Poor Poor Punk...

[Corndad]

From Prowrestling.com

According to several sources in contact with Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, CM Punk has earned himself even more heat backstage.

After learning that he was booked to lose on a house show card two weeks ago, Punk reportedly asked one of the road agents if the reports of him being in WWE's doghouse were true. The agent denied the idea that there was heat on Punk. However, the road agent did an about-face by telling his colleagues about the conversation he had with Punk, giving them the idea that Punk was complaining about doing the job. He now has more heat than ever.

If he did jobs and didn't react like Carlito, Rob Van Dam and Shelton Benjamin, the story would be that he doesn't care or he doesn't have any passion for wrestling. So well, Punk is currently in a tough spot to say the least.


Basically he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

[ddpBANG]

:rofl:

[Mercury Bullet]

Figures

[Rocky B]

Wow, what an asshole(the road agent). LOL. I doubt they'll do anything. It's not like jobbing at a house show hurt his credibility and I doubt they'll hurt his push on TV anyway.

[addy2hotty]

Be damned Punk!

Scrub that glass ceiling BOYO, scrub it til you can see....er....your main event push in it!

[KayfabeMan]

I'd sit through Mania, a few more big events and then fuck 'em.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd sit through Mania, a few more big events and then fuck Maria and then leave.

It's a damn shame the WWE are being so bitter towards the guy. He's pretty much one of only a few people on the WWE roster with potential star quality about them. Guys like CM Punk are closer to booming the company than a John Cena or Bobby Lashley.

Mick Foley said in a recent interview that the WWE has dropped the ball with Punk, and I agree with him wholeheartedly.

[Corkscrewed]

Ego, ego, and more ego.

Empires are destroyed by those in power who've become convinced that they know everything.

[FourFifty]

Once <strike>KENTA</strike> Punk stops stealing from other people, I'll give a damn about him again.
He's awesome behind the mic, but in the ring he's the Dane Cook of wrestling- a freakin' hack who steals from other people.

[Blitz]

Once <strike>KENTA</strike> Punk stops stealing from other people, I'll give a damn about him again.
He's awesome behind the mic, but in the ring he's the Dane Cook of wrestling- a freakin' hack who steals from other people.
:|

[KingofOldSchool]

Once <strike>KENTA</strike> Punk stops stealing from other people, I'll give a damn about him again.
He's awesome behind the mic, but in the ring he's the Dane Cook of wrestling- a freakin' hack who steals from other people.

Oh please cry me a river.

Kennedy stole the Kenton Bomb from Jeff Hardy
Chris Benoit stole the Crossface from Dean Malenko
Everybody steals the DDT from Jake Roberts
Taker stole the Tombstone from the Dynamite Kid
etc etc

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh please cry me a river.

Kennedy stole the Kenton Bomb from Jeff Hardy
Chris Benoit stole the Crossface from Dean Malenko
Everybody steals the DDT from Jake Roberts
Taker stole the Tombstone from the Dynamite Kid
etc etc

John Cena stole the Fireman's Carry from the first page of the wrestling manual.

People make it sound like every single move you do in a match must be original and completely your's. OMG! Punk did a punch! He's got no talent! He's a thief!

[KingofOldSchool]

Roderick Strong used the Window's Peak before Victoria. ZOMG SHE'S A DISGRACE TO WOMEN'S WRESTLING!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wait, you mean the Stone Cold Stunner was only a variation of the Ace Crusher? WRESTLING IS FOUNDED ON A BALL OF LIES!!!!!!

*Inaudible whispers*

IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT!

[KingofOldSchool]

Don't forget the suplex, who ever started using that must be suplexing himself in his grave.

[Pepsi Man]

lmao, and this is conveniently by an internet reporter. God, I love internet wrestling reporters...NOT!

[FourFifty]

The three hit combo Punk does came from KENTA, same with Go 2 Sleep.
The chlostline/bulldog combo came from Matt Hardy, who I think got it from Raven.
Chris Jericho was doing the double underhook backbreaker before Punk did Welcome To Chicago.

I'll give props where they are earned, and no wrestler that I've seen has earned as much, and lost as much in my book as CM Punk. He's great, full of potential, love his promos, taking his life style and turning it into his persona is awesome makes him look real.
For every bad thing I have to say about Punk, I have a good thing to say.
The dude is full of potential, I cannot stress that enough. The dude is also getting mildy screwed over. WWE is dropping the ball on him and in my eyes WWE is somehow has the logic to blame Punk.

Punk just needs to do one thing to make me cheer for him again, and I'll be marking out like there's no tomorrow. Until then, I don't care.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don't forget the suplex, who ever started using that must be suplexing himself in his grave.

:lol:

On a more serious note, at No Way Out it actually pained me when Michael Cole claimed Eddie Guerrero invented the Frog Splash.

I think I saw "suplex" and "grave" in a the context of "move innovation", and immediately though of the liberties the WWE has taken with the life and death of Eddie Guerrero.

[BigDaddyCool]

I've never heard such a tragic story that I've cared so little about.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The three hit combo Punk does came from KENTA, same with Go 2 Sleep.
The chlostline/bulldog combo came from Matt Hardy, who I think got it from Raven.
Chris Jericho was doing the double underhook backbreaker before Punk did Welcome To Chicago.

I'll give props where they are earned, and no wrestler that I've seen has earned as much, and lost as much in my book as CM Punk. He's great, full of potential, love his promos, taking his life style and turning it into his persona is awesome makes him look real.
For every bad thing I have to say about Punk, I have a good thing to say.
The dude is full of potential, I cannot stress that enough. The dude is also getting mildy screwed over. WWE is dropping the ball on him and in my eyes WWE is somehow has the logic to blame Punk.

Punk just needs to do one thing to make me cheer for him again, and I'll be marking out like there's no tomorrow. Until then, I don't care.

The striking combination is what? A few blows? It's not like CM Punk took his screenplay and adapted it without permission.

The Go 2 Sleep is a fireman's carry into a roundhouse kick isn't it? That must have taken years to come up with.

Did Jericho invent the butterfly backbreaker? I'm sure it must have existed before him. I'm sure I've seen Roderick Strong do it, too. After all, he is "Messiah of the Backbreaker".

The clothesline and bulldog would be classified as separate moves, and yes, Hardy and Raven have both done them in that order, but the clothesline and bulldog predates both men.

Besides, one of Punk's greatest feuds was with Raven, and he played his follower in TNA. He probably knows the guy really well, so him using it is probably a shout-out to the guy.

If moves being stolen somehow was an issue (and it isn't, but anywho), Punk at least does it in a tone that pays homage, or that seems inspired by those wrestlers. There's nothing wrong with emulating a wrestler's style, or using moves which you yourself didn't invent.

I appreciate you trying to use reason, and I understand that it's a personal reason you don't want to get behind him, but I think it is a bit unreasonable to really take points off a guy before he didn't invent the move. Kurt Angle didn't invent the Ankle Lock, does that make his career mean nothing?

[KingofOldSchool]

Bret Hart didn't invent his 5 Moves of Doom, that means he's the most overrated wrestler in history.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bret Hart didn't invent his 5 Moves of Doom, that means he's the most overrated wrestler in history.

Haha, that's true.

[Chuck Jones]

Don't forget the suplex, who ever started using that must be suplexing himself in his grave.

And then he realizes he is still alive and starts screaming for people to get him out of here.

[El Fangel]

In the first ever wrestling match, what the hell would the commentors say,

JR: OH BAH GAWD, What was that?
King: Puppies!...... Seriously I have no clue

*Next Match*

JR: Im getting the feeling of Deja Vu, Haven't I seen this before
King: Yeah Puppies! That move is the figure one leg lock and there he goes with the *gasp* Sliced Bread Number ONE

[Mr. JL]

It definitely seems like Punk rubs people the wrong way. I mean, the guy has been in the dog house and reportedly pissed a lot of people off during his stay in the WWE. Can it really ALL be because ''he's damned if he does and damned if he don't' excuse. At some point when do you start to think, well maybe Punk is the stupid one causing the problems.

[D Mac]

Punk to TNA real soon.

[Funky Fly]

Benoit was given the crossface.

[Funky Fly]

He did steal the multiple German suplexes, tho.

[Funky Fly]

nd the knife edge chops.

[Funky Fly]

And the flying headbutt.

[Funky Fly]

And the sharpshooter.

[Dave Youell]

I really don't think that Punk is in the dog house, he's jobbed, what, 3 times on TV? That's it!

He's in the MITB match, he gets TV time every week.

Plus from the sound of it, IF this story is true and it's mis communication, it managed to make it's way to the internet, so chances are the WWE higher ups read it as well, or at least know about it.

If being in CM Punks spot right now is being in the dog house, I think plenty of mid carders would like to be there as well

[TerranRich]

I'm srsly hoping Punk seals a deal with ANYWHERE else, then fucks WWE over by breaking kayfabe hardcore and shooting. I would LOL.

[tucsonspeed6]

In the first ever wrestling match, what the hell would the commentors say,

JR: OH BAH GAWD, What was that?
King: Puppies!...... Seriously I have no clue



Their commentary hasn't changed much through the years, has it?

[addy2hotty]

Upon reading this thread and seeing a lot of the comments, I'm still wondering about this 'genuine star quality' that he has comes from. Still waiting to see it.

Nothing Punk has done has made me go 'shiiiit, he is going places'.

There is obviously a reason he's not on top. I can't believe its down to the age old excuse of being held down. I don't think that excuse washes in this day and age. He comes across an arrogant prick on his website and probably does backstage.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Upon reading this thread and seeing a lot of the comments, I'm still wondering about this 'genuine star quality' that he has comes from. Still waiting to see it.

Nothing Punk has done has made me go 'shiiiit, he is going places'.

There is obviously a reason he's not on top. I can't believe its down to the age old excuse of being held down. I don't think that excuse washes in this day and age. He comes across an arrogant prick on his website and probably does backstage.

The guy is probably one of those "emo" fucks who thinks being themself and being "honest" isn't worth compromising for success. He probably doesn't fuck Finlay in the showers, so he's not well liked by the veterans. They're also probably jealous he's got more of a following than they likely ever will, and he fucks Maria.

To see his star quality, watch Survivor Series '06. I do not know how anyone cannot watch that and not sense some kind of upwards momentum bigger than anyone else in that match. When Triple H and Shawn Michaels are a part of that match, it should scream "star".

He's one of the few ring psychologists left out there, very similar to a Raven-like competitor. He's one of the best talkers in the business, today. He's never really cut a real stand-out promo in the WWE. This is their loss, as when the guy takes the stick is when he really oozes charisma. That carries into his matches.

CM Punk and Mr. Kennedy are two men who I am sure go together like an Austin/Rock duo. In a few years, if not within the next year, these two men will be on top of the wrestling world, one way or another.

[RP]

CM Punk stole my girlfriend.

[Theo Dious]

The Rock stole the People's Eyebrow from Mr. Spock. And their names even rhyme. Shit. What a fraud.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Rock stole the People's Eyebrow from Mr. Spock. And their names even rhyme. Shit. What a fraud.

The Rock then went on to play the lead role in DOOM, a movie set in space...Spock's hometown! The bastard!

[BigDaddyCool]

The Rock then went on to play the lead role in DOOM, a movie set in space...Spock's hometown! The bastard!

:rofl:

[addy2hotty]

The guy is probably one of those "emo" fucks who thinks being themself and being "honest" isn't worth compromising for success. He probably doesn't fuck Finlay in the showers, so he's not well liked by the veterans. They're also probably jealous he's got more of a following than they likely ever will, and he fucks Maria.

To see his star quality, watch Survivor Series '06. I do not know how anyone cannot watch that and not sense some kind of upwards momentum bigger than anyone else in that match. When Triple H and Shawn Michaels are a part of that match, it should scream "star".

He's one of the few ring psychologists left out there, very similar to a Raven-like competitor. He's one of the best talkers in the business, today. I He's never really cut a real stand-out promo in the WWE. This is their loss, as when the guy takes the stick is when he really oozes charisma. That carries into his matches.

CM Punk and Mr. Kennedy are two men who I am sure go together like an Austin/Rock duo. In a few years, if not within the next year, these two men will be on top of the wrestling world, one way or another.

Are you actually CM Punk? ;)

Fair dos, I should have said with the exception of SS. But wasn't that his home town or something?

Problem is, he won't get anywhere if he's a prick backstage. He seems to be getting a lot of heat for it, and I can't believe its all down to him fucking Maria. As for the following, KHALI has a big IWC following. Means shit really.

I think Kennedy is more talented than Punk and is certainly more over than he is. I think we'll be able to judge a lot from their relevant entrances at Mania. If Punk gets silence coming down, which I would hazard a guess he will then I think it could be a death knell for him.

I haven't been impressed with him to be honest, perhaps thats because I haven't seen much of his previous work, I dunno. I just think this 'straight edge' thing isn't going to get him anywhere in the big leagues. I suppose its better than being deaf, as per their original plan.

[Destor]

Are you actually CM Punk? ;)

Fair dos, I should have said with the exception of SS. But wasn't that his home town or something?Nah, RoH country.

[Skippord]

Khali/Punk = next Rock/Austin

[Afterlife]

A week or so back, we had Punk/Richards. Stevie whipped the shit outta that kid, Punk did the off-the-shoulder knee lift that doesn't look all that impactful, and he gets the win.

I was rooting for Stevie. Not because I thought he'd win or because I'm a Stevie fan, but because he was the one in the ring that was actually there for a match. On top of that, SR has real charisma; he doesn't have to talk up a storm for you to get behind him.

This is not, however, Let's Blow Richards night. My point, is that Punk is rather lacking in this "it factor" some people suggest he posesses. Wether he intends it or not, he has an air of pompocity about him -- posibly mistaken for this phantom charisma by his loyals -- and he carries the scraggly, cracked-out appearance of a hobo. For someone who claims to be drug-free, he certainly looks the contrary, Mr. My Eyes Say I've Been Awake All Week And I Forgot To Shave And Wash My Hair Before The Match Cause I Was Wired On Smack Since Last Tuesday Talking To Imaginary Bats In My Cardboard Box Under The Cobblestone Train Trusell.

.....Where I Put It In Girls That Like Guys That Look Like Any Given Property In New Orleans.

Anyway, the thing to take away here, is that Punk has done nothing in his WWE career to warrant the sympathy of the Internet crowd. If he starts acting like the Star Fortold, then I'll change my tune and jump on the One Free Blowjob Bandwagon. Otherwise, give the guy's dick a rest and see what happens.

[TerranRich]

http://img.xylot.net/prettyinpunk.jpg

[Arnold HamNegger]

:rofl:

I love T-Rich

[TerranRich]

Let the Brat Pack hit the floor! Let the Brat Pack hit the floor!

[Theo Dious]

Wether he intends it or not, he has an air of pompocity about him -- posibly mistaken for this phantom charisma by his loyals -- and he carries the scraggly, cracked-out appearance of a hobo.

:rofl: :rofl: That is the funniest thing I have read this week. :rofl: :rofl:

[Destor]

For someone who claims to be drug-free, he certainly looks the contrary, Mr. My Eyes Say I've Been Awake All Week And I Forgot To Shave And Wash My Hair Before The Match Cause I Was Wired On Smack Since Last Tuesday Talking To Imaginary Bats In My Cardboard Box Under The Cobblestone Train Trusell.

.....Where I Put It In Girls That Like Guys That Look Like Any Given Property In New Orleans.
Just to add some insight to this, when you're on the road it is a pain in the ass to sleep. Your internal clock just gets fucked. Most guys who travel take sleeping just so they can get some rest on make it to the next town on time.

But not Punk. Punk is "straight edge" so he gets to suffer and go without. If I hadn't had a good night sleep in a month (as I assume Punk hasn't,) I'd look strung out too.

[Theo Dious]

If Punk wants to be Mr. Straight Edge, then he gets no sympathy for his inability to sleep. Sorry.

[addy2hotty]

I'm sure he could tire himself out by giving Maria one. I'd sleep well after that I'm sure.

[McDoogle]

Fuck Punk.

[Destor]

If Punk wants to be Mr. Straight Edge, then he gets no sympathy for his inability to sleep. Sorry.I concur. Just shedding some light on his strung out appearance.

[Afterlife]

I understand the hectic nature of the programming schedule, but the guy is a fucking mess. He seriously looks -- and I'm not taking a crack at him (no pun intended) -- like a junkie. And competition don't enter into it.

And, gee, maybe part of the reason people don't like him backstage is because he's a snippity bitch due to being cranky and overexhausted. It may even effect his game, don'tcha think? Of course, that's all clearly assumption. But, you know what? I take Melatonin to sleep. It's not a pill; it's an herb. And yes, it comes in tablet-shaped servings of one, but "A tablet a night keeps your face lookin' right".

[addy2hotty]

<a href=#"><b>PUNK LIKE A ZOMBIE backstage due to LACK OF SLEEP!! UNDERTAKER FUMING! Is this the END for PUNK?!? [SPOILERS!!>>]</b></a>

[Destor]

Hey, I'm not trying to defend the guy. Gave up on that a while ago.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A week or so back, we had Punk/Richards. Stevie whipped the shit outta that kid, Punk did the off-the-shoulder knee lift that doesn't look all that impactful, and he gets the win.

I was rooting for Stevie. Not because I thought he'd win or because I'm a Stevie fan, but because he was the one in the ring that was actually there for a match. On top of that, SR has real charisma; he doesn't have to talk up a storm for you to get behind him.

This is not, however, Let's Blow Richards night. My point, is that Punk is rather lacking in this "it factor" some people suggest he posesses. Wether he intends it or not, he has an air of pompocity about him -- posibly mistaken for this phantom charisma by his loyals -- and he carries the scraggly, cracked-out appearance of a hobo. For someone who claims to be drug-free, he certainly looks the contrary, Mr. My Eyes Say I've Been Awake All Week And I Forgot To Shave And Wash My Hair Before The Match Cause I Was Wired On Smack Since Last Tuesday Talking To Imaginary Bats In My Cardboard Box Under The Cobblestone Train Trusell.

.....Where I Put It In Girls That Like Guys That Look Like Any Given Property In New Orleans.

Anyway, the thing to take away here, is that Punk has done nothing in his WWE career to warrant the sympathy of the Internet crowd. If he starts acting like the Star Fortold, then I'll change my tune and jump on the One Free Blowjob Bandwagon. Otherwise, give the guy's dick a rest and see what happens.

I did not see the match, but Richards is indeed the man.

Have you ever seen the guy's Ring of Honor work? Have you ever seen his better matches and heard his promos? Trust me, the guy has "it".

The guy looks nothing like a hobo, what are you on about? He might look like an attractive, professional actor badly playing a hobo.

It may be your opinion that Punk has done nothing in his WWE career to warrant the sympathy of the Internet crowd, but some of us actually heard him get a bigger pop than DX, and then saw him jobbed out so he wouldn't be seen as a bigger personality. If an age when the WWE is surely lacking those stars, the WWE keeping chained up is not a great way to go.

[KingofOldSchool]

I did not see the match, but Richards is indeed the man.

Have you ever seen the guy's Ring of Honor work? Have you ever seen his better matches and heard his promos? Trust me, the guy has "it".

The guy looks nothing like a hobo, what are you on about? He might look like an attractive, professional actor badly playing a hobo.

It may be your opinion that Punk has done nothing in his WWE career to warrant the sympathy of the Internet crowd, but some of us actually heard him get a bigger pop than DX, and then saw him jobbed out so he wouldn't be seen as a bigger personality. If an age when the WWE is surely lacking those stars, the WWE keeping chained up is not a great way to go.

But he hasn't had a ******** match since coming to WWE and he steals other people's moves! I mean why can't he come up with a 896 degree moonsault into a twisting bodypress leg drop? THAT'S NEW AND INNOVATIVE!

[Afterlife]

Oh, for fuck's sake #1: I am sick to god damn death of the "Bigger Pop Than DX" garbage. The guy got cheered by his home god damn crowd. Has anyone thought, perhaps, that there might have been a sense of "We knew this guy before he was big, and now he's on a DX level" type of sentiment there? Maybe there was more than "Punk is better than DX" going on?

Oh, for fuck's sake #2: Could we please stop with the bitching about his moves? You show me any wrestler who invented his entire moveset, and I'll show you a fucking liar. But until then, let's stop fucking a dead horse and move on with issues that actually exist.

