Van Dam, Sabu - Busted in Ohio?

[St. Jimmy]

According to TPWW's own news and other sites Rob and Sabu got busted driving back from a show when a cop busted Rob for speeding. They immediatly smelled pot, and searched the car. They found pot and vicodin on Rob, and other medication on Sabu. So here's what i'm wondering:

a) is this true?
b) what the fuck action is WWECW going to take?
c) will anyone even care?

[Xero]

The Ironton Tribune is reporting today that Rob Van Dam and Sabu were arrested Sunday night as they were driving from yesterday's ECW show in Huntington, WV to tonight's Raw taping in Philadelphia, PA. RVD was driving the car near Hanging Rock, OH when they were pulled over for speeding. When the trooper approached the car, he smelled marijuana and performed a search. The story reported that RVD, real name Robert Szatowski, was found to have 18 grams of marijuana and five Vicodin in his possession.

The story also stated that Sabu, real name Terry Brunk, "was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia and also had nine pills that were not immediately identifiable, but were known to be controlled substances, according to the OSHP." They were cited and posted bond at the scene. They are both scheduled to appear at 10 a.m. on Thursday in Ironton Municipal Court.

Source: http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18912&p=1

If this is true, and the WWE enforces their policy, they just lost their ECW and WWE champion and main non-champion ECW star.

Boy, if ECW wasn't fucked before, it is now.

If Van Dam loses the title tonight or tomorrow, we'll know why...

[The Naitch]

lol at ECW

[St. Jimmy]

is it possible to be addicted to pot?

[KingofOldSchool]

is it possible to be addicted to pot?

Are you being serious?

Of course pot is addictive, what drug isn't addictive?

But on subject, Sabu and RVD put the high in Ohio.

[KingofOldSchool]

Paul Heyman is on death watch right about now.

[El Fangel]

Looks like Ecw may soon take a nose dive right the shitter, for me these were the few I watched Ecw for, and If they leave, Cena gets his title back, and Ecw not have anyone to shine the spotlight on besides Angle, it may be a rough time, thankfully Angle is good enough to M.E by himself and still have a great match :P , but seriously I can see Ecw pull through this but it will add some turmoil to Raw and Smackdown to help fix things, Anyone have any insight on what may happen?

I'm guessing there may be a few more drafts to replace rvd and sabu, if they have to leave for awhile.

[KingofOldSchool]

Too bad Angle is taking time off.

[Xero]

Angle's taking time off, so you can forget about him carrying the company, unless he stays on in what could be an emergency situatation.

[El Fangel]

yeah, ecw losing angle, rvd and sabu is pretty much a deathblow, and I had forgot angle was taking time off.

Like I said they may have to draft a few people at least for a bit until angle rvd and sabu come back after they heal / suspension runs up

[Xero]

The following is from the WWE's policy, and basically says that we can say bye bye to both Sabu and RVD...

"13. DISCIPLINE FOR VIOLATION OF LAW

Any Talent who is arrested, convicted or who admits to a violation of law relating to use, possession, purchase, sale or distribution of prohibited drugs will be in material breach of contract and subject to immediate dismissal.

Source: http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18913&p=1

Since the WWE went so public with this (considering it was covered on the news), they have to follow through if it's true, otherwise there could be problems with stockholders, among other things.

[El Fangel]

Now that sounds as bad as it can get!

[El Fangel]

In the words of Carlito

"That, Thats not cool"

[Blue Demon]

ya, kinda shitty. Both PWBTS and Wrestleview have it up too, and both are usually pretty reliable.

[addy2hotty]

Bye bye Rob. At least your title reign lasted longer than Kane & Edge's.

You have to laugh though, if ECW dies, then Vince will nail these two to the cross for it. He now has the scapegoats he needs.

[Fox]

Very interesting situation all around.

On one hand, we now know for a complete and certain fact that RVD's stoner character isn't kayfabe, which is kind of cool in it's own way.

On the other hand, Van Dam is probably at the highest peak of his career right now what with main eventing both RAW and ECW shows and holding both the WWE Championship and ECW Championship. It's a shame that he's going to have to lose the belts and his push this way.

Will WWE give RVD and Sabu full releases? Would they go so far with this drug testing enactment as to get rid of two of their biggest stars and let them go to another promotion?


In my opinion, it's just weed, and RVD and Sabu both take enough high impact risks to need pain medication. They definitely don't deserve to be fired over this stupid bullshit.

[LK]

If WWE goes through with their policy then people at TNA must be fucking dancing right now.

[Xero]

If Van Dam goes to TNA I will watch it every week until it dies.

[Impeccable]

The following is from the WWE's policy, and basically says that we can say bye bye to both Sabu and RVD...

"13. DISCIPLINE FOR VIOLATION OF LAW

Any Talent who is arrested, convicted or who admits to a violation of law relating to use, possession, purchase, sale or distribution of prohibited drugs will be in material breach of contract and subject to immediate dismissal.

Source: http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18913&p=1

Since the WWE went so public with this (considering it was covered on the news), they have to follow through if it's true, otherwise there could be problems with stockholders, among other things.

I think we may have a get out clause for not releasing Van Dam at least. The words "subject to" means they shouldn't be surprised if it happens, but it doesn't mean it WILL happen.

[KingofOldSchool]

RVD will get sent to rehab and Sabu will be released.

[6to1]

i was waiting for rvd to get busted it was only a matter of time.

[Kane Knight]

lol at ECW

Yeah, you'd NEED to be stoned to be involved in this shit.

[KingofOldSchool]

Nobody gets higher than Rob...Van...Dam.

Well except for maybe Sabu, but then again 90% of the time he botches it.

[Kane Knight]

I think we may have a get out clause for not releasing Van Dam at least. The words "subject to" means they shouldn't be surprised if it happens, but it doesn't mean it WILL happen.

Have you ever heard the phrase "subjected to ______?"

Subject doesn't mean that it might happen, it means it will happen to them.

Of course, WWE won't fire RVD. But did ANYONE think that their wellness plan was worth the paper it was printed on?

[KingofOldSchool]

Of course, WWE won't fire RVD. But did ANYONE think that their wellness plan was worth the paper it was printed on?

But they sent Joey Mercury to rehab, so it must be working!

[Londoner]

Are you being serious?

Of course pot is addictive, what drug isn't addictive?

But on subject, Sabu and RVD put the high in Ohio.

Check the facts, Weed isn't addictive. Now yes, when theres some around people will smoke a great deal of it, but that doesn't mean its addictive. Addiction is when you can't cope with out a drug, and many people who smoke weed can go without it. (I know many people who smoke weed, very well educated on drugs they're to, like me, and they all say the samething)

Btw, I can name quite a few drugs that aren't addictive.

LSD, ketamine, mushrooms, just to name a few. Go research drugs before you claim every fucking drug is addictive, alright, just from that statement of yours its clear I know far more on this subject than you do.

[PullMyFinger]

lol There goes ECW!

[KingofOldSchool]

Actually I think RVD's punishment will be is that he will be subjected to having sex with Lita.

I think that was Edge's punishment for having his lackluster babyface run in 2004.

[KingofOldSchool]

Check the facts, Weed isn't addictive. Now yes, when theres some around people will smoke a great deal of it, but that doesn't mean its addictive. Addiction is when you can't cope with out a drug, and many people who smoke weed can go without it.

Thanks Doogie Howser.

[Corkscrewed]

lmao.

The story of the WWE right now: even when good things happen, they end up unhappening.

[Xero]

Check the facts, Weed isn't addictive. Now yes, when theres some around people will smoke a great deal of it, but that doesn't mean its addictive. Addiction is when you can't cope with out a drug, and many people who smoke weed can go without it. (I know many people who smoke weed, very well educated on drugs they're to, like me, and they all say the samething)

Btw, I can name quite a few drugs that aren't addictive.

LSD, ketamine, mushrooms, just to name a few. Go research drugs before you claim every fucking drug is addictive, alright, just from that statement of yours its clear I know far more on this subject than you do.
You say "many people" can go without it. What about the people who aren't lumped into the "many" category? It would have to be addictive to some extent to say "many" and not "ALL" people (who use it) can go without it.

