MLB 2006-2007 Offseason Thread

[FakeLaser]

Some Bay Area News:

The Giants and Bengie Molina have agreed to terms on a three-year deal, according to Yahoo! Sports.

Rich Aurilia is guaranteed $8 million under the terms of his two-year deal with the Giants.

Giants re-signed third baseman Pedro Feliz to a one-year, $5.1 million contract.

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SI.com's Jon Heyman says that Oakland appears to be a strong favorite to land free agent Mike Piazza.
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The Molina deal is pretty terrible already, and I don't even know how much he's getting paid.

Piazza would be a great signing for the A's as a DH. I don't think he's capable of Frank Thomas-like numbers, but he should be pretty good.
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Cardinals agreed to terms with RHP Chris Carpenter on a five-year, $65 million contract with a club option for 2012.

Vicente Padilla's agent, Paul Kinzer, said Monday afternoon that the right-hander is close to reaching an agreement to return to the Rangers in a multiyear deal.

FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal believes the Rangers could offer Barry Zito a six-year, $102 million contract.

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The Red Sox, on the lookout for a closer, have reportedly inquired about Derrick Turnbow.
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Smart move locking up Carpenter, especially with how crazy the market has been. I would love it if the Sox signed Turnbow.

[Adder]

I can't belive Aurillia is still in the league, let alone making multi-millions

[MVP]

I would love it if the Sox signed Turnbow.

You would, I wouldn't.

[FakeLaser]

You would, I wouldn't.
That's right.

[FakeLaser]

I can't belive Aurillia is still in the league, let alone making multi-millions
He's actually put up pretty good numbers these past 2 seasons.

Last year:
.300/23/70/.349/.518 in 440 AB.

I'm not saying he's a good sign for the Giants or anything, but there are worse players out there.

[YOUR Hero]

If the Rangers can sign Padilla and Zito, then I was wrong-ish. I did not think Padilla was going to sign with Texas and it therefore made no sense for Zito to sign there. If they can sign them both, kudos to them.

[FakeLaser]

A source told SI.com's Tom Verducci that Andy Pettitte likes the idea of returning to New York and "could possibly have a deal by the end of the week."

I don't know if I should be happy about this, but fuck it, I am.

[ct2k]

Man seriously If that turns out to not happen I'm going to hate you Razor

[Joey Slugs]

I always thought that Arlington was a horrible pitchers park... so why is everyone debating the merits of Zito going there?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

5 years 70 mil for JD Drew....why?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Because if you have a $70 mil player on the DL half the year then its ok to not make the playoffs.

Trust me I'm familiar with these things.

[YOUR Hero]

haha, the griffey factor... "wait till next year"

[Joey Slugs]

Globe: Outfielder J.D. Drew Reaches $70 Million Deal with Sox (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/11/jd_drewa_little.html)
(And Johnny Damon Just Rolled Over in His Pinstripes)

[YOUR Hero]

What did Damon get from the Yankees again?

[Dragon]

4 years/52 million I believe

[FakeLaser]

5 years 70 mil for JD Drew....why?
Enjoy 3rd place again.

[YOUR Hero]

4 years/52 million I believe

That's it?

AHAHAHAHA

Wtf.



I was sure he got like 8 years and 100+ million :?:

If I'm wrong and you are right, AHAHAHAHA

Wtf.

[YOUR Hero]

Enjoy 3rd place again.

enjoy 2nd place :cool:

[FakeLaser]

This could seriously turn out to be the worst offseason in Red Sox history.

Defense was one of their strong points last year, and they let Alex Gonzalaz, one of the best defensive shortstops in baseball, walk. Gotta love that middle infield, Alex Cora and Dustin Pedoria. You basically need to sign Julio Lugo at this point, and he'll be drastically overpaid. He's a huge defensive downgrade too.

Trot Nixon is gone basically, not that he was an amazing player but he was a team guy and he was a real Red Sock. They haven't addressed their closer need and there's basically no one decent on the market. They want to fill the void with Derrick Turnbow, who couldn't post an ERA under 5 in the National League. Genius.

They're probably going to trade one of the best right handed hitters of all time, replacing him with a guy who has never played more than 140 games in a season for a shitload more money then they could have offered the dependable clubhouse leader Johnny Damon a year earlier. They're trading him because they have enough offense, supposedly. Who do they have besides Ortiz now? Willy Mo Pena? Mike Lowell? JD Drew is a non factor because he'll play about 37 games, and even if he was healthy there's no way he he is a substitute for Manny Ramirez.

The pitching staff is a mess, Matsuzaka MUST be signed, and even then he comes with question marks. Schilling is old and could break down at any minute. Beckett is the most inconsistent pitcher ever and pretty overrated. Who knows how Papelbon will do as a starter. Tim Wakefield is somewhat dependable, I guess.

The bullpen sucks too.

What a mess. Works for me though.

[FakeLaser]

enjoy 2nd place :cool:
Haha, you wish.

[YOUR Hero]

Red Sox might go after Gagne.

He'll be their saviour or a huge bust. Although he's a Canadian, I'm wishing bust on him because he'll be against my Jays.

[Dragon]

Red Sox sign Lugo for 36 million over 4 years apparently

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I don't get the JD Drew move at all. Maybe they are just throwing around cash to avoid the backlash from last season but I dunno. JD Drew really doesn't make the Red Sox any better.

I think the Lester thing fucked up a lot of stuff, not his fault obviously the dude got cancer but I really think that threw a wrench into the whole plan and now they are just going out of control.

[Dragon]

What is Boston's payroll like now?

That gap between Boston's payroll and the Yankees must be getting smaller. Especially because I don't think Manny will be traded. I just think its kind of funny because I remember during the time around the whole "Boston Massacre" thing earlier this year, Epstein was saying how they can't compete on the Yankees level money-wise. This should stop Red Sox fans from complaining about Yankee spending though, I know Boston fans on here don't really do that but I know people in real life that do.

[MVP]

Red Sox are gonna be playing in t-shirts and shorts this year at the rate they're buying players.

[BCWWF]

Boston was a sweet team in 2004, because they had a lot of players that really fit their team image, and for the most part it wasn't wreckless spending. They signed David Ortiz as a free agent because nobody else wanted him, Pedro had been on the team for a while, Damon really became a superstar on Boston, and then guys like Varitek, Trot, Millar, Mueller, those guys defined Boston. Then Curt Schilling was brought in, which was huge, but it wasn't rediculous. In 2005 though, Boston lost all of its credibility to me. They were never the real underdog, but they started being marketed as one. There are plenty of rebel teams out there that win without having to overspend, and Boston isn't one of them. Then they started getting rid of all of their defining players, Pedro, Damon, Mueller, Lowe, and now they are basically just the Yankees. A lot of over priced guy, many injury prone, who are never going to come together and win it all again.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

What is Boston's payroll like now?

That gap between Boston's payroll and the Yankees must be getting smaller. Especially because I don't think Manny will be traded. I just think its kind of funny because I remember during the time around the whole "Boston Massacre" thing earlier this year, Epstein was saying how they can't compete on the Yankees level money-wise. This should stop Red Sox fans from complaining about Yankee spending though, I know Boston fans on here don't really do that but I know people in real life that do.I dunno Yankees where like 80 million ahead of the Red Sox last season, I don't think they've closed the gap by that much.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

There's no way Boston's caught up to the Yankees. The Yankees have like 8 guys making at least $13 mil a year. Boston has 2 I think.

[ct2k]

Yeah ok that JD Drew deal is REALLY confusing me, what the HELL are they thinking?

And how is Julio Lugo getting that much money?

Why is all this insane stuff happening this offseason? Do I know that little about baseball that I'm missing the blindingly obvious?:( Or has everyone lost the plot?

[ddpBANG]

Gred Maddux to the Padres

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2687700

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Good move by the Padres, IMO. They've now got some veteran leadership for their young rotation.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah ok that JD Drew deal is REALLY confusing me, what the HELL are they thinking?

And how is Julio Lugo getting that much money?

Why is all this insane stuff happening this offseason? Do I know that little about baseball that I'm missing the blindingly obvious?:( Or has everyone lost the plot?I remember hearing that teams will have more money to spend this offseason, but I assumed they ment smaller market teams getting money from the revenue sharing thing so I really don't know.

