Ugh... Sony, why must you be retarded?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Don't get me wrong, I love my :PS3, but sony is just shooting themselves in the fucking foot.

If you haven't heard, the "Price cut" is more of a markdown... Apparently Sony dropped the $100 off to move the remaining stock of the 60gb model, and once that's done, they'll discontinue it, leaving the new 599 package...

Hopefully Sony gets enough bad press and rethinks their decision...... If not, they're fucking up big.

[KingofOldSchool]

:rofl:

[chrisat928]

I heard this was Sony Europe that announced this, not Sony America. So until SoA announces this, who cares? I already got two PS3s, so who cares?

[KingofOldSchool]

Kaz clears up the confusion



"[There is no] two SKU strategy in the US. We found out very quickly customers respond to just having one SKU."

"We dropped the price on the 60GB model, as you know that model is no longer in production. Once that model is no longer on store shelves there's just the $600 SKU."

http://atvs.vg.no/player/?id=10235

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Fucking A brillant Sony...

[KingofOldSchool]

Us Americans are retarded and can't tell the difference between two different versions of the same product.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Apparently... What's worse is that the new "model" is worthless if you don't want Motorstorm... 100 more for 20gbs of memory.... They need to keep the 60gb and keep it at 499

[KingofOldSchool]

Oh and I guess they are doing away with the backwards compatibility.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Where'd you see that?

I thought they were making the new model the same as whatever the EU one has.... It has X amount of games that the BC doesn't work on, but patches fix that...

[Xero]

LOL, wow, Sony is really fucking up. They had something great with the PS2, it was no question the biggest console last gen in terms of library size and quality within that library. Now they have very little games (even for this time in release) and hardly any are worth playing, plus they've lost a good chunk of their exclusives.

[Silent]

Oh and I guess they are doing away with the backwards compatibility.

You mean they are going to use emulation instead of actually packing in the Emotion-Engine chip, right? I haven't heard anything about them actually removing backwards compatibility so I'm curious.

[Stickman]

I'm kind of confused. What exactly did they do to be retarded? I dont' keep up on the latest trends in video game consols.

[road doggy dogg]

hahaha ps3

[Kane Knight]

hahaha ps3

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'm kind of confused. What exactly did they do to be retarded? I dont' keep up on the latest trends in video game consols.

They announced a $100 price drop for the 60gb ps3, and introduced an 80gb PS3, that comes packaged with Motorstorm, for $599.

A few days later, it comes out that they're not producing any more of the 60gb model, and the price drop is to sell off the inventory of them. So essentially, it's a price drop while supplies last, and then back to a 599 model.

[Stickman]

so what does the 60GB sell for now after the price drop?

[Xero]

$499.

[Stickman]

sorry, but I don't see why this makes sony retarded. People will still buy it and I bet the mark up is insane.

[Kane Knight]

sorry, but I don't see why this makes sony retarded. People will still buy it and I bet the mark up is insane.

Well, my slow Canadian friend, it's mostly that they are discontinuing the 60 GB model.

This isn't a price cut, it's clearance. They're getting rid of the 60 GB model, and selling only a more expensive model which has 20 GB more and Motorstorm as extras.

I'm not even sure why you're so fixated on the price.

Also, the PS3 is taking the biggest hit per unit of the three consoles. So no, the markup isn't insane.

[G]

BUT GUYS MGS4 IS COMING!!!!!!11

[Kane Knight]

Well, you changed my mind. I'll piss my money away on a system to get one game, which will likely be ported within a year, despite the decline of said series.

[KingofOldSchool]

Well, you changed my mind. I'll piss my money away on a system to get one game, which will likely be ported within a year, despite the decline of said series.

BUT THE GRAPHICS!11!1 OMGZ THE GRAPHICS MAKE UP FOR EVERYTHING ELSE!1!!

[mrslackalack]

I have to say that PS3 is in 3rd right now behind Wii and 360.

[mrslackalack]

Even the PSP is lagging in sales compared to the DS. I even heard on T.V. that UMD's might end as well.

