TPWW Forums  

Go Back   TPWW Forums > o f f t o p i c > sports forum
Reload this Page Does Shawn Green suck?
Register Members List

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-29-2006, 03:39 PM   #1
YOUR Hero
Adminstigator
 
YOUR Hero's Avatar
 
Posts: 102,491
YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Does Shawn Green suck?
You may or may not know that a year or two ago someone has put up a website on 'The Internets' that Shawn Green sucks. It seemed to me after that, that alot of people felt that since they read it on 'The Internets' that it must be true.

The site is gone now, too bad, because perhaps it could be used to prove or disprove this theory.

I shall take the side of the case that says Shawn Green does not suck.

I invite you people here to debate this topic with me.

I shall start my case, with some simple numbers. From there, we'll see where this thread goes.

Shawn Green does not suck because:

If you look up MLB baseball's top 500 homerun hitters of all time, you find Shawn Green ranked in the top 100, 98 to be exact. his 318 HRs rank him in that position.

Shawn Green is a member of quite an exclusive club. The 30-30 club, The other members of this club include players like; Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Bobby Bonds, Barry Bonds. Only 28 players have ever done this.

4 times in his career, Mr. Green drove in over 100 RBIs Hit more than 40 HRs 3 times. He has over 1000 career RBIs.

Last edited by YOUR Hero; 10-29-2006 at 03:44 PM.
YOUR Hero is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 04:52 PM   #2
RoXer
History's Greatest, Mr. E
 
RoXer's Avatar
 
Posts: 42,425
RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Have you ever seen him play defense? No? EXACTLY
Last edited by RoXer; 10-29-2006 at 05:02 PM.
RoXer is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 04:56 PM   #3
DaveWadding
LIMITLESS
 
DaveWadding's Avatar
 
Posts: 32,276
DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
2003 30 LAD NL 160 611 84 171 49 2 19 85 6 2 68 112 .280 .355 .460 281 0 6 2 6 18
2004 31 LAD NL 157 590 92 157 28 1 28 86 5 2 71 114 .266 .352 .459 271 0 2 6 8 17
2005 32 ARI NL 158 581 87 166 37 4 22 73 8 4 62 95 .286 .355 .477 277 0 8 6 5 18
2006 33 TOT NL 149 530 73 147 31 3 15 66 4 4 45 82 .277 .344 .432 229 0 3 5 10 17

2003Los Angeles Dodgers$15,666,667
2004Los Angeles Dodgers$16,666,667
2005Arizona Diamondbacks$7,833,333
2006Arizona Diamondbacks$10,213,898
DaveWadding is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 04:58 PM   #4
DaveWadding
LIMITLESS
 
DaveWadding's Avatar
 
Posts: 32,276
DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
so where's this debate?
DaveWadding is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 05:00 PM   #5
ct2k
Triple A
 
Posts: 48,551
ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
He's not an all-time great, but he also most certainly does not suck.
ct2k is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 05:13 PM   #6
DaveWadding
LIMITLESS
 
DaveWadding's Avatar
 
Posts: 32,276
DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ct2k
He's not an all-time great, but he also most certainly does not suck.
After having watched him for years, yes, he most certainly does.
DaveWadding is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 05:49 PM   #7
YOUR Hero
Adminstigator
 
YOUR Hero's Avatar
 
Posts: 102,491
YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
I'm not too sure, Dave if you are saying that because of his salary, he sucks? Is that your argument?

Shawn Green has won a gold glove in his career, that too would take away from the case that his defense is poor.
YOUR Hero is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 06:16 PM   #8
ct2k
Triple A
 
Posts: 48,551
ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
He put up his biggest numbers out in the Toronto wilderness too so people forget pretty quickly if they even realised in the first place.
ct2k is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 06:20 PM   #9
YOUR Hero
Adminstigator
 
YOUR Hero's Avatar
 
Posts: 102,491
YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
He holds the HR record (49) for the Dodgers.
YOUR Hero is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 09:30 PM   #10
DaveWadding
LIMITLESS
 
DaveWadding's Avatar
 
Posts: 32,276
DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
He was roiding up. That's pretty obvious, Scot. I'm sorry that all the blood in your body is in your dick supporting your hard on for this guy and not in your brain, but it's the truth.
DaveWadding is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 10:31 PM   #11
YOUR Hero
Adminstigator
 
YOUR Hero's Avatar
 
Posts: 102,491
YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
What?

I have simply taken a player that has gotten a notoriety for 'sucking' and decided to make a debate topic out of it.
YOUR Hero is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 10:42 PM   #12
FakeLaser
continental drift
 
FakeLaser's Avatar
 
Posts: 46,731
FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)FakeLaser makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
He just sucks now.
FakeLaser is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 11:08 PM   #13
DaveWadding
LIMITLESS
 
DaveWadding's Avatar
 
Posts: 32,276
DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOUR Hero
What?

I have simply taken a player that has gotten a notoriety for 'sucking' and decided to make a debate topic out of it.
Except there's no debate.