[YOUR Hero]

A lot of the spending this off season has to do with supply. There isn't much, so teams are over paying for guys that aren't worth the money they're getting. What it means is next years players that are really valuable are going to see what lesser guys are making and be asking for much more. It's crazy.
Also, now that they've got a new agreement and labour peace, it causes a bit of sub conscience (maybe not sub conscience) spending. - The Good Times.

[ct2k]

What are the US Sporting writers saying about it all?

[YOUR Hero]

What are the US Sporting writers saying about it all?

Here's something I read today

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Athq0TR7Wo4naLZdx.a5FVoRvLYF?slug=jp-revenue120506&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Gabbons thinks the Red Sox payroll will end up around 145 million

He also said he thinks its 90% chance of the Red Sox getting the contract done with Matsuzaka

[Dragon]

Yeah, I don't think Boras has much leverage against the Sox with Matsuzaka. The Red Sox want him and he wants to play here, he doesn't want to go back to Japan. So a deal seems really likely.

[FakeLaser]

Some updates:

Although Jason Schmidt said earlier that a deal had been agreed to, Dodgers GM Ned Colletti refused to confirm that his team had signed the right-hander to a three-year, $47 million contract.

According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, free agent Ted Lilly has told the Yankees he'd join them if they're willing to give him a four-year, $40 million contract.

Andy Pettitte decided Wednesday he will pitch next year rather than retire.

Agent Randy Hendricks confirmed that he's talking with the Yankees about a deal for Andy Pettitte.

Scout.com's Bill Shanks says the Braves have acquired Rafael Soriano from the Mariners for Horacio Ramirez.

The Pirates have agreed to surrender Mike Gonzalez for Adam LaRoche, but a trade is on hold because the Braves aren't sure Gonzalez is healthy.

Free agent Gil Meche has reportedly narrowed his choices to the Blue Jays, Cubs and Royals.

Jon Lester confirmed Tuesday that doctors have told him he's cancer-free from lymphoma, and he plans to report to spring training on time.

FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal says Greg Maddux will get a one-year, $10 million contract with a $6 million player option for 2008 from the Padres.

ESPNews is reporting that the Red Sox and Julio Lugo have agreed to terms on a four-year, $36 million contract.
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It appears that the Sox might not move Ramirez at this point, which is a good idea. Their payroll is going to go way up.

Schmidt could be the best bargain of the offseason, compared to some of the other deals that are being thrown around. It all depends on how healthy he is, I guess.

I really hope we get Pettite. We'll get Lilly if Pettite doesn't return, by the sounds of it. Pettite is a better fit because he'd only pitch a year or two probably, is more proven than Lilly, and he's Andy Pettite, pitching for the Yankees again. We have Hughes and Sanchez ready to start in a year or two so we need a short term fix.

Great deal for the Braves, Soriano could be their closer if Wickman collapses. I don't know if they need Mike Gonzalaz anymore.

My Meche prediction is that he goes to the Cubs. I'd say the Blue Jays, but I think Pettite will sign with the Yankees and Lilly will resign with the Jays.

Good to hear Lester is doing better, I wish him the best.

Yup, as I predicted, the Red Sox are overpaying for Lugo. That's how the market is going though.

Great deal getting Maddux. I'll be targeting him next year in the later rounds in my Fantasy draft now that he'll be pitching half of his games in Petco.

[ct2k]

Man Andy Pettitte isn't even that old whys he thinking of retiring already?

[BCWWF]

Might as well bring Clemons back to the Yankees too, then.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Lester baby WOO

[YOUR Hero]

Lilly says the Jays are no longer an option. Either the Yankees or the Cubs. I'm hoping JP takes a run at Zito.

[FakeLaser]

The Cubs and Ted Lilly have reached a preliminary agreement on a four-year, $40 million contract, FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal is reporting.
Well, this afternoon's reports weren't entirely accurate if this is the case, as Lilly supposedly preferred a four-year, $40 million contract from the Yankees to four years and $44 million from the Cubs. However, it seems likely that part of those reports were true, and the Yankees simply decided it wasn't worth it, especially with Andy Pettitte potentially on the horizon. Dec. 6 - 8:08 pm et
Source: FOXSports.com

[FakeLaser]

I think Lilly will pitch really well in the NL Central.

[YOUR Hero]

Cubs are the team on the move this off season. I guess the Jays will pursue Meche now, I'd like to see JP get pissed off about Lilly and take a run at Zito. God, I'd jerk off for a week.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Mike Piazza to the A's</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Cubs pick ups kinda seem like Redskin NFL style pick ups though, I don't know if it is gonna pan out to anything on the field.

Atleast they didn't sign JD Drew for 70 mil......:(

[OssMan]

Redskins NFL pick ups are like Yankees pick ups except they suck :lol:

[BCWWF]

The Cubs have gotten screwed on injuries more than anything else lately. Derek Lee was amazing, but then last year got injured. Wood and Prior, same thing. If Prior is healthy next year, along with Zambrano and Lilly with Wood closing, they will have a good pitching staff. I don't think they have a complete enough team to maek the playoffs, but I expect them to win a lot more games this year.

[ct2k]

Is Kerry Wood even worth keeping around anymore? The Cubs would probably have more luck bringing Rick Ankiel out of retirement

[FakeLaser]

"MLB.com is reporting that the Dodgers and Luis Gonzalez have agreed to terms on a one-year, $7 million contract."

Solid bat and good clubhouse guy for the Dodgers.

"Eric Gagne rejected an offer from the Dodgers that would have guaranteed him about $4 million with a chance to make about $6 million more in incentives.

Not only does Gagne probably feel he can do better elsewhere, but he reportedly wants to go to a team that would guarantee him the chance to close. Boston would seem to be his best bet, especially if he wants to get to the postseason. If he's willing to accept a setup role, Toronto would be an intriguing alternative."

Now Gagne would be a good gamble for the Red Sox.

"Ted Lilly reportedly left $5 million on the table by choosing the Cubs' four-year offer over that of the Blue Jays.

Lilly took $40 million from the Cubs. The Jays are now focusing on signing Gil Meche, but Meche also has a substantial offer from the Cubs on the table."

I predicted Meche would land with the Jays, but I figured that would only happen because Lilly would sign with the Yankees. Meche is the real winner here, the Jays and Cubs are gonna have a hell of a bidding war here. It could go either way, IMO.

"Daisuke Matsuzaka will return to the United States this weekend with the goal of ironing out a deal with the Red Sox."

"According to Newsday, there have been indications that free agent Ron Villone is leaning toward accepting the Yankees' offer of arbitration."

I hope so, Villone is solid and should be pretty cheap.

"The Twins have spoken with the agents for free-agent right-hander Sidney Ponson.

Ponson could be offered a minor league deal with an invitation to spring training. The Twins also have some interest in Bruce Chen and Paul Wilson as they seek to add more rotation depth."

Man, sucks to be without Liriano.

[ct2k]

Glad to hear we could be keeping hold of Villone.

Gotta figure Gagne will flourish in Boston if he transitions ok, he'll probably be used in about 30 games less a year for a start

[YOUR Hero]

Jays need a lefty. JP, take my advice

[Gertner]

Lilly is so frusterating at times. At home he was terrific. On the road he was pretty bad

[ct2k]

Just don't expect him to give up the ball without a fight:lol:

[Joey Slugs]

Gave Garcia up for fucking nobody. Good move KW!

[RoXer]

"MLB.com is reporting that the Dodgers and Luis Gonzalez have agreed to terms on a one-year, $7 million contract."



:wavesad: :'( :nono:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>LOL Gil Meche to the Royals, definately did not see that one coming</font>

[ct2k]

The Miz will be so happy:love:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

For some reason I think Gagne would be sick in Boston, we'll see if it actually happens.

[Dragon]

Too bad Gagne doesn't want to set up. Gagne-Rivera would be pretty ridiculous. I still think the Red Sox are getting him, I figured they would have made some changes to their bullpen already after how bad it was last year.

[YOUR Hero]

Meche will get 11 million a season. Wow. That's crazy.

[ct2k]

Thats not crazy thats fucking insane

[Nervous Ferret]

Gave Garcia up for fucking nobody. Good move KW!Gavin Floyd will be a huge

[YOUR Hero]

That Freddy Garcia move is something the Jays might need to make.