[KingofOldSchool]

Even the PSP is lagging in sales compared to the DS. I even heard on T.V. that UMD's might end as well.

Well hello Captain Obvious!

[Kane Knight]

Even the PSP is lagging in sales compared to the DS. I even heard on T.V. that UMD's might end as well.

EVEN the PSP? Come on, the PSP's been doing horrible for like, forever.

And UMDs have been effectively dead for almost a year. They've been on life support.

I just wish the DS would put out more kickass games. seriously.

[KingofOldSchool]

EVEN the PSP? Come on, the PSP's been doing horrible for like, forever.

And UMDs have been effectively dead for almost a year. They've been on life support.

I just wish the DS would put out more kickass games. seriously.

I take it you don't like puzzle games much?

[Boomer]

How can you possibly expect Sony to outduel Nintendo in the handheld console market? I have a PSP and I like it very much and I think Sony has put out a good product. I have just as much fun with my DS. I like Sony at least attempting to make a name for themselves in a market that was pretty much taken over by another company completely.

[Kane Knight]

I take it you don't like puzzle games much?

Actually, I have a lot of puzzle games. I just want some depth to the roster.

[Kane Knight]

How can you possibly expect Sony to outduel Nintendo in the handheld console market? I have a PSP and I like it very much and I think Sony has put out a good product. I have just as much fun with my DS. I like Sony at least attempting to make a name for themselves in a market that was pretty much taken over by another company completely.

LOL.

[Boomer]

I'm glad you enjoy having me around.

[Kane Knight]

I do. I enjoy the logic there a lot. Though I agree with the first statement.

[Boomer]

I just like seeing more than one company in the market, thats all. The logic may be a bit flawed, yes.

[Sepholio]

Er, PSP has been heavily improving recently in sales. UMD was almost gone for movies, an now it is making a resurgence in sales and is being brought back to stores that quit selling them. Plus they announced a new PSP model. Explain to me how that equates to the PSP not doing good or the UMD being canned?

[Sepholio]

Also, in terms of consoles, the PS3 is lagging because it is the most expensive AND the hardest to develop for. Once a permanent price drop comes in and developers find easier ways to create software (which ALWAYS happens around the 2nd or 3rd generation of titles for a console), PS3 will take off. Most industry experts say tha PS3 will stay behind in sales and what-not until 2009-2010, then will blow past the 360 and Wii, and crush them horribly in the long-run.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

sorry, but I don't see why this makes sony retarded. People will still buy it and I bet the mark up is insane.

If you mean mark uo from Sony, you're wrong. Making a loss per console sold.

[Sepholio]

If you mean mark uo from Sony, you're wrong. Making a loss per console sold.

This is the main reason I'll stick with Sony. Any company willing to lose several hundred dollars PER console is obviously producing a superior machine, trying to make their fans happier, and planning for the long run.

And don't give me that shit about how Microsoft has lost 1 Billion USD on the 360. I doubt they planned for their machine to be fucked up and full of bugs, resulting in them having to pay out the ass to repair all the damaged consoles. Or if they did plan on it, it means they knew they were marketting a shitty product and just released it to cash in on the market by being the first out of the gate.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

This is the main reason I'll stick with Sony. Any company willing to lose several hundred dollars PER console is obviously producing a superior machine, trying to make their fans happier, and planning for the long run.

And don't give me that shit about how Microsoft has lost 1 Billion USD on the 360. I doubt they planned for their machine to be fucked up and full of bugs, resulting in them having to pay out the ass to repair all the damaged consoles. Or if they did plan on it, it means they knew they were marketting a shitty product and just released it to cash in on the market by being the first out of the gate.

Even before the problems, MS were losing cash per console sold.

In fact, Nintendo are the only manufacturer to be making a profit per console, including PSP. MS are maing a profit on the XBox division now though, the 360 has an attach rate of close to 6 games per 360 console owner.

