jpg

Now you know the inspiration for his catch phrase.

[Kane Knight]

As luck would have it KK, Alex Shelley and I have been stalking Mrs. Cena/Vermaat for a while now. We've just recieved a nice settlement from uglypeople.com :shifty:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f146/ShotzCA/augly6.jpg

Now you know the inspiration for his catch phrase.


You can't see me! You'll claw your eyes out first!

[AJHayes]

Jesus God almighty man.. What else will I see on this weird night.. It truely is fear and loathing in Michigan. This is the grandmother that I have seen crawling up my leg with a knife in her teeth.

[Kalyx triaD]

So did they make it or break it?

[The MAC]

fuck you and fuck cena..I'd rather have orton as champ..fuck, I'd rather have mae young as champ

[Kane Knight]

So did they make it or break it?

Cena won. They OBVIOUSLY made it.

[Scarface]

\m/ CENA RULES \m/

[Pepsi Man]

Cena won. They OBVIOUSLY made it.
BUT they jobbed Mark Henry, the World's STRONGEST Man, Sexual Chocolate out to that Under...whatever guy.

[Arnold HamNegger]

Cena won. They OBVIOUSLY made it.

And the fans OBVIOUSLY went home happy. :roll:

[Kane Knight]

And the fans OBVIOUSLY went home happy. :roll:

Except for those DAMNED bad apples! :mad:

[Innovator]

At the end of Mania, it looked like WWE shot everyone member of the audience's dog

[Arnold HamNegger]

At the end of Mania, it looked like WWE shot everyone member of the audience's dog

Vince-"Ladies and Gentlemen...well, really just Gentleman. The bad news is you will get no happy ending tonight, as we will continue to cram Super-Cena up your ass with the worlds largest turkey baster. The good news is that you can cancel that Vet appointment for next week. We'll see you tomorrow night!"

[Aussie Skier]

Who else in the wwe has come up with new catchphrases lately? no one and Cena brough them in a big way, so to say that cena is bad because of his catchphrases is just GRASPING AT STRAWS



"'whatzupwitdat?' 'Thats not cool.' Vermatt, 'I'm coming to get ya!' Because I am a 'Wrestling GOD!' That's right, I'm kennedy....'Kennedy'. And Vermatt, it 'wasn't my fault!' that you're an idiot! 'What' i hear you say... that's right, i'm the 'R-rated superstar'."

Dude, honestly, if you're gonna make statements, at least try and have them make sense.

[Aussie Skier]

Crowd psychology is true. Do you ever hear the term "started a chant". That's right, a small group in the crowd can "start a chant" and have the rest of the people join in. But it starts in that core group. The rest of the crowd sees it and in order not to be left out even if they don't agree with it they join in. It is called PRESSURE TO CONFORM. research it. A small group of bad apples starts these things and in order to not be left out everyone joins in, thats why it's a fact and any scientist will agree.




why then, when me and about 10 of us tried to start a JBL chant, did it descend into a full "around the arena JBL sucks chant"

[tucsonspeed6]

Why was this bumped?

[Kane Knight]

"'whatzupwitdat?' 'Thats not cool.' Vermatt, 'I'm coming to get ya!' Because I am a 'Wrestling GOD!' That's right, I'm kennedy....'Kennedy'. And Vermatt, it 'wasn't my fault!' that you're an idiot! 'What' i hear you say... that's right, i'm the 'R-rated superstar'."

Dude, honestly, if you're gonna make statements, at least try and have them make sense.

Most of those suck, and the Hurricane's goes back so far that he used it on the Rock. Don't even try and pretend those are worthwhile.

[Arnold HamNegger]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f146/ShotzCA/batmanrobin.jpg
Holy hallucinations Batman!








This thread should sue Matt Hardy for gimmick infringement.

[TerranRich]

So what HAS Rick Rude been... okay, I'll stop.

[Aussie Skier]

Most of those suck, and the Hurricane's goes back so far that he used it on the Rock. Don't even try and pretend those are worthwhile.

Vermatt said there had been no good catch phrases since the Rock, the fact is that altho the hurricane's catchphrase is old, it is not as old as the rock's catchphrases.

anywayz, i don't think most of them suck.

I agree, 'WHAT' sucks, but carlito, Kennedy, Boogeyman and JBL's catchphrases r all cool IMO.

btw, sorry 4 bumping, i was reading about it being unacceptable 4 JBL to win the title at judgement day, and just got hooked on reading the dribble that vermatt was writing

[Kane Knight]

Vermatt said there had been no good catch phrases since the Rock, the fact is that altho the hurricane's catchphrase is old, it is not as old as the rock's catchphrases.

anywayz, i don't think most of them suck.

I agree, 'WHAT' sucks, but carlito, Kennedy, Boogeyman and JBL's catchphrases r all cool IMO.

btw, sorry 4 bumping, i was reading about it being unacceptable 4 JBL to win the title at judgement day, and just got hooked on reading the dribble that vermatt was writing

VErmaat's wrong, just not as wrong as you seem to think.

First off, Hurricane's been around since the Rock was around, and that kind of makes it moot. His just doesn't count, nor is it really all that good. Boogeyman's is shit. JBL's is decent, Carlito's is (But the "spit or Swallow" one is better), and Kennedy's...Well, it gets people chanting along. Much like Christian's "That's how I roll," which probably should have been included.

Still, none of these compare to the Rock's phrases.

But then again, Neither does Cena.

[Kane Knight]

Also, I wouldn't worry about the apologies for bumping this thread. It's like watching a mentally retarded kid get gang-raped by 30 gorillas--As much as you want to look away, or call for help, or step in, you just can't.

[Shadow]

Also, I wouldn't worry about the apologies for bumping this thread. It's like watching a mentally retarded kid get gang-raped by 30 gorillas--As much as you want to look away, or call for help, or step in, you just can't.

Thanks...I needed the headache from banging my head on the ground from laughing so much. Ow.

[Funky Fly]

Who fucking bumped this? Come on. :n: