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FakeLaser

11-16-2006, 04:08 PM

Sounds good to me.

Jim Sorgi

11-16-2006, 04:09 PM

lol yah. I'm pretty sure this is just Manny being Manny again.

Jim Sorgi

11-16-2006, 04:10 PM

Actually, i dont even think you'd have to worry about Manny being in that deal. Just let the Astros give Lidge to the Red Sox for free. That would do the job.

FakeLaser

11-16-2006, 04:16 PM

He has? He's so inconsistant and the guy notoriously disapears in the playoffs. 7-8, 3.40, 142 K in 135 IP doesn't sound too bad for playoff numbers to me.

Moose is good for 15 wins, 180 Ks and an ERA under 4 usually. I don't know what else you could want from a 38 year old, especially considering the other options on the market.

I'll admit that 2004 and 2005 weren't his best seasons but they were far from terrible (look at his K/BB numbers, and his other numbers weren't horrible), plus he bounced back big time this year and was in Cy Young talks for a portion of the season. He wasn't at peak condition in 2004 or 2005 anyway. He came back in 2006 on top of his game and put together a great season.

Jim Sorgi

11-16-2006, 04:17 PM

~ Door bell rings ~

Theo Epsteins wife : Hunny who's at the door?

Theo Epstein : Ummm Brad Lidge wrapped in gift wrap...

Jim Sorgi

11-16-2006, 04:18 PM

I dont claim to watch every Yankee game, but it seems to me, Mussina dissapears in the big ones. Maybe i'm wrong.

Dragon

11-16-2006, 04:19 PM

Yeah, as much as I would like to get rid of Pavano it really isn't possible with the rotation we have right now which is basically Mussina and Wang. I guess it depends on what happens this offseason.

FakeLaser

11-16-2006, 04:20 PM

Nah, he's had a couple of bad games but he's had a lot of good ones too. He seems to have trouble with the Angels in the postseason, just like the rest of the Yankees. He has pitched pretty well against everyone else (including Boston).

ct2k

11-16-2006, 04:39 PM

wtf how the hell is Mussina inconsistent?

FakeLaser

11-16-2006, 06:24 PM

Cubs get:
Neal Cotts (LHP)

White Sox get:
David Aardsma (RHP)
Carlos Vazquez (LHP)

This could pay off for the Cubs, Cotts is a year removed from posting a sub 2.00 ERA and moving to the NL should help.

The Tigers also resigned Sean Casey to a one year deal. Good move.

Joey Slugs

11-16-2006, 06:46 PM

The last time the Sox traded with the Cubs... we got Jon Garland.

This time... not so much.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-16-2006, 07:06 PM

Anyone got any recommendations for a good ball park to check out this summer/spend a weekend in the same city? Been to Wrigley and the Trop in Tampa so far. Probably would have to be a Red Sox oppopent since my dad wants to "keep the tradition" we have going now. I am hoping Seattle if its works out, but my dad isn't too keen on the long ass flight due to knee/back problems so I dunno who else.

NYC is out of the question too since I could just drive there if I really wanted to go to a game that badly.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-16-2006, 07:07 PM

btw pretty sure my dad gets me a better birthday gift (a weekend trip to Red Sox away games) then your dad gets you :cool:

BCWWF

11-16-2006, 07:19 PM

Seattle would probably be a stadium that I would love to go to. I've never been there, but it just seems like a really sweet city.

I have only heard great things about Pittsburgh, so if you are playing them in interleague or something. St. Louis would also be another great place if the Sox play there in interleague. In terms of American League, you have already been to Chicago, but I have heard some great things about the White Sox ballpark. Cleveland has always seemed like a sweet place too.

Kansas City was fun when I went, but I don't know if it would be worth going all the way from Boston to see the Sox there. The cool thing about Kansas City is that there is nobody there so you can get really close to the players and stuff. Texas might be a fun place to go too.

Hanso Amore

11-16-2006, 08:05 PM

i still am trying to find out why the jays need thomas. They have bullpen issues, need a 2nd baseman or shortstop, and another starter

By ading Thomas they add 100 plus rbis and 30 homers, plus a high on base percentage to the DH spot. This lets them pull in get a defensive SS/2b that wont be relied on to produce as much at the plate. So instead of going for a JulioLugo, they can maybe get by wit hRuss Adams

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-16-2006, 08:14 PM

Come on, RBIs dont matter!!!

BCWWF

11-16-2006, 08:14 PM

I think Thomas is a great pickup for Toronto if he stays healthy. Imagine what he can do Wells and that lineup.

YOUR Hero

11-16-2006, 11:03 PM

Go up to Toronto, Stima.

Gertner

11-16-2006, 11:06 PM

By ading Thomas they add 100 plus rbis and 30 homers, plus a high on base percentage to the DH spot. This lets them pull in get a defensive SS/2b that wont be relied on to produce as much at the plate. So instead of going for a JulioLugo, they can maybe get by wit hRuss Adams

The Jays have enough offence. They desparatly need a 2b or shortstop that can hit a bit(whichever position they don't play Hill at).

Dude, Adams was friggen AWFUL last year. He has no arm, can't hit and can't run.

RoXer

11-17-2006, 01:29 AM

Athletics hire Geren as manager

By JANIE McCAULEY, AP Sports Writer
November 16, 2006

AP - Nov 16, 8:52 pm EST
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OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Bob Geren will be promoted from bench coach to manager of the Oakland Athletics, ending a monthlong search for Ken Macha's replacement.

Two A's players told The Associated Press that Geren called them Thursday after he was hired. The team scheduled a news conference for Friday afternoon to formally introduce Geren as their new manager. He fills the final managerial vacancy in the major leagues this offseason, one month after the A's fired Macha.

General manager Billy Beane went with the most experience and the familiar face, his longtime friend and former high school baseball opponent in San Diego.

A's closer Huston Street said he heard Thursday from Geren, who told the pitcher he got the job.

"I'm really excited," said Street, the 2005 AL Rookie of the Year. "He's already called me and we've spoken a little bit. I spent my first full year in the big leagues with him in the bullpen. He was the first professional coach I got a feel for and got to understand. What he brings is someone dedicated to the team and dedicated to his players. He's got a good feel for the team and that's a real positive for all of us."

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Of the three finalists, a list that also included Colorado Rockies bench coach Jamie Quirk and ESPN baseball analyst and former Texas Rangers pitching coach Orel Hershiser, only Geren had any managerial experience. He was the first to interview for the job on Oct. 30.

Beane and assistant GM David Forst both were traveling Thursday night and not immediately available for comment. Messages left for Geren went unreturned.

Geren, a catcher for five seasons with the New York Yankees and San Diego Padres, spent the 2006 season as bench coach in Oakland after three seasons as bullpen coach in his first stint on a major league coaching staff.

"I think it helped him quite a bit," Beane said Tuesday in his first and only public comments about the search. "But until you sit in that chair, the only preparation is really doing it."

Geren joined the A's organization in 1999 as manager of Class-A Modesto, then spent the next three seasons managing at Triple-A Sacramento. He also has managed in the Dominican Winter League and managed during three of his five seasons in the Red Sox organization from 1994-98. He has a 452-390 record in seven seasons as a minor league manager.

A's center fielder Mark Kotsay also received a call from Geren on Thursday with the news -- exactly the kind of communication players appreciate, Kotsay said.

"Bob seems to be a good communicator and he probably reached out to everybody on the club and let them know he's the manager of the Oakland A's and is looking forward to managing us," Kotsay said in a phone interview. "Obviously he's very familiar with the team. He's familiar with the staff. His experience over the last couple of years as bullpen coach and bench coach will help him be a great manager for our ballclub."

The 45-year-old Geren, the best man in Beane's second wedding, had to at least have some confidence in his status with the organization: He bought a house in the Bay Area this year.

Neither Beane nor Geren wanted this to be about their friendship but rather strictly about business, though they believe that having an understanding and a trust certainly won't hurt.

Geren said his credentials should speak to his ability. Beane has long considered Geren managing material -- interviewing him last year when the club briefly parted ways with Macha before re-signing him about a week later.

Geren thought working as bench coach for a season benefited him because he could see what worked and what things he might have done differently in the top job.

"There were a lot of potential candidates and a lot of people deserving of the job," Street said. "Billy's going to do what's best for the organization. I really wasn't worried about who the manager would be. We trust Billy and his decision making. I think he made the right move.

"Bob is going to bring lot of positives to the table and a lot of baseball knowledge. He's been in the game for a long time and managed at a lot of levels. He's been in some big games as a manager."

Macha was fired after four seasons on Oct. 16, two days after Oakland was swept by the wild-card Detroit Tigers in the AL championship series. The A's won a playoff series for the first time since 1990, ending a string of four straight first-round exits from 2000-03.

Quirk played the final three of his 18 major league seasons for Oakland, and Beane had said any of the candidates would have been great hires for the small-market A's.

Beane took his time in the process and watched three candidates leave for managerial jobs elsewhere: Longtime A's third-base coach Ron Washington went to Texas, Angels pitching coach Bud Black became skipper in San Diego, and Mets third-base coach Manny Acta was hired this week as manager of the Washington Nationals.

Geren batted .233 in 307 major league games.

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SIGH :(

RoXer

11-17-2006, 01:29 AM

Geren batted .233 in 307 major league games.

Hey with those numbers maybe he can show the offense some POWER HITTING YEAAAAAAAAH

YOUR Hero

11-17-2006, 09:47 AM

There is talk about talking about instant replay in baseball.
Oh dear.

YOUR Hero

11-17-2006, 09:48 AM

Rumour has it that both Soriano and Lee (Carlos) have been given offers from the Astros.

ClockShot

11-17-2006, 02:41 PM

I heard driving home from work that Frank Thomas has officially signed with the Jays.

RoXer

11-17-2006, 02:56 PM

SIGH :(

Hanso Amore

11-17-2006, 04:55 PM

I like Thomas to the jays.

If lee or Soriano go to houston, they will really contend again this year.

Adder

11-17-2006, 05:39 PM

I wonder if that means Clemens will pitch again next year.

BCWWF

11-17-2006, 05:51 PM

Baseball is the one sport (maybe soccer) that should NEVER use instant replay.

FakeLaser

11-17-2006, 06:23 PM

"Mets signed infielder Damion Easley, who had been with the Diamondbacks, to a one-year, $850,000 contract."

Looks like they might go with a Valentin/Easley platoon rather than signing Adam Kennedy, as I predicted.

FakeLaser

11-17-2006, 06:47 PM

I just read a rumor on SI.com that the Yankees might consider using Scott Proctor as a starter. I'm not so sure how I feel about that. He's got a good fastball and enough pitches to be a starter (2 seam, 4 seam, slider, curve, change) but I just don't know if I can see him being a good starter.

Looking at his minor league stats, the last time he was a starting pitcher was in 2002 at AA.

7-9, 3.51, 131 K's in 133 IP, 1.47 WHIP.

Not bad, but not great. That was 4 years ago though and he has improved a lot since then (especially cutting down on walks).

Crippla

11-17-2006, 06:49 PM

I don't know if I'd like Proctor as a starter either. Doesn't sound right to me.

FakeLaser

11-17-2006, 06:54 PM

I wonder who will set up Mariano next year. Farnsworth makes big money but he was mediocre in the role. I think Brian Bruney will set up Rivera with Farnsworth taking Proctor's role, if Proctor moves out of the pen. I wonder if we'll resign Dotel.

ClockShot

11-17-2006, 08:33 PM

Another auction is up and running for a japanese pitcher. Named Kei Igawa.

Here's the details and stats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2666306

ClockShot

11-18-2006, 08:49 PM

A few tidbits today.

The Reds may be grabbing Alex Gonzalez for a three year $14 mil. deal.

Mets are taking a look at Moises Alou.

FakeLaser

11-19-2006, 03:20 AM

Following up:

According to The Associated Press, Moises Alou will get a one-year deal worth $8 million-$9 million from the Mets.

According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Reds and Alex Gonzalez have agreed to terms on a three-year, $14 million contract, pending a physical.

According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, a rival executive said the White Sox are about to trade Jon Garland.

Dodgers announced the retirement of third baseman Bill Mueller.

11-19-2006, 03:31 AM

You know, when Moises Alou is getting paid 9 million a year, theirs definetly a problem.

Evil Vito

11-19-2006, 11:44 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Big trade rumor.

Padres get: SS Miguel Tejada, LHP Oliver Perez, RHP Aaron Heilman

Orioles get: SS Khalil Greene, OF Lastings Milledge, 1B Michel Abreu

Mets get: RHP Jake Peavy, RHP Scott Linebrink

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It sounds good to me. Though I'm assuming the Mets only make the move if Alou is signed. Though I am concerned. Peavy had a pretty bad season. He's only 25, but maybe the Pads know something about his arm that other teams don't</font>

ct2k

11-19-2006, 12:05 PM

What about Bruney or Villone as set-up for Mariano?

BCWWF

11-19-2006, 12:16 PM

That trade is so big that I just can't believe it. Also, I don't know a lot about prospects, but unless Michael Abreu is a pretty good prospect, the Orioles kind of get hosed.

Dragon

11-19-2006, 12:45 PM

I dunno, don't really see that happening. Doesn't seem like something the Orioles would do, they apparently rejected Tejada for Oswalt before I think? Can't see them only wanting Greene and a couple prospects back.

FakeLaser

11-19-2006, 01:08 PM

I doubt that trade goes off. The Mets are losing all of their young talent. If they think Moises Alou is the answer in left field they're wrong. Alou is underrated, but he's a horrible fielder and coming off a few injury plagued seasons. He should be primarily a DH now.

The Mets aren't gaining that much. Heilman should be AT LEAST as good as Linebrink next season, is 2 years younger and can start. Peavy is a great pitcher, no doubt, but he's inconsistent, though he's only 25. Oliver Perez has the POTENTIAL to be as good as Peavy as he showed in 2004 (12 W, 2.98, 238 K's).

I'd definitely be a lot more comfortable with Peavy in the rotation, but I don't know if it's worth losing Milledge and Heilman, especially when Perez is the same age as Peavy and has ace potential too, though he's coming off 2 awful seasons.

I can't see the Orioles accepting that for Tejada either.

The Padres would be the real winner there. Tejada, Heilman and Perez? Shit. 2 young starters and arguably the best shortstop in baseball?

FakeLaser

11-19-2006, 01:26 PM

Some more news and rumors (Rotoworld):

"A source confirmed to the Baltimore Sun that the Orioles and Braves have had trade discussions involving Tim Hudson. The source said the Orioles want to hold on to Adam Loewen but discussed a package of prospects that included Hayden Penn. The Orioles would likely have to swallow Hudson's entire contract and give up another quality prospect or two (Nolan Reimold?) to land Hudson."

Hudson is definitely worth a gamble, considering the other arms out there.

"The Reds and Mike Stanton have reportedly agreed to terms on a two-year deal with a vesting option for a third year."

Wasn't too long ago that he was complete garbage.

"Free agent Joe Borowski said Boston is one of the teams expressing interest in him and that he'd like to play for the Red Sox."

lol, that should solve your closer-woes, Boston.

"According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Angels are set to sign Justin Speier to a four-year contract."

This could mean Scot Shields will be traded for a big bat.

ct2k

11-19-2006, 01:31 PM

Hmm, not sure on Hudson, I guess he's worth a gamble but it could be quite an expensive one if they're taking his whole contract on.

DaveWadding

11-19-2006, 04:39 PM

HOLY SHITTTTTT

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2668465

CHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=chn)' ownership is showing new manager Lou Piniella that they are serious about winning.
<TABLE class=tableheadFixWidth cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width=200 align=right><TBODY><TR class=stathead><TD class=whitelink colSpan=2>Alfonso Soriano (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6154)</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/6154.jpgLeft Field
Washington Nationals

Profile (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6154)</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD align=middle><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width=190 bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR class=stathead align=middle><TD align=middle colSpan=6>2006 SEASON STATISTICS</TD></TR><TR align=right><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">GM</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">HR</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">RBI</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">R</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">OBP</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">AVG</TD></TR><TR align=right bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">159</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">46</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">95</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">119</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">.351</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">.277</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Chicago radio station ESPN 1000 reported Sunday that the Cubs have agreed to an eight-year contract worth approximately $136 million with outfielder Alfonso Soriano (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6154).
The move would clearly mark the highlight in an already busy offseason for the Cubs, who have signed free-agent infielder Mark DeRosa (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6094) and have re-signed third baseman Aramis Ramirez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6014) and righthander Kerry Wood (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5982).
But the biggest prize is Soriano, who is coming off an outstanding all-around season for the Washington Nationals (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=was) in which he hit .277 with 46 home runs and 95 RBI. The 30-year-old ranked third in the National League in homers and also stole 41 bases -- the sixth-highest total in the circuit.
After complaining in spring training about having to move from second base to left field, Soriano blossomed in his new surroundings. He led the league with 22 outfield assists, six more than his closest competitor, and displayed respectable range for a converted infielder.
Soriano became the first player in baseball history with 40 home runs, 40 stolen bases and 20 outfield assists in a single season. He also became the first member of the 40-40-40 club, which encapsulates homers, stolen bases and doubles.
An All-Star in each of the last five years, Soriano owns a .280 average with 208 home runs and 560 RBI in eight seasons with the New York Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy), Texas Rangers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=tex) and the Nationals.
Soriano finished third in the AL Rookie of the Year balloting with the Yankees in 2001, when he hit .268 with 18 homers and 73 RBI. He finished third in MVP voting the following season, when he increased his average to .300 and collected 39 homers and 102 RBI.

McLegend

11-19-2006, 04:55 PM

Fuck

Evil Vito

11-19-2006, 04:58 PM

<font color=goldenrod>8 years</font> :|

ClockShot

11-19-2006, 06:41 PM

With the money they've been shelling out. They better be going to the series. Too bad he didn't end up with the Yanks at 2nd.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-19-2006, 07:58 PM

I thought baseball learned from the mistakes of the past by giving people 100+ dollar contracts with a ridiculous amount of years

Hanso Amore

11-19-2006, 08:08 PM

I thought baseball learned from the mistakes of the past by giving people 100+ dollar contracts with a ridiculous amount of years

There is good and bad to that.

Good - Locking up great yougn talent so you keep them through their best years (Alex Rodriguez (regardless of trades)

Bad - Locking up aging players during their declining years (Mo Vaughn, Jason Giambi.)

ClockShot

11-19-2006, 08:15 PM

I think Giambi still got it in my opinion. This past season was pretty good to him.

11-20-2006, 12:23 AM

CUBBIES!:love:

Plus they resigned Ramirez and Lee will be healthy next year. I think i'm gunna try to hit atleast 5 games this upcoming season. Go CUBBIES!

11-20-2006, 12:26 AM

Zambrano will be filthy next year. He's always filthy, but after this year you just get the feeling, with some extra bats in the lineup, he will be straight up dealing that filthy stuff to every team. I can see Zambrano winning 20 games easily next season with the lineup the Cubs have now. Arguably and potentially the best lineup in the National league next year.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-20-2006, 12:28 AM

Yeah but that good can very easily become a bad when the player becomes unhappy/loses favor of the organization. Makes them nearly impossible to move

11-20-2006, 12:36 AM

What are you talking about?

11-20-2006, 12:37 AM

nm i see

FakeLaser

11-20-2006, 02:35 AM

Wow, 8 years.

BCWWF

11-20-2006, 04:41 AM

Beltran is another play who's big contract seems to be a success so far.

Hanso Amore

11-20-2006, 06:56 AM

I think Giambi still got it in my opinion. This past season was pretty good to him.

No doubt about that. I think Giambi has been great for the yanks since he got there.

He was slowed by injury and a major sickness that sidelined him. Even with the injuries and sterioid alegations he has been a great leader and player for the yanks.

That being said, He was paid near record amounts of money, and even though he has been good, he has not lived to that hige contract.

I will say that maybe I shouldn't have used Giambino as an example, as there are far worse examples.

One reason why the NFL is the top league in the country....No guanteed Contracts. Outside of the signing bonus, they have to fight to keep on a team and keep the money going.

The MLB and NBA, players can get their money at a hige overprice, then downshift and ride it out.

ct2k

11-20-2006, 07:12 AM

Adrian Beltre anyone

Adder

11-20-2006, 01:46 PM

Soriano has had more than one really good season, so it's not a fair comparison to him and Beltre

Adder

11-20-2006, 01:47 PM

So much for Houston picking up Soriano and Lee, I do imagine however they'll ensure they get Carlos Lee signed.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-20-2006, 02:10 PM

Wow Howard won the MVP, figured it was gonna be Pujols

ClockShot

11-20-2006, 02:53 PM

Rangers pick up Frank Catalanotto for 3 years, 13 mil.

Gertner

11-20-2006, 04:16 PM

Rangers pick up Frank Catalanotto for 3 years, 13 mil.

bye Frank and Speier:(

ct2k

11-20-2006, 05:47 PM

Soriano has had more than one really good season, so it's not a fair comparison to him and Beltre

I wasn't comparing I was just giving him as the obvious example after what MatthewAlanHanso said regarding MLB/NBA players essentially being able to up their game for a season to get the money and then spend half a lifetime being average

FakeLaser

11-20-2006, 06:56 PM

I have a feeling we're signing Shea Hillenbrand.

FakeLaser

11-20-2006, 07:16 PM

Some more signings:

ESPN.com is reporting that the Dodgers and outfielder Juan Pierre have agreed to a five-year, $45 million contract.

Mets signed outfielder Moises Alou, who had been with the Giants, to a one-year, $7.5 million contract with a club option for 2008.

Dodgers re-signed first baseman Nomar Garciaparra to a two-year contract.
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Juan Pierre is a nice improvement over Kenny Lofton, even though Pierre is overrated as hell.

At first I thought Alou was a bad idea for the Mets but he's still a good hitter and if he goes down Endy Chavez should hold it down alright.

YOUR Hero

11-20-2006, 07:54 PM

The Cat was a good player for the Jays, but now is the time to move on from him or give him a fulltime job. Reed Johnson looks like he *should* be able to be the everyday left fielder. So that really does move Frank out. Anyway, best of luck to him.

FakeLaser

11-20-2006, 08:01 PM

Frank Catalanotto is gonna be the steal of the offseason, I'm telling you.

Dragon

11-20-2006, 08:10 PM

Wow, that Juan Pierre deal is awful. You know the market is crazy when he gets a 5-year deal for that much. There's a lot of signings happening real quick this year.

DaveWadding

11-20-2006, 08:23 PM

I love JP, but the Dodgers are dumb as fuck.

Joey Slugs

11-20-2006, 08:29 PM

Local reports are saying that the Cubs are in serious talks with the Marlins (for D-Train).

Fuck.

If that is at all serious....

DaveWadding

11-20-2006, 08:48 PM

:naughty:

Even though I know they'll never get him.

YOUR Hero

11-20-2006, 08:54 PM

Frank Catalanotto is gonna be the steal of the offseason, I'm telling you.

If he can get full time play, you bet.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-20-2006, 09:28 PM

Wow, that Juan Pierre deal is awful. You know the market is crazy when he gets a 5-year deal for that much. There's a lot of signings happening real quick this year.
I heard somewhere teams where gonna have a lot more money to spend this year in those previous so I'm not really surprised. Gonna be a lot of regrets down the line

BCWWF

11-21-2006, 02:22 AM

He was on Texas before, why did they ever let him go? He almost won the batting title a few years back.

YOUR Hero

11-21-2006, 09:56 AM

Pierre has no power, but I don't understand why teams wouldn't fall over themselves for a guy with his abilities. If he ever got his OBP higher, he'd be such an sparkplug.

ct2k

11-21-2006, 10:44 AM

Yeah Pierre is the man

ct2k

11-21-2006, 10:47 AM

I have a feeling we're signing Shea Hillenbrand.

lol, care to expand on that?

Hanso Amore

11-21-2006, 11:00 AM

He plays high uality D, steals more bases than anyone in the NL, lead the NL in hits.

He is the premiere lead off hitter in the league. He just needs protection to get his OBP higher, something he gets with Nomar hitting number 2.

Joey Slugs

11-21-2006, 02:03 PM

Congrats to Justin Morneau, 2006 AL MVP.

ct2k

11-21-2006, 02:29 PM

Morneau is pure fuckin gold he deserves it:y:

ct2k

11-21-2006, 02:34 PM

*god I hope no-one remembers me pushing Jeter for mvp*

Joey Slugs

11-21-2006, 02:58 PM

*god I hope no-one remembers me pushing Jeter for mvp*

:shifty:

Evil Vito

11-21-2006, 03:09 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Holy shit, I definately didn't see that coming.

Congrats Justin.</font> :y:

BCWWF

11-21-2006, 04:50 PM

Wow, that is incredible. I thought Jeter had it at the end of the season, but I think the way both teams ended the season worked more against Jeter than Morneau.

FakeLaser

11-21-2006, 05:17 PM

Wow, definitely did not expect Morneau to be the MVP.

YOUR Hero

11-21-2006, 08:07 PM

Morneau, like I predicted.... I think. :o

YOUR Hero

11-21-2006, 08:10 PM

Yep...

I gave my vote to the Canadian, EH. I'm actually a fan of Jeter, but I don't think, in that line up, he'd be missed like an Ortiz would be or a Morneau or a Big Hurt. Know what I mean?

Me and AlphaBean were the only ones to vote for him.

AlphaBean

11-22-2006, 01:11 AM

Hahahaa and yet, AlphaBean was wicked surprised to find out he won. Never in my wildest dreams.

SHIT YEAH BABY. Two top awards went to Twins. And the batting title, which if you count it, makes it three. OMFG.

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It makes me wish we hadn't been SWEPT IN THE FIRST GODDAMN ROUND. But whatever. I'm happy for the individuals. And especially happy the Tigers, White Sox, A's, Yankees didn't win it.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-22-2006, 01:17 AM

Wait what? You post on TPWW about baseball and don't hate the Red Sox? Weird

AlphaBean

11-22-2006, 01:37 AM

Papi, son, how can anyone hate Papi?

I can't believe we let him go. Not athletic, can't play any positions, overweight, injury prone, strikes out too much, wants too much money.

Fuck you, Twins from 5 years ago.

BCWWF

11-22-2006, 02:16 AM

Anybody who thinks that Morneau was less valuable to the Twins than Mauer is an idiot. On Around the Horn today, Woody Paige said Morneau is the third most valuable person on his team.

In the TPWW AL MVP thread, I voted for Santana, but obviously pitchers are not considered in the real MVP race. Therefore, why should Morneau be hurt by that? Then Mauer, who had a great season, was nothing like Morneau. He won the batting title, but was not strong in the second half, didn't hit for power nor RBIs. I just think that is a bullshit reason, and it is sad that ESPN even uses it, because it is really just ignorant.

Based on stats alone, Morneau blew Jeter out of the water. For an ESPN analyst to not realize Morneau's numbers or his addition to the Twins division title this year is just sad. I am just glad that he won, because he definitely deserved it more than Jeter or Ortiz. Twins could have legitimately had a chance to win all four major awards had Liriano not been injured: MOY, ROY, MVP, CY.

AlphaBean

11-22-2006, 02:27 AM

MOY? Manager?

Gardy shouldn't get it. :P

Also, shit yes, add Liriano into the mix and we would, and will be unstoppable.

Gertner

11-22-2006, 09:13 AM

Frank Catalanotto is gonna be the steal of the offseason, I'm telling you.

i wish the jays had room for him. one of the most consistant hitters in the MLB

BCWWF

11-22-2006, 10:38 AM

Oh come on, Gardy took a team flat on their backs and won the division. He must have been No. 2 in the voting.

AlphaBean

11-22-2006, 12:49 PM

He took a team that was on its way to being elite under TK, rode it into the ground, then because we have a handful of extremely talented players, won the division.

ct2k

11-22-2006, 01:58 PM

Liriano may never be the same again after all his problems are all sorted out:-\

DaveWadding

11-22-2006, 02:31 PM

He is the premiere lead off hitter in the league. He just needs protection to get his OBP higher, something he gets with Nomar hitting number 2.

You mean Nomar is going to teach him to work the count and take a fucking walk?

Also...
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2672448

Report: Matthews, Angels agree to 5-year, $50M deal

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-TOP: 10px" vAlign=top>Gary Matthews Jr. is staying in the AL West, but not with the Texas Rangers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=tex).
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Texas Rangers

Profile (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6241)</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD align=middle><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width=190 bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR class=stathead align=middle><TD align=middle colSpan=6>2006 SEASON STATISTICS</TD></TR><TR align=right><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">GM</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">HR</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">RBI</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">R</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">OBP</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">AVG</TD></TR><TR align=right bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">147</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">19</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">79</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">102</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">.371</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">.313</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
According to a report in the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday, the free-agent center fielder agreed to a five-year, $50 million deal with the Angels.
"The bottom line is everybody's pleased with the deal," Matthews' agent, Scott Leventhal, told the Times. "The fact that Gary has Los Angeles roots, to be able to play for the Angels is an absolute dream come true. He couldn't be happier."
Matthews -- who hit .313 with 19 homers, 79 RBI, 102 runs and 44 doubles and had a .371 on-base percentage last season -- made his decision after a lunch meeting Tuesday with Angels manager Mike Scioscia and GM Bill Stoneman, according to the Times.
"The opportunity to be home and to play for a winning team would be very, very attractive to me," Matthews told the Times on Tuesday. "Being a California guy, to see where the organization came from--a few years ago they weren't drawing well, and now they pack the house every night. The fans really get into it, and it's great to be in that atmosphere."
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Somewhere, The Miz is laughing.

AlphaBean

11-22-2006, 02:31 PM

But he might also be the same. He got traded to us for cheap because he had a bum arm... he has the whole offseason to take care of it. He was unstoppable as a rookie. I think if he rehabs fully he'll be fine.

BCWWF

11-22-2006, 02:35 PM

He took a team that was on its way to being elite under TK, rode it into the ground, then because we have a handful of extremely talented players, won the division.

Or he took a team of average nobodys that had won nothing, took them to the playoffs three years in a row, completely rehauled the team, and has perfectly developed Mauer, Morneau, Santana, Liriano, Bartlett and Nathan. The only players on this team that played under Tom Kelly were Torii Hunter and Brad Radke, FYI, and 2006 was Hunter's best season in the majors.

The Twins were supposed to be another year away from being a contender again, and were showing it. Then, by holding back on Liriano, Punto and Bartlett, Gardy put those guys in a position to be great, and the team had the best second half in baseball, a 23-year old batting champ, a 25-year old MVP that was apparently being considered in a trade straight up for Corey Koskie preseason (bullshit, but that is how high some people in the media regarded him).

Don't give me any bullshit about Mauer, Morneau and Liriano being talented. There are plenty of talented players in baseball that are called up too early, can't produce fully, and never fully develop. Look at Rocco Baldelli, AJ Burnett, Jeff Weaver, Zach Grienke, fuck, the whole Kansas City Royals team. The people who think Gardenhire was stupid for starting Bartlett in the minors and Liriano in the pen are absolute idiots.

This isn't an argument saying that Gardy had better credentials than Leyland this year, because he took a less talented team than the Twins to the World Series, but what Gardy did with all of these young players and his management of when they were ready was amazing. It is bullshit to claim that Tom Kelly had anything to do with the success of this team.

BCWWF

11-22-2006, 02:49 PM

He took a team that was on its way to being elite under TK, rode it into the ground...

I didn't pick up on this the first time through. How about we take a look at this supposively "elite" team.

Where are they now?
Doug Mientkiewicz: Backup first baseman on the Royals
Luis Rivas: Devil Rays farm system
Cristian Guzman: Batted >200 and is out of the league
Corey Koskie: Starting third baseman for the Brewers
AJ Pierzynski: Starting catcher for the White Sox
Matt Lawton: Steroids, either on the Pirates or out of the league
Torii Hunter: Still on Twins, had career year batting in 2006
Jacque Jones: Starting right fielder on the Cubs
David Ortiz: (Although you could hardly say he was on this team due to injuries) DH and MVP candidate for Red Sox
Eric Milton: Third starter on the Reds
Joe Mays: Cut from the Royals
Brad Radke: Retired after 2006
Kyle Lohse: Reds starting pitcher
Eddie Guardado: Reds bullpen
LaTroy Hawkins: Orioles bullpen
Rest of bullpen: Out of league

Totals:
5 - Number of 2002 Twins that are still starting for a team
3 - Number of 2002 Twins who started for winning teams (one being Torii Hunter)
1 - 2002 player who was in the 2006 playoffs (Torii Hunter)
3 - Number of 2002 starters who are now out of the league because they were not good enough
3 - Number of division titles that these players won with Gardenhire
1 - Number of appearances these players made in the ALCS
0 - Playoff appearances under Tom Kelly (still developing, yes, but it's not like Gardy was taking over the Yankees)

The 2002-04 Twins were hardly an extremely talented team. There was good pitching, but the offense had no power hitters or even great average hitters. The lineup I posted above would have a losing record this year. The reason they were good is because they had good chemistry, which goes on to show you why most of them have been completely average outside of the Twins, and why Terry Ryan is consistantly among the top two GM's in the league.

AlphaBean

11-22-2006, 03:00 PM

Tom Kelly was the architect of the team that won the Central for like 3-4 years in a row. Each year under Gardy they got worse, but the Central got worse, too. Then, finally, they couldn't make it. This year, they made it until the playoffs, when everyone quit. I was at Game 2. Every at-bat was a Twin trying to hit a home run. Where was the game management? It was embarrassing. Regular season means nothing when what happened to us, happened.

The fact is, the roster is being managed properly and it's not exactly Gardy's position. That falls on Ryan's shoulders, and he's the one who traded away an all-star in AJ to get Liriano and Nathan, because we had Mauer. When we make trades like that, our roster gets stacked, and it's easy to "bring people along slowly." If you have no depth, you'll be forced to make a guy like Boof Bonser or Garza come in earlier than he should have... or Liriano, with his arm of putty... we had no pitching so we couldn't exactly "let people develop," as you say. I think Gardy got lucky. The team tried hard at the end of the season. But in baseball, coaching is overrated, and we'll see how the Twinks do next year.

FakeLaser

11-22-2006, 05:06 PM

Matthews had one good season and now he's worth 10 million a year. He'll play solid defense but who knows what he'll do with the bat now that he's out of Arlington.

FakeLaser

11-22-2006, 06:52 PM

God, I seriously can't get over how bad the Matthews Jr. signing is. 10 million a year for 5 years for a 32 year old journeyman with the following career numbers:
.263 BA, 78 HR, 315 RBI, 64 SB, .336 OBP, .419 SLG

That's over 8 seasons.

At least Juan Pierre has a pretty good track record. If Pierre can get his OBP up (just needs to walk more often, he doesn't K much), he'll be fine.

BCWWF

11-22-2006, 07:27 PM

YOUR Hero

11-22-2006, 08:07 PM

YOUR Hero

11-22-2006, 08:16 PM

Does anybody here, besides me, hope JD Drew overplays his hand and can't get signed for the money he thinks he's worth? Now I'm all for guys getting sweetheart deals, I mean baseball is ridiculous and the owners deserve this predicament, but Drew rubs me the wrong way. Ever since he refused to sign with the Phillies and the way he carries himself... he just bugs me.

YOUR Hero

11-22-2006, 08:17 PM

I love JP, but the Dodgers are dumb as fuck.

considering what players are signing for, Pierre looks like a steal.

ClockShot

11-22-2006, 08:34 PM

Is anyone signed up to be an insider at espn.com? I was checking their rumor page and Roger Clemens' name came up. Among a few others.

OssMan

11-22-2006, 09:27 PM

hahaha I went to JD Drew's first game in Philadelphia ever. I was like 8 and he was with the Cardinals, everyone had JD Boo signs and were throwing batteries at him.

BCWWF

11-23-2006, 02:00 AM

Not sure, but I think JD Drew might have played for the St. Paul Saints, an independent team here, when he didn't want to sign with whoever drafted him. Not positive though.

BCWWF

11-23-2006, 02:09 AM

Just looked it up on Wikipedia, among the notable players to play for them: JD Drew, Darryl Strawberry, Kevin Millar, Jack Morris and Bull Durham. Really random, I never knew the Kevin Millar one.

ct2k

11-23-2006, 04:10 AM

Jesus how the HELL is Gary Mathews Jr gettig 10mil a year?:eek:

YOUR Hero

11-23-2006, 10:01 AM

like I said, he made a nice catch last year.

BCWWF

11-23-2006, 01:45 PM

I think Torii Hunter is making 10 mil a year and he is not much better. I still think Torii is the gold standard for defensive outfielders, but his contract is a bit extreme.

ct2k

11-23-2006, 02:15 PM

I don't think there is a team out there that would take GMJ over Hunter if they had the choice of either on the same salary

BCWWF

11-23-2006, 02:39 PM

Isn't GMJ 31 or something too?

ct2k

11-23-2006, 02:41 PM

32 according to an earlier post I think

AlphaBean

11-23-2006, 05:01 PM

I simply think that you are giving too much credit to the winning teams of 2002-04. Outside of four or five players, they were team's full of role players that were able to play great together. What happened was pretty simple, they had good seasons with the Twins, got too expensive, and now most of them are out of the league or in role playing roles for non-contending teams.

The team in 2006 was actually talented, Mauer was the first overall pick and Cuddyer and Morneau were both top prospects in the league at one point. Castillo is a veteran and better hitter than any Twins infielder from 2002-2004. Then Nathan, Santana, Liriano are among the top pitchers in the league, while Radke and the bullpen are all great as well. They came together and won faster than expected.

As for 2005, I would hardly call that running a team into the ground (even though you were clearly being sarcastic to an extent). First of all, the team finished above 500, second of all one of the team's that finished ahead of them won the World Series. With all of the young players on that team, that was not a bad season.

A lot of Minnesotans dislike Gardy, really I can't understand it. I mean maybe after Rivas and Guzman never really improved, and then the disappointing finish to 2005, but I think 2006 showed that he is not a bad manager.

You just made my argument for me.

Tom Kelly had a team full of role players, he coached the shit out of players like Mientkewicz(who hated Kelly yet without Kelly Doug would be in the minor leagues still), Guzy, AJ, etc. He coached up shitty players, who we then traded for better players. Do you see what I'm saying? You're trying to get all specific on me, showing me where they are now, but you don't realize that your logic is backwards?

Tom Kelly won with a worse team. Gardy now has a better team, that was built by Tom Kelly. You think, nah, TK's players aren't here -- oh, but they are. The team became competitive, it was exciting. The players gained notoriety. Players that were awesome here became headcases and losers elsewhere. We traded Knoblauch I think for Milton, Guzman, uh wasn't Johan part of that trade? I don't remember, I just know the Knoblauch trade gave us a lot of talent, then Knobby went nuts. We built up those players, and some of them, like AJ, resulted in a lot of talent coming our way. Nathan is mentioned with the top closers in the majors. AJ got cut after we traded him. Liriano, if his arm improves, will be a stud.

What I said from the start is, you can't say that Gardy is a good coach because he had one good season. He has the fucking Cy Young and MVP. When was the last Minnesota MVP? Was there ever? The last Cy Young winner in MN was Jack Morris in 88. We had the best hitter in baseball, first time I think since Puckett. Just because players from the TK era aren't here, doesn't mean that the team wasn't built by him. But where it matters -- game management, and defense, our team has shit itself under Gardy.

Remember, also: Under TK, the Twins weren't allowed to spend any money. They have loosened up the last three years. That's why Shannon Stewart is still here, and all of our best players; if they were here 5 years ago, they'd be gone. Probably traded for prospects, prospects who will come into maturity oh, I don't know, about right now?

My brother just raised a very good point: How many playoff wins does Gardenhire have?

We won executive of the year, MVP, batting champ and Cy Young, yet got swept. What's missing? Look on startribune.com today, in the sports section. Patrick Reusse discusses the missing piece to a World Series this year: The guy who doesn't know how to coach postseason baseball.

Joey Slugs

11-23-2006, 08:24 PM

BTW: AJ didn't get cut after you traded him. He played 1 year in SF before signing as a free agent with us.

And Tom Kelly was the fucking man.

BCWWF

11-24-2006, 12:20 AM

None of these players won until Gardenhire was the manager, that is the flaw of your whole argument.

As for Knoblauch, he was a key member of the Yankees teams that won like three World Series' before he officially went nuts, so that is misleading. I think the trade brough Milton, Guzman and one other solid player though.

Not trying to be a dick, but reading your post, it almost seems like you don't know that Gardenhire was the manager beginning in 2002. You gave TK credit for winning the division three years in a row, when the Twins had not won before that for 10 years.

Basically, no Twins player coached by Kelly reached their full potential until Gardy took over. You can blame that some on maturity, but I think there is a lot more than that.

This isn't me being against TK, it is just me saying that Gardy needs a little more respect than he is getting. I was shocked when people suggested firing him midway through this season. Fire Kevin McHale, fire Glen Mason, fire Dan Monson, fire Brad Childress before Gardenhire. C'mon.

DaveWadding

11-24-2006, 03:01 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2674398

Source: Astros sign Lee to six-year, $100M deal

ESPN.com news services





<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-TOP: 10px" vAlign=top>Carlos Lee (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6161) is staying in Texas, but not with the Rangers.
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Texas Rangers

Profile (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6161)</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD align=middle><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width=190 bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR class=stathead align=middle><TD align=middle colSpan=6>2006 SEASON STATISTICS</TD></TR><TR align=right><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">GM</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">HR</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">RBI</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">R</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">OBP</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #bcbcb4" width="17%">AVG</TD></TR><TR align=right bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">161</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">37</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">116</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">102</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">.355</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND: #999999">.300</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
A source told ESPN's Jayson Stark that the Houston Astros (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=hou) were set to announce Friday afternoon that they have signed the free-agent slugger to a six-year, $100 million deal. The only significant non-monetary clause in the contract is that Lee will have a complete no-trade clause for the first four years of the contract and a limited no-trade for the final two years.
The Astros were one of several teams bidding for Lee, joining the Philadelphia Phillies (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=phi), who failed to land Alfonso Soriano (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6154); Baltimore Orioles (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=bal), who Stark previously reported had made serious overtures to Lee; and San Francisco Giants (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=sfo).
"We're in the mix, definitely," Orioles vice president Jim Duquette said Tuesday.
Lee batted .300 with 37 homers, 116 RBI and 19 steals with Texas and Milwaukee this year.
"He's a nice-looking player, someone who would definitely draw some interest," Phillies GM Pat Gillick said Monday, adding he has spoken to Lee's representatives.
Lee earned $8.5 million last season. Soriano's deal with the Chicago Cubs (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=chn), which averages $17 million per year.
The 30-year-old outfielder has averaged 33 homers and 111 RBI over the last four seasons. He's also been durable, having played at least 150 games in six of his eight seasons in the majors.
Lee is listed at 6-foot-2 and 240 pounds and there have been questions about him being out of shape, but Gillick said his size isn't a concern.
"Lee is a heck of an athlete," Gillick said.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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ClockShot

11-24-2006, 07:08 PM

Yowza.

All this money being thrown around this year.

Maybe the 'stros got a shot this year.

dablackguy

11-24-2006, 07:26 PM

The Astros have no chance this year, yeah they got Berkman, Lee, Biggio, etc. But you just lost Clemens and Pettite and if neither one of them re-signs, that's a lot of wins to replace.

And all that is assuming Lidge can get his shit together

Evil Vito

11-24-2006, 07:35 PM

DaveWadding

11-25-2006, 06:02 PM

Diamondbacks acquired LHP Doug Davis, LHP Dana Eveland and OF Dave Krynzel from the Brewers for C Johnny Estrada, RHP Claudio Vargas and RHP Greg Aquino.

This one's a head scratcher for sure.

Hanso Amore

11-25-2006, 06:23 PM

Diamondbacks acquired LHP Doug Davis, LHP Dana Eveland and OF Dave Krynzel from the Brewers for C Johnny Estrada, RHP Claudio Vargas and RHP Greg Aquino.

This one's a head scratcher for sure.

Does nothing for either team

Estrada has really fallen off.

I thought for sure he would be the NLs elite catcher by now. But he lost it the last 3 years.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-26-2006, 04:13 PM

Carlos Lee got 100 mil? Matthews got 50 mil? What the fuck is going on

RoXer

11-26-2006, 09:37 PM

Estrada was very effective behind the plate this year. Now they have...no one.

FakeLaser

11-27-2006, 12:35 AM

The Orioles and Danys Baez have reportedly agreed to terms on a three-year deal worth $5 million-$6 million per season.

http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif
According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, the Dodgers have emerged as the favorites to sign Randy Wolf.

The Giants and David Roberts are still hammering out the final details of a three-year deal worth $5 million-$6 million per year.

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The Giants may wait until after the Dec. 1 arbitration deadline to ink Rich Aurilia, who is expected to get a two- or a three-year deal.

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The Giants are talking to free agent Gregg Zaun as a possible replacement for Mike Matheny.

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Rangers officials recently flew into Arizona to meet with Mark Mulder's agents.
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Baez has the potential to be a pretty good setup man for Chris Ray.