[Sepholio]

Of course Nintendo is the only one making a profit. Outside of their amazing motion sensor technology, which I think will become very niche once people realize that the Wii really is going to have shitty software since nobody besides Nintendo is making good games for the Wii, they are selling an inferior product. The ONLY reason they are leading in sales is because they are super cheap compared to other consoles. Hell, they are cheaper than consoles of the LAST generation at debut by a ways, too.

[Shaggy]

BUT THE GRAPHICS!11!1 OMGZ THE GRAPHICS MAKE UP FOR EVERYTHING ELSE!1!!

except for the $600 that will be missing out of my pocket....

[chrisat928]

Was I the only one who was prepared for the PS3? When they announced it I started taking $25 from each paycheck and put it in an account. By the time the PS3 came out I had enough for two of them(didn't buy two though, just one.), a Wii and a nice 40 inch HDTV.

[Kane Knight]

This is the main reason I'll stick with Sony. Any company willing to lose several hundred dollars PER console is obviously producing a superior machine, trying to make their fans happier, and planning for the long run.

And don't give me that shit about how Microsoft has lost 1 Billion USD on the 360. I doubt they planned for their machine to be fucked up and full of bugs, resulting in them having to pay out the ass to repair all the damaged consoles. Or if they did plan on it, it means they knew they were marketting a shitty product and just released it to cash in on the market by being the first out of the gate.

Dude, are you retarded?

[Kane Knight]

Was I the only one who was prepared for the PS3? When they announced it I started taking $25 from each paycheck and put it in an account. By the time the PS3 came out I had enough for two of them(didn't buy two though, just one.), a Wii and a nice 40 inch HDTV.

I could buy one right now. I never saved for it specifically, but I can afford it. Believe it or not, there are some people who just don't think the value's worth it. We understand the value of a dollar. And we feel that that much for a toy is a waste.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Was I the only one who was prepared for the PS3? When they announced it I started taking $25 from each paycheck and put it in an account. By the time the PS3 came out I had enough for two of them(didn't buy two though, just one.), a Wii and a nice 40 inch HDTV.

As I've said before, I love my PS3, but it's not hard at all to understand why people don't want to buy one.

Essentially, you have a more expensive system, with a blu ray player, that so far, doesn't have a huge selection of games, and as of right now, not many exclusives that make the system a must have.

Graphically, while I have no doubt the PS3 has barely touched it's potential (Naughty Dog, for example, said that Uncharted, Drake's Adventure, taps only 30% of the ps3's potential.), so far, it has not been visually better than the 360.

Right now, if you don't want a bluray player, the 360 looks like the better deal (the failure rate is huge, but apparently Microsoft is trying to fix that.) If Sony kept the price drop long term, get a library of great exclusives, and utilizes more of it's potential, then maybe people who CAN afford one will be willing to spend money on it.

[Kane Knight]

As I've said before, I love my PS3, but it's not hard at all to understand why people don't want to buy one.

Essentially, you have a more expensive system, with a blu ray player, that so far, doesn't have a huge selection of games, and as of right now, not many exclusives that make the system a must have.

Graphically, while I have no doubt the PS3 has barely touched it's potential (Naughty Dog, for example, said that Uncharted, Drake's Adventure, taps only 30% of the ps3's potential.), so far, it has not been visually better than the 360.

Right now, if you don't want a bluray player, the 360 looks like the better deal (the failure rate is huge, but apparently Microsoft is trying to fix that.) If Sony kept the price drop long term, get a library of great exclusives, and utilizes more of it's potential, then maybe people who CAN afford one will be willing to spend money on it.

:y:

PS3 will be awesome about the time of the Nintendo 2Wii and the XBox 1080. The problem is, right now, all that technology isn't worth the cost. Sure, it's WORTH it, but you can't do much with it, so it's still really not.

[diothoir]

This is the main reason I'll stick with Sony. Any company willing to lose several hundred dollars PER console is obviously producing a superior machine, trying to make their fans happier, and planning for the long run.

And don't give me that shit about how Microsoft has lost 1 Billion USD on the 360. I doubt they planned for their machine to be fucked up and full of bugs, resulting in them having to pay out the ass to repair all the damaged consoles. Or if they did plan on it, it means they knew they were marketting a shitty product and just released it to cash in on the market by being the first out of the gate.

Whatever way you cut it, losing money is losing money.

[Kane Knight]

Whatever way you cut it, losing money is losing money.

Not to mention that losing money on the console is the standard business model. Not something new, or unique to Sony. that's like being loyal to the XBox because it has a disc system. Without the billions in losses, the 360 was still a hit every time one was sold. Even Nintendo didn't always make their systems to be profitable. That's a new deal.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

:y:

PS3 will be awesome about the time of the Nintendo 2Wii and the XBox 1080. The problem is, right now, all that technology isn't worth the cost. Sure, it's WORTH it, but you can't do much with it, so it's still really not.

Sony will be fine once it gets a decent base. Most developers seem satisfied developing for the 360, and then porting to the PS3. Once Sony gets a strong base (which hopefully the price "cut" will help), developers will start spending more time on games for the system.

I'm interested to see how games like MGS4, Uncharted, Killzone 2, etc, do, since they are being developed just for the PS3. I think those will show the PS3's power much more than the ported games will.

[darkpower]

Hmm...

I can't help but think that we're forgetting that Sony had a 20GB PS3 and that that model is mysteriously MIA right now.

Could it be that whoever first "broke" the story fucked up in what they were discontinuing, or could it actually BE the 60GB that is being axed, or is the original reporter (not the guy who posted this) neatly tried to lie to fuck up Sony?

Something tells me they meant to say 20GB instead of the 60GB one.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Hmm...

I can't help but think that we're forgetting that Sony had a 20GB PS3 and that that model is mysteriously MIA right now.

Could it be that whoever first "broke" the story fucked up in what they were discontinuing, or could it actually BE the 60GB that is being axed, or is the original reporter (not the guy who posted this) neatly tried to lie to fuck up Sony?

Something tells me they meant to say 20GB instead of the 60GB one.

Unfortunatly not, they already announced a while back the 20gb model had been discontinued.

http://ps3.joystiq.com/2007/07/14/ps3-60gb-is-not-a-price-drop-its-a-clearance-sale/

As the story played out on Friday, there were many people at E3 scrambling to get what the real story was and comparing notes on the madness we had heard the night before. Most conversations regarding the subject started with, "There's no way it could be true." But here we are -- if the 80GB model doesn't receive a similar price drop, we'll be stuck with a new package for the PS3 at the old price of $599.

[Kane Knight]

Hmm...

I can't help but think that we're forgetting that Sony had a 20GB PS3 and that that model is mysteriously MIA right now.

Could it be that whoever first "broke" the story fucked up in what they were discontinuing, or could it actually BE the 60GB that is being axed, or is the original reporter (not the guy who posted this) neatly tried to lie to fuck up Sony?

Something tells me they meant to say 20GB instead of the 60GB one.

Could be, except you know....The rest of us are aware.

The 20GB has been discontinued. For a long time. It also doesn't fit with the "Single Sku" method they've mentioned. Since, you know, that would still mean that there were two Sku's. Very specific stuff mentioned in this very thread.

Critical thinking. Reasoning. These are not your enemies.

[Stickman]

So with this clearance, does this mean that they're not making any more games for it, or can you still play games but have less GBs?

[Kane Knight]

"This...Is the point. This is your finger...Far from the point...Straight up your ass."

Modified, but I think Kevin Smith would approve.

[DaveWadding]

So with this clearance, does this mean that they're not making any more games for it, or can you still play games but have less GBs?

Can I ask you a serious question?

How is it possible for you to function in your own life when you're clearly mentally handicapped?

[Stickman]

Ms Wadding can I ask you a serious quesiton?

How is it possible for you to function in your own life when you're clearly too obese to do anything? When's the last time you could look down and see your penis without moving the fat. I think I saw you on A&E once. I think the show was called the One Tonne Man.



