View Full Version : What if this whole Trump angle is leading to...
Arnold HamNegger
01-23-2007, 02:37 PM
You know, the tone of last night's segment on RAW gave me an idea. With McMahon adamant about Trump not having more money, being better in any way, not caring about the fans, etc...WHAT IF they set a stipulation for a match at Wrestlemania where McMahon (to piss off the fans) books himself as the Main Event at Mania agains Trump. Trump agrees ONLY IF McMahon agrees to put ECW ownership rights on the line.
During the match, Heyman would then make his return, appearing out of nowhere to interfere and help give Trump the victory. Have Mania end with Trump shaking hands with Heyman in the center of the ring and then signing over full ownership rights to Heyman.
Heyman: "Vince, as NNEEWW owner of ECW...I have two words for your position as creative control...."
Trump: "YYYOOOUUURRREEE FFFIIIRRREEEDDD!!!
Kane Knight
01-23-2007, 02:41 PM
Far too brilliant. Never gonna happen.
The Ravishing One
01-23-2007, 02:55 PM
Very good idea, but my brother from a different mother, is correct.
Stickman
01-23-2007, 03:40 PM
Now that's creative.
Problem is, Trump isn't going to wrestle. It would have to be a "my man vs. your man" type of deal.
In that case, it can go down that it's, say, Van Dam vs. Cena and Heyman then comes out and gets the rights from Trump.
Still works, just an extra step.
Arnold HamNegger
01-23-2007, 03:59 PM
Problem is, Trump isn't going to wrestle. It would have to be a "my man vs. your man" type of deal.
In that case, it can go down that it's, say, Van Dam vs. Cena and Heyman then comes out and gets the rights from Trump.
Still works, just an extra step.
Yeah, I was thinking about that option too. The most obvious matchup that had the :drool: factor for me is RVD vs. Shane O' Mac in a Ladder Match with the ECW ownership title dangling above the center of the ring....Heyman run in still of course.
Corkscrewed
01-23-2007, 04:14 PM
What? And let Heyman trump Vince even in storyline form?
You must be high. :p
What? And let Heyman trump Vince even in storyline form?
You must be high. :p
lol, "trump"...
Arnold HamNegger
01-23-2007, 05:25 PM
What? And let Heyman trump Vince even in storyline form?
You must be high. :p
:lol:
Nice
Corkscrewed
01-23-2007, 06:22 PM
Oh shit, I didn't even realize that pun. :lol: Hooray me! :D
The Cock
01-23-2007, 07:24 PM
Far too brilliant. Never gonna happen.
Arnold HamNegger
01-23-2007, 07:55 PM
Oh yeah, I almost forgot....the biggest swerve of all would come when Heyman actually reveals to the world that he is also Rosie O'Donnell.
http://cache.defamer.com/topic/rosie.jpg http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/uploads/ecwheyman.jpg
James Steele
01-23-2007, 08:09 PM
ECDUB! ECDUB! ECDUB!
Kane Knight
01-23-2007, 08:12 PM
Extreme Clitoris Wrestling.
Kane Knight
01-23-2007, 08:32 PM
Harpy Lesbian Action?
KingofOldSchool
01-23-2007, 09:37 PM
Hefty Lesbian Action?
KingofOldSchool
01-23-2007, 09:43 PM
Her Large Ass.
ClockShot
01-23-2007, 10:29 PM
Let's compare what both have/had.
Trump
Reality TV: Apprentice
Company: Trump Inc.?
Sports: A football team or two
Property: Taj Mahal, Golf Course, etc.
Family: Ivanka, hot new wife, son
Vince
Reality TV: Tough Enough
Company: WWE
Sports: Failed XFL
Property: WWE NY, Failed Casino, etc.
Family: HHH, Shane, Steph, Linda
Add any new catagories if you wish.
The Donald pretty much got the upper hand here. Vince has had some failed business ventures. And hasn't really rebounded in a good while. So he's bound to do something big with this idea in his head.
So I'll pitch this. Vince vs. Donald. Each uses one guy. Vince got his entire roster to find a champion. Make a nice little tournement between the 3 brands. Have a triple threat on the last RAW before mania. Winner fights for Vince. Donald can go and find anybody in the world and bring him in for one night only. Each can be at ringside at the corners. Vince puts up something, Donald puts up something. Winner take all.
Doesn't have to be anything. Bragging rights would suffice.
Kane Knight
01-23-2007, 10:49 PM
The Donald Bankrupted at least twice. How many times has Vince actually failed so bad he went bankrupt?
NeanderCarl
01-24-2007, 10:10 AM
He's come dangerously close, but to answer the question, never.
I don't know if that really makes him a better businessman though. A better businessman wouldn't have spunked as much money on major flop projects as Vince has.
TerranRich
01-24-2007, 10:48 AM
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6803/rosieheyman8sl.jpg
That's an EXTREEEEEEEMELYYY CUTIE PATOOTY!!!!
Arnold HamNegger
01-24-2007, 11:14 AM
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6803/rosieheyman8sl.jpg
That's an EXTREEEEEEEMELYYY CUTIE PATOOTY!!!!
OH MY GGOODD!!!! :eek:
NeanderCarl
01-24-2007, 01:08 PM
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6803/rosieheyman8sl.jpg
Looks like James Brown has seen a ghost.
(Maybe his own...)
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6803/rosieheyman8sl.jpg
That's an EXTREEEEEEEMELYYY CUTIE PATOOTY!!!!
LOL, I scrolled by that and at first I thought it was just Rosie.
Why the hell would Donald Trump go to all that effort for fucking ECW?
Kane Knight
01-24-2007, 05:45 PM
He's come dangerously close, but to answer the question, never.
I don't know if that really makes him a better businessman though. A better businessman wouldn't have spunked as much money on major flop projects as Vince has.
But "The Donald" is known for pissing his money away too, and it has landed him in bankrupcy on a couple occasions. The guy was a bigger joke in the 90s than wrestling is now.
Kane Knight
01-24-2007, 05:46 PM
Why the hell would Donald Trump go to all that effort for fucking ECW?
Just so he could say his patent catchphrase in front of an audience of dozens...
Jeritron
01-25-2007, 12:49 PM
Haha this thread is classic
Just so he could say his patent catchphrase in front of an audience of dozens...
...AND DOZENS of The Trump's fans!
Jeritron
01-25-2007, 12:53 PM
He's come dangerously close, but to answer the question, never.
I don't know if that really makes him a better businessman though. A better businessman wouldn't have spunked as much money on major flop projects as Vince has.
How do you think Trump lost that money? As for Vince coming dangerously close...it was because he had Ted Turner gunning for him directly, with the sole intention of putting him out of business at his own game. He didn't squander his money away at that time, he was being battled head on.
Vinces failures...ECW? Maybe quality wise, but I wouldn't say so. He owns WCW and ECW, thats been pretty big for business. WWE films...certainly not making blockbuster hits but its an interesting endeavor, hasn't been a failure. XFL is the only failure I can think of, and it was certainly a bold risk from the get go.
Arnold HamNegger
01-25-2007, 05:23 PM
...AND DOZENS of The Trump's fans!
The Trump: "What's your name son?"
Vince: "You know damn well...."
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/entertainment/0409/gallery.redcarpet/gallery.donald.trump.ap.jpg
"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS!"
How do you think Trump lost that money? As for Vince coming dangerously close...it was because he had Ted Turner gunning for him directly, with the sole intention of putting him out of business at his own game. He didn't squander his money away at that time, he was being battled head on.
Vinces failures...ECW? Maybe quality wise, but I wouldn't say so. He owns WCW and ECW, thats been pretty big for business. WWE films...certainly not making blockbuster hits but its an interesting endeavor, hasn't been a failure. XFL is the only failure I can think of, and it was certainly a bold risk from the get go.
Sorry but you need to remember the facts.
- ECW has been a fucking horrific failure... for the second time. FAILURE X2
- WCW buy out should have been the biggest angle in pro wrestling history that would have run for years before it got close to being out dated. It lasted about 2 weeks. FAILURE.
- XFL lost over $15 million dollars. FAILURE.
- WBF still around? No? FAILURE
- Has Titan Sports/WWFE/WWE promoted anymore boxing fights since 1988? No? FAILURE.
- Is there record label still around? No? FAILURE
- ICOPRO? FAILURE
- UK only PPV? FAILURE
Has WWE's film division made a fucking penny yet? No? Failure in the making.
As for the losing money against Ted Turner arguement. You saying Vince didn't squander his money at that time is fucking bullshit. He pissed away millions of dollars, nearly went to jail and the WWF was literally months away from going out of business on two separate ocassions from 1992-1997 and WCW was only making money one of those times.
Bottom line. Everything business idea Vince McMahon ventures into outside of pro wrestling turns to shit. And although he is the most sucessful wrestling promoter of all time, some of his decisions that cost the company fucking millions of dollars due to poor booking also leave a lot to be desired.
Kane Knight
01-25-2007, 05:50 PM
Sorry but you need to remember the facts.
- ECW has been a fucking horrific failure... for the second time. FAILURE X2
- WCW buy out should have been the biggest angle in pro wrestling history that would have run for years before it got close to being out dated. It lasted about 2 weeks. FAILURE.
- XFL lost over $15 million dollars. FAILURE.
- WBF still around? No? FAILURE
- Has Titan Sports/WWFE/WWE promoted anymore boxing fights since 1988? No? FAILURE.
- Is there record label still around? No? FAILURE
- ICOPRO? FAILURE
- UK only PPV? FAILURE
Has WWE's film division made a fucking penny yet? No? Failure in the making.
As for the losing money against Ted Turner arguement. You saying Vince didn't squander his money at that time is fucking bullshit. He pissed away millions of dollars, nearly went to jail and the WWF was literally months away from going out of business on two separate ocassions from 1992-1997 and WCW was only making money one of those times.
Bottom line. Everything business idea Vince McMahon ventures into outside of pro wrestling turns to shit. And although he is the most sucessful wrestling promoter of all time, some of his decisions that cost the company fucking millions of dollars due to poor booking also leave a lot to be desired.
I was gonna reply to him...Then I saw you post that. :love:
Seriously. Vince has squandered money at every point in WWF/E he's been in charge.
He may have had someone gunning for him, but he might as well have taken that gun and shive it right up his ass, for all he was doing to shoot himself already.
Jeritron
01-25-2007, 07:40 PM
Yes, however he has managed to bring wrestling into a publicly traded billion dollar corporation. Outside of XFL, I don't really see the other things as failures. Vince almost going to jail when going head to head with Turner? If you're referring to the 1992 steroids scandal that has nothign to do with that. As for the other things that are "failures in the making", we'll see. The purchase of WCW a failure? Why, because the storyline didn't work out well for smarks? It sucked, doesn't mean it was a failure. The purchase of WCW properties and library has been a tremendous success business wise for obvious reasons, if not just for the tape library and the intellectual properties alone.
He doesn't promote boxing fights since 1988, well that would be a HUGE failure considering he wouldn't have any interest in that anymore since from that time on they've grown into a billion dollar corporation.
When has Vince McMahon squandered money away to a point of him being bankrupt?
Kane Knight
01-25-2007, 08:12 PM
You don't see their record label as a failure?
Boxing promotion?
JEsus, you must have no concept of "failure."
addy2hotty
01-25-2007, 08:22 PM
You know, I didn't even know about the boxing promotion. Says it all really.
I did buy one of the UK-only PPVs though. And got a house show. Never bought a PPV since.
Kane Knight
01-25-2007, 08:28 PM
The UK only PPVs failed regardless of whether you bought 'em.
NeanderCarl
01-26-2007, 04:00 PM
The UK PPVs were discontinued when they started taping Raws and SmackDowns over here a couple of times a year. Still, from a quality standpoint, all but two of them (One Night Only 1997 and Rebellion 1999) were dismal failures.
RE: my point about Vince and Trump. Vince spunked his money on failed business projects that looked like guaranteed failures from the get go. That doesn't show much business sense.
As I understand it, Trump ended up on his arse due to his own extravagences more than anything. Bad personal choice but not reflective of him as a businessman. I might be wrong about that though. As far as I know, Trump was in a LOT more debt than Vince ever was at his lowest point, and pulled himself back up to being worth a lot more than Vince ever will be. That must make him a better businessman.
But still, meh, I ain't gonna lose sleep over it. They're both dicks.
Arnold HamNegger
01-26-2007, 04:11 PM
You know, I didn't even know about the boxing promotion or the record label. Says it all really.
Kane Knight
01-26-2007, 05:28 PM
Bad personal choice but not reflective of him as a businessman. I might be wrong about that though.
When your "personal extravagance" affects corporate funds, it is indicative of him as a businessman.
As far as I know, Trump was in a LOT more debt than Vince ever was at his lowest point, and pulled himself back up to being worth a lot more than Vince ever will be. That must make him a better businessman.
Going so broke you have to file for bankruptcy multiple times NEVER makes you the better businessman.
NeanderCarl
01-27-2007, 04:32 AM
Surely the answer to "who is the better businessman" is the man who is worth more than the other. That's Trump, and that's all the more impressive considering the situation he's been in.
Take nothing away from McMahon, however. You don't get to be a billionairre if you're clueless.
Kane Knight
01-27-2007, 09:22 AM
Surely the answer to "who is the better businessman" is the man who is worth more than the other. That's Trump, and that's all the more impressive considering the situation he's been in.
Take nothing away from McMahon, however. You don't get to be a billionairre if you're clueless.
It's not more impressive, because it proves that he can't run a business longterm. Vince, while running one poorly, can.
The "better businessman" trophy has to go to Vince, simply because of the numerous times Donald has tanked. If not for Bankruptcy, which got him out of most of his depts entirely, he'd still be in "debtor's prison."
Seiously. The best player is not the one who calls "mulligan!"
NeanderCarl
01-27-2007, 09:41 AM
There is no debtor's prison.
At least Trump's bad business decisions would have benefitted his company if they weren't so overly ambitious. Vince has made some baffling decisions to say the least, that nobody in their right mind could have considered viable money makers.
Kane Knight
01-27-2007, 09:44 AM
It's a turn of phrase.
Note the quotes?
Let me guess. You will next tell me there are no mulligans in the business world.
NeanderCarl
01-27-2007, 09:54 AM
I don't know what that means. That isn't an expression round these here parts.
NeanderCarl
01-27-2007, 09:54 AM
The mulligan thing, not the prison.
Kane Knight
01-27-2007, 10:06 AM
"mulligan" is a term used in a couple of sports (Golf being the one I can name) and card games. It essentially means "Do Over."
And before you tell me they don't really call Mulligans in business, that's why it and "Debtor's Prison" were both in quotes.
Debtor's prison, as a business parlance, refers to vengefully (or otherwise) holding someone in so much debt that they will never be able to get out. You know, like getting out of jail. Except now you're a lifer.
I believe the military used to also use this term for severely garnishing someone's wages into civilian life.
NeanderCarl
01-27-2007, 10:41 AM
Yeah but debtor's prison really isn't a relevant expression in modern times. Like you said yourself, Trump declared bankruptcy. Problem solved.
Never heard the mulligan expression, must either be an American thing (even though "Mulligan" is Irish) or I just never crossed paths with it before.
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