[McLegend]

Phillies makin a good move :cool:

[BCWWF]

At least you didn't pull the Garland trade with Houston, that wouldn't have been good.

[Joey Slugs]

the worst fucking part of it all is thanks to this fucked up market this off season... we are not going to offer extentions to any of or pitchers... so we are going to settle for a 3rd place team again.

[D Mac]

<font color=goldenrod>LOL Gil Meche to the Royals, definately did not see that one coming</font>

Is he any good?

[YOUR Hero]

Gil Meche is so good, Seattle sent him down to the minors last year or the year before (I forget which one) to get his shit sorted out.

[ct2k]

$11m a year:rofl:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol baseball is so retarded. 5 years 55 mil for Gil Meche? What the hell is Zito going to get now?

[ct2k]

$250m 5 years

[ClockShot]

Some sad news today.

Ex-giants SS Jose Uribe was killed in a car crash.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2691022

[RoXer]

Schmidt signs with the Dodgers. Holy crap, they are going to win the west.

[Loose Cannon]

lol the Royals are clearly trying to dropped by major league baseball all together.

[ClockShot]

I like Steinbrenner's thinking. He clearly flipped his lid with this.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2690331

[D Mac]

lol the Royals are clearly trying to dropped by major league baseball all together.

:mad:

[Dragon]

Why are the White Sox trying to sell off all their starters? I understand trading one to get McCarthy into the rotation but I keep seeing they still might try to deal Garland.

[Dragon]

Pettitte coming back. Pretty excited about this, not sure how much of a difference-maker he will be but it doesn't even matter, just to have him back will be crazy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2691380

[MrMeJW]

I hope he has as good of a start as he did last year with Huston. He's going to get reamed back in the AL

[ClockShot]

I'm just watching SportsCenter. They're saying that since Pettitte left to New York, Clemens may follow.

[FakeLaser]

Food for thought on Andy Pettitte:

"In comparing the big three pitchers on the market (sorry, Matsuzaka fans), Pettitte's numbers over the last two years are superior to both Barry Zito and Jason Schmidt (who signed yesterday with the Dodgers, removing himself from the fray, but helping establish a market rate with his three-year, $47-million deal). Pettitte is 31-22, 3.28 over that stretch, with 349 Ks and 111 walks in 436 2/3 innings. Zito has 30 wins and has lost one more than Pettitte, with an ERA a half a run higher. He has more wear and tear (449 1/3 innings) and his command is nowhere near as dominant as Pettitte's (322 Ks/188 BB). Schmidt (Pettitte's junior by only seven months) is just 23-16, 3.95, and injuries have held him to 385 1/3 innings. He has 345 strikeouts, but has walked 165."

[FakeLaser]

More news:

ESPN's Buster Olney is reporting that Andy Pettitte will return to the Yankees on a one-year, $16 million contract with a $16 million player option for 2008.

Royals signed RHP Octavio Dotel, who had been with the Yankees, to a one-year, $5 million contract.

Cardinals signed RHP Russ Springer, who had been with the Astros, to a one-year, $1.75 million contract.

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Free agent Mark Mulder plans to visit Texas and meet with Rangers owner Tom Hicks on Tuesday.

The Braves are reportedly more willing to part with Kyle Davies and prospects for Rocco Baldelli than they would be Chuck James.


According to the Boston Globe's Gordon Edes, free agent Eric Gagne has an offer that will guarantee him $6 million with a chance to earn an additional $5 million in incentives.

Boston didn't make the offer, which apparently means it's either from the Rangers or the Indians. Edes doesn't believe Gagne will be joining the Red Sox.

Mike MacDougal's new three-year deal with the White Sox is worth $6.45 million.

The Houston Chronicle's Richard Justice believes that, with Andy Pettitte gone from Houston, the Red Sox may now be the favorites to land Roger Clemens, should the 44-year-old return for another season.

The Blue Jays will consider trading Vernon Wells if they can't lock him up to a contract extension sometime around Jan. 1.

According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Yankees are willing to give Shea Hillenbrand a one-year, $5 million contract. He's still holding out for a multiyear deal, though.
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[BCWWF]

Not saying it can't happen, but there is no reason why Clemens would go back to the Red Sox. He retired a Yankee, and is clearly pretty loyal to that organization. He only came back into the league because his hometown club gave him a special contract and his good friend Andy Pettite was there. So now that Pettite is on the Yankees, why would Clemens sign with the direct rivals of the Yankees and now Pettite?

Also, if he was going to sign with a team to just try to win another World Series, the Yankees look 10 times better on paper right now. Yeah, he started his career and was probably at his best when on the Red Sox, but that was a long time ago. I am sure his closest ties are with the Astros and the Yankees, and I don't see why it would make sense for him to go to Boston at this point.

[D Mac]

Clemens to the Royals! :shifty:

[FakeLaser]

Clemens actually had his best statistical yaers with the Blue Jays.

[YOUR Hero]

Clemens is loyal to the bling bling, not any one organization.

Also, it sounds like the Jays are close to re-signing Wells. So says the radio reports late last night. God, I hope so.

[ct2k]

What is it with Wells and Clemens and the AL East big three?

[Loose Cannon]

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2003/11/18/lIAg84WP.jpg

:love:

[YOUR Hero]

what do you guys think Zito's going to get?

I'm thinking he might be making 22 million a year.

[YOUR Hero]

Jason Marquis signed with the Cubs. So did Wade Miller. I think Wade Miller is the sleeper, wow. This guy was starting to put together a nice career before he got injured. I think the Cubs signed(or traded for him) last year, they re-signed him on the cheap.

[FakeLaser]

Today is another great day for Yankee fans:

Negotiations between the Boston Red Sox (http://www.nbcsports.com/mlb_redsox/index.html) and Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka have essentially broken down, the Boston Herald reported, adding that unless there is an abrupt change of course, Matsuzaka will not be signing with the Red Sox before Thursday’s midnight deadline.Boston bid $51.1 million for the right to negotiate with Matsuzaka, who was the MVP of last spring's World Baseball Classic.The Herald named a source close to the talks between the Red Sox and Matzsuzaka's agent, Scott Boras. The source blames Boras for stubbornly being unable to get over the flaws in the Japanese posting system, saying that he has been that "he has acted disinterested in even making a deal."

[FakeLaser]

Also:
Considering potentially making a trade, the Cardinals have asked to examine Carl Pavano's medical records.

The Rockies are another team that's expressed some interest in Pavano, who is owed $23 million over the next two seasons. With Andy Pettitte back and Kei Igawa still likely to sign, the Yankees are likely to be more open to dumping as much as Pavano's contract as they can, though they may prefer not to do it before spring training.

And a smart move by the Rangers:
Rangers re-signed RHP Vicente Padilla to a three-year, $33.75 million contract with an option for 2010.

[ct2k]

Its a shame it never worked out with Pavano. But in Pettitte we know what we're getting, and we know he's likely to perform come playoff time too.

[ct2k]

Whats the story on Igawa?

[FakeLaser]

All signs point to signing Igawa. I think we'll pull the trigger on a Pavano deal as soon as he's signed.

[FakeLaser]

I really gotta hand it to Cashman, he's been making genius moves since he fucked up royally with Wright and Pavano.

[BCWWF]

Pettite had a 4.20 ERA last year, which is probably what you are getting, not the Pettite of the past.

[ct2k]

Agreed, I'm glad nothing ever happened with Soriano or any other big hitters

[ct2k]

Pettite had a 4.20 ERA last year, which is probably what you are getting, not the Pettite of the past.

I know, but he's likely to be a wee bit more consistent than Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano or Sidney Ponson

[FakeLaser]

Pettite had a 4.20 ERA last year, which is probably what you are getting, not the Pettite of the past.
He wasn't at full strength for the first half of the season. He was one of the best pitchers in the second half with an 8-5 record and a 2.85 ERA.

We're also not asking him to be our ace, he'll follow Wang and Mussina, most likely.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't get why Boras is being a hard ass about Matsuzaka, he is going to lose himself, Matsuzaka and Matzsuzaka's current team a lot of moeny by waiting out til next year. If they don't sign him, I wonder what they are going to do with that 51 mil?