Now that we've dealt with the two things that won't take us any further into the conversation, I'd like to point out that Punk is not a very attractive guy at all, another reason ppl resent him banging Maria. The only "attractive, professional actor" he resembles is Hal Sparks, if Hal Sparks lost his muscle tone and spent last night in a boxcar.

Finally, I reiterate, he has done nothing in his WWE career to call for the Internet Sympathy. And, if you're going to try to bring up the SS pop again, I'll make it crystal clear: HE DIDN'T POP FOR HIMSELF. The crowd did that, not him. He just stood there...and they cheered. HE didn't DO that moment. Ere go, HE has done NOTHING impressive.

No, I've never seen an ROH match -- and that's my fucking point: There's a lot of fuss about a guy who hasn't shown me anything to fuss about.

[redoneja]

He's alright. I enjoyed his RoH stuff. I didn't shit my pants over it but I enjoyed it. He's been kinda meh in WWE so far. And I think it's ridiculous to blame the head guys in WWE for all of that.

As far as the stolen moves, who cares? I've read someone here argue that people defending Punk for "stealing" moves would be all over someone like Hardcore Holly if he did it. And I think that's true for some of the people defending him. But as for others, such as myself, I just don't see the big deal.

Honestly, if Punk wants to make it big in WWE, he's going to have to adjust to the WWE style of pro-wrestling. It's that simple. What worked for him in RoH isn't necessarily going to work for him in WWE. It's a much wider, less "smart", more casual audience. And I hope nobody expects WWE Punk to be like RoH Punk, those companies are completely different in their approach to professional wrestling. But, if he jobs out of the E, then he can go back to RoH where he can really be "appreciated".

[Caged Heat18]

He really hasn't done anything of note in ECW, but he hasn't been given the time to have any great matches, and has been given very little mic time, if at all. For this I am not really a fan of him. I have no problem with him, and I enjoy him when he's on ECW, but he's nothing to write home about. However, with that being said I definetely want to see some of his Ring of Honor work to see what the fuss is about, and see if I agree with it, and end up becoming a big fan of him.

[Afterlife]

Well, to be forthright, I don't dislike the guy. I'm ok with Punk; not the fuss.

[Blitz]

But not Punk. Punk is "straight edge" so he gets to suffer and go without. If I hadn't had a good night sleep in a month (as I assume Punk hasn't,) I'd look strung out too.
Is "no sleep" a tenet of Straight Edgeism?

[.44 Magdalene]

I said it once, I'll say it again: Punk being overrated is overrated.

[Afterlife]

Also, The Critic loves being a turtle.

[.44 Magdalene]

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p315/smashkingdom/dancingturtles.gif

[Innovator]

Oh, for fuck's sake #1: I am sick to god damn death of the "Bigger Pop Than DX" garbage. The guy got cheered by his home god damn crowd. Has anyone thought, perhaps, that there might have been a sense of "We knew this guy before he was big, and now he's on a DX level" type of sentiment there? Maybe there was more than "Punk is better than DX" going on?
Survivor Series was in Philly. Punk is from Chicago. Philly doesn't equal Chicago

[The One]

Punk is talented. Punk has a bright future. If Punk is in the doghouse, I guess the other ECW guys who Punk goes over nearly every week are in the shithouse.

While I have heard nothing of him being a total dick, it's certainly not beyond the relm of possibility that a guy who's getting good crowd reaction in his freshman year in a national company might have a bit of an ego. I will never understand why so many people are so willing to stand up for a person's true life character just based on fandom. I at least admit HBK is an asshole, HHH is a glass ceiling onto himself, Flair is a psycho ego maniac, JBL is a dick, Hall is a drunk, Nash is lazy, Gunn can't work a 2 minute match without getting winded, and Waltman has the charisma of a lightbulb.

Also, Punk steals moves, but so does everyone else. Punk isn't a god, he isn't the end all be all, he is a young up and comer who may or may not have a bit of an attitude problem. End of story.

[TerranRich]

I said it once, I'll say it again: Punk being overrated is overrated.

Oh yeah? Well... "Punk is overrated" being overrated, is in itself overrated.

[The One]

Punk is still miles away from how overrated Hart is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, for fuck's sake #1: I am sick to god damn death of the "Bigger Pop Than DX" garbage. The guy got cheered by his home god damn crowd. Has anyone thought, perhaps, that there might have been a sense of "We knew this guy before he was big, and now he's on a DX level" type of sentiment there? Maybe there was more than "Punk is better than DX" going on?

Oh, for fuck's sake #2: Could we please stop with the bitching about his moves? You show me any wrestler who invented his entire moveset, and I'll show you a fucking liar. But until then, let's stop fucking a dead horse and move on with issues that actually exist.

Now that we've dealt with the two things that won't take us any further into the conversation, I'd like to point out that Punk is not a very attractive guy at all, another reason ppl resent him banging Maria. The only "attractive, professional actor" he resembles is Hal Sparks, if Hal Sparks lost his muscle tone and spent last night in a boxcar.

Finally, I reiterate, he has done nothing in his WWE career to call for the Internet Sympathy. And, if you're going to try to bring up the SS pop again, I'll make it crystal clear: HE DIDN'T POP FOR HIMSELF. The crowd did that, not him. He just stood there...and they cheered. HE didn't DO that moment. Ere go, HE has done NOTHING impressive.

No, I've never seen an ROH match -- and that's my fucking point: There's a lot of fuss about a guy who hasn't shown me anything to fuss about.

Um, Punk is from Chicago. The sentiment has nothing to do with it. Punk got a bigger pop than DX. He got a bigger pop than the two biggest faces in the business. For one shining moment Punk was the most over guy in the company. That's when his push started to go downhill. Hmm, I wonder why?

Agree with you about the moves.

Punk is attractive. Women I know go gah-gah over him. He doesn't look like a hobo at all. What kind of hobos can afford hair dye? You may not like it, but the whole style Punk embodies works for him, and gets all the girls who love emo figureheads in love with him.

LMAO at your point about him not popping for himself. You act as if the pop was random and Punk must not have appealed to them at all. They popped him because they liked him. That in itself is a marketable quality. Next you're going to argue that Austin and The Rock being over had little to do with their success within the WWE.

So what you're saying is that you haven't seen what the rave about the guy is from two-minute matches in ECW, so he must be overrated. Has anything in ECW been good since it's recent inception? Rob Van Dam's been a part of some good matches, but he gets like five times the duration to pull them off, sometimes more.

Punk is a young guy with all the tools to be something. He can wrestle, he can talk, he's over, he's got charisma, he's got the fan following. Why can't people accept that even if he does come off as a bit of a jerk backstage, most people in the business are jerks? The Undertaker doesn't like someone, so he goes bitching to Vince about them so they look like a fool on TV. JBL fucking rapes people. Ric Flair assaults people for cutting him off. Punk may not have shown uneducated you why he's got a following, but he's got one for a reason (the fact he has one should be stand-alone proof of that).

I thought Punk was initially pushed too fast to the main event after Survivor Series, but I would have kept him looking strong. I wouldn't have jobbed him out to Hardcore Holly because "Holly's a bigger star". That's just bullshit, and everyone knows it's bullshit. Punk is seen as Heyman's boy, with youth, potential and a hot Diva girlfriend. The guy could cure cancer and the WWE would say something like "Well, Bob Holly's had surgery so many times he's given a lot of finances over to the medical field. I think he's the bigger contributor to science..."

I'm not so much angry about the guy's position on the roster (he is where he should be), but rather how much bitterness there is against him by guys like Finlay, who are great wrestlers, but never really set the world on fire. Punk comes in, they don't like it that this new age pussy is over, so they try and beat it out of him. It's why the wrestling industry is still a carny business.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That and Vince McMahon's idea of "humour", The Boogeyman and The Undertaker wearing a leotard and pretending to be a zombie.

[Afterlife]

Um, Punk is from Chicago. The sentiment has nothing to do with it. Punk got a bigger pop than DX. He got a bigger pop than the two biggest faces in the business. For one shining moment Punk was the most over guy in the company. That's when his push started to go downhill. Hmm, I wonder why?

Agree with you about the moves.

Punk is attractive. Women I know go gah-gah over him. He doesn't look like a hobo at all. What kind of hobos can afford hair dye? You may not like it, but the whole style Punk embodies works for him, and gets all the girls who love emo figureheads in love with him.

