Best There Is, Best There Was, Best there ever will [Archive]

BigDaddyCool

08-06-2007, 01:58 PM

I guess Bret never saw Kurt Angle coming. I'm pretty sure Kurt at his craziest would beat Bret at his finest.

What do you say.

Xero

08-06-2007, 01:59 PM

Kurt Angle could take that title and I would not object. I honestly believe he's the best professional wrestler ever.

The One

08-06-2007, 02:03 PM

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/00/3amigos.jpg
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Kurt Angle is the man. No questions asked. Bret Hart is a bitch. No explanations needed.

The Man > A Bitch

addy2hotty

08-06-2007, 02:04 PM

I agree. Kurt can play any role and is about the level of performer as Hart was in his heyday. But I could never buy Hart as a heel. He never looked convincing imo. That's where Angle is better. Hart could play babyface and that's about it. Angle feuded with EVERYONE and I can't remember one feud that was boring. Including his final feud with Cena.

Hart, despite my personal opinion about him, is one of the best ever - but Angle - in his prime - was better than Hart in his prime.

James Steele

08-06-2007, 02:04 PM

There isn't anything Kurt Angle can't do in wrestling.

The One

08-06-2007, 02:08 PM

BigDaddyCool

08-06-2007, 02:09 PM

I agree. Kurt can play any role and is about the level of performer as Hart was in his heyday. But I could never buy Hart as a heel. He never looked convincing imo. That's where Angle is better. Hart could play babyface and that's about it. Angle feuded with EVERYONE and I can't remember one feud that was boring. Including his final feud with Cena.

Hart, despite my personal opinion about him, is one of the best ever - but Angle - in his prime - was better than Hart in his prime.

Kurt past his prime is still better than Hart during his prime.

The One

08-06-2007, 02:10 PM

The One

08-06-2007, 02:12 PM

Anybody Thrilla

08-06-2007, 02:44 PM

Bret Hart was easily my favorite growing up, and he will always have a special place in my heart...but Kurt Angle is the best of all time.

Zen v.W.o.

08-06-2007, 04:01 PM

Angle is highly overrated.

Wrestling wise, he thinks like an amateur, but he forgets to sell, he forgets to use proper psychology.

As for the entertainment side of things, Angle was fine as a dufus, but that's about it. Crazy, RAAAAWRRRR Angle made me take a piss break every time he came on tv.

And a dufus cannot compare to the Excellence that is the Hitman. When Angle gets reactions that Bret was getting with ease, then we can talk.

BigDaddyCool

08-06-2007, 04:03 PM

Angle is highly overrated.

Wrestling wise, he thinks like an amateur, but he forgets to sell, he forgets to use proper psychology.

As for the entertainment side of things, Angle was fine as a dufus, but that's about it. Crazy, RAAAAWRRRR Angle made me take a piss break every time he came on tv.

And a dufus cannot compare to the Excellence that is the Hitman. When Angle gets reactions that Bret was getting with ease, then we can talk.

I disagree.

Zen v.W.o.

08-06-2007, 04:16 PM

I dont see why. Angle acting as if he could be anything but a dufus just wouldnt take. His intense promos and his drooling and foaming at the mouth that you saw later on in his wwe career was just pretty laughable. How anyone could take him seriously I do not know. He couldnt pull that off well at all. And the fans didnt buy it. He looked like he needed to take a serious shit for most of those remaining months or years whatever it was.

He couldnt even find his own fucking entrance music.

The Naitch

08-06-2007, 04:19 PM

zen is getting riled up

Dorkchop

08-06-2007, 04:23 PM

Dorkchop

08-06-2007, 04:25 PM

Also Stasiac made that segment even better.

BigDaddyCool

08-06-2007, 04:42 PM

I dont see why. Angle acting as if he could be anything but a dufus just wouldnt take. His intense promos and his drooling and foaming at the mouth that you saw later on in his wwe career was just pretty laughable. How anyone could take him seriously I do not know. He couldnt pull that off well at all. And the fans didnt buy it. He looked like he needed to take a serious shit for most of those remaining months or years whatever it was.

He couldnt even find his own fucking entrance music.

I still disagree. Kurt is god...a crazy god...but a god none the less. Hart had the same match every time all the time.

McLegend

08-06-2007, 04:47 PM

lol c'mon now. Angle has been doing the same match for a long time now.

BigDaddyCool

08-06-2007, 05:21 PM

lol c'mon now. Angle has been doing the same match for a long time now.

Nuh-uh. Angle is way more awesome.

Slow

08-06-2007, 05:42 PM

Angle's wife > Hart's wife

'nuff said

McLegend

08-06-2007, 06:42 PM

Nuh-uh. Angle is way more awesome.
That might be true, but he's still been wrestling the same match for a few years now regardless of how awsome he is.

Outsider

08-06-2007, 07:04 PM

Also Stasiac made that segment even better.

He made a lot of segments better.

I miss him :(

I'm sure I'm the only one though!

Jordan

08-06-2007, 07:13 PM

Promo wise he is better for sure. But Bret's matches are a lot more entertaining. Bret is easier to watch for me. Kurt probably one day could suprass Bret as the greatest wrestler ever, but he has only been a pro for about 8 years. At this point in Bret's carrer he was just getting his first tag title (maybe not even). And I haven't seen Bret's Calgary work but I can only assume it was better than his WWE work, given the greatness of his opponents. Tough debate, but I say Bret because he is a legend and Kurt isn't yet.

loosecollector

08-06-2007, 09:01 PM

Angle's wife > Hart's wife

'nuff said
I've heard Bret's got a new wife bro...

mrslackalack

08-06-2007, 11:30 PM

and Brets new wife is pretty hot, although I would still prolly chose Karen Angle over her.

mrslackalack

08-06-2007, 11:31 PM

A prime Bret vs a prime Angle 60 minute match would be a instant classic IMO.

FourFifty

08-06-2007, 11:37 PM

Kurt <strike>right now</strike> before TNA > Bret in his prime

The Miz

08-07-2007, 12:14 AM

A prime Bret vs a prime Angle 60 minute match would be a instant classic IMO.

Nah

Zen v.W.o.

08-07-2007, 12:18 AM

I still disagree. Kurt is god...a crazy god...but a god none the less. Hart had the same match every time all the time.

KOTR 93 is just one example that immediately came to mind that disproves your theory.

Angle wishes he could work with just about anyone and make them look good. It's a rare gift though.

Angle looked good because Benoit made him look good. When he wasnt wrestling Benoit, Angle looked inconsistent, and plainly above average athletically, but as a pro wrestler, he was not the man.
Shamrock was a great shoot fighter, but not a great pro wrestler. Same deal applies here. They were good, but not even top 5.

Shisen Kopf

08-07-2007, 12:48 AM

The best ever was clearly Kevin Nash. If you disagree you don't know wrestling and you should just go away and the second best wrestler ever was clearly D-Lo Brown.

Shisen Kopf

08-07-2007, 12:49 AM

oh yeah, Bart Hart or whatever his name was can't even hold the jock strap of Shawn Michaels who was a great rassler. If Brot were so good, he would have beaten Michaels at Survivor series 97!

OssMan

08-07-2007, 12:55 AM

In my opinion Kurt Angle was a better champion than Bret Hart but Bret Hart was a better psychological wrestler and knew how to sell moves, also Angle had a better title reign

Shisen Kopf

08-07-2007, 01:03 AM

Jake the Snake was better.

BigDaddyCool

08-07-2007, 01:06 AM

The best ever was clearly Kevin Nash. If you disagree you don't know wrestling and you should just go away .

Agreed, and let it be written into law.

Shisen Kopf

08-07-2007, 01:12 AM

also, the title of the thread is the best there is and was and all that. Yet no mention of Tyson Tomko or Prince Albert??????

loosecollector

08-07-2007, 01:17 AM

Jake the Snake was better.
In psychology, yes... also in Math.

Nervous Ferret

08-07-2007, 01:38 AM

Well at least we can all agree that Bret Hart is the most overrated wrestler of all time. :y:

Shisen Kopf

08-07-2007, 01:45 AM

Well at least we can all agree that Bret Hart is the most overrated wrestler of all time. :y:

Owen was better. Why did God not take away the crappier Hart brother instead of Owen?

loosecollector

08-07-2007, 02:24 AM

Owen was better. Why did God not take away the crappier Hart brother instead of Owen?
Bret is winning the Polls :D - http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=66863

Shisen Kopf

08-07-2007, 02:29 AM

that poll was unfair and biased and I think it is racially unfair. I got tricked into voting for Bret, what a sham!

The MAC

08-07-2007, 04:26 AM

Bret is abetter pro wrestler n story teller than Angle.Bret could adapt styles in the ring from brawling with Austin to technical wrestling with Benoit. All without being hooked on drugs.If you believe Angle surpasses bret, youre fuckn. stupid

Jura

08-07-2007, 07:22 AM

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Slow

08-07-2007, 04:04 PM

Edge > Angle and Hart combined

Jeritron

08-07-2007, 06:19 PM

Kurt Angle and Shawn Michaels are the best ever inside the ropes. They're both entertaining as hell on the stick too.

Jeritron

08-07-2007, 06:24 PM

I feel guilty not naming Flair and others as well, but there's always lists and stuff.
IMO, single best all-time, HBK.

The One

08-07-2007, 06:26 PM

Justing based off of the people mentioned on this page alone...

Flair > Michaels > Austin > Angle > Benoit > Edge > the stick > Hart

James Steele

08-07-2007, 07:01 PM

If Michaels wouldn't have had to retire in 1998 and missed the "Attitude Boom", Michaels would easily have been considered one of the greatest of all time no questions asked (of course his back injury was just to get out of jobbing right Rob?).

Jeritron

08-07-2007, 07:49 PM

Him not being a part of the big attitude boom sucks in the sense that we didn't get to see him be a part of that era and be surrounded by stars like Austin, Rock, HHH, Foley, Angle, Jericho etc.

The same can be said about Bret. It would have been amazing in theory for him to be around during that time.

HOWEVER, if it weren't for Michaels absence (and Bret's departure for that matter) that boom period as we call it wouldn't have been the same. I'd go as far as to say it may never have even happened. The same stars wouldn't have risen to their spots, and the freshness of the scenery and faces wouldn't be there.

Also, they may have gotten stale. Don't get me wrong, it'd have been great to see Bret vs HHH in 2000, or HBK vs The Rock and all that jazz. But a big part of the appeal of how great those things would have been is as a result of them not taking place. The want for HBK to come back grew more and more simply because he wasn't around during this time.

P.S. HBK could have, and was supposed to, be back in action and part of the WWF circa WM17.