I don't get why more hasn't been mentioned about Lester coming back, only place I've even mentioned was on here. That could be really big for the Red Sox

[YOUR Hero]

Boras has no soul

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I hope Matsuzaka signs despite what Boras says...since he has the right to do so.

Just wondering though...is the $51.1 million bid going straight to the Japanese team all in one shot? That'd be pretty crazy</font>

[Gertner]

jays should be going after suppan. why they even bothered with meche is beyond me

[Boondock Saint]

I don't get why more hasn't been mentioned about Lester coming back, only place I've even mentioned was on here. That could be really big for the Red Sox

I agree but I think it may be too early to tell when exactly he'll be throwing. He says he's going to spring training but I dunno if he'll actually start playing til around June or so.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

<font color=goldenrod>I hope Matsuzaka signs despite what Boras says...since he has the right to do so.

Just wondering though...is the $51.1 million bid going straight to the Japanese team all in one shot? That'd be pretty crazy</font>
I'd think it would be.

Hopefully Matsuzaka realizes how much money he'll be losing out on and he signs. I wouldn't want to risk it personally, he could hurt next season in Japan and never pitch again.

[Dragon]

For some reason, I still think Boras will get a deal done for Matsuzaka. Hopefully he doesn't so the Yankees can make a run at him next year but I see it happening at the last minute. I wonder how high the bidding will get next year if he is posted again though? Imagine how he would feel if Boston bid the highest again lol

[MVP]

Looks like Boras is broadcasting a press conference tonight in front of the Japanese press. It'll probably be pretty ROFL to hear them all yelling at him in Japanese.

[FakeLaser]

Kenny Lofton will get a one-year, $6 million contract from the Rangers, according to the Dallas Morning News.

FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal says the Mariners are on the verge of signing free agent Miguel Batista to a three-year contract.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's David O'Brien says it appears the Braves will non-tender Marcus Giles if they can't trade him prior to Tuesday's deadline.

An American League scout told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that the Rays would definitely give up Rocco Baldelli in exchange for Chuck James and Yunel Escobar.

Orioles signed outfielder Jay Payton, who had been with the Athletics, to a two-year, $9.5 million contract.

Tigers agreed to terms with third baseman Brandon Inge on a four-year, $24 million contract.

[RoXer]

Jay Payton to a two-year, $9.5 milli--


:LOL:

[YOUR Hero]

Why would the Braves non tender Giles? What have I missed.

[FakeLaser]

I think they want a cheaper option, like a Ronnie Belliard or something.

[YOUR Hero]

7 million a year
15 million a year

Those are the reported different prices between RedSox and Boras for Matsuka

[FakeLaser]

7 million is ridiculously low considering the market.

[ct2k]

The fuckin market would give Sandy Alomar 20m a year right now

[YOUR Hero]

7 million is ridiculously low considering the market.

I can't disagree. But 15 million for a guy that's never thrown a pitch in the MLB? Geesh.

The RedSox basically have to get him signed by tommorow. Consider this. The dude's still in Japan, they'd need to get him to Boston for the signing and to pass the physical in 2 days. That's cutting it short, but possible. Any later than tommorow, and it becomes virtually impossible to have it happen before Thursday's dealine.

[YOUR Hero]

The fuckin market would give Sandy Alomar 20m a year right now

This is why I don't understand why Zito hasn't been signed yet. With the way the salary scale has been skewed, Zito should be a no brainer to get a 13,14,15 million per season 6 year deal.

[FakeLaser]

I said it from the beginning, Matsuzaka is not going to get signed by the Red Sox.

[ct2k]

I still don't get the whole $50m to talk to him shit:-S

Were they bidding for him or just for the rights to talk to him?

[YOUR Hero]

They outbid other teams to have the rights to attempt to sign him to a deal.
If they can't, the RedSox loose none of that money and Matsuka won't be eligible to play in the MLB until the following year when the whole process would start over.

[YOUR Hero]

After all the hoopla surrounding the $51.1 million bid the Red Sox posted to talk to Daisuke Matsuzaka, it appears a contract may not materialize.

Negotiations between the team and the Japanese star pitcher have nearly broken down, the Boston Herald reported Sunday. A source familiar with the situation told the Herald late Saturday that unless "there is an abrupt change of course," the Red Sox will not strike a deal with Matsuzaka before the deadline midnight Thursday.

Attempts to reach Matsuzaka's agent, Scott Boras, were unsuccessful. The source blamed Boras for a lack of interest in the negotiations.

Matsuzaka signed with Boras in October and was posted for bidding in early November.

Matsuzaka was 17-5 with a 2.13 ERA and 200 strikeouts for his Japanese team, the Seibu Lions, this year. He throws in the high-90s, has good off-speed pitches and is known for his deceptive "gyroball," which has been likened to a screwball.

The Lions will not receive any of the $51.1 million if Matsuzaka does not sign. The initial offer made by the Red Sox was believed to be between $7-8 million a year for four-six years, but Boras was reportedly asking for nearly $15 million a year.

Though the Herald's source admitted that there is time for the outlook to change, as of Saturday night the team and Matsuzaka weren't close to finding a common ground.

/ESPN

[ct2k]

So had the deal gone through would they have had to agree on a deal around or above 50 mil or is that just an arbitrary figure?

[YOUR Hero]

the 51.1 million dollars has nothing to do with anything.
That is simply the amount of money they bid to talk to him with him, about signing a contract. His Japanese team would have gotten that money, had he come to a deal with Boston, he'd have gotten none of it.

[YOUR Hero]

...he could theoretically sign a 1 dollar a year contract for 100 years.

[Boondock Saint]

At this point I'm starting to not give a shit about K-Dice anymore. Seriously, I doubt this dude is going to live up to the hype as OMGZZ BEST PITCHER EVERRZZZZZZ. Sure, I'd love us to have him cuz I do believe he will be an asset but is he really worth all this bullshit? Basically I'm just sick of hearing it everywhere around here. It's like the only thing they talk about on WEEI anymore.

[Boondock Saint]

WEEI = Boston sports radio station

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

“This decision is going to be Daisuke’s, he has to make the call,” - Scott Bora$

What the hell are you doing listening to WEEI during the Red Sox offseason? Especially during an offseason following a disappointing season. Shit makes me wanna commit suicide haha

[Boondock Saint]

THE MIKEY SHOW

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'm not a big fan of it since they just shit on college sports and write them off as nothing but then talk about what Manny Ramirez did at a hotel in NYC like 3 years ago for hours at a time

[ClockShot]

Eric Gagne agrees to 1-year, 6 mil. deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2695054

[D Mac]

If any players get hurt while moonlighting in TNA it's thier own fault. :shifty:

[FakeLaser]

That's a move that could pay huge dividends for the Rangers.

[FakeLaser]

Rangers will probably try to trade Otsuka now. They should be able to get a halfway decent starter for him.

[ct2k]

Kenny Loftons not a bad little pickup either.

Why have they only signed up Gagne for one year? The article doesn't mention any options for further years...Mind you I guess its not wise to bank a huge load on someone with Gagne's recent health issues

[Dragon]

Red Sox apparently making a record offer to Matsuzaka


In a conference call Monday night, Red Sox GM Theo Epstein said the he's prepared to make a "record" offer to Daisuke Matsuzaka on Tuesday.

By record, it's taken to mean that it'll be the largest offer ever made to a player with no major league experience. Epstein and owner John Henry are among the members of the Red Sox to make the trip to Los Angeles in an attempt to get Matsuzaka signed before Thursday's deadline. "I think it's also fair to say we're on Scott Boras's doorstep because he hasn't negotiated with us so far," Henry said. "We're taking the fight directly to him to try to have a negotiation here"

-Rotoworld

[BCWWF]

The Red Sox are so fucking stupid. I bet they decide to play Boras' game and give him like 30 million per year or something.

[MVP]

PLEASE don't sign him for too much. :mad:

[ClockShot]

Some big news coming just now.

The Astros might have lost Andy Pettitte, but they just made a big trade to the Rockies to replace him.

Astros get:
Jason Jennings (RHP)
Miguel Asencio (RHP)

Rockies get:
Willy Taveras (CF)
Jason Hirsh (RHP)
Taylor Buchholz (RHP)

For details, here's the link. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2695473

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I thought the Red Sox where going insane since they where scared of fans getting pissed and dissapointed again. Fenway is small enough, they can't really afford to not have a sell out every game but they already have sold out like every game for next year so I dunno

[YOUR Hero]

Suddenly Texas is looking more promising. They've already made the games 7 inning against their opponents when leading. If they do land Zito now that they resigned Padilla, well that's good news for any Ranger fan.

[Hanso Amore]

True, if they get Zito there would be a huge power shift in the west. I don't see them being favorites but Very competitive. Especially if hey trade otsuka for an everyday player or a Starter.

Oakland lost Zito and Thomas, their 2 best players.
Seattle is in the fucking woods
Anaheim needs to put it together. Great team on paper.

I think Texas wins 85-90 games and the division. Bounced in the 1st round.

[YOUR Hero]

They'll keep Otsuka around, it would be foolish to trade him and then *hope* Gagne doesn't re injure himself. Like I said, it also means after 7 innings you can't bring in Otsuka and Gagne for the 8th and 9th innings, effectively shutting down the end of the game after 7. (barring injuries)
The Rangers are looking at adding Mark Mulder as well.

[FakeLaser]

Mulder isn't a great pitcher anymore, but he'd be a good back end of the rotation for Texas. I'm kind of scared of what his numbers will look like in Arlington though.

1) Zito
2) Padilla
3) Millwood
4) Mulder
5) Koronka

8th inning - Otsuka
CL - Gagne

That would be one of the best pitching staffs in baseball, even pitching at Arlington.

[FakeLaser]

HOUSTON -- Wasting little time filling the void created by the departure of Andy Pettitte to the New York Yankees on Friday, Astros general manager Tim Purpura announced on Tuesday that the club had acquired right-hander Jason Jennings from Colorado in a five-player swap that brought Jennings and right-hander Miguel Asencio to Houston in exchange for center fielder Willy Taveras and right-handers Taylor Buchholz and Jason Hirsh.

I don't know how good of a deal this is for the Astros. Taveras is kind of underrated. Hirsh was their best pitching prospect, I think, and Buchholz was a top pitching prospect as well. I guess they needed to fill the Pettitte void.

[Gertner]

i like taveras.

btw i really don't know what the jays are doing

why they were so hooked on meche while jeff weaver and jeff suppan are out there is beyond me

[FakeLaser]

Weaver and Suppan are both failures in the AL East, that's probably their justification.

[Gertner]

lol and what did gil meche accomplish?

[FakeLaser]

Nothing, but Weaver and Suppan have both already sucked in the AL East.

[Gertner]

considering who the jays have as their number 4 and 5 it'd be an improvement

[FakeLaser]

Oh, I agree that they'd be an improvement, I'm just trying to provide justification for being so hard over Meche over Suppan and Weaver.

[YOUR Hero]

It seems to me the Jays will hope Towers can rebound and that the AAA prospects pan out. Either that or they will go on as Long as they can seeing if they can resign Wells, if they can't, I believe they'll trade him for a top pitching prospect. Rumour is to the Dodgers.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I guess Matsuzaka is flipping on a plane to Boston right now. This whole thing is getting pretty hilarious, I hope this dude can live up to the expectations.

[McDoogle]

TSN.ca Staff with Globe and Mail files
12/13/2006 10:34:49 AM
The Globe and Mail reports that the Toronto Blue Jays have made a formal contract offer to outfielder Vernon Wells (http://tsn.ca/mlb/player_bio.asp?player_id=2132). According to another report on Yahoo!, it is a seven year deal worth $126 million US. If signed, the contract would be the sixth-richest in baseball history, behind only Alex Rodriguez (http://tsn.ca/mlb/player_bio.asp?player_id=956) ($252 million for 10 years), Derek Jeter (http://tsn.ca/mlb/player_bio.asp?player_id=557) ($189 million for 10 years), Manny Ramirez (http://tsn.ca/mlb/player_bio.asp?player_id=926) ($160 million for eight years), Todd Helton (http://tsn.ca/mlb/player_bio.asp?player_id=1337) ($141.5 million for 11 years) and Alfonso Soriano (http://tsn.ca/mlb/player_bio.asp?player_id=2266) ($136 million, eight years).
"It's somewhere in there," Wells told the Globe on Tuesday. "But to be honest, other than that, I don't feel under any obligation to make any more comments about it."

The contract would also likely exceed the average annual value of Soriano, who signed with the Cubs last month.
"We have made a formal offer," Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi confirmed to the Globe.
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Wells, 28, is under contract in 2007 for $5.6 million US but will be eligible for free agency after the season. Without a new deal he could leave the Blue Jays for little more than two draft picks as compensation next fall, which has led to speculation the club would try to deal him rather than risk losing him.

The Blue Jays' offer would be their largest financial commitment to a player since they gave first baseman Carlos Delgado (http://tsn.ca/mlb/player_bio.asp?player_id=272) a $68-million, four-year deal after the 2000 season.

"We will not talk about contract negotiations," Paul Godfrey, the team president, said Wednesday. "We're not going to make any comments."
Wells batted .303 last year with 32 homers and 106 RBIs while winning his second straight Gold Glove.


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Pretty huge. Hopefully he takes it.

[FakeLaser]

I will stab Brian Cashman if this deal goes down:

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review believes Mike Gonzalez could go to the Yankees in a three-team deal with the Braves.

Pittsburgh would get Adam LaRoche and Kyle Davies from the Braves. Going to Atlanta would be Melky Cabrera and Scott Proctor from the Yankees and Jose Castillo from the Pirates. The Red Sox and Diamondbacks are also interested in Gonzalez, and the Braves may not have ruled out trading for him for themselves.

I wouldn't trade Cabrera or Proctor by themself for Gonzalaz. What the hell?

What do we need Gonzalaz for? We have 4 very capable setup guys in Farnsworth, Bruney, Proctor and Britton.

Cabrera is our best defensive outfielder and should take over for one of our outfielders one day.

[Joey Slugs]

Daisuke Matsuzaka is definitely headed to Boston ... and he's apparently headed for the Red Sox roster, too. Sox officials are on a plane with the 26-year-old Japanese ace, and a deal appears near. Story (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2696321)

[Joey Slugs]

Reports are that it's 6 years/$52 million.

[Dragon]

Wow, I knew a deal would get done but that is a pretty huge bargain in this market. 8.7 million/year seems like a steal even though he hasn't pitched a single game yet.

I was really hoping Boras would get his way on the short deal or at least the 15 million a year, but Boston must have known Boras couldn't do much. Matsuzaka wanted to pitch here, the Japanese team wanted their 51 million and Boston wanted Matsuzaka. Hopefully he is a bust now lol

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N611JW

lol, the plane landed 22 minutes ago (found that site from a bulletin posted by 'SoxSpace' on MySpace) in the town next to mine. MATUSZAKA MANIA

I guess Boras was trying to get the Red Sox to sign Chan Ho Park for a reliever role too...ahh I dunno 'bout all that. He had like a 4+ ERA at PetCo

[FakeLaser]

Sounds like a pretty good deal. You know, except for the $51 million part.

[Joey Slugs]

I saw that flight thing on the Dirt Dogs site as well... it'll be interesting to see if the contract reports are true.

[ct2k]

If we give up Melky I'll fucking cry

[Gertner]

good to hear that the jays signed wells

[Gertner]

i don't see towers boucning back really. he's a control pitcher with no velocity on his pitches. If he's off just a little bit he gets hammered

[FakeLaser]

Not only are the Mariners taking on $12 million of Jose Vidro's $16 million salary for the next two years, they're also going to give him a vesting option for 2009 to make up for him waiving his no-trade clause.

It just keeps getting better. At least the Mariners didn't give up talent when they brought in Carl Everett to DH last season. The trade sending Vidro to Seattle for Chris Snelling and Emiliano Fruto is set to be officially announced on Thursday.
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I don't know anything about the prospects, but what a terrible move by the Mariners. I'm assuming Vidro will start at 1st base or DH because there's no way Jose Lopez isn't playing second base next year. They should just keep Ben Broussard, he's a lot more likely to stay healthy and has a better bat than Vidro at this point. I'm guessing Broussard will be traded now.

This means Cristian Guzman is starting for the Nationals again, lol.