[Kane Knight]

Check the facts, Weed isn't addictive. Now yes, when theres some around people will smoke a great deal of it, but that doesn't mean its addictive. Addiction is when you can't cope with out a drug, and many people who smoke weed can go without it. (I know many people who smoke weed, very well educated on drugs they're to, like me, and they all say the samething)

Btw, I can name quite a few drugs that aren't addictive.

LSD, ketamine, mushrooms, just to name a few. Go research drugs before you claim every fucking drug is addictive, alright, just from that statement of yours its clear I know far more on this subject than you do.

Actually, considering habit-forming drugs are considered psychologically addicting, check your facts before you dismiss someone. And please, check what your description of addiction is, as you're kind of, well, wrong there.

[Kane Knight]

You say "many people" can go without it. What about the people who aren't lumped into the "many" category? It would have to be addictive to some extent to say "many" and not "ALL" people (who use it) can go without it.

Many people can go without niccotine, too. I guess that's not addictive.

OH WAIT I GUESS THERE GOES THAT THEORY.

[Disturbed316]

ROFL maybe they might get the Orton threatment by getting "injured" whilst suspended or something.

[James Steele]

http://www.irontontribune.com/

I want a copy of the front page of their newspaper.

[Loose Cannon]

Awesome, Tanner Brooks will be racing at the County Fair Next week.

[Skippord]

Maybe Edge will win the titles tomorrow

[RP]

ROFLCopter

[Loose Cannon]

Two wrestling superstars from Extreme Championship Wrestling and World Wrestling Entertainment may be tough in the ring, but they didn’t have enough muscle to escape drug charges after being stopped

LOL, kicking them when they're down.

[loopydate]

In my opinion, it's just weed, and RVD and Sabu both take enough high impact risks to need pain medication. They definitely don't deserve to be fired over this stupid bullshit.

Now, I'm all for legalization, since marijuana is a lot less dangerous than tobacco or alcohol, and a ridiculous percentage of the U.S. prison population is incarcerated on pot-related charges...

HOWEVER

It's not "just" weed when your company has gone very public with an anti-substance policy and you're two of the most visible aspects of that company. I love RVD and Sabu, but this was absolutely fucking idiotic.

I know it's cool (for some ridiculous reason) to rebel against authority by lighting up, but they HAD to know they were going to get caught, and they deserve to be punished for their own stupidity.

[Kris P Lettus]

SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY

Uhh, they should be more worried about the pills than the weed.. 9 times outta 10, the pills are a Class 3 Controled Substance which will be a felony charge for EACH pill.. That is, if they don't have a perscription..

The weed on the other hand, since it was under an once (28 grams) will be a misdemeanor..

I do not know the specific laws where they got busted but most times this is the case..

[loopydate]

That's a good point, Krispy. Unless they can provide prescriptions, their troubles will extend way beyond getting released from WWE.

[loopydate]

WWE.com just confirmed this, btw. Both guys will still be on Sci-Fi tomorrow, but I bet it's the last time we'll see Sabu, and I imagine that RVD will be let go shortly after SNME.

[Kris P Lettus]

I'm sure a WWE paid doctor writing on a piece of paper can be arranged if the higher ups aren't too pissed..

[loopydate]

That's a pretty big if.

[Azriel]

That's a pretty good prediction loopy. RVD will probably keep the belt until SNME, unless they get someone great to replace him.

Damn, and I was really getting to like Sabu. Hey, maybe Tommy Dreamer will get a main event push :shifty:

[owenbrown]

Oh fucking great, now ECW is really fucked now. :shifty: :wavesad:

[Team Sheep]

Lol, RVD's always so red in the face during/after his matches. He must smoke that shit often.

[6to1]

well rvd was on thin ice anyway after he did not go to iraq, so i see edge getting the belt tonight. an i don't know who will get the ecw belt sandman maby big show.

[Team Sheep]

The title's not on the line tonight is it?

[Skippord]

Nah but both are tomorrow

[Chavo Classic]

Well done Mr Van Dam. You've just broke through the glas ceiling and the first thing you wanna do is grind up some pills using the shards.

[6to1]

well i guess they could wait till tomorow to make the raitings for both shows higher. alot of people will watch to see what hapens to rvd.

[Chavo Classic]

well i guess they could wait till tomorow to make the raitings for both shows higher. alot of people will watch to see what hapens to rvd.

Taking it account the whole 'no drugs ever ever again' revolution that happened following Eddie's death, I can't see higher ratings saving RVD's ass right now. Just bear this in mind... if he wasn't the champion of two of the three brands, he'd be fired already. I imagine they're just thinking up ways of letting him down gently and releasing him in a few months when he's back to Mr. Mid-card.

[Xero]

well i guess they could wait till tomorow to make the raitings for both shows higher. alot of people will watch to see what hapens to rvd.
LOL, no doubt they will!

[6to1]

how much time is left on his contract the problem with him geting fired is tna may pick him up an vince does not want to help them out.

[ThruTheWire]

is it possible to be addicted to pot?

You can't get physically "addicted" to pot, you can however become psychologically dependent on it....

[RVDmark]

Its a work he's keeping kayfabe like vito in that dress. He has a stoner gimmick and well now its advertised around the whole country. And yeah he was a bit stupid speeding if he had weed in the car. After mcmahon and the steroid trial he should just ignore it. Yeah I like RVD and Yeah I get caned quite a lot but if RVD aint wrestling I might have to go burn one with him, anyone know where I can contact him????

:D :shifty:

[RVDmark]

On a more serious note.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Why Why Why Why Why Why Why Why Why???

[Chavo Classic]

Because he's dumb enough to get caught

[jindrak]

wikipedia already has RVD's profile updated.

[Kane Knight]

Now, I'm all for legalization, since marijuana is a lot less dangerous than tobacco or alcohol, and a ridiculous percentage of the U.S. prison population is incarcerated on pot-related charges...

HOWEVER

It's not "just" weed when your company has gone very public with an anti-substance policy and you're two of the most visible aspects of that company. I love RVD and Sabu, but this was absolutely fucking idiotic.

I know it's cool (for some ridiculous reason) to rebel against authority by lighting up, but they HAD to know they were going to get caught, and they deserve to be punished for their own stupidity.

This was stupid, it was more than weed, and it was the wrong time to be sparking up no matter what.

HOWEVER, Drug paraphernallia is a loose term which can be levied against almost anything that COULD be for drug use. It could be a crack pipe or a needle, but it could also be papers (Legal use) or even something as asinine as jewelry. And while those pills are a controlled substance, we really don't know what it was. A lot of places will nail you just for carrying prescription drugs in a non RX container. It's pretty easy to get legal painkillers, too.

Now, they may be idiots, but a lot of the charges might be bullshit. There's no denying the weed, but I'm curious about the rest.

A friend of mine got fired from an establishment for a hemp necklace which was considered "drug paraphenallia." Main reason I'm curious how serious this is. They're probably guilty and Fox's "They deserve pain relief" isn't really enough to deal with these charges if those other pills aren't even pain relief.

...Not to mention how retarded you have to be to not get Vicodin legally.

[Kane Knight]

Taking it account the whole 'no drugs ever ever again' revolution that happened following Eddie's death, I can't see higher ratings saving RVD's ass right now. Just bear this in mind... if he wasn't the champion of two of the three brands, he'd be fired already. I imagine they're just thinking up ways of letting him down gently and releasing him in a few months when he's back to Mr. Mid-card.

Come on, Vince is a trotal hypocrite. The only way he'll cave on Mister Monday/Tuesday Night is if sponsors or the likeget on his ass. And even then, he'll fire Rob but create a gimmick in which one of the sponsors is going around dictating policy for WWE, stopping chick from getting nekkid, and getting his ass kicked by Steve Austin, DX, and the Underrrrrrtaker.

[Juan]

They're just "subject to termination" which doesn't mean that they'll for sure get fired. If the WWE is really interested in keeping ECW afloat, they'll just slap them with a fine, of course, pending WWE's "investigation."