As for the topic at hand. As I said, I dont' keep up with the video game shit but I don't see why dropping the price of a system they're trying to get rid of is shooting themself in the foot. In business, if you aren't making any more product and you need to get rid of the remain stock, you clearance it at a lower price.

Now I'm not sure if the system they're selling at the reduced price in favour of the better one can still play new games it puts out. Is it a product they're just completely abandoning, games and all? Or is it just a system with not enough computerish capabilities for what customers want, but can still play new games?

[darkpower]

Could be, except you know....The rest of us are aware.

The 20GB has been discontinued. For a long time. It also doesn't fit with the "Single Sku" method they've mentioned. Since, you know, that would still mean that there were two Sku's. Very specific stuff mentioned in this very thread.

Critical thinking. Reasoning. These are not your enemies.

Just a thought, but maybe the guy that wrote that article never realized that AND fucked up the reporting.

We see it all the time. It's called Fox News.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Stickman, the Gigs have nothing to do with the games. Games that work on the 20Gb and the 60 Gb model will work on the 80 Gb model, and vice versa.

[Kane Knight]

Just a thought, but maybe the guy that wrote that article never realized that AND fucked up the reporting.

Just a thought, that's fucking stupid, given the actual QUOTES in here referring to the single SKU issue.

You know what's a lot like Fox news around here?

Your posts. You don't look at the info and perpetuate that which you wish to without regard for the evidence. Don't talk about Fox News, or any other inaccurate source, until you grow a fucking brain.

[Kane Knight]

Ms Wadding can I ask you a serious quesiton?

How is it possible for you to function in your own life when you're clearly too obese to do anything? When's the last time you could look down and see your penis without moving the fat. I think I saw you on A&E once. I think the show was called the One Tonne Man.



As for the topic at hand. As I said, I dont' keep up with the video game shit but I don't see why dropping the price of a system they're trying to get rid of is shooting themself in the foot. In business, if you aren't making any more product and you need to get rid of the remain stock, you clearance it at a lower price.

Now I'm not sure if the system they're selling at the reduced price in favour of the better one can still play new games it puts out. Is it a product they're just completely abandoning, games and all? Or is it just a system with not enough computerish capabilities for what customers want, but can still play new games?

:lol: Still missing the point.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Europe isn't going to get the 80gb model because "it isn't worth it".

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/16/scee-president-going-up-20-gb-is-not-worth-it/

Look out, Reggie and Pete! If Sony Computer Entertainment Europe president David Reeves keeps it up he's going to take the lead as our favorite executive. First there was the fire sale incident, which you may have heard something about. Now there's this interview with Dagbladet TV. When asked why there's no 80 GB PS3 in Europe (at about 3:40 in), he actually responds: "You know, the difference between 60 and the 80 gigabyte is very small. We just feel that going up 20 gigabyte is not worth it. If you're going to double it, it's worth it. So maybe you'll see something a little bit later, but 60 and 80? Really not much difference."

[darkpower]

Just a thought, that's fucking stupid, given the actual QUOTES in here referring to the single SKU issue.

You know what's a lot like Fox news around here?

Your posts. You don't look at the info and perpetuate that which you wish to without regard for the evidence. Don't talk about Fox News, or any other inaccurate source, until you grow a fucking brain.

When did my posts suddenly become your worst enemy. I'm not spewing THAT much "incoherency", am I? Oh wait, I'm the next Alienoid to you, which, for some weird reason, you hate for no reason, and here I thought you were on my side for alot of these things.

Here's the deal: Yeah, I wasn't caught up on the "discontinuation" of the 20GB model which, apparently, they did eons ago. I can't read anything on that site because I don't know that language. I'm sorry if I wasn't made aware of this way beforehand.

Doesn't mean I have any less of a brain than you have. I just have less of an ego than you have.