[FakeLaser]

lol @ Guzman's 2005 stats. Probably the worst numbers ever put up by a starter.

.219/.260/.319 with 4 HR, 31 RBI 39 R, 76 K's and 25 BB's in 468 AB.

Wow, a .260 OBP.

[OssMan]

I bet everyone is gonna say the Nationals will win like 45 games this year, but it will probably be around 70

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Red Sox Rotation looks like this right now;
Schilling
Papelbon
Beckett
Wakefield
Matsuzaka

Potential line up;
Lugo
Youkilis
Ortiz
Manny
Drew
Lowell
Crisp
Varitek
Pedoria

Dunno how have the bullpen is going to shape up, Lester is going to be back so I could see him going long relief/emergency starter, or maybe moving him back to the rotation (if he is ready) and moving Papelbon back to the pen. A lot weighing on some big ifs for the rotation, 2 older pitchers (Schilling and Wakefield), an unkwown (Matsuzaka) and a guy coming off a real disappointing year (Beckett)

We'll see what happens

http://www.sullystees.com/myspace/DICE-K-PROMO.jpg

[Joey Slugs]

:lol: love the new shirts.

[Dragon]

Boston's rotation has the potential to be ridiculous. All of the starters have the potential to be top 1-2 starters (Besides Wakefield obviously). There is a lot of question marks but the potential is there. It depends on if Beckett bounces back, Matsuzaka transitions to the MLB well and if Papelbon can shift back into the rotation no problem. I know he was a starter before, but he has been in the bullpen the past year.

The bullpen is another story. All they have done is take away from it this offseason so far. And the piece they took away was huge in Papelbon. Unless they get a couple quality arms they will have some trouble, everyone knows how bad it was last year.

[YOUR Hero]

Vernon, please take that deal.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think it'd be a real bad sign for Toronto if he doesn't. I mean its a huge ass contract, if he turns it down I dunno. Sort of shows he thinks that Toronto can't be a contender

[MVP]

The chances of Toronto being a contender without him are really poor. I don't think Halladay and Overbay carry the team alone.

[OssMan]

Dice-K are you serious, what a retarded name, does his name even sound like that. Maybe Manny Ramirez should go by Man-E now. Yeah, that'd be awesome.

[RoXer]

Andrew Dice K

[FakeLaser]

lol

[OssMan]

andrew WK subscribed to my xanga :(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Dice-K are you serious, what a retarded name, does his name even sound like that. Maybe Manny Ramirez should go by Man-E now. Yeah, that'd be awesome.
Yes his name sounds exactly like "Dice-K"

didn't get what you ment by "Man-E" right off the bat but now I do lol

[FakeLaser]

Mariners continue to look retarded:

Mariners signed RHP Miguel Batista, who had been with the Diamondbacks, to a three-year contract.

Terms haven't been released, but the deal is worth $24 million-$27 million. Batista had a 4.80 ERA while being used mostly as a starter with the Jays in 2004 and a 4.58 ERA in a hitter's park in the NL last year. Even with Safeco helping him, it seems unlikely that he'll get under 4.50 next year. At least he is durable, even if last year was the first in his career in which he threw 200 innings. It's just an awful lot of money to spend on a fourth starter.

Also:

The Rays are close to finalizing a three-year deal with import Akinori Iwamura.

An option for a fourth year is expected to be included. The two sides have until midnight Friday to make the deal official.

[YOUR Hero]

The only reason Vernon wouldn't take that deal has nothing to do with whether or not he thinks Toronto is a contender, it has to do with him thinking he can get more money as a free agent.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wouldn't that contract make him the 6th highest paid player in baseball? You really think he is going to get more?

[YOUR Hero]

It's not what I think, it's what he (and his agent) think.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Do you think he thinks another team is gonna offer him more though? I can't think of a team that could use a CF and has that type of money.

[YOUR Hero]

Texas, Anaheim, Boston, Philadelphia, Seattle (next year), Atlanta(next year), there are tons. And who says he doesn't move to RF or LF. People look at the offensive stats, not the position of outfielders too much.

[McDoogle]

I was watching on sportsnet that sources say Vernon has agreed to the deal, they're just getting final approval from Ted Rogers. I would have thought that they had that first before even offering the contract but apparently not.

[BCWWF]

The thing is, if Vernon was being signed by another team, I don't think he would be worth that much, but for Toronto to resign him, I think he is.

Does that theory make sense to anybody else? Like I think overpaying somebody to come in and expect them to help your team is a lot different than overpaying somebody who has been with you for a while and who clearly fits into your teams success.

[FakeLaser]

Some more news:

Red Sox acquired RHP Brendan Donnelly from the Angels for LHP Phil Seibel.

Red Sox signed LHP J.C. Romero, who had been with the Angels, to a one-year contract.


Astros announced the retirement of first baseman Jeff Bagwell.

Bagwell didn't finish with 500 homers or a .300 average, but he needs to go into the Hall of Fame, probably on the first ballot. In 15 seasons, he hit .297/.408/.540 with 449 homers, 1.529 RBI and 1,517 runs scored. His OPS ranks 24th all-time, and much of his production came in the Astrodome, a pitcher's park. Over a two-season span in 1999-2000, he hit 89 homers, scored 295 runs and drove in 262. His 152 runs in 2000 is the highest total anyone's managed since Lou Gehrig in 1936. However, he was at his absolute best in 1994, hitting .368/.451/.750 with 116 RBI in 110 games before a broken hand ended his season even before the strike could. He was the unanimous MVP that year anyway, and he also finished second in 1999 and third in 1997.

Devil Rays signed infielder Akinori Iwamura to a three-year, $7.7 million contract.

Iwamura will make $1.8 million in 2007, $2.4 million in 2008 and $3.25 million in 2009. The club has a $4.25 million option for 2010 with a $250,000 buyout. Once the deal ends, Iwamura is expected to become a free agent, even though he won't have the requisite six years of service time. Iwamura is likely to play third base for the Rays. His power probably isn't going to translate so well to the U.S., so he might be below average offensively. However, he could make up for it with his glove. A switch to second base is a possibility later, especially if Evan Longoria gets off to a fast start in the minors.

Cubs signed first baseman-outfielder Daryle Ward, who had been with the Braves, to a one-year contract with a mutual option for 2008.

[BCWWF]

I think those are two potentially good signings by the Red Sox, but it could also bite them. Donnely was lights out prior to his run in with The Miz, but wasn't he pretty off last season? If the Red Sox can instill some confidence and get him back up to the top of his game, he is a good guy. Romero seems like he is always streaky, but he has the potential to be a real solid setup man, and I definitely see him doing something well in the Red Sox system.

[YOUR Hero]

Those are two good bullpenpen pick ups. They'll have to rebound some to be real gems, but yeah, they should do good.

[FakeLaser]

I keep hearing about this Melky Cabrera for Mike Gonzalas deal. I DON'T GET IT. Our bullpen is pretty stacked and Gonzalas has never thrown a meaningful pitch in his career. Melky Cabrera was a HUGE part of our success last year.

[Dragon]

Yeah, don't understand it at all. Hopefully Cashman is just driving up the price for Boston because that deal makes no sense at all.

[YOUR Hero]

It's now official, Wells agreed to the terms of the deal. Now if they can get another decent starter somehow...

[ct2k]

I'm sure Chicago will be willing to trade away what starting pitching the have left for some peanuts Hero

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>LOL the Boston Herald is reporting that J.D. Drew has failed his physical, putting his 5-year, $70 million contract in jeopardy.</font> :lol:

[FakeLaser]

LOL the Boston Herald is reporting that J.D. Drew has failed his physical, putting his 5-year, $70 million contract in jeopardy. :lol:
lol, what a shock.

I hope they sign him anyway.

[FakeLaser]

Kei Igawa's contract with the Yankees will be worth $20 million over four years, according to the New York Daily News.

The New York Times said yesterday it was $20 million for five years. We'll find out who was right when the deal is finalized, likely on Monday.

According to the New York Post, there's nothing to the rumors that Randy Johnson would prefer to be dealt to a team closer to his home in Arizona.

The Yankees would probably consider trading Johnson under the right circumstances, but it's unlikely anything will happen. GM Brian Cashman denied that Johnson had asked for a trade, as did one of Johnson's agents. "There is nothing coming out of our camp," agent Alan Nero said. "I don't know where rumors start."

The New York Daily News says that the Yankees, Braves and Pirates haven't discussed a three-team Mike Gonzalez deal at all during the last few days.

That's what we were hearing Friday before multiple reports Saturday made it sound like a deal wasn't far away. The Daily News says there might be more talks next week. However, if something does happen, it could end up being a two-team deal, with Gonzalez going to the Yankees and Melky Cabrera being surrendered in return. Instead of going to Pittsburgh, Adam LaRoche may yet go to Baltimore for Brian Roberts, according to the AP.

White Sox signed catcher Toby Hall, who had been with the Dodgers, to a two-year, $3.65 million contract with a club option for 2009.

Braden Looper is excited about entering spring training as a starting pitcher.

"I'm giddy, really," he said. The left-handed hitters of the five other teams in the NL Central feel the same way. Looper likely will be used as a starter in spring training even if the Cardinals add another pitcher to their rotation. "He's durable. He's stronger," GM Walt Jocketty said. "He has three or four quality pitches that he could better use in a starting role. [Pitching coach] Dave Duncan feels very strongly that he has all the assets it takes to be a quality starter." Which is why he's made 17 starts in 713 appearances dating back to his college days.

Discussions between the Pirates and Jeff Suppan's representatives have diminished in recent days, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

The Pirates may be focusing on someone they have a better chance of signing, Joel Pineiro. The Giants and Brewers are the current favorites for Suppan, but there may be more suitors out there. Don't rule out the Jays.

While the Tigers deny it, the Detroit Free Press believes Joel Zumaya may eventually be put into the rotation.

The paper suggests that it might be a necessary step in keeping him healthy, as he's a maximum effort guy in the pen but would be forced to tone it down a bit as a starter. Zumaya was a starter in the minors and had plenty of potential in that role, but it's unlikely he'll be making a switch back anytime soon. He's probably the Tigers' closer of the future.

[DaveWadding]

According to the New York Post, there's nothing to the rumors that Randy Johnson would prefer to be dealt to a team closer to his home in Arizona.

The Yankees would probably consider trading Johnson under the right circumstances, but it's unlikely anything will happen. GM Brian Cashman denied that Johnson had asked for a trade, as did one of Johnson's agents. "There is nothing coming out of our camp," agent Alan Nero said. "I don't know where rumors start."


http://www.hickoksports.com/images/johnson_randy.jpg

:wave:

[YOUR Hero]

LOLz, I hope DL Drew fails his physical, is left unsigned. Honest to god, it would be the best Xmas present ever.

[FakeLaser]

LOLz, I hope DL Drew fails his physical, is left unsigned. Honest to god, it would be the best Xmas present ever.
No, we want him to sign with Boston so he can be on their DL all year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Everyone already hates JD Drew in Boston, if they are going to sign an often injuried outfielder why not just bring back Trot Nixon? Everyone loves him here atleast. Plus it'd be a lot cheaper

Just a random thought about the Red Sox bullpen, do you guys think any of the young guys they had up last year could possibly turn it around "Detriot Tigers young guys" style? I can personally see Hansen and Declaremen pitching a lot better then they did last year.

[YOUR Hero]

No, we want him to sign with Boston so he can be on their DL all year.

I want bad things to happen to Drew, not the RedSox. Him not getting signed after opting out of his Dodger contract would be most amazing.

[BCWWF]

LOLz, I hope DL Drew fails his physical, is left unsigned. Honest to god, it would be the best Xmas present ever.

1. I hate to say it, but you are far too old to ever say LOLz, even as a joke.

2. It's J. D. L :mad:

[YOUR Hero]

Really? Then how come I was able to, Zima Boy

[YOUR Hero]

2. You suck

[BCWWF]

Hero, I think you'd like to try Zima sometime too, lets do it sometime?

[YOUR Hero]

That's very 'on-line predator' of you.

[FakeLaser]

Everyone already hates JD Drew in Boston, if they are going to sign an often injuried outfielder why not just bring back Trot Nixon? Everyone loves him here atleast. Plus it'd be a lot cheaper

Just a random thought about the Red Sox bullpen, do you guys think any of the young guys they had up last year could possibly turn it around "Detriot Tigers young guys" style? I can personally see Hansen and Declaremen pitching a lot better then they did last year.
I think Hansen will be a lot better. I don't know too much about Declareman. Neither of them will be Zumayas but they could turn it around big time like Scott Proctor or some shit.

[DaveWadding]

I think Hansen will be a lot better. I don't know too much about Declareman. Neither of them will be Zumayas but they could turn it around big time like Scott Proctor or some shit.

Depends. How much Guitar Hero do Hansen & Delcarmen play?

:shifty:

[FakeLaser]

ah cha cha cha cha cha

[OssMan]

Manny Del Carmen

[MVP]

I'm more confident about Delcarmen than Hansen. Hansen is apparently a huge headcase.

[MVP]

As for Johnson being traded, I know it's not gonna happen, but I don't think it would hurt their rotation very much because it's already ridiculous as it is with Wang/Moose/Pettite provided they all have good seasons. I think Johnson showed he's way past his prime last season regardless of his back problems, and he's not gonna add much to the team this year. Although, he is good as a 4th or 5th starter.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Wilpon, Minaya, and two others are heading to California to meet with Zito. And David Wright has essentially challenged Zito, saying "Why wouldn't you want to play here?"

I'm fucking antsy. Hopefully they don't give him any longer than 5 years, but I say do what you need to to sign him. Without him our rotation is shit.</font>

[FakeLaser]

I think Zito would be great for the Mets. You should give him whatever he wants.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/MLB/2006/05/15/m051538A.jpg

[FakeLaser]

Jeremy Bonderman's four-year deal with the Tigers is worth $38 million, according to The Associated Press.

Giants signed first baseman Ryan Klesko, who had been with the Padres, to a one-year contract.

Rangers signed RHP Eric Gagne, who had been with the Dodgers, to a one-year, $6 million contract.

Marcus Giles is set to sign a one-year deal with the Padres, according to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

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Phillies signed outfielder Jayson Werth, who had been with the Dodgers, to a one-year, $850,000 contract.

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ESPN's Buster Olney says the Yankees have been in contact with Mark Loretta about their opening at first base.

Marlins GM Larry Beinfest said recently that he still sees Travis Bowyer as a closer of the future.


The Cardinals' only offer to keep free agent Jeff Suppan was for less than $20 million over three years.

Jeff Weaver is a better bet than Suppan to stay in St. Louis. The Brewers and Giants are the leading candidates for Suppan right now. If the Blue Jays are interested, they've been keeping it quiet lately.

Brad Radke will announce his retirement at a press conference Tuesday.

[OssMan]

yyyyYYYYYES so glad the mets didnt sign giles, i cant stand any more braves players.

[BCWWF]

Marcus Giles is the shit, good signing for the Padres IMO

[YOUR Hero]

Giles brothers unite.

... Yeah I can't understand my suddenly Marcus fell out of favour.

[BCWWF]

I think it was more a money issue than anything else.

[FakeLaser]

He did put up pretty bad numbers last year too.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Heard the Red Sox are trying to put something in JD Drews contract to protect themselves from a long DL stint. Ivan Rodriguez has something like this, I bet they are going try to do something like if he is on the DL with a shoulder injury for more then 60 days then they can terminate the contract. I'm not gonna lie, I really don't know much about the guy, but if they are keeping Wily Mo, Manny and Coco is he really worth this much money even without the injury questions? How much is he really going to play?

[FakeLaser]

I think I would have rather signed a veteran like Luis Gonzalez, Moises Alou or Kenny Lofton for a fraction of the price (and contract length) to platoon with Willy Mo, who could start against lefties or if the veteran goes down.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I could see if they traded Manny and wanted to get this guy, but from what I've been seeing Manny is stayin in Boston so I don't really get it. Why not use that money elsewhere? (like signing Nomar Garicaparra :( )

Also, is JD Drew even that good?

[FakeLaser]

JD Drew could be a 5 tool player but he's always hurt. If you guys sign him and he stays healthy he could be a great addition. He never stays healthy though. He's had one season with 500 AB in his career, for Atlanta. Hit .305/.436/.539 with 31 HR, 96 RBIs and 12 SBs. The talent is there, he just never makes it through an entire season.