[Kris P Lettus]

but it could also be papers (Legal use)

Here, it's illegal to carry papers if you don't have tobbacco with them..

[6to1]

how can they bust you for just papers they don't know what you will smoke with them.

[Kane Knight]

Here, it's illegal to carry papers if you don't have tobbacco with them..

Here, it's not. Which is especially good, since many places sell papers but not the tobacco itself.

6to1, it's stupid, but a lot of places still do it.

[KayfabeMan]

Assholes. Both of them.

Thanks :y:

[NeanderCarl]

My feeling is they cannot levy a heavier punishment against one wrestler than the other. Common sense tells you that RVD is more valuable to the company than Sabu, but if Sabu gets fired and RVD doesn't, that will cause waves. Especially with all the talk about the drug testing being non-discriminatory (everybody gets tested and punished the same, whether main event or jobber).

My personal feeling is, they will phase out RVD and Sabu as soon as possible, and the suspend the pair of them, or even send them to rehab. When they return, WWE will fire Sabu for "unrelated" reasons. RVD will get to keep his job, but will probably be treading water for the rest of his WWE tenure.

The only other alternative I see is if WWE fires the pair of them, but brings RVD back in about 6 months time (assuming that he doesn't opt to work for TNA instead).

[Kane Knight]

We know the non-discriminatory line is bullshit.

Besides, different charges were levied against the two. You cannot say they need the same punishment, especially since we don't even know if Sabu's pills were a felony or an unmarked perscription of Prozac.

[Xero]

=with all the talk about the drug testing being non-discriminatory (everybody gets tested and punished the same, whether main event or jobber, unless your name is Vince McMahon, Triple H, Shawn Michaels or Undertaker).

[NeanderCarl]

Well, you know and I know that the "everybody treated equally" line is bullshit, but they have to be seen publicly to uphold that. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors (regarding drug testing on guys like HHH etc.), but this is a very public incident.

[Kane Knight]

Well, you know and I know that the "everybody treated equally" line is bullshit, but they have to be seen publicly to uphold that. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors (regarding drug testing on guys like HHH etc.), but this is a very public incident.

Just like they were publically showing themselves to be against steroids throughout the 90s?

[Impact!]

The Immediate Future Of Rob Van Dam & Sabu

Partial Source: PWInsider.com

It's been said that Rob Van Dam and Sabu are taking their punishments very well. They are not complaining at all since they know it's their fault. Neither man will be fired over the incident. After this month, all parties will be moving forward as if it never happened.

Rob Van Dam will be gone for 30 days, however, he's in line for a huge push when he returns next month. Also, Sabu's push will continue and it doesn't appear that he will be suspended. Vince McMahon likes Sabu so much that it appears as though that he doesn't have anything to worry about in terms of getting fired or being de-pushed. McMahon loves his old-school wildman character, as well as his in-ring work.

Source: Pwrestlingnews.com

[Kane Knight]

Knew nothing would come of it.

[DominateR]

That's a pretty good prediction loopy. RVD will probably keep the belt until SNME, unless they get someone great to replace him.

Damn, and I was really getting to like Sabu. Hey, maybe Tommy Dreamer will get a main event push :shifty:

Well, now that Edge has the "WWE Championship" does that mean he's carrying around BOTH belts or just the WWE title, because frankly RVD should have the ECW World Title on him if the match wasn't for BOTH belts, and considering the fact that none of the superstars (RVD, Edge or Cena) said anything about it being for both belts nor did the commentators, and the title graphic only displayed the WWE title...it would just make a bigger mess out of stuff than things already are with these 2 title belts, IMHO. But then I just thought about this: with RVD's 30-day suspension, if he was still hanging on to the ECW belt and didn't drop it to someone tuesday, would the ECW title be vacated, and we'd have to see some kind of tournament for it or something? Please, if anyone can clear up ANY details whatsoever let me know.

P.S.--Really, a big loser in this whole thing is the reputation of wrestlers from Michigan. RVD, as it is well known is from Battle Creek, and Sabu (real name Terry Brunk) is from Detroit and trained by the original Sheik (real name Ed[ward] Farhat) who lived here in Lansing, MI which is where I live. If you want to read more on Sabu or the Sheik plenty of info is on both their pages on Wikipedia--the worst thing about this is that I am actually good friends with a couple of people from the Sheik's family who live in town...it really saddens me to think what they would say about all this if they knew, but as far as I can tell they don't follow wrestling all that closely.

[NeanderCarl]

Well, now that Edge has the "WWE Championship" does that mean he's carrying around BOTH belts or just the WWE title, because frankly RVD should have the ECW World Title on him if the match wasn't for BOTH belts, and considering the fact that none of the superstars (RVD, Edge or Cena) said anything about it being for both belts nor did the commentators, and the title graphic only displayed the WWE title...it would just make a bigger mess out of stuff than things already are with these 2 title belts, IMHO. But then I just thought about this: with RVD's 30-day suspension, if he was still hanging on to the ECW belt and didn't drop it to someone tuesday, would the ECW title be vacated, and we'd have to see some kind of tournament for it or something? Please, if anyone can clear up ANY details whatsoever let me know.

P.S.--Really, a big loser in this whole thing is the reputation of wrestlers from Michigan. RVD, as it is well known is from Battle Creek, and Sabu (real name Terry Brunk) is from Detroit and trained by the original Sheik (real name Ed[ward] Farhat) who lived here in Lansing, MI which is where I live. If you want to read more on Sabu or the Sheik plenty of info is on both their pages on Wikipedia--the worst thing about this is that I am actually good friends with a couple of people from the Sheik's family who live in town...it really saddens me to think what they would say about all this if they knew, but as far as I can tell they don't follow wrestling all that closely.

Sabu IS the Sheik's family.

[Kane Knight]

Well, now that Edge has the "WWE Championship" does that mean he's carrying around BOTH belts or just the WWE title, because frankly RVD should have the ECW World Title on him if the match wasn't for BOTH belts, and considering the fact that none of the superstars (RVD, Edge or Cena) said anything about it being for both belts nor did the commentators, and the title graphic only displayed the WWE title...it would just make a bigger mess out of stuff than things already are with these 2 title belts, IMHO.

Watch ECW. Or if the utter shit programming is a deterrent, read the results somewhere. This is all answered.

[El Fangel]

Ok this may have already been said/discussed

Rvd is suspended whilst Sabu gets a 1000 dollar fine
while this is good, it is also bad. Sabu is a nice crowd draw, but Rvd was about to hit the high point of his career ( excuse the bad pun :P ), and this happening may be a bad blow to his career and also Ecw. As he is one of the best known ecw wrestlers this may take a ratings chunk away. And while Big Show may be able to be a good ME-er I really don't believe it would be RVD or Angle material.

[JohnnyA]

Both of these guys are assholes. RVD would be a bigger loss than Sabu (at least in my opinion) but I wouldn't be surprised if they're both gone. (for a couple of different reasons)

Yeah, they can do some crazy things in the ring, but...*shrug*

I just have to give a little chuckle when people talk about RVD versus Jerry Lynn as one of the great ECW matches. There was alot going on there. :roll:

[Corkscrewed]

To those still saying they're gonna be gone... might want to read Impact's copy of the PWInsider news article. :lol:

Good that they'll be back, but in a way, I do think that to move on like nothing happened sets a bad example. I mean, if this happened to Mark Henry, and then he got a push after coming back, people would be up in arms. Even with Orton, there were some people annoyed that he was getting pushed again after the suspension.

In any case, I just hope it works out for the best in that both guys don't screw up again.

[El Fangel]

why does it seem that Orton is getting a face reaction (sort of)

Also I can't wait for Rvd to get back, as I am a fan of "crazy-shit".
but also I believe that he shouldn't get the ME push right away, or people may be WTF?

[Kane Knight]

Of course they weren't sacked. Imagine if Sabu, the guy they're building ECW on was gone. Imagine if RVD, the whole Fucking Show was left to hop to TNA? These are disasters even WWE isn't stupid enough to allow for.