View Full Version : How overbooked is John Cena?
St. Jimmy
12-07-2006, 04:23 PM
Accomplishments in WWE:
3 US Champion
3 Time WWE Champion (JBL, Edge, RVD)
Makes Triple H Submit at WM (Retains WWE Title)
Retains in Elimination Chamber
Is Kafaybe responsible for the firing of Chris Jericho
FU'd the Big Show.
His own movie.
His own rap album.
How fucking over would anyone else be if they put this much time into them?
Didn't Booker win the C of C match?
The One
12-07-2006, 04:34 PM
Actually not to nit pick, he is a 3-time WWE Champion, JBL to Cena to Edge to Cena to RVD to Edge to Cena.
And he is a 3-time United States Champion as well...Big Show to Cena to Booker T to Cena to Carlito to Cena to OJ.
And Cena never won the Rumble, 04 was Benoit, 05 was Batista, and 06 was Mysterio.
And King Booker won Champions of Champions match.
The Show Off
12-07-2006, 04:35 PM
Accomplishments in WWE:
US Champion
2 Time WWE Champion (JBL, Edge)
2004 Royal Rumble Winner
Makes Triple H Submit at WM (Retains WWE Title)
Retains in Elimination Chamber
Is Kafaybe responsible for the firing of Chris Jericho
FU'd the Big Show twice.
His own movie.
His own rap album.
Wins the Champion of Champions match.
How fucking over would anyone else be if they put this much time into them?
3 Time US Champion
3 Time WWE Champion (JBL, Edge 2)
2005 Royal Rumble Runner Up
Makes Triple H Submit at Wrestlemania (Retains the WWE Title)
Retains in an Elimination Chamber
Is Kayfabe responsible for the firing of Chris Jericho & Eric Bischoff
Ended Muhammad Hassan's Winning Streak
FU'ed the Big Show Twice in One Match (Wrestlemania XX) and almost 10 times overall.
In his own movie
Has his own rap album.
St. Jimmy
12-07-2006, 04:37 PM
My brain broke. Seriously.
Shadow
12-07-2006, 04:38 PM
The point is...he's really really overbooked.
The One
12-07-2006, 04:39 PM
Also, while the movie was a moderate success (in that it actually is projected to gross some) it has been considered a projected failure based on the standard 8% gross that the entertainment feild yeilds. And his rap album made a joke of him, in fact doing his live concert tour they gave away free tickets and could only get about 200 to 300 people per showing. So all those did was highlight his short comings.
The One
12-07-2006, 04:41 PM
But certainly no question about it, overbooked. Quite frankly Cena's WWE reign (especially leading to the movie) has been so Superman'd that it makes Hulk Hogan look moderatly well booked.
St. Jimmy
12-07-2006, 04:42 PM
But what is the point to where Vince may realize that he's just not going to get as over as he wants?
The One
12-07-2006, 04:47 PM
Vince has said he doesn't care. John Cena is a smooth and confident talker outside the ring. He looks very good in magazines, on talk shows, and truth be told when he isn't being Superman he can come across as charismatic and charming. That's why the belt is staying on him. So Vince can parade him around on all the media outlets, so Cena can be put on Sexiest Stud lists, radio shows, and autograph signings as WWE Champion.
The One
12-07-2006, 04:49 PM
3 Time WWE Champion (JBL, Edge, RVD)
Still off buddy, he didn't beat RVD, Edge beat RVD and Cena beat Edge.
The point is...he's really really overbooked.
They should stick him in that box back to OVW.
The One
12-07-2006, 05:04 PM
The great thing is Vince along with his idiotic booking is driving away fans left and right, basically all that's left is the most die hard of die hard wrestling fans, and small children who may or may not think it's real. And since the retarded, small, or emotionally stunted comrpise about 93.7% of the viewing WWE audience, those boos for Cena seem to get smaller and smaller every week. Which in turn means the cheers are coming through crystal clear. One way or another, Vince got the WWE fans to cheer Cena.
Kane Knight
12-07-2006, 09:41 PM
They should stick him in that box back to OVW.
Naw. The last thing we need is the Vanilla Superman going over OVW's roster, too.
Kane Knight
12-07-2006, 09:48 PM
The great thing is Vince along with his idiotic booking is driving away fans left and right, basically all that's left is the most die hard of die hard wrestling fans, and small children who may or may not think it's real. And since the retarded, small, or emotionally stunted comrpise about 93.7% of the viewing WWE audience, those boos for Cena seem to get smaller and smaller every week. Which in turn means the cheers are coming through crystal clear. One way or another, Vince got the WWE fans to cheer Cena.
And all he had to do was drive off paying customers. Vince is a genius.
blake639raw
12-08-2006, 01:48 AM
And all he had to do was drive off paying customers. Vince is a genius. :lol:
FourFifty
12-08-2006, 02:03 AM
The point is...he's really really overbooked and very few of us give a crap about him.
Gulak
12-08-2006, 02:08 AM
If Umaga gets his first loss from Cena my head will hit the floor.
I used to like Cena! But ehm after he won the title from JBL I think he has been going down hill...I miss the chain :(
I miss his old music...I HATE THE NEW CENA :foc:
Jeritron
12-08-2006, 06:51 AM
Its a case of him going downhill because they tried to put him on top of the hill too soon.
I liked Cena in late 03, I saw some potential in him and a lot of people did. But unfortunately they jumped the gun and pulled the trigger on him so quickly. Then proceeded to shove him down our throats, making him suck more and more. Basically they get a star whos starting to show some potential as a rising-star, and they start talking about how much of a rising star they are, and blow their load and push them to the sky right away.
They did it with Orton, Cena, Batista and they'll do it again.
AdrianM
12-08-2006, 07:53 AM
Its a case of him going downhill because they tried to put him on top of the hill too soon.
I liked Cena in late 03, I saw some potential in him and a lot of people did. But unfortunately they jumped the gun and pulled the trigger on him so quickly. Then proceeded to shove him down our throats, making him suck more and more. Basically they get a star whos starting to show some potential as a rising-star, and they start talking about how much of a rising star they are, and blow their load and push them to the sky right away.
They did it with Orton, Cena, Batista and they'll do it again.
don't think they jumped the gun on him at all. Just b4 he won the title off JBL he wasjust about the most over worker in the WWE. Whilst I do agree that he has been shoved down our throats way to much, I don't think that Batista or orton were pushed too much, too fast
Destor
12-08-2006, 08:25 AM
Orton was pushed to soon. He simply wasn't ready. That one I think is undeniable.
Cena wasn't going to get any more over, the did right. what they didn't do right is what they did with him AFTER he got on top. The superman push was way too much, and it hurt him alot. Be deserved to be where he was.
Batista also deserved to be where he was. His problem is a combination of three things. 1) was the injury. He was over and busting his ass until he got sacked. 2) Is SD!. Yeah. He doesn't want to be there, so he has no motivation to prove. 3) his ego. He thinks he's the top dog on SD! and that no one (save his good buddy The Undertaker,) can elevate him. So if there's nothing in it for him, why try?
owenbrown
12-08-2006, 08:55 AM
He is wrestling KEVIN FEDERLINE on NEW YEAR'S NIGHT possibly for the WWE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! THAT is how overbooked Cena is. THE END.
He is wrestling KEVIN FEDERLINE on NEW YEAR'S NIGHT possibly for the WWE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! THAT is how overbooked Cena is. THE END.
I'd consider that a huge set-back.
Hell, wrestling Federline in the main event of WrestleMania would be a huge set-back for Funaki.
Kane Knight
12-08-2006, 09:23 AM
Its a case of him going downhill because they tried to put him on top of the hill too soon.
I liked Cena in late 03, I saw some potential in him and a lot of people did. But unfortunately they jumped the gun and pulled the trigger on him so quickly. Then proceeded to shove him down our throats, making him suck more and more. Basically they get a star whos starting to show some potential as a rising-star, and they start talking about how much of a rising star they are, and blow their load and push them to the sky right away.
They did it with Orton, Cena, Batista and they'll do it again.
I disagree with the "too soon" concept. He was the hottest thing going, easily, and they saw that potential. They then proceded to use him in a way nobody wanted. They made him a babyface. Annoying, too. They made him unbeatable, and only the Undertaker can get away with that and stay face***
Orton wasn't done too soon, he was just turned babyface because people were cheering him. People liked the cocky ass legend killer. They got some love storyline. Batista? Well, they jumped on a face turn and big push, and it worked. The guy's reactions are getting worse because he's not all that good. He's been literally phoning it in.
Also, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, etc...
Kane Knight
12-08-2006, 09:27 AM
He is wrestling KEVIN FEDERLINE on NEW YEAR'S NIGHT possibly for the WWE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! THAT is how overbooked Cena is. THE END.
That's how overbooked Federline is.
.44 Magdalene
12-08-2006, 11:49 AM
Cena's going to break the Masterlock (for real--like, JR's going to spazz out and scream about it. It won't be a pussy break like Booker T's).
Cena's going to end Umaga's streak.
And CM Punk's.
And he's going to go back in time and end Samoa Joe's.
And Goldberg's.
In fact, he's going to cheese grate the tattoo off of Goldberg and staple it to his own arm, and do the salute while Goldberg's pyro goes off and Goldberg bleeds out of his arm hole where the tattoo was.
And then Cena's going to fire VINCE MCMAHON, because HE'S JOHN CENA GODDAMMIT HOO RAH CHAIN GANG SOLDIER 4 LIFE.
And then he's gonna PUNCH. MY DOG. IN THE ASS.
AND NO SELL IT WHEN I HAVE HIM ARRESTED FOR IT
A;AJFJ;AJ;CUA;M;CJ;AM;GJA;JC;U;AM;MC;JA;JF
.44 Magdalene
12-08-2006, 11:51 AM
CHIIIIIKAAAAARAAAAA
owenbrown
12-08-2006, 11:52 AM
That's how overbooked Federline is.
Federline actually being ON THE SHOW is how overbooked Federline is.
Loose Cannon
12-08-2006, 02:35 PM
Orton was pushed to soon. He simply wasn't ready. That one I think is undeniable.
Cena wasn't going to get any more over, the did right. what they didn't do right is what they did with him AFTER he got on top. The superman push was way too much, and it hurt him alot. Be deserved to be where he was.
Batista also deserved to be where he was. His problem is a combination of three things. 1) was the injury. He was over and busting his ass until he got sacked. 2) Is SD!. Yeah. He doesn't want to be there, so he has no motivation to prove. 3) his ego. He thinks he's the top dog on SD! and that no one (save his good buddy The Undertaker,) can elevate him. So if there's nothing in it for him, why try?
:y:
Loose Cannon
12-08-2006, 02:36 PM
Although I want to point out that Orton's push was done the wrong way. Orton should of stayed heel and HHH should of been baby. It would of been so much easier for Orton to handle.
tucsonspeed6
12-08-2006, 03:13 PM
Batista got an ego? I remember hearing long ago that he was pretty modest.
Batista got an ego? I remember hearing long ago that he was pretty modest.
Yeah, I've heard he's pretty arrogant backstage because he was in Evolution and is a dick about being stuck on SmackDown!...
Jeritron
12-08-2006, 03:21 PM
Ortons push was certainly to soon and poorly executed
As for Cenas, perhaps it shouldnt have been the second main event of the night at wrestlemania 21. In many ways its as if they pushed Batista over Cena, who was way more over. They later tried to ammend this problem by sending Cena to the A-show since they wanted him to be their A-champion.
Jeritron
12-08-2006, 03:24 PM
Yeah, I've heard he's pretty arrogant backstage because he was in Evolution and is a dick about being stuck on SmackDown!...
He should be happy he's been on Smackdown and still is. Its allowed him to be a big fish in a small pond.
Anybody Thrilla
12-08-2006, 03:34 PM
Yes, he is overbooked, but I think there are a bunch of people who would be much less tolerable in his position.
Imagine Umaga's rap album.
addy2hotty
12-08-2006, 03:38 PM
I'm glad Orton failed. Simply because he was a terrible face. He has everything in his armory to be one of the best heels of all-time. He simply is a heel. He looks like one, talks like one. As far as I'm concerned the guy should never ever be a face. However, the idiocy of the WWE to see this and the fact that he's a complete cock backstage all contributed to his failure.
Instead of the way they handled his turn, they should have done it in a way similar to The Rock dumping Farooq from the Nation. But that was back when Trips was the only one in the WWE, and that was never gonna happen.
Cena is horribly overbooked, simply as they have no faith in any other wrestler on Raw. Trips is busy making big bucks on merch with DX so he's happy.
I truely hate post-heel Cena, and it seems to me, as KK said about dancing Dave, that he's phoning it in. They have nothing to really do with him, apart from have him 'wrestle' Federline on NYD. Problem is, I really have no idea where they could possibly go with that, as the Umaga feud will be starting its 3rd month around then, and Nitro appears to be back with MNM for a while.
They need to turn Carlito, have him get Jesus to stab him in a nightclub and be off our screens for a month or so. Again. Please.
He should be happy he's been on Smackdown and still is. Its allowed him to be a big fish in a small pond.
He feels it's the small-time, and the way Vince (and Hunter) work it, he's right.
Stickman
12-08-2006, 03:41 PM
Usually I turn the channel when Cena is on, so I find my channel changed often.
tucsonspeed6
12-08-2006, 04:25 PM
He should be happy he's been on Smackdown and still is. Its allowed him to be a big fish in a small pond.
He should be happy that he's not still mulling around as reverend Devon's lackey or something of equal suckiness.
Maybe it'd be a big help to the "B show" atmosphere of Smackdown if all of the guys who thought they should have been on the A show quit being bitches about it and started working hard to improve the show they were on.
He should be happy that he's not still mulling around as reverend Devon's lackey or something of equal suckiness.
Maybe it'd be a big help to the "B show" atmosphere of Smackdown if all of the guys who thought they should have been on the A show quit being bitches about it and started working hard to improve the show they were on.
To be fair, it's the writer's, not the wrestler's fault, that it's the B show.
M-A-G
12-08-2006, 04:38 PM
OMG, overbooked??? So we were asleep during the time Hogan, HHH, Lesnar, and Austin were on TV?
OMG, overbooked??? So we were asleep during the time Hogan, HHH, Lesnar, and Austin were on TV?
Who said they weren't overbooked?
M-A-G
12-08-2006, 04:45 PM
No one. Which is what makes this thread so silly.
M-A-G
12-08-2006, 04:46 PM
If they've already seen overbooking, Cena's a lightweight compared to all of that.
The One
12-08-2006, 11:34 PM
Hogan = Horrifically overbooked, and while I didn't have TPWW to bitch on, i still bitched.
HHH = Overbooked, and we bitched about it then too.
Lesnar = Overbooked, and I hated that too.
Austin = Not over booked. He was always in main events, but what made Austin great was that he would be able to beat one or two people, but eventually the numbers of McMahon would get him down. Cena stands in the ring with 10 guys, and the only question is what order are the other ten guys going to be beaten in.
The One
12-08-2006, 11:36 PM
A few timesa Austin totally defied the odds, but that was only if he had a big truck (which we all know big truck to the ring means you're untouchable). Those were considered incredible moments, not the standard RAW.
Shadow
12-09-2006, 01:09 AM
The One has it.
Austin alone=Evenutally an asskicking shall be handed to the Bionic Redneck
Austin with a beer truck=Superman.
El Fangel
12-09-2006, 01:52 AM
Angle in the milktruck :heart:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h309/Terbear_photos/john%20cena/jcena4.jpg
Kane Knight
12-09-2006, 08:16 AM
He feels it's the small-time, and the way Vince (and Hunter) work it, he's right.
Who cares? It's a job. If other people copped an attitude, they'd be busted down to Stevie Night Heat. Batista's lucky there's only like 3 Main Eventers on Smackdown, or he probably would be...
Kane Knight
12-09-2006, 08:26 AM
A few timesa Austin totally defied the odds, but that was only if he had a big truck (which we all know big truck to the ring means you're untouchable). Those were considered incredible moments, not the standard RAW.
Well, there were other segments, too. Most of which involved vehicles in some way, but there was the "hunting" segment, for example. However, the main point is that Austin only "one upped" the competition on occasion, and that made it exciting. DX and Cena one up the competition at every chance, making it...Less exciting.
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