At least the Giants are finally doing something, though I don't think Dave Roberts and Rich Aurilla are going to save them from being one of the worst teams in baseball next year.

OssMan

11-27-2006, 04:43 PM

Does David Roberts = Dave Roberts?

MVP

11-27-2006, 05:02 PM

Rumor has it the Red Sox are about to sign J.D. Drew

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-27-2006, 05:03 PM

Dave Roberts still has the greatest steal in the history of post season baseball

YOUR Hero

11-27-2006, 06:08 PM

He's in his 40's (Roberts), god bless him, but I'm stunned that I guy that's been nothing more than a platoon player for so much of his career is about to sign a multi year deal worth as much as 5 or 6 million a season.

YOUR Hero

11-27-2006, 06:09 PM

I really want to like the RedSox, I like Manny and I like Pappi, but there are guys on that team I don't like, adding J.D. Drew to the mix, will put them over the top as a team I cannot like. They aren't helping their case in my eyes.

BCWWF

11-27-2006, 07:28 PM

Adding J.D. Drew isn't going to help them beat the Yankees either. Why would anybody invest in a player who is not only injury prone, but then he has a good year and then opts out on the team that took a chance on him to begin with.

CNM

11-27-2006, 08:21 PM

Dragon

11-27-2006, 08:27 PM

Yeah, kind of happy Drew is being targeted by the Red Sox. I really don't see him having a huge impact, but he will lock up quite a bit of money for them.

Dragon

11-27-2006, 08:28 PM

BTW, why are the Sox looking for a right fielder when they have Wily Mo Pena? Everything I've heard before the season ended was that he was gonna take over for Trot(man) Nixon.

FakeLaser

11-27-2006, 08:51 PM

JD Drew is garbage. I'd take my chances with Pena.

YOUR Hero

11-27-2006, 09:58 PM

Haha, Roberts isn't in his 40's. He's 34.

I was sure he was. WTF? Well that changes things a little bit. I really thought he was like 40-41.

YOUR Hero

11-27-2006, 10:23 PM

He's never has 500 ABs in a season (Roberts) ONly 3 times has he had more than 400, he has 21 career HRs and has a career .270 batting avg. If that now equals 5 million a season, WOW.

DaveWadding

11-28-2006, 12:55 AM

He's never has 500 ABs in a season (Roberts) ONly 3 times has he had more than 400, he has 21 career HRs and has a career .270 batting avg. If that now equals 5 million a season, WOW.

Yeah well, Juan Pierre isnt that much better statistically and he got double that.

Also,

Dodgers sign Randy Wolf for 1 yr/8 mil

and

Phillies sign Adam Eaton for 3 yrs/24 mil

YOUR Hero

11-28-2006, 10:15 AM

Pierre has been basically the hits leader in many of his MLB seasons in the NL. He's avg. more than 200 a year in the last 3 (off the top of my head, maybe more) and he also plays in every game, he has in the last 3 season that I remember for sure. He like Roberts won't hit HRs but Pierre is stages ahead of Roberts. I will say, he needs to steal more bases and be thrown pout alot less than he currently is to really become an elite players on the base paths. Roberts too gets thrown out way too much (if I hadn't mentioned that earlier)

YOUR Hero

11-28-2006, 10:16 AM

YOUR Hero

11-28-2006, 10:16 AM

^ career 300+ batting avg. too

RoXer

11-28-2006, 01:03 PM

Randy Wolf will dominate next year.

ct2k

11-28-2006, 01:16 PM

Gustavo Chacin will dominate next year.

Evil Vito

11-28-2006, 01:41 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Chad Bradford to sign with the Orioles :mad:

They are also adding Scott Williamson......so they've added 4 relievers to their shit bullpen (Bradford, Williamson, Walker, Baez)

If the Mets don't get a Zito or Schmidt I'd say their 2007 chances are gone</font>

ct2k

11-28-2006, 03:32 PM

Scott Williamson's a pretty solid addition

As far as Zito goes, has there been any mumbling about that yet?

MVP

11-28-2006, 03:49 PM

I'm sure Scott Boras is holding off as long as possible to get the highest contract for Zito.

YOUR Hero

11-28-2006, 04:17 PM

What I'm reading is if JD is signed by the RedSox, they're going to move Manny. The RedSox would be fielding an outfield of Pena(L) Crisp(C) Drew(R)

ct2k

11-28-2006, 04:19 PM

Oh right moving in JD Drew for Manny Ramirez eh makes sense if you're a fucking CLIT

ct2k

11-28-2006, 04:20 PM

And in tomorrow's news, Boston trades David Ortiz for Matt Stairs and a hot-dog cart

RoXer

11-28-2006, 04:29 PM

Good move. Hot-dog cart has very good clutch factor. I'd be afraid of that lineup with him and Ortiz in the 9th inning.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-28-2006, 04:39 PM

ct2k, do you think they are going to trade Manny for JD Drew? (Who they are signing as a free agent.....)

I am sure they will getting something for Ramirez

ct2k

11-28-2006, 04:41 PM

Yeah I know they won't trade them but yknow, I felt like mentioning Matt Stairs

Evil Vito

11-28-2006, 04:44 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Cardinals sign Adam Kennedy - 3 years, $10 mil. Plus Kip Wells, Gary Bennett, and Eli Marrero.</font>

Joey Slugs

11-28-2006, 05:27 PM

Cubs are said to be offering Jason Schmidt about $45 million for 3 years.

ct2k

11-28-2006, 05:51 PM

:-\

FakeLaser

11-28-2006, 05:56 PM

I think we're looking at Ted Lilly and Shea Hillenbrand as our offseason additions. Serviceable. Lilly has a lot of potential, he just can never seem to put it all together. New York probably isn't the place for him to do it but even if he sucks as bad as some of our past pitchers we can still win, as we have every other year.

Not sure who's gonna be our backup catcher now that Gregg Zaun is off the market.

Dragon

11-28-2006, 06:13 PM

Reports that the Yankees might have won the bid for Japanese pitcher Kei Igawa.

Pretty disappointed in this if its true, most reports are saying he will be the biggest bust of the offseason. He supposedly doesn't throw hard at all and is expected to be knocked around in the AL. Hopefully he'll surprise people but who knows.

FakeLaser

11-28-2006, 06:18 PM

I don't know, he might be ok. Japanese pitchers are always a crapshoot. He's no more risky than Ted Lilly or Gil Mesche. At least we know this Igawa guy has put up good numbers in a professional setting. Lilly, Mesche and all the others on the market have always been mediocre (with the exception of Zito and Schmidt, of course, but we aren't targeting them). I'd say he's worth a shot.

FakeLaser

11-28-2006, 06:22 PM

Just heard the bid was about 25 million. Kind of crazy that it's a bargain compared to Matsuzaka at this point.

YOUR Hero

11-28-2006, 06:51 PM

Manny would veto any trade not to a team of his liking, so it makes me think about Anaheim again, theres a team full of pitching, so if Boston does sign JD, I wouldn't be surprised to see Manny as an Angel.

Dragon

11-28-2006, 07:26 PM

I dunno though, Matsuzaka has a lot more potential and a high ceiling though. Igawa is projected as a #5. Granted, anything can happen when trying to translate pitching in Japan into pitching over here.

Joey Slugs

11-28-2006, 09:11 PM

LA Times and the Chicago Sun Times are reporting that there is a deal on the table between the White Sox and the Angels that could be done soon.

White Sox get:
OF/3B Chone Figgins
RHP Ervin Santana

Angels get:
3B Joe Crede
RHP Freddy Garcia

BCWWF

11-28-2006, 09:37 PM

Eh. Doesn't do much for me.

MVP

11-28-2006, 10:02 PM

So Chicago gets a shitty outfielder and a decent pitcher, and LA gets a decent third baseman and a shitty pitcher.

Yeah, doesn't do much for me either.

Joey Slugs

11-28-2006, 10:57 PM

Gertner

11-28-2006, 11:20 PM

jays sign gregg zaun 2 year 7 mill

Not too sure how i feel about this

abd btw ct2k, Chacin and Blanton both started the same aount of games in the playoffs

BCWWF

11-29-2006, 12:28 AM

Crede is the man, agreed that he is one of the top defensive third basemen in the league, and he is a very solid hitter too.

Joey Slugs

11-29-2006, 12:33 AM

Crede is the man, agreed that he is one of the top defensive third basemen in the league, and he is a very solid hitter too.

:y:

RoXer

11-29-2006, 12:51 AM

CHONE!!! :(

WHO WILL I HATE NOW?!!

BCWWF

11-29-2006, 01:52 AM

Speaking of which, where is The Miz?

FakeLaser

11-29-2006, 01:52 AM

Chillin with da_king somewhere.

ct2k

11-29-2006, 06:18 AM

YOUR Hero

11-29-2006, 09:59 AM

Obviously the WSOX feel Santana is better than Garcia. They would conceivably get more years out of him and he still has untapped potential. Garcia has sort of peaked, is older. Chone gives them speed and versatility, Crede and Santana are the gems of this dealio.

ct2k

11-29-2006, 10:06 AM

CWS definitely need some starting pitching more consistent than last years I'll give you that, but I just don't see why they'd want to give up Crede.