[darkpower]

By the way, this came from Gamepro's website about this:



Sony: $499 PS3 available 'for months and months'

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GamePro speaks with Sony's Dave Karraker to get the company's self-examination of their 2007 E3 performance in addition to 60GB PS3 availability and Chewbacca cameos.

http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/games/news/images/122489-1-1.jpg Chewbacca holding the new PSP at E3

"I suppose I would have to give us an 'A' for the press conference; I assume our competitors will give themselves an 'A' too, so I would hate to not follow suit," Karraker said in candid form. "I think we really listened to gamers on this one and showed them what they wanted."

By listening, the Sony spokesman was directly referring to the oft criticized high PS3 price and lack of attractive games. "For the PS3, those gamers said they wanted a lower price, so we delivered," he said. "They wanted more games, so we showed them nearly 30 of the 120 titles coming to PS3 this fiscal year.

"In regards to building excitement for the system, I think we delivered."

With regards to Nintendo's and Microsoft's conferences, the Sony executive stayed classy.

"I didn't see anything but snippets of the other two company's press conferences, so I can't really give a fair evaluation," Karraker said. "Sounds like Nintendo had some interesting news on the peripheral side. Microsoft made a nice buzz with Halo 3.

"At the end of the day, I can only judge our own press conference and if we achieved our goals... Did I mention we were the only company to have Chewbacca give their CEO a hug on stage? Can't beat that with ewok."

Indeed they were. On the topic of the newly discounted (http://gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=120888) now discontinued 60GB (http://gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=122329) PS3, Karraker had this to say:

"I am disappointed that news related to the 60GB in North America didn't come from our market. We have ample supply to last us for months and months, so any upheaval over the stop in manufacturing of this model is ill-placed. As we said on Friday, we won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated."

Hopefully "months and months" means until at least 2008.

[Kane Knight]

When did my posts suddenly become your worst enemy. I'm not spewing THAT much "incoherency", am I? Oh wait, I'm the next Alienoid to you, which, for some weird reason, you hate for no reason, and here I thought you were on my side for alot of these things.

Here's the deal: Yeah, I wasn't caught up on the "discontinuation" of the 20GB model which, apparently, they did eons ago. I can't read anything on that site because I don't know that language. I'm sorry if I wasn't made aware of this way beforehand.

Doesn't mean I have any less of a brain than you have. I just have less of an ego than you have.

"Worst enemy?" Don't flatter yourself. Besides, Stickman's still slightly more of a moron.

I'm curious as to how actually reading information already provided in a given thread has anything to do with my ego. If you have a brain (Which I'm severely doubting right now), you have failed to use it, and to nick from Mark Twain: He who does not think has no advantage over he who cannot think.

You are, quite frankly, failing to make intelligent statements. You've made unfounded conclusions, as well as conclusions that go against actual information, and then defended them on the grounds that you were too stupid to actually think or reason or read.

The "Persecution" Deal is just another mark of an idiot. I'm anti-stupidity. Merely stop being stupid, start thinking, and criticism of your posts will stop. There is no animosity here, beyond what you have brought.

But seriously, you keep making dumber and dumber statements, and backing them up by pleading even more stupidity!

BTW, the months and months comment is unlikely, and that's once again just applying critical thinking.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

One thing that makes me wonder, is that they had to have the removal of the 60gb in mind when they said they're hoping to sell 11 million by the end of the year.

Honestly, they know how well it's been selling at 599, so I'm wondering how much of that number is projection of the 60 gbs left, and how many of that number is how much they plan to sell of the new model by the end of the year.

[Kane Knight]

One thing that makes me wonder, is that they had to have the removal of the 60gb in mind when they said they're hoping to sell 11 million by the end of the year.

Honestly, they know how well it's been selling at 599, so I'm wondering how much of that number is projection of the 60 gbs left, and how many of that number is how much they plan to sell of the new model by the end of the year.

They probably plan to sell the 60 GB model off entirely by the end of the year, and are banking on decreased costs moving them. At only 100 bucks more than the elite, it seems like more of a value.

This is just an educated guess.

They've already shipped something like 2-3 times the number of units sold, so there's a lot of wiggle room in those figures.