Shit, the guy has only had 4 seasons with at least 400 at bats, in 9 seasons.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Damn, everyone already hates him here in Boston. Plus a lot of people are pissed since they are letting Nixon walk (because injury history) for a guy with an injury history of his own. From what I've heard, Drew is better then Nixon but people in the Bean don't care...Nixon was a huge fan favorite here.

[YOUR Hero]

Nixon might have had injury problems, but he played hard. Drew does not. Drew has way more talent, but... Drew has in the past taken the day off because of a sore neck that he got from sleeping wrong. Come on man.

[YOUR Hero]

I have heard that Boston only signed Drew to appease Boras while still dealing for K-Dice, but they always felt Drew would fail the physical. Don't know if there's any truth to this at all, but it's an LOL conspiracy theory.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I don't think so, since it seems they are still going to sign Drew even though they already have Matsuzaka

Not sure if you followed the Red Sox very closely but Nixon often hurt himself doing things like swinging a bat, running to first etc. I always thought he was on steriods personally, and still do. A lot of poeple would be like "WHAT NO WAY MAN ITS TROT!!" but I don't know, I'm not as big as a Trot fan as a lot of other people in Boston. I don't get how you can be a major league player and absolutely have no chance of hitting a lefty, like he was an automatic out againest a lefty. To me that's kinda ridiculous.

[BCWWF]

I really hope Drew fails and isn't signed, just because he opted out of a great contract with the Dodgers when he absolutely did not deserve better. Greedy ass hole.

[Boondock Saint]

Yeah I don't think so, since it seems they are still going to sign Drew even though they already have Matsuzaka

Not sure if you followed the Red Sox very closely but Nixon often hurt himself doing things like swinging a bat, running to first etc. I always thought he was on steriods personally, and still do. A lot of poeple would be like "WHAT NO WAY MAN ITS TROT!!" but I don't know, I'm not as big as a Trot fan as a lot of other people in Boston. I don't get how you can be a major league player and absolutely have no chance of hitting a lefty, like he was an automatic out againest a lefty. To me that's kinda ridiculous.

WHAT NO WAY MAN ITS TROT!!

[treen007]

why would the sox ever sign nomar after all that went down. and why would nomar want to come back.

bring back dave roberts and o.cab!

Wooooo!

[Adder]

I'm reading that Boras is saying that there is nothing wrong with Drew's shoulder. Also it doesn't appear the original deal had anything about milestones being reached for Drew to make less money than the 14M per year. That's foolish on the RedSox' part. All it states is that if Drew does meet certain targets, some of the contracts last season of 14M could be deffered. So he'd still get every penney, basically a garaunteed contract with possible defferement in the last season's earnings. Again, that's a foolish agreement by the RedSoxdifferedpennyguaranteeddeferment.

[YOUR Hero]

Sammy Sosa


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>Sammy Sosa begins training for return to major leagues</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER type="block" height="1" width="1"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>By DIONISIO SOLDEVILA, Associated Press Writer
December 21, 2006



SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP) -- Sammy Sosa (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/4344/) began training Thursday in hopes of returning to the major leagues.
"I feel like I did when I was a rookie," Sosa told The Associated Press. "I have a lot of spirit and a desire to return. I think I can play three or four more years in the form I am now."

Sosa hit the ball out of the park 15 times while training at a field in San Pedro de Macoris that is operated by the Japanese league's Hiroshima Carp.

The 38-year-old slugger said he had received calls from teams interested in signing him but declined to reveal their names.

He has not played since his 2005 season with the Baltimore Orioles (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/bal/), when he hit .221 with 14 home runs and 45 RBIs.

Sosa feels that baseball has since turned its back on him, calling it a "blow" to not have received offers to come back during this year's season.
The only team that has publicly expressed interest in the Dominican's services were the Washington Nationals (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/was/), who offered a non-guaranteed $500,000 contract that Sosa rejected.

"I want the chance and I believe one is going to appear. This time I will accept an offer like the one with the Nationals because I want to get back to the majors," he said.

Sosa, who won the National League's most valuable player award, played 17 seasons with the Texas Rangers (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/tex/), Chicago White Sox (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/chw/) and Cubs and finally with Baltimore.
A year away from the game wouldn't shake him, he said. "Ted Williams went to war and lost a couple years. More recently, Barry Bonds (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/3918/) stayed away for more than a year and came back, and the same happened with Frank Thomas (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/4527/) because of injuries," he said.
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[CNM]

LOL @ Sammy comparing himself to Ted Williams

[MVP]

The Devil Rays can have Sosa.

[Adder]

I read on Yahoo Sports this morning that Dontrelle Willis was arrested for DUI in Miami last night. Wonder if that will affect his standing on the team and what not.

[FakeLaser]

Ken Griffey Jr. suffered a broken left hand during an accident at his Orlando home.

lol, terrible. Might be time to call it quits, Mr. Griffey.

[ClockShot]

Yankees make a rather quiet pick up. Infielder Juan Miranda out of cuba.

Here's the details. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2706395

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Trade to be completed soon:

Yankees get: LHP Mike Gonzalez

Pirates get: 1B Adam LaRoche

Braves get: OF Melky Cabrera and either OF Nate McClouth or 2B Jose Castillo</font>

[FakeLaser]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[FakeLaser]

Where did you hear that, Vito? They've been saying for like a week that that trade isn't going down anymore.

[FakeLaser]

Other news:

Juan Rivera sustained a broken left tibia while playing winter ball in Venezuela on Friday.

Rivera's left leg has been placed in a cast and he will be flown to Miami, where he will be re-examined by a trauma specialist tomorrow. Depending on how severe the break is, he might not be ready for the beginning of the season. If he is ready, at least the Angels will finally have a good excuse for using him as a DH and Garret Anderson in the outfield. A severe break would increase the chances that the Angels sign Shea Hillenbrand and might cause them to give Aubrey Huff's agent a call.

According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, Keith Foulke is leaning toward signing with Cleveland, though a deal likely will not be completed until after Christmas.

Two sources familiar with the situation told the Dayton Daily News that Ken Griffey Jr. broke his left hand while playing with his kids.

It's likely, though not certain, that Griffey will be ready for the beginning of the exhibition season. The Reds, however, will want to limit his spring training action either way.

Free agent Shea Hillenbrand is frustrated with the Yankees, saying he was told multiple times they would make an offer though they've yet to do so.

Hillenbrand told The Star-Ledger on Thursday he thought the Yankees were no longer looking to sign him because of his defense. A Yankees official denied that, but it might be more likely that Hillenbrand joins the Angels.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Brandon McCarthy has been traded to the Rangers for 3 prospects

Pretty puzzling trade seeing as the entire reason Freddy Garcia was traded was to give B-Mac a rotation spot</font>

[FakeLaser]

Wow, that is a weird deal. They've been grooming McCarthy for the rotation for years now.

[BCWWF]

It's hard to say though, because a lot of times a young pitchers potential is clouded by hype. Like just because he is 23 and a pretty good pitcher doesn't mean that he is neccessarily going to be Buehrle-esque in the future. The Twins have had a lot of guys like that, Scott Baker being the best example. You hear the stories of how he shot through the minors and all that, then he gets to the majors with all these expectations, but then you quickly realize he isn't an ace. So if that is the case with the White Sox, they probably made a good move here.

[YOUR Hero]

Fucking Hillenbrand. The guy's got talent, but what a loud-mouthed asshole.

[BCWWF]

Like the Miz :shifty:

[DaveWadding]

MILWAUKEE -- Jeff Suppan (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5454), the MVP of the NL Championship Series for the St. Louis Cardinals (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=stl) this season, has signed a four-year free agent contract with the Milwaukee Brewers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=mil).

According to The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the deal is worth $42 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2707975 (http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2707975&name=FPT-2707975-122416&srvc=sz)

[YOUR Hero]

Good fit for Suppan there. Make a lot of money and not need to worry about winning a WS in Milwaukee. When I heard the Brewers were after him last week, I figured he'd land there. Pressure is off playing there so he can do his thing and then retire. He'd only be 35 at the end of the deal, so maybe not retire - if his numbers are halfway decent after this contract, which they should be, barring injury.