I guess the speed of Chone helps, but his ability to get on base is hardly all-star and when you've got Konerko, Dye and Thome in the line-up is the one base Figgins steals every 2 or 3 games going to make a huge difference in the long-run? Surely going after a speedy utility player at a cheap price would've been better than an overpriced MVP like Figgins

ct2k

11-29-2006, 10:10 AM

How much is Figgins set to get out of interest?

YOUR Hero

11-29-2006, 10:13 AM

I wonder if there are any prospects in that deal... Figgins and Posednik batting 1-2?

BCWWF

11-29-2006, 11:02 AM

Well the White Sox are going to have to do something drastic to have a chance against the M&M's!

ZING

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-29-2006, 02:00 PM

Last I heard, Red Sox are looking for 3 players for Ramirez

Joey Slugs

11-29-2006, 02:37 PM

I wonder if there are any prospects in that deal... Figgins and Posednik batting 1-2?

There would be prospects (I would imagine) and the feeling around town is that Posednik will be gone by spring training as well.

Joey Slugs

11-29-2006, 02:48 PM

I really don't see the point in that trade at all:-\

Freddy Garcia for Ervin Santana I mean that could go either way but why the HELL would you want Figgins going anywhere near 3B when you could have had Crede?

Did they by into the whole 'team of Chone Figgins' thing or something?

Santana is younger and has more upside right now than Garcia, since most people say that Freddy has already peaked in this rotation.

Thanks to Satan Boras, it looks to be a long shot to sign Crede to a longterm deal without having to drop some MAJOR coin on him (he deserves it).

And as long as Josh Fields is around, Figgins will never see full-time duty at 3rd.

There is now talks that Gracia and prospects will go to LA and that Crede could go to Texas for Mike Young.

MVP

11-29-2006, 05:13 PM

DECENT 3RD BASEMAN?

You have never watched a White Sox game have you?

He was the real MVP in the 2005 playoffs and has gotten robbed the last few years in the "Popularity Contest" that is the Gold Gloves.

Sorry I didn't hold one of your precious White Sox players to the highest pedestal. I agree that he's a great player, calm down.

ct2k

11-29-2006, 05:21 PM

FEUD

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-29-2006, 05:31 PM

I don't think he's really been getting robbed in Gold Gloves though

Joey Slugs

11-29-2006, 05:44 PM

Sorry I didn't hold one of your precious White Sox players to the highest pedestal. I agree that he's a great player, calm down.

Oh come on. It's got nothing to do with holding him on a pedestal. As an across the board baseball fan, I know that there are players better than who I root for on my hometown team.

I'm just calling you out on being ignorant to players on others teams by calling Crede a "decent" player.

Because as a baseball fan I think that Crede should be held up as an elite 3rd baseman. When it come down to it (as a defensive player), I'll take him over ARod anyday.

But... I like how he's a great player in your mind now.

Whatever.

Joey Slugs

11-29-2006, 05:48 PM

I don't think he's really been getting robbed in Gold Gloves though

The Gold Glove isn't a defensive only award anymore. And yes... I feel that Crede was robbed of the award.

I also think that needs to be voted for AFTER the playoffs, not before as is the case. No way in hell that Crede loses that award what he did in the 05 series.

Dragon

11-29-2006, 06:24 PM

Speaking of Crede/A-Rod, how about Crede winning silver slugger without having any stats as good as A-Rod. Thought that was kind of crazy when I saw that.

ct2k

11-29-2006, 06:37 PM

Yeah there's a big difference between say, claiming Joe Crede is an elite 3B (which if he isn't he will be in a year or two) and claiming AJ Pierzysnki isn't a cunt (which he most definitely is)

Joey Slugs

11-29-2006, 06:45 PM

Yeah there's a big difference between say, claiming Joe Crede is an elite 3B (which if he isn't he will be in a year or two) and claiming AJ Pierzysnki isn't a cunt (which he most definitely is)

But he's OUR cunt.

FakeLaser

11-29-2006, 07:30 PM

Speaking of Crede/A-Rod, how about Crede winning silver slugger without having any stats as good as A-Rod. Thought that was kind of crazy when I saw that.
Yeah, what the hell?

.290/35/121/15/.392/.523

.283/30/94/0/.323/.506

YOU TELL ME.

RoXer

11-29-2006, 07:57 PM

Counsell agrees to $6 million, 2-year deal with Brewers

FakeLaser

11-29-2006, 08:05 PM

I think we'll shape up to look like this:

C - Jorge Posada
1B - Shea Hillenbrand
2B - Robinson Cano
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Alex Rodriguez
LF - Hideki Matsui
CF - Johnny Damon
RF - Bobby Abreu
DH - Jason Giambi
Bench - Melky Cabrera, Miguel Cairo, Mike Lieberthal

SP - Chien Ming Wang
SP - Mike Mussina
SP - Kei Igawa
SP - Ted Lilly
SP - Randy Johnson
DL - Carl Pavano

CL - Mariano Rivera
Setup - Brian Bruney
Longmen - Jeff Karstens/Darrell Rasner
RP - Kyle Farnsworth
RP - Scott Proctor
RP - Mike Myers
RP - Chris Britton

Once again, starting pitching is the big question mark. At least we have what appears to be a really good bullpen.

For some reason I have this hunch that we'll sign Shea Hillenbrand. Cashman has been saying he's fine with Andy Philips, but I don't believe him. Philips played a lot last year and he wasn't anything great. There's also no way he's going to depend on the combination of Pavano and Johnson. He'll probably sign Ted Lilly, because either Pavano or Johnson are going to be on the DL. As far as Lieberthal goes, he's a declining catcher who we could probably sign for pretty cheap for a year or two to back up Posada until we find a replacement to take over.

Dragon

11-29-2006, 08:20 PM

Yeah, seems pretty good.

I'm not confident in our rotation but there really isn't much we can do this offseason. The problem is we have too many back-end starters. Everything else is pretty set, we should have a decent amount of bullpen options. Just first base and backup catcher.

I've heard a lot of rumors about Cashman staying quiet and building up talent for an ace starter in a trade. (This was before the Igawa thing though). As much as we need a front-line starter I don't see him doing anything.

FakeLaser

11-29-2006, 08:54 PM

I've heard Melky Cabrera and Humberto Sanchez for Dontrelle Willis. It would suck to lose Melky though.

ClockShot

11-29-2006, 08:59 PM

Ted Lilly is alright. But I'm curious to know what we're going to do with Sidney Ponson. We grabbed him around mid-season, started a few games, then just vanished.

According to the Yankees 40 man roster, he ain't on there. Unless he got dumped quietly or retired.

FakeLaser

11-29-2006, 09:16 PM

Pretty sure Ponson was DFA. He sucks.

YOUR Hero

11-29-2006, 10:04 PM

Lilly isn't going to go to the Yankees. He's a Jay!!!!1

Dragon

11-29-2006, 10:14 PM

Yeah, heard of that Sanchez/Cabrera rumor. I don't know how I feel about it really. I would hate to lose Melky and am pretty sure the Marlins would want a lot lot more anyway.

YOUR Hero

11-29-2006, 11:01 PM

Jays also signed Royce Clayton today, a 1 year/1.5 million deal. Cheap, but I don't know if he'll be able to provide anything that wasn't already there. I hate to say it, but at this point, it looks like a poor decision.

YOUR Hero

11-29-2006, 11:06 PM

Pujols is whining that he didn't win the NL MVP. He figures he should have won because he was on a playoff team. While I do think most times this is the case, Howard was more valuable to the Phillies than he was to the Cards. Howard's team also, BTW Albert, won more games than your team did. Is it his fault he played in a tougher division than you, won more games and didn't make the playoffs? Gimme a break.

YOUR Hero

11-29-2006, 11:08 PM

PS, be happy you won a team award (world Series) and don't whinge about an individual award.

YOUR Hero

11-29-2006, 11:20 PM

Gil Meche was in Toronto at a Leafs game with JP Richardi. Now Meche isn't a superstar, but he'd amek a good addition to the team as a #4 or #5 starter, maybe #3 if Chacin falters. I still see Lilly signing with the Jays. I sure hope so anyway.

FakeLaser

11-29-2006, 11:29 PM

lol, Royce Clayton sucks.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-29-2006, 11:35 PM

YOUR Hero

11-29-2006, 11:49 PM

Royce Clayton will bring leadership and stability to the Jays organization. :roll: - JP said something similar to that. OK, I get it, you have to, but fuckkkkkkk. I hope he bats .567 hits 92 HRs and 277 RBIs and proves me wrong.

To be fair, the Gold Glove has become sort of the 'runner up' award to the MVP in some cases. Not all, but it's sometimes like a consolation prize.

FakeLaser

11-29-2006, 11:50 PM

Royce Clayton = Next year's Cristan Guzman

Joey Slugs

11-30-2006, 01:07 AM

Also, the Gold Glove just isn't about defense anymore? Really? Since when?

The Gold Glove Award hasn't been purely about defense for a while now. Atleast it isn't when you actually compare the defensive stats.

If Jeter has a decent year at SS (and how the hell does he win a gold glove in the first place???? much less 3?) one year and some rookie in KC puts up some sick % stats at the same spot.... DJ will get the award because he will have more coverage (and better offensive stats... which writers love... no mater what award it is for)

Joey Slugs

11-30-2006, 01:15 AM

Just look at these two players defensive stats:

Player A: 130g, 95po, 243a, 10e, 27dp, .971f%
Player B: 153g, 121po, 301a, 15e, 27dp, .966f%

Who wins the Gold Glove?

BCWWF

11-30-2006, 01:19 AM

Doug Mientkiewicz got screwed out of Gold Gloves at least twice in Minnesota. He was incredible.

Joey Slugs

11-30-2006, 02:58 AM

Doug Mientkiewicz got screwed out of Gold Gloves at least twice in Minnesota. He was incredible.

Minty is/was a hell of a 1st baseman

ct2k

11-30-2006, 05:01 AM

Gertner

11-30-2006, 08:31 AM

didn't Royce Clayton play for the jays last year? oh wait, that was john mcdonald. same player

btw i hope the jays don't sign meche

YOUR Hero

11-30-2006, 09:56 AM

WHY? - Do you think Towers will rebound? There was too much strain put on the AAA system without Towers last year, someone has to step up or someone needs to be brought in. I think the latter is more apra-po considering this team is trying to be a winner.

FakeLaser

11-30-2006, 10:00 AM

I think Lieberthal would be worth picking up, he'd be a reliable stand in for Posada, and if Posada can get a game off a week he's still going to be plenty fresh come playoff time.

Whats the prospect situation like on catchers? I know we have the 17 year old south-american phenom but gotta imagine he's gonna be a fair way off the majors for atleast another 5 or 6 years
I don't think we have any solid catchers, at least any that will help us anytime soon. Navarro was the last good catching prospect we had but he's gone.

Our top prospects are all pitchers (Hughes, Sanchez, Clippard) and outfielders (Tabata), oh yeah, and Eric Duncan.

ct2k

11-30-2006, 10:09 AM

How far away is Hughes now? I've heard nothing but great stuff about him

FakeLaser

11-30-2006, 10:35 AM

How far away is Hughes now? I've heard nothing but great stuff about him
Most people consider him to be the best pitching prospect in baseball right now. He had a great season last year in AA and will start this season in AAA. He might be big league ready but I don't think he's thrown enough innings in a season yet and would probably break down if he had to throw 200 innings. The Yankees know this and are trying to bring him along slowly, but I feel like he'd be the first guy called up if we need a starter.

FakeLaser

11-30-2006, 10:39 AM

Hughes' numbers last year at AA Trenton:
10-3, 2.25 ERA, 138 K, 33 BB, 106 IP, 0.91 WHIP

Pretty impressive.

ct2k

11-30-2006, 10:55 AM

Would we bump him up to AAA for a season or two then or is it likely he'll stay in Trenton?

FakeLaser

11-30-2006, 02:57 PM

He's starting next season in AAA. I think he'll pitch there for a season. Possibly 2. He's still young.

BCWWF

11-30-2006, 03:37 PM

This is why I hate Cardinals fans, a kid today was bragging that the Cards have to be the favorites to win the World Series next year. First of all, it is stupid to predict who will win the WS in the first place, but second of all, the Cards are the best example, maybe ever, of an average team that gets hot when it matters. They are going to bring back all of their average, Weaver, Edmonds, etc. FUCK YOU. Also, lol at Pujols starting to come out as an ass hole.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

11-30-2006, 03:42 PM

The Gold Glove Award hasn't been purely about defense for a while now. Atleast it isn't when you actually compare the defensive stats.

If Jeter has a decent year at SS (and how the hell does he win a gold glove in the first place???? much less 3?) one year and some rookie in KC puts up some sick % stats at the same spot.... DJ will get the award because he will have more coverage (and better offensive stats... which writers love... no mater what award it is for)
Oh I get what you mean, I thought you ment the actual award itself changed its description. It is suppose to only be about defense. Jeter winning the Gold Glove over Gonzo this year at SS was a complete joke, I dunno how you think Crede is getting robbed though (Especially this past season with Chavez...did Chavez really win due to a popularity contest? - Not to mention Mike Lowell played sick D this past season too)

BCWWF

11-30-2006, 03:45 PM

Inge is a good defender too, but I do think Chavez is always going to win just because of who he is. He won one year when he was injured half the season.

Joey Slugs

12-01-2006, 03:09 AM

Inge is a good defender too, but I do think Chavez is always going to win just because of who he is. He won one year when he was injured half the season.

The bold part is my point. Thanks man.

YOUR Hero

12-01-2006, 10:00 AM

Jesus Shuttlesworth

12-01-2006, 12:12 PM

I think Zito is better off going to a team like the Rangers though, contender or not. I can't see his real laid back attitude hitting it off real well with northeast baseball fans.

FakeLaser

12-01-2006, 04:06 PM

Pretty huge right here, Selig is stepping down in 2009.

http://www.nbcsports.com/mlb/508525/detail.html?dest=rss

Evil Vito

12-01-2006, 08:03 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Tom Glavine re-signs with the Mets</font> :cool:

Supreme Olajuwon

12-01-2006, 08:37 PM

New Reds unis:

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-3390904dt.jpg

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-3390944dt.jpg

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-3390949dt.jpg

sexy time

Supreme Olajuwon

12-01-2006, 08:40 PM

I'm glad they didn't mess with the alternates because those things are beautiful

YOUR Hero

12-01-2006, 08:49 PM

Solid traditional uniforms. I like them.

MVP

12-01-2006, 10:27 PM

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-3390949dt.jpg

sexy time

I want it

DaveWadding

12-01-2006, 11:57 PM

MUCH better than the D'Backs (yes, its a fucking apostrophe)

Joey Slugs

12-02-2006, 02:53 AM

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_TN_10.1.06_bgjd_560.jpg
Seriously going to weird not seeing that man in a Red Sox uniform.

ct2k

12-02-2006, 01:51 PM

That will be fucking weird

MVP

12-02-2006, 05:25 PM

Gonna miss that guy. :wavesad:

Fenix122

12-02-2006, 07:59 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Tom Glavine re-signs with the Mets</font> :cool:

yeah but he only did it because the Braves didn't want him

OssMan

12-03-2006, 07:23 PM

Read that the Texas Rangers are talking pretty serious with Zito. There's a team in desperation for pitching, I'm starting to think they'll pony up and sign Zito. If I was Zito though, I don't know.... They seem more like a team in the decline or at the very best going nowhere, so while the money might be slightly better signing there, the team won't be a contender and that would drive me wonkers.I don't think people know just how much players care about the sport. I seriously think that a player will go to any team who offers him the most money, except for a few rare players who want to re-sign for less or go to a team they like. Someone with an agent like Scott Boras obviously does not care where he is playing.

BCWWF

12-03-2006, 08:04 PM

Yeah, Michael Young, Mark Texiera and Hank Blalock are over the hill, the Rangers have no promise.

YOUR Hero

12-03-2006, 08:54 PM

BCWWF, check their pitching. Check it and tell me how they'll be remotely competitive.

YOUR Hero

12-03-2006, 08:55 PM

also, outside the 3 batters you just mentioned, tell me what they've got going for them.

BCWWF

12-04-2006, 12:02 AM

BCWWF, check their pitching. Check it and tell me how they'll be remotely competitive.

Isn't that the whole point of going to the Rangers?

also, outside the 3 batters you just mentioned, tell me what they've got going for them.

Michael Young: Besides being called one of the best pure hitters in all of baseball, he is 30 years old and hit 314 with 100+ RBIs last year.
Mark Teixiera: He is 26 years old, one of the top young power hitters in the league, and was 33-110 last season.
Hank Blalock: Same age as Teixiera, hit 33 home runs in his first season and drives in close to 100 RBIs each season.

I don't know why you are being defensive. You said Zito would be stupid for going to a team with great young power hitting, but that lacks pitching, and is in one of the most open divisions in baseball. The A's are out without Thomas, the Angels are a mess, and the Mariners are still bad. With a few good moves, the Rangers could easily be in the playoffs this year if they signed Zito.

FakeLaser

12-04-2006, 12:06 AM

Hank Blalock is garbage.

YOUR Hero

12-04-2006, 12:28 AM

I'm being defensive?

I'm just saying the Rangers are going nowhere. Zito would be like the only guy on the Rangers with anything of value. Nice to see you've listed the pitching of the Rangers.

BCWWF

12-04-2006, 12:36 AM

That is why the Ranger's need Zito, all they have right now is Millwood and a decent closer in Otsuka. I'm just saying that it's not an incredibly stupid idea for a great pitcher to go to a great offensive team with no pitching in a wide open division.

FakeLaser

12-04-2006, 12:38 AM

The Rangers are pretty mediocre. They're heralded as an offensive juggernaut, but their offense isn't really that great. Michael Young and Mark Teixiera are the whole team. Blalock can only hit at Ameriquest, along with the rest of the team. They lost Barajas. Ian Kinsler shows promise at 2B. Their outfield is TERRIBLE. They need an outfield bat.

If they sign Zito their pitching COULD be somewhat decent, but that's only if they can re-sign Vicente Padilla (probably not going to happen). Zito, Millwood and Padilla is a pretty good top of the rotation, with Koronka and someone else at the back end. This is not going to happen though. Their bullpen leaves much to be desired as well.