LMAO at your point about him not popping for himself. You act as if the pop was random and Punk must not have appealed to them at all. They popped him because they liked him. That in itself is a marketable quality. Next you're going to argue that Austin and The Rock being over had little to do with their success within the WWE.

So what you're saying is that you haven't seen what the rave about the guy is from two-minute matches in ECW, so he must be overrated. Has anything in ECW been good since it's recent inception? Rob Van Dam's been a part of some good matches, but he gets like five times the duration to pull them off, sometimes more.

Punk is a young guy with all the tools to be something. He can wrestle, he can talk, he's over, he's got charisma, he's got the fan following. Why can't people accept that even if he does come off as a bit of a jerk backstage, most people in the business are jerks? The Undertaker doesn't like someone, so he goes bitching to Vince about them so they look like a fool on TV. JBL fucking rapes people. Ric Flair assaults people for cutting him off. Punk may not have shown uneducated you why he's got a following, but he's got one for a reason (the fact he has one should be stand-alone proof of that).

I thought Punk was initially pushed too fast to the main event after Survivor Series, but I would have kept him looking strong. I wouldn't have jobbed him out to Hardcore Holly because "Holly's a bigger star". That's just bullshit, and everyone knows it's bullshit. Punk is seen as Heyman's boy, with youth, potential and a hot Diva girlfriend. The guy could cure cancer and the WWE would say something like "Well, Bob Holly's had surgery so many times he's given a lot of finances over to the medical field. I think he's the bigger contributor to science..."

I'm not so much angry about the guy's position on the roster (he is where he should be), but rather how much bitterness there is against him by guys like Finlay, who are great wrestlers, but never really set the world on fire. Punk comes in, they don't like it that this new age pussy is over, so they try and beat it out of him. It's why the wrestling industry is still a carny business.

So many points to make... *sigh*

1. First, I figured at least 5 people would make a "hometown" comment; alas, only 2 brought it up. Read my post: I never said he was from Philly. I said it was a home crowd, as in a place full of people who are especially in tune with him. A varitable RoH kinda place, as Destor pointed out earlier.

2. Good.

3. Just because chicks like the "I used a lazy rat for a pillow" look doesn't mean he's attractive. Besides, his appeal, in that category, most likely comes from being young, famous, in the money, and not Randy Orton.

4. I did not say the pop was random. You need to read, Aussie. What I said, was that he did nothing to instigate it. The pop has nothing to do with whatever accomplishments he may have achieved, as he didn't do it. If you want to discuss Great Moments in WWE Crowd Participation, then sure, the SS Punk Pop (which sounds like a gay cruise ship) fits right in. But since he didn't do anything, it doesn't count as something he did.

5. I also never said the kid was overrated. Not in a general sense. All I was trying to get across, was that he has yet to impress me, as an individual fan, either way, and that there's really no call for the consistant griping from the internet about the justice in his treatment by the company.

6. Undertaker, JBL and Flair have been there more than twenty minutes, too. On top of that, JBL has never impressed me, I detest Flair with an unstoppable passion, and I've heard more stories about Taker helping the new guys as opposed to snubbing them. Authority is something earned, not assumed; just ask Headless Marie. And again, nobody's disputing the guy has fans. It just seems, as uneducated as I may be, a little more important to focus on building a healthy repoire with your co-workers. I would think any performer would want a reputation that keeps you as desirable to work with as you are desirable to watch.

7. They've had a thouisand chances to make a star out of Holly. They have opted otherwise. Any schmuck can tell you, the man's career is weak, at best, and having him anywhere near a World Title is a fucking joke. It just goes back to him being there for 14 years. He has the seniority and, wether we like him or not, a definite amount of authority about him. You think if Punk tried to pull the same crap Bob does backstage that he'd still have a job? Of course not. Vince and his crew are big on nepotism, and they run their gig like a frathouse. The simple fact is, seniority rules; everyone else gets a black eye. Especially the French.

Like I said,k I don't dislike Punk as a person -- I don't even know the guy. But there is seriously nothing there to go fuckin' bananas over.

[Afterlife]

By the way, we've done battle before; I hope this doesn't hinder our ambiguously suggested pseudo-romance. <3