View Full Version : Does Shawn Green suck?
YOUR Hero
10-29-2006, 03:39 PM
You may or may not know that a year or two ago someone has put up a website on 'The Internets' that Shawn Green sucks. It seemed to me after that, that alot of people felt that since they read it on 'The Internets' that it must be true.
The site is gone now, too bad, because perhaps it could be used to prove or disprove this theory.
I shall take the side of the case that says Shawn Green does not suck.
I invite you people here to debate this topic with me.
I shall start my case, with some simple numbers. From there, we'll see where this thread goes.
Shawn Green does not suck because:
If you look up MLB baseball's top 500 homerun hitters of all time, you find Shawn Green ranked in the top 100, 98 to be exact. his 318 HRs rank him in that position.
Shawn Green is a member of quite an exclusive club. The 30-30 club, The other members of this club include players like; Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Bobby Bonds, Barry Bonds. Only 28 players have ever done this.
4 times in his career, Mr. Green drove in over 100 RBIs Hit more than 40 HRs 3 times. He has over 1000 career RBIs.
RoXer
10-29-2006, 04:52 PM
Have you ever seen him play defense? No? EXACTLY
DaveWadding
10-29-2006, 04:56 PM
Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
2003 30 LAD (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/2003.shtml) NL (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL_2003.shtml) 160 611 84 171 49 2 19 85 6 2 68 112 .280 .355 .460 281 0 6 2 6 18
2004 31 LAD (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/2004.shtml) NL (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL_2004.shtml) 157 590 92 157 28 1 28 86 5 2 71 114 .266 .352 .459 271 0 2 6 8 17
2005 32 ARI (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ARI/2005.shtml) NL (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL_2005.shtml) 158 581 87 166 37 4 22 73 8 4 62 95 .286 .355 .477 277 0 8 6 5 18
2006 33 TOT NL (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL_2006.shtml) 149 530 73 147 31 3 15 66 4 4 45 82 .277 .344 .432 229 0 3 5 10 17
<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>2003</TD><TD>Los Angeles Dodgers</TD><TD align=right>$15,666,667</TD></TR><TR><TD>2004</TD><TD>Los Angeles Dodgers</TD><TD align=right>$16,666,667</TD></TR><TR><TD>2005</TD><TD>Arizona Diamondbacks</TD><TD align=right>$7,833,333</TD></TR><TR><TD>2006</TD><TD>Arizona Diamondbacks</TD><TD align=right>$10,213,898</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
DaveWadding
10-29-2006, 04:58 PM
so where's this debate?
He's not an all-time great, but he also most certainly does not suck.
DaveWadding
10-29-2006, 05:13 PM
He's not an all-time great, but he also most certainly does not suck.
After having watched him for years, yes, he most certainly does.
YOUR Hero
10-29-2006, 05:49 PM
I'm not too sure, Dave if you are saying that because of his salary, he sucks? Is that your argument?
Shawn Green has won a gold glove in his career, that too would take away from the case that his defense is poor.
He put up his biggest numbers out in the Toronto wilderness too so people forget pretty quickly if they even realised in the first place.
YOUR Hero
10-29-2006, 06:20 PM
He holds the HR record (49) for the Dodgers.
DaveWadding
10-29-2006, 09:30 PM
He was roiding up. That's pretty obvious, Scot. I'm sorry that all the blood in your body is in your dick supporting your hard on for this guy and not in your brain, but it's the truth.
YOUR Hero
10-29-2006, 10:31 PM
What?
I have simply taken a player that has gotten a notoriety for 'sucking' and decided to make a debate topic out of it.
FakeLaser
10-29-2006, 10:42 PM
He just sucks now.
DaveWadding
10-29-2006, 11:08 PM
What?
I have simply taken a player that has gotten a notoriety for 'sucking' and decided to make a debate topic out of it.
Except there's no debate.
And the only reason anyone ever brings up Green to say anything other than HE SUCKS is you because you have a huge hard on for him.
Supreme Olajuwon
10-29-2006, 11:59 PM
Dave hates Jews
Jesus Shuttlesworth
10-30-2006, 12:03 AM
lol Wadding you are like the most miserable person on Earth or something.
RoXer
10-30-2006, 12:13 AM
Personally, I always hated him when he was on the D-Backs. It just seemed we paid way too much for a guy who didn't really produce and was beyond shitty in the field. Fine, he had a gold glove in '99 but I didn't see a hint of that when he was in AZ. I wonder if Vito or Assman, who follow the Mets regularly, feel as I do.
He holds the HR record (49) for the Dodgers.
Meh whatever, he started tailing off not long after, dunno if he was roiding or not, he never looked particularly bulky or anything.
Plus lets face it, most baseball fans dont give much more of a shit about the Dodgers than the Jays:p
Evil Vito
10-30-2006, 07:09 AM
<font color=goldenrod>Honestly I don't think Green has been that bad in a Mets uniform. Besides that, next season he'll be batting like 7th or 8th assuming we pick up Soriano or Carlos Lee
Reyes
Beltran (I love Paulie as the #2 hitter but that would mean bumping Wright down to 6th which I can't see happening)
Soriano/Lee
Delgado
Wright
Lo Duca
Then 7th will be Green most likely</font>
YOUR Hero
10-30-2006, 09:50 AM
I still fail to see how $$ = shitty. I've said it before, guys that are making tons of cash are getting what they negotiated for, they and their agents are not to blame for getting all they can. Beltre and Burnett are other oft brought up.
Now that Shawn Green has productive guys around him, you'll see his #'s go up next year. Oh and 'roids? come on, the guy is pretty thin for his frame.
Yeah sportsmen (baseball players particularly) take/took roids pretty much for one reason only and thats to bulk up, Green has never shown any of the signs of roid use.
He never hit 60 HR and batted 40 points above his career average for no apparent reason for one, and yes steroids can help in reaction times and such (for the Barry sympathisers out there)
DaveWadding
10-30-2006, 11:22 AM
Will someone kindly explain then how he went from 16 HRs to 42 HRs in 2 years then??
Well he had a lot more at bats in 98-99 than 97, and his numbers overall seemed to go up, SO's also went up at around the same rate as his HR so maybe it was just a case of him swinging away lot more. Hideki Matsui hit 18HR in his first season but he is clearly capable of hitting far more.
Meh, maybe he was taking something, but I'd be incredibly surprised if it was steroids
Infact from 03-04 Matsui went from 16 to 31 HR with 40 less at bats and also struck out a lot more
Same thing?
DaveWadding
10-30-2006, 11:50 AM
No, because Matsui had to adjust to the game here, Shawn Green was in Toronto all 3 years in question. No league switching or anything of that nature.
True, and Matsui was also already a seasoned pro I guess, Green wasn't, players take time to develope not everybody makes the kind of immediate impact that David Wright has this year. In all sports you see guys numbers go up increasingly in their early careers.
Also Green is 6ft 4, he's no small guy and so I don't see how given a decent lifting plan and work on his power game when he got to the big leagues that he couldn't reach his potential. If he'd been roiding you would have seen him literally double in size over the period of time from him hitting 16 to his career high of 49 for the Dodgers.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-30-2006, 02:58 PM
He's overpaid, that doesn't mean he sucks. He should have never left Toronto, he was his most effective in the smaller marker, and he thought he was a bigshot and left. He was hitting 40 homers (I think) and 100+ RBIs and then he left. He is still productive just not as productive as he should be, he's fuckin streaky. Instead of being an all time great he is like Danny Tartable or something.
Dave, you are just one big blubbering vagina. Go get a handjob or something.
Ol Dirty Dastard
10-30-2006, 02:59 PM
Will someone kindly explain then how he went from 16 HRs to 42 HRs in 2 years then??
Man, you can say that about so many people who aren't juiced. Fuck you are such a twit.
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