And the only reason anyone ever brings up Green to say anything other than HE SUCKS is you because you have a huge hard on for him.
DaveWadding is offline  
Old 10-29-2006, 11:59 PM   #14
Supreme Olajuwon
You know that’s right
 
Supreme Olajuwon's Avatar
 
Posts: 52,760
Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Supreme Olajuwon makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Dave hates Jews
Supreme Olajuwon is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 12:03 AM   #15
Jesus Shuttlesworth
 
Jesus Shuttlesworth's Avatar
 
Posts: 42,765
Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Jesus Shuttlesworth got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)
lol Wadding you are like the most miserable person on Earth or something.
Jesus Shuttlesworth is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 12:13 AM   #16
RoXer
History's Greatest, Mr. E
 
RoXer's Avatar
 
Posts: 42,425
RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)RoXer makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Personally, I always hated him when he was on the D-Backs. It just seemed we paid way too much for a guy who didn't really produce and was beyond shitty in the field. Fine, he had a gold glove in '99 but I didn't see a hint of that when he was in AZ. I wonder if Vito or Assman, who follow the Mets regularly, feel as I do.
RoXer is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 05:34 AM   #17
ct2k
Triple A
 
Posts: 48,551
ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOUR Hero
He holds the HR record (49) for the Dodgers.
Meh whatever, he started tailing off not long after, dunno if he was roiding or not, he never looked particularly bulky or anything.

Plus lets face it, most baseball fans dont give much more of a shit about the Dodgers than the Jays
ct2k is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 07:09 AM   #18
Evil Vito
President of Freedonia
 
Evil Vito's Avatar
 
Posts: 58,329
Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Evil Vito makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Honestly I don't think Green has been that bad in a Mets uniform. Besides that, next season he'll be batting like 7th or 8th assuming we pick up Soriano or Carlos Lee

Reyes
Beltran (I love Paulie as the #2 hitter but that would mean bumping Wright down to 6th which I can't see happening)
Soriano/Lee
Delgado
Wright
Lo Duca

Then 7th will be Green most likely
Evil Vito is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 09:50 AM   #19
YOUR Hero
Adminstigator
 
YOUR Hero's Avatar
 
Posts: 102,491
YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)YOUR Hero makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
I still fail to see how $$ = shitty. I've said it before, guys that are making tons of cash are getting what they negotiated for, they and their agents are not to blame for getting all they can. Beltre and Burnett are other oft brought up.
Now that Shawn Green has productive guys around him, you'll see his #'s go up next year. Oh and 'roids? come on, the guy is pretty thin for his frame.
YOUR Hero is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 10:19 AM   #20
ct2k
Triple A
 
Posts: 48,551
ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Yeah sportsmen (baseball players particularly) take/took roids pretty much for one reason only and thats to bulk up, Green has never shown any of the signs of roid use.

He never hit 60 HR and batted 40 points above his career average for no apparent reason for one, and yes steroids can help in reaction times and such (for the Barry sympathisers out there)
ct2k is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 11:22 AM   #21
DaveWadding
LIMITLESS
 
DaveWadding's Avatar
 
Posts: 32,276
DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Will someone kindly explain then how he went from 16 HRs to 42 HRs in 2 years then??
DaveWadding is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 11:33 AM   #22
ct2k
Triple A
 
Posts: 48,551
ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Well he had a lot more at bats in 98-99 than 97, and his numbers overall seemed to go up, SO's also went up at around the same rate as his HR so maybe it was just a case of him swinging away lot more. Hideki Matsui hit 18HR in his first season but he is clearly capable of hitting far more.

Meh, maybe he was taking something, but I'd be incredibly surprised if it was steroids
ct2k is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 11:34 AM   #23
ct2k
Triple A
 
Posts: 48,551
ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Infact from 03-04 Matsui went from 16 to 31 HR with 40 less at bats and also struck out a lot more

Same thing?
ct2k is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 11:50 AM   #24
DaveWadding
LIMITLESS
 
DaveWadding's Avatar
 
Posts: 32,276
DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DaveWadding makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
No, because Matsui had to adjust to the game here, Shawn Green was in Toronto all 3 years in question. No league switching or anything of that nature.
DaveWadding is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 12:00 PM   #25
ct2k
Triple A
 
Posts: 48,551
ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)ct2k makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
True, and Matsui was also already a seasoned pro I guess, Green wasn't, players take time to develope not everybody makes the kind of immediate impact that David Wright has this year. In all sports you see guys numbers go up increasingly in their early careers.

Also Green is 6ft 4, he's no small guy and so I don't see how given a decent lifting plan and work on his power game when he got to the big leagues that he couldn't reach his potential. If he'd been roiding you would have seen him literally double in size over the period of time from him hitting 16 to his career high of 49 for the Dodgers.
ct2k is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 02:58 PM   #26
Ol Dirty Dastard
boop/bop/beep
 
Ol Dirty Dastard's Avatar
 
Posts: 38,430
Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
He's overpaid, that doesn't mean he sucks. He should have never left Toronto, he was his most effective in the smaller marker, and he thought he was a bigshot and left. He was hitting 40 homers (I think) and 100+ RBIs and then he left. He is still productive just not as productive as he should be, he's fuckin streaky. Instead of being an all time great he is like Danny Tartable or something.

Dave, you are just one big blubbering vagina. Go get a handjob or something.
Ol Dirty Dastard is offline  
Old 10-30-2006, 02:59 PM   #27
Ol Dirty Dastard
boop/bop/beep
 
Ol Dirty Dastard's Avatar
 
Posts: 38,430
Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ol Dirty Dastard makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveWadding
Will someone kindly explain then how he went from 16 HRs to 42 HRs in 2 years then??
Man, you can say that about so many people who aren't juiced. Fuck you are such a twit.
Ol Dirty Dastard is offline  
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:06 AM.

Forums Home - TPWW - Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin®