NBA finals prediction thread!!!

[The Outlaw]

An 8th seed will probably win when they can break a guy's back and not get called. That's a pretty good indication of who's going to win, you know?

I dunno, it's a hunch.



rofl

And to think what you would be saying if calls were going AGAINST you. :D

[BCWWF]

We would probably not say anything, like Lakers fans always do. We wouldn't defend it, just like the Nuggets fans aren't defending this, sucka.

[The Outlaw]

Sucka?

hahaha settle down junior I was just pointing out a fact :y:

[BCWWF]

Haha, I didn't mean to offend

[AlphaBean]

rofl

And to think what you would be saying if calls were going AGAINST you. :D

Wolves have been getting called for touch fouls -- they ended up with as many fouls as the Nugs, and the Nugs were trying to foul the Wolves. If you watched closely, you'd notice that the Wolves pulled back whenever there was a breakaway etc. 1) They weren't trying to hurt anybody and 2) They didn't want to get into foul trouble. Why? Because they knew they'd be called for everything, like Cassell getting pushed down by Miller.

But it's hilarious... Anderson injures Wally, and Nene tries to injure KG. When KG comes up uninjured, the crowd boos. But the Wolves aren't going to go out to hurt anybody, but 'Melo falls on Camby and gets hurt. :lol: I gotta laugh at that. It's Karma. You hurt others, you end up hurting yourself, too.

And here's the sad thing: The Nuggets know they won't win the series, so they're going to hurt the Wolves as much as possible so that the Wolves won't win it all. They're trying to soften us up, hence the "happy to be here" thing. They aren't trying to advance, because they know they'd never make it all the way, so they want to make sure the team that eliminates them doesn't advance far either. :nono:

[The Outlaw]

Ok, BCWWF Im not really sure where I was offended but if it makes you feel better, then thats cool.

I dunno I saw that foul Nene had on KG. Personally I didnt think he was trying to injure him. Hard foul? Yes. I thought it was a very good playoff foul. You dont want the other team to have a breakaway dunk, thats just a momentum killer/gainer. There's been a lot of those fouls in the playoffs, in fact I've seen 3 or 4 of those and I've not been watching every game.

Going off topic a little, but did anyone catch last nights Kings-Mavs game?

6 seconds left, Mavs with the ball, Dirk gets it and gets fouled intentionally by Peja twice because Peja was trying to get a foul called since they had one left, and nothing is called. In my mind that's worse than the ref calling Nene's a normal foul.

[AlphaBean]

I thought it was Nene, it was Elson.

Yeah, see, Anderson and Elson are nobodies -- scrubs, so they're sent out to take themselves out of the game by Flagrant fouling. They're "taking one for the team," because they know what they're doing.

The way you USED to foul on a breakaway, was to chop the arm. That way, he can't shoot, and you save the breakaway... but both times it was body-on-body. When a player is prone in the dunk position, running your body into them without them seeing and being FULL SPEED you know full-well what you're doing. They're not stupid, so I know they know that they're going to hurt the Wolves doing that.

What Nene did was ran a shoulder into someone. He crossed his arms and just lowered his shoulder, knocking the guy flat on his ass. :wtf:

Like the Wolves said, they're letting their game speak for itself. They're playing clean and not talking shit. Spree got a little excited :shifty: but for the most part, it's the Nuggets who are trying to play headgames with the Wolves. :foc: You can't psych KG out. And I hope that Spree and Sam are good enough to not let it get to them.

[The Outlaw]

Oh, I didnt see that one then. I saw the one where KG stole it (I think?) and was on a breakaway with Nene trailing, and Nene fouled him hard and KG went "flying" into the camera people and stayed down for a few seconds. Thats the one I was commenting on.

LOL I dont even know who Elson is? :$

Anderson is the man though :love: I like his hair and the fact that he knows hes there for energy so he provides it.

Well, I just think both teams need to look at Dallas and Sacramento and learn from those guys. Respect all around in that series.

[The Outlaw]

But I have to admit, guys who don't like each other = entertaining :love:

[BCWWF]

I find it funny how Elson one of the guys doing a lot of talking, when his line from the last game looked like this:

11 minutes, 0-3 shooting, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steels, 3 personal fouls


"A cheap shot by a low-class player" Elson.

Anyway, Denvers hard fouls were something that mainly had to be kept to Denver, because hard fouls in Minnesota get the crowd going against them. Denver's chances of winning = slim. I am a little worried though, everyone here, including myself, is pretty much just expecting a win and not even thinking that we wont.

[The Outlaw]

Didn't he say Garnett was gay and was grabbing his groin area?

He then apologized to the gay and lesbian community, haha

Anyway, minute and a half and they are still shooting free throws, I'm going to have to take a look at the box score, the Nugs have shot maybe 6 free throws.

Not saying that the calling is bad but normally they shoot more free throws than their opponents, very rarely do they get outshot 30 something to 6 or 8.

LOL after tonight I have to say, Jon Barry is the man :love:

[BCWWF]

What did Jon Berry do? I only watched the beginning and the end.


Oh yeah, by the way the monkey is off our back, here we come Sacramento.

[The Outlaw]

He's just the man.

The crowd was all over him and he would hit a shot and then put his finger to his lips.

Then the crowd chanted "Barry sucks dick" (classy) while he was shooting free throws, and he turned to them and acted like he was crying

Haha he is the man

[BCWWF]

At least he backed up his talk...or wait

[The Outlaw]

lol I see what you did there :y:

[The Outlaw]

Are people really dancing in Minnesota?

Are there really riots? :rofl:

[BCWWF]

What?

[BCWWF]

Hey CNM, feel free to comment :wave:

[The Outlaw]

I dunno one of the announcers said that there were going to be riots and such in MN

Just kinda thought that was silly. Plus KG kept saying "ITS GOING TO BE A RIOT IN HERRE" the other day

[BCWWF]

Lol, I dunno I don't have the news on. There were riots after the U of M hockey national championship, but the Gopher fans are probably a little more rowdy than the yuppies who can afford T-Wolves tix. Anyway, that is kind of funny if people riot after a first round, wait until we win it baby!

If we had Troy Hudson I would say that our chances would be much higher, but just because the only guy who can handle the ball behind Sam is Derrick Martin, that could hurt us in the thick of things. Damn.

[The Outlaw]

But, before I head to bed seeing as I have an exam at 8 tomorrow, it was an exciting series, even if certain parts about it pissed me off.

Also, Ervin Johnson is the man.

Thought it was closer than a 4-1 series, but oh well. The Nuggets arent quitters, they proved that. Are the T'Wolves for real? I'll get back to you after the Kings series. :)

[The Outlaw]

Yeah Troy Hudson could provide a huge spark if he wasnt out.

He was the man that almost broke our backs last year. :(

Ight, Im out. Im awaiting Bean's response. :D

[CNM]

LOL, congratulations T'Wolves. You did what you were supposed to do. You beat the #8 seed. I'm impressed. No really, I truly am. The Wolves are gonna get worked over by the Kings. Just watch.

[BCWWF]

On an unrelated note, I believe Dave Wadding was holding a quote of mine, saying the Wolves would win first round, to use against me at a later time. I demand an apology from Dave, how could you ever doubt my judgement?

[BCWWF]

One thing, please nobody blame this game/series on Carmelo being injured, we all know it didn't matter.

On the Nuggets: They are definately a good team and some good young players, now they just have to build around that a little bit more. I don't think Carmelo will turn out to be a Kobe Bryant, but more like a Latrell Sprewell, probably a bit better though. So if Denver slowly drops some of their weak links and adds other solid players, this could definately be a good team in the upcoming years, unfortunately I don't see a drastic improvement for at least 2-3 years, mainly because the top of the West doesn't seem to be dying quite yet.

[AlphaBean]

One thing, please nobody blame this game/series on Carmelo being injured, we all know it didn't matter.

On the Nuggets: They are definately a good team and some good young players, now they just have to build around that a little bit more. I don't think Carmelo will turn out to be a Kobe Bryant, but more like a Latrell Sprewell, probably a bit better though. So if Denver slowly drops some of their weak links and adds other solid players, this could definately be a good team in the upcoming years, unfortunately I don't see a drastic improvement for at least 2-3 years, mainly because the top of the West doesn't seem to be dying quite yet.

If Melo keeps improving, then the Nugs are to be feared. They DO need the Vet experience though. Lenard was the biggest threat, then Boykins, then Milller/Camby/Boykins. Need that experience.


I'll reply to the issue tomorrow.

[PureHatred]

The Nugs are nasty. Carmelo and Nene are nightmares one on one. And they'll have Andre Miller and Camby around for a while. They need a couple of nasty vets with size to do the dirty work and develop some kind of half court offense, but that's going to be a vey good team. They win more games than Dallas next year, I'm sure.

[BCWWF]

It looks like Dallas will still have Dirk and Finley next year, but Nash and the Antoine/Antwan connection are up in the air. Dirk sucks, so if he is the only guy they keep they're screwed.

[Ninti the Mad]

I'm sorry but Minnesota will fall.

[BCWWF]

I don't think we have great chances of winning the league, but beating Sacramento isn't a longshot by any means

[AlphaBean]

We have home court, we have an extremely favorable record against Sacto/SanAn/LA, and we have the MVP.

Could we fall? Sure, but so could everyone else.

Could we go all the way? You're damn skippy.

[BCWWF]

I don't know why San Antonio got all the publicity going into the playoffs, they won their past like 10 and the Wolves won the final 8, so they were both hot. The Wolves have beaten Sac twice in Arco, plus we have home court, so ask me and thats a favorable matchup. What is going to hurt us now is Wally and Hudson on the bench.

[Ninti the Mad]

Spurs just beat the Lakers in the first round.

Haha the Lakers were doing a pretty good defensive job the first three quarters.

And BCWWF, we still have our streak going on.

Up to 16 nowwwwwww

[The Miz]

hahahaha f</>uck you lakers.

bcwwf, nash will be on dallas next year. see dallas could've been a favorite to win the championship this year if they would've gone out and gotten defense instead of shitty players like antoine walker. the thing that hurt them most was lack of defense and leadership, which is provided by 3 words: nick van exel. i don't think dallas realized how important he was, other than maybe bobby jackson he's the most valuable back-up PG in the league. no way he was worth jamison. not that jamison's a bad player but more offense off the bench isn't what dallas needed. what dallas needs to do is keep the core of the team (nash, finley, and dirk) and the 2 rookies and go out and get a real center and some defense and get rid of players like walker, jamison, and bradley.

[AlphaBean]

So all they need is defense, leadership, and a center.

Hmm. That's not a lot to ask for, is it? :wtf:

Maybe a coaching change, because with all that talent you'd think they'd be able to do SOMETHING.

[BCWWF]

Really if they could keep Jaimison, I don't think he hurts the team at all. Walker has to go, and they have to get a scrappy, defensive center, because everyone knows that Dirk offers nothing defensively despite his size.

The way I look at it is that there are two kind of centers, one that is just a purely dominant big man who overpowers and is, well, dominant (Shaq, Duncan) or else the center that acts as the sidekick to the power forward, doesn't do a tonn on offense or defense, but is a big presence in the paint and can distribute the ball well and score/rebound when the time comes, the best example of this is Vlade Divac, but guys like Ervin Johnson fit this catagory also. In my opinion, if you don't fit into one of those catagories, you aren't a very effective center (maybe a few exceptions).

Now Dallas is in a predicament. They don't need another roleplayer to fit in the holes, but they don't have room offensively for another dominant big man. Dirk offers nothing when it comes to getting strong rebounds, and that is exactly what they need. The best guys for the job would be Ben Wallace, Brad Miller, Erick Dampier, Dennis Rodman :shifty: So basically they probably won't have any luck in this offseason getting the big rebounding center that they need.

[BCWWF]

My main piece of advice would be to drop Dirk. With a perimeter team of Nash and Finley, you don't need a pussy three point shooter as your dominant big man. If they lost Dirk and got Chris Webber, Tim Duncan, or Kevin Garnett, I think they would easilly be the best team in the league.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Well Walker is a free agent now so thats the first step.

The thing to realise about the mavs is that the first thing that they care about is being a succesful bussiness. And they are by all means. Cuban built the team to make him money, he may not come close to a championship like Indiana or New Jersey but look who is selling out at home and on the road, who is getting thier games on tv and who is selling the merchandise

The thing is that the Mavs are far away from a championship team but they will be a great business for a number of years to come

[The Dub]

hahahaha f</>uck you lakers.

bcwwf, nash will be on dallas next year. see dallas could've been a favorite to win the championship this year if they would've gone out and gotten defense instead of shitty players like antoine walker. the thing that hurt them most was lack of defense and leadership, which is provided by 3 words: nick van exel. i don't think dallas realized how important he was, other than maybe bobby jackson he's the most valuable back-up PG in the league. no way he was worth jamison. not that jamison's a bad player but more offense off the bench isn't what dallas needed. what dallas needs to do is keep the core of the team (nash, finley, and dirk) and the 2 rookies and go out and get a real center and some defense and get rid of players like walker, jamison, and bradley.

Nick Van Exel did give them leadership, but not defense. The moment I found out he was traded, I immediately wrote Dallas off. They would have been the first team to blow a 3-0 lead and lose the series if it weren't for Van Exel. They wouldn't have beaten a Webber-less Kings without Nick Van Exel. Antawn Jamison shouldn't have won Sixth Man of the Year. A sixth man that makes as much as your superstar is making me wonder if Mark Cuban is in over his head when it comes to owning an NBA team. Look at the Kings. They got better by trading for better players, not by trading your mentally toughest player for Antawn Jamison. I thought getting rid of Raef LaFrentz was a good move, but Walker is a terrible 3-point shooter and he shoots it too much. Hell, LaFrentz is a better 3-point shooter. He was just a defensive liability, though. They have to somehow get Nick back while he is open to returning there , get rid of Jamison and Walker for someone or two players not named Scott Williams who can play defense and re-sign Steve Nash, which can only be done be getting rid of Jamison and/or Walker. With all the bad deals they made last off-season, the Mavericks have actually taken a few steps back. How do you add two scorers when you need defense? Just plain stupid. They trade their toughest player and now their soft-asses again. And they wonder why they aren't taken seriously as championship contenders. Hell, Minnesota has taken their spot as one of the elite teams in the league.

[AlphaBean]

Yeah, imagine that, having the MVP and the #1 seed and becoming elite. I was scared for the Wolves there for a minute...

[BCWWF]

Van Exel has stated that if he is not playing for one of the Texas teams next year, he won't be playing. San Antonio, Houston? I would say he is hinting pretty strongly towards Dallas again, so that is a good sign, they might be able to pull him in for less than he is worth.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Well considering he had an off year full of injuries I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas got him cheap. Especially since San Antonio and Houston are awful fits for him.

[FacelessBum]

Minnesota what?

haha

So how does it feel to play a team that is not Denver? :love:

[DaveWadding]

Spree: 2 for 13
KG: 6 for 21

hhahahahahahahahahahahhaha

[AlphaBean]

Wolves played better all game, got fewer calls (:wave: David Stern!) and Latrell Sprewell WOULD NOT STOP SHOOTING THE ****ING BALL.

I can honestly say that the Wolves beat themselves.

SCRATCH THAT.

SPREWELL BEAT THE TIMBERWOLVES

ARGH

I AM GOING TO BURN THAT MOTHER****</>ING JERSEY.

2-14. 1-7 3-pointers. Christ almighty.

[CNM]

Minnesota is done. Spree isn't gonna get wide open shots like he did against Vo Lenard and C-Webb and Brad Miller aren't gonna get into foul trouble like Nene did. Alien can't go for 40 every night.

[AlphaBean]

Spree: 2 for 13
KG: 6 for 21

hhahahahahahahahahahahhaha

Everyone said "KG needs to take it inside."

He did. He was triple-teamed the entire game and drove hard to the basket, was hacked and went to the line what, twice?

He had 3 travels because he couldn't shoot the ball because his arms were tied up. It was pathetic.

But Spree? HE WAS OPEN ON MOST OF THOSE GODDAMN SHOTS.

[AlphaBean]

Minnesota is done. Spree isn't gonna get wide open shots like he did against Vo Lenard and C-Webb and Brad Miller aren't gonna get into foul trouble like Nene did. Alien can't go for 40 every night.

Spree was wide open. He's a non-factor. Even on his "best game," in Gm 5, he was shit.

Miller and Webber were non-factors tonight. It's Bibby who will determine the outcome of the series.

Do I have faith in my Wolves? Eh. They played hard, and Hassell was a BEAST tonight. I marked out bigtime for him. But when Hoiberg, Hassell and Madsen are our best players after Cassell, something's wrong.

I can't believe we're paying Spree so much. He broke my heart tonight. :'(

[CNM]

KG travels on almost every possesion. No suprise that he actually got called for it a few times.

[CNM]

Spree has become nothing but a spot up shooter. When his shot is off, he's useless. He's lost a few steps.

[AlphaBean]

KG travels on almost every possesion. No suprise that he actually got called for it a few times.

He's fouled on every possession, too, when he goes inside.

Even when people complained that he got 'all the calls," he still only made it to the line 15 times, when someone like Duncan or Kobe or whoever will get to the line 20+ times A GAME, not just on a good game.

That's the thing. If you looked, he had hands draped all over him, he had to take an extra step. He gets no love.

But Spree. :foc: I hope the Bobcats take him.

[AlphaBean]

Spree has become nothing but a spot up shooter. When his shot is off, he's useless. He's lost a few steps.

He can defend, but that's what Hassell does... and Hassell is a better shooter than mother****ing Sprewell, and Hassell WAS CUT BY THE BULLS.

[CNM]

KG only has himself to blame though. He falls in love with his jumper and takes nothing but 20 footers and baseline fallaway jumpers.

[AlphaBean]

KG only has himself to blame though. He falls in love with his jumper and takes nothing but 20 footers and baseline fallaway jumpers.

Would you go inside if you didn't get calls? He tried going inside, was mauled every time, not called one ****ing time, and got frustrated.

That's not very like KG though, usually when he's upset he just tries harder. This time he just got straight-up frustrated.

Sprewell though, he didn't give a fuc</>k. He just kept shooting like he was at practice. :foc:

[Heyman]

The winner of Lakers/San Antonio will win.

T-Wolves and Kings are pretenders.

Don't even get me started on the East. :rant:

[AlphaBean]

Spurs got this.

If the Lakers make it again, they will not be able to handle the Pistons. Pistons are beasts, and will beat the shit out of them. The Lakers are too old and fragile to handle the Pistons, so they would not be able to survive 7 games. Duncan is too steady, too consistent. You can't do anything to stop him besides put him on the line, and while the Pistons will do that, he'll still bomb on them.

[Heyman]

Spurs got this.

If the Lakers make it again, they will not be able to handle the Pistons. Pistons are beasts, and will beat the shit out of them. The Lakers are too old and fragile to handle the Pistons, so they would not be able to survive 7 games. Duncan is too steady, too consistent. You can't do anything to stop him besides put him on the line, and while the Pistons will do that, he'll still bomb on them.

I'm a huge fan of Ben Wallace, but I don't think they'll be able to contain the Lakers. If the Lakers get to the finals, I'm pretty sure that Payton and Malone will be at their bests.........(knowing that this will be their last and CLOSEST chance at winning). They'll be at the top of their games....and will look 5 years younger. Kobe and Shaq will still be Kobe and Shaq. :naughty:

[The Icon of Elisim]

Yeah Heyman is right, Pistons would beat the Lakers on paper but will beats skill. And it wouldn't hurt that the refs would definetly be helping out the Lakers with Payton and Malone looking for rings.

[AlphaBean]

I'm a huge fan of Ben Wallace, but I don't think they'll be able to contain the Lakers. If the Lakers get to the finals, I'm pretty sure that Payton and Malone will be at their bests.........(knowing that this will be their last and CLOSEST chance at winning). They'll be at the top of their games....and will look 5 years younger. Kobe and Shaq will still be Kobe and Shaq. :naughty:

Hopefully though, Ben will stomp on Shaq's toe, run into Kobe's shoulder, and twist Malone's knee. :love:

[Ninti the Mad]

Haha

Shaq's "toe"

What a pussy injury.

[The Dub]

Minnesota is done. Spree isn't gonna get wide open shots like he did against Vo Lenard and C-Webb and Brad Miller aren't gonna get into foul trouble like Nene did. Alien can't go for 40 every night.
And Sac isn't even at full-strength. Bobby Jackson has yet to play in the postseason. The only player I can think of that can get 40 a night on the Kings in the playoffs is Nick Van Exel, but he's in Golden State. He did average 25 a game off the bench against Sac last year. Anyway, if Minnesota can't get to the line at home, then yes, they are done. By the way, Trenton Hassell SUCKS. The Kings don't need a player to score 40 to win, anyway. They are too deep for the Wolves. Olowokandi has yet to show up in the playoffs. He's making Ervin Johnson look good and that's bad.

[Ninti the Mad]

Bobby Jackson is gone for the season.

Poor guy. He was such an inspiration to watch.

[AlphaBean]

And Sac isn't even at full-strength. Bobby Jackson has yet to play in the postseason. The only player I can think of that can get 40 a night on the Kings in the playoffs is Nick Van Exel, but he's in Golden State. He did average 25 a game off the bench against Sac last year. Anyway, if Minnesota can't get to the line at home, then yes, they are done. By the way, Trenton Hassell SUCKS. The Kings don't need a player to score 40 to win, anyway. They are too deep for the Wolves. Olowokandi has yet to show up in the playoffs. He's making Ervin Johnson look good and that's bad.

Troy Hudson and Wally Szczerbiak?

:rolleyes:

"full strength,"

My ass. Wolves spit on your full strength. They would have won the game if Spree could have scored.

Hassell held down Peja pretty well and scored 17, and he's not a scorer. And he sucks?

Wolve have been beating the Kings all season long. But they're evenly matched. Hopefully the Wolves make a series of this and don't bend over like they used to do in the 1st round.

[The Outlaw]

lol

[BCWWF]

First of all, the Pistons aren't winning any NBA finals. Maybe they will get there, but they don't have enough offense to beat a team like the Lakers. If Sac or Minnesota somehow makes the finals, the Pistons would have a chance at taking two games off, but the West is way to dominant, and the Pistons aren't going to be holding the Lakers down to 60 points, ever.

[BCWWF]

As for last nights game, the Timberwolves didn't play well at all, yet we still ended up right with them until the end. That is a good sign for me. Chris Weber is a non-factor, he plain and simply sucks. You throw him the ball, he stands there with it, he doesn't move, he doesn't do anything. Chris Weber is one big statistic, he ends up with good stats, but he isn't a dominant player, he doesn't dominate the game, he doesn't do anything to change the game, he compares nothing to Shaq, Duncan, or Garnett, not even close.

This series is going to do right down to the line, there is no question in my mind. The Kings are so streaky now, the Wolves have a different player step up every night, anyone who said the Wolves would sweep the Kings is an idiot. Anyone who says the Kings will sweep the Wolves is an idiot. This is a great matchup, I am not going to predict a winner, but if theres not at least a game 6 I will be shocked.

[Ninti the Mad]

As for the whole Van Evel Texas team thing... The Spurs are 10 million under their salary cap.

I know they wont pay him that much so stfu. :foc:

We have plenty of money to restructure the team to redefine it even more.

We will be beasts next year.

[The Dub]

Troy Hudson and Wally Szczerbiak?

:rolleyes:

"full strength,"

My ass. Wolves spit on your full strength. They would have won the game if Spree could have scored.

Hassell held down Peja pretty well and scored 17, and he's not a scorer. And he sucks?

Wolve have been beating the Kings all season long. But they're evenly matched. Hopefully the Wolves make a series of this and don't bend over like they used to do in the 1st round.
Spit on your full strength? Regular season doesn't mean anything. It's amazing how T'Wolves fans aren't able to grasp that concept. You really think Trenton Hassell would have a game like that again in his life? No. They let him shoot. No one is gonna guard Trenton Hassell. You can't beat anyone getting 20 less free throws less than your opponent, especially if that team has the best FT'er in the league. You should win at home if you have homecourt advantage, so I don't wanna hear the what if's and the would-coulda-shouldas. If Spree scored......If KG had a good game......If they would have gotten to the line.... it doesn't matter. They lost the game, the homecourt advantage, and ultimately the series.

[The Dub]

As for the whole Van Evel Texas team thing... The Spurs are 10 million under their salary cap.

I know they wont pay him that much so stfu. :foc:

We have plenty of money to restructure the team to redefine it even more.

We will be beasts next year.
I agree that Nick Van Exel probably won't be picked up by San Antonio. His best bet is going back to Dallas, but I don't know if the Mavs are smart enough to take him back. Dallas has never signed a big-name free-agent. It's scary to see what the Spurs can do with all that cap room. If they repeat, I smell dynasty.

[AlphaBean]

Spit on your full strength? Regular season doesn't mean anything. It's amazing how T'Wolves fans aren't able to grasp that concept. You really think Trenton Hassell would have a game like that again in his life? No. They let him shoot. No one is gonna guard Trenton Hassell. You can't beat anyone getting 20 less free throws less than your opponent, especially if that team has the best FT'er in the league. You should win at home if you have homecourt advantage, so I don't wanna hear the what if's and the would-coulda-shouldas. If Spree scored......If KG had a good game......If they would have gotten to the line.... it doesn't matter. They lost the game, the homecourt advantage, and ultimately the series.

Stern was there, the refs called the game as though it was played in Sacto. The T'Wolves never had home court.

Also, the Nuggets let Hassell score, and he did. He will hit open shots... but Spree better god damn well ****ing score. For what he's making, if he can't score he's useless.

[Ninti Ishkur]

I would just like to say 17 game winning streak.

No loss since March 23 which was to the Grizzlies by one point.

[BCWWF]

I don't know what Rabidwolverine has against Trenton Hassell, all year. He is our best defensive player (minus KG), he always guards the best guys, and has held some of the best shooters in the league to low nights. Did you see Peja throwing up the air balls the other night? It wasn't coincidence that Hassell was guarding him. Nobody is expecting him to score more than 7 points a night, so nobody will be dissapointed if he doesn't surpass that for the rest of the playoffs, he is out there for his defense, its an added bonus when he can put up good numbers.

Theres another reason KG was MVP besides his talent, and don't worry, you will see the other reason Saturday night, and if Spree is ever that cold in the playoffs again, hell has frozen over. Its laughable that you count us out.

[BCWWF]

I hate to say it (I hate them), but the Spurs are easilly the team to beat now. LA just can't cut it.

[The Outlaw]

Welcome to what I was saying a month or two ago. ;)

[BCWWF]

I didn't believe it until they went up 2-0 on the Lakers, now I think they're fo' real.

[AlphaBean]

What I realized about the Spurs is that they are not as streaky as the rest of the teams. They're steady, and that will take them far, unless they catch a team on a massive up-swing. Like, Wolves at the top of their game would destroy the Spurs at the top of their game. But the Wolves don't have the depth or the youth to be at the top of their game for this long, unfortunately. :-\

They'll make some noise, but they won't bring it home. They need a ****ing draft pick. :'(

And Ndudi Ebi does not count!

[AlphaBean]

Stern was there, the refs called the game as though it was played in Sacto. The T'Wolves never had home court.

Also, the Nuggets let Hassell score, and he did. He will hit open shots... but Spree better god damn well ****ing score. For what he's making, if he can't score he's useless.

One wise guy said the Wolves were in trouble as soon as NBA Commissioner David Stern arrived at Target Center wearing a purple tie (Kings color, get it?). The crew of Bob Delaney, Danny Crawford and Monty McCutchen was especially shaky in the third quarter, slapping six fouls on Minnesota in a span of 96 seconds.

By the end of that quarter, the Wolves managed to pull even at 73-73. But take away Sacramento's freebies and the home team could have been in front by six points or more.

Several of Minnesota's 18 turnovers came when ball handlers got bumped or jostled without whistles. Also, on a number of Garnett's misses, he was getting nudged down low, where refs rarely look.

The Kings know they have the correct gameplan: Hack-an-MVP. Refs don't call it. Never have. The Nuggets were stupid, trying to defend KG, rather than hack him. They fouled him so often because they thought they could stop him. The Kings know better. You can't stop KG, you can only beat him up.

But then, the Nuggets knew that, which is why they abused him IN THE OPEN, instead of in traffic under the basket.

[CNM]

LOL, the Wolves can cry about it. The refs screwed the Nuggs over in the last series, so I've got no sympathy for them.

[The Outlaw]

The Kings know they have the correct gameplan: Hack-an-MVP. Refs don't call it. Never have.



I would just like to say ROFL

That is all.

[AlphaBean]

LOL, the Wolves can cry about it. The refs screwed the Nuggs over in the last series, so I've got no sympathy for them.

The nugs screwed the nugs. They couldn't have been more obvious in their fouls. The Kings are subtle, at least...

[AlphaBean]

I would just like to say ROFL

That is all.

Hey, man. The refs are screwing the Lakers too. :|

[The Icon of Elisim]

Open your eyes Alphabean the wolves are not as great as you think

And they could not beat the Spurs in a series, at least not without Wally or Hudson

[AlphaBean]

The Wolves had streaks where they beat everyone.

They're not that great? They're in the West and are the #1 seed. They had one of the toughest final schedules, and they came into it trailing the Lakers and Kings for #1 seed.

Not as good as I think? I think they're beatable. I also know that Stern hates them because of the Joe Smith thing. They won't get any respect because of that. At least not in Stern's lifetime.

I've said like three times in this thread that the Spurs will probably take it. I pick them to win. But I also said the Wolves could. They have beaten the Spurs plenty of times, they could do it again. But it would be an uphill battle. :(

[BCWWF]

LOL, the Wolves can cry about it. The refs screwed the Nuggs over in the last series, so I've got no sympathy for them.

If by "the refs screwed the Nuggs over" you mean that they had any chance whatsoever of winning that series, then ROFL

[The Outlaw]

Hey, man. The refs are screwing the Lakers too. :|

:(

[The Outlaw]

LOL@Sacramento punking out

Oh well, took 1 out of 2 so it's alright. Nice to see Sammy has been watching Major League :rofl:

Also to Bean and whoever else that thinks KG gets no calls, LOL

[AlphaBean]

:( I missed the game. I followed it on NBA.com though.

Let me guess... he took 14 foul shots so he was getting all the calls?

Like I said, the "superstars" get twice that many shots in a game. 14 in a game is considered "stellar" for KG but for an MVP it's only "okay."

Either way, whew, that was some crazy ass play down the stretch. Wolves up 35793207509324 then they're down 10 in a heartbeat, then I'm like, "**** this," and give up... then I go back and they're back in it, then they're back ahead and then win. Honestly, I pegged them for the L. :$

But then I can usually tell by how the Wolves are playing to see whether they can win or not. Game 1 I knew they were playing well enough to win, but all the no-calls were a huge factor.

Either way, whew. Let's hope the Wolves can take the next three. :D

[The Outlaw]

lol

They are lucky the Kings went away from their gameplan, else they wouldn't have went on a 13-0 run ;)

Yeah he shot 12-14 free throws. I saw so many laughable fouls called on people guarding KG. One was called on Brad Miller for "tripping" (ref's words). Yet Miller was the one that ended on the ground :wtf: It either was going to be a foul on Miller or Sacramento's ball so ya know it was going to be a foul ;)

Anyway yeah, KG had a little bit of a better game than in game 1, shooting 14 free throws compared to 4 in game 1. :p

[AlphaBean]

lol

They are lucky the Kings went away from their gameplan, else they wouldn't have went on a 13-0 run ;)

Yeah he shot 12-14 free throws. I saw so many laughable fouls called on people guarding KG. One was called on Brad Miller for "tripping" (ref's words). Yet Miller was the one that ended on the ground :wtf: It either was going to be a foul on Miller or Sacramento's ball so ya know it was going to be a foul ;)

Anyway yeah, KG had a little bit of a better game than in game 1, shooting 14 free throws compared to 4 in game 1. :p


Well don't worry, the Kings are going back to BALCO arena, the refs only have to blow minimal calls to keep the games in the bag. Doubt the Wolves will win either of the two games, but maybe they will, just to keep the series interesting. The refs call according to what would make the ratings the best, everyone knows that. It's just RARE that the Timberwolves winning = ratings. The league hates the Wolves. :(

So if the Wolves winning brings up ratings, you'll see KG on the line 40 times a game. :yes:

Anyway, game 1 the Wolves took 25 3-pointers. :wtf: That's like over twice as many as usual. Gameplan changes. Wolves lost a big lead and cut one down and won. Good enough for me I guess...

[The Outlaw]

The league hates the Wolves?

Wolves: 105-143
Opponents: 89-119

:?:

[The Outlaw]

And that's not counting tonight, but I think it was just a one shot difference tonight.

[Ninti the Mad]

Oh god.

That Laker/Spur game was horrible.

The refs werent calling alot of fouls on the Lakers. Then the Spurs would get called on stupid things.

[BCWWF]

The league hates the Wolves?

Wolves: 105-143
Opponents: 89-119

:?:


WTF is this?

[BCWWF]

There is no doubt in my mind that the Wolves will split 1-1 in Sacramento. They have already won there twice this year in playoffl like settings, there is no way they lose both.

[The Outlaw]

Oh god.

That Laker/Spur game was horrible.

The refs werent calling alot of fouls on the Lakers. Then the Spurs would get called on stupid things.

lol

Somehow I knew that was coming. Oh well. :)

The Lakers did what they had to do. They picked their play up, both physically and mentally. They played TOGETHER for the first time in a long time from what I've seen. I said before the game they needed to get rough with Parker and Duncan, which they did. My point was the same as the pre-game commentators, not to get cheap and try to hurt them but to give them hard screens and when Parker drove in make him earn it, which is what they did. Yeah there were some missed calls I will admit it. But, like every game, there are missed calls on both sides so I try not to blame games on the refs. Game 1 and 2 were won by the Spurs, not the refs, that's how I see it, but I guess there will always be fans that say calling was horrible.


WTF is this?


Free throws made-shot by the wolves and their opponents in the playoffs.

[AlphaBean]

Watch the Wolves play. They don't try to foul the other team. Ya dig?

Other teams foul the **** out of the Wolves, because they know the Wolves don't have depth, and they know the refs don't always call fouls when you hack KG...

Last night, Bibby clubbed Sam in the face, grabbed his jersey and pulled on it and wasn't called. He was just mauling the poor alien, and Sam hardly went to the line.

I'm telling you, the Wolves play smart basketball if the refs called a clean game, the Wolves would hardly ever be called for fouls, and the Wolves would be going to the line a lot more often.

[The Outlaw]

LOL

Yeah I will give you one thing, Bibby did grab Sammy boy's jersey.

Dude, what are you on? KG gets a lot of calls.

If I had to name the top 5 guys that get calls, I would say Kobe, Duncan, TMac, KG, and probably Paul Pierce. I don't include Shaq because teams obviously hack him on purpose because of his shitty FT shooting. Then again, Duncan shoots pretty shitty too but teams dont hack him before he jams it on them to send him to the line.

[AlphaBean]

Dude, you don't understand. I WANT the Wolves to foul more. I mean... they get called for shit, and they're just standing there trying to play the ball... nuh uh, don't do that, damn it. You KNOW you're gonna get called, but it's like they're trying to appease the basketball Gods by not fouling hard.

That is, of course, except Mark Madsen who doesn't give a ****. He'll punch anybody. :love: Maddog.

Anyway, KG rarely gets calls. Wolves have won all season without going to the line nearly enough. Most PGs drive the lane and get pounded, but get calls... why? Because they fall down. KG never falls down, he plays it cool, tries to hit shots with arms wrapped around him... and most of the time he does it, because he's MVP. The problem is, with as athletic as he is, I don't know if it would be better if he put some meat on his frame, to size up better against other post players.

[The Outlaw]

lol Yeah madsen is the man

I don't like the fouls like Olowakandi (sp?) did to Brad Miller, which was a blatan flagrant. I like the fouls like the Nugs did to the Wolves. Well not all of them, but one that pops into my head is Nene fouling KG. He fouled him hard yes, but he went for the ball. You make the guy earn his shit. Now, I dont condone hurting a guy by fouling him so hard, thats not what I'm saying. I don't like grabbing the guy and throwing him down (The Olowakandi foul, and a few more pop in my head), I like fouls where you do not let the guy get an easy two points. Make him earn it is my method.

[AlphaBean]

Nene didn't play the ball. He threw his body into KG and put an arm up.

Kandi, man, he has so much talent but he just doesn't care about basketball. If someone could make him care, and be competitive... he could be something special... but Maddog, he plays so hard, because he doesn't have the talent, so he makes up for it in tenacity. If you could put Maddog's tenacity in Kandi's body with Kandi's skill, that would be a future hall of famer, for sure.

I mean shit, Madsen should make it by himself. :D

Madsen + Hoiberg = awesome offseason pickups.

[The Outlaw]

Thist must have been a different foul then because ther one I am talking about he was definately going for the ball, considering he got a piece of the ball.

[AlphaBean]

I'm pretty sure it's the same one, because he did get a piece of the ball because he threw his entire MASSIVE body into KG, knocking him to the ground. Had KG gotten air, 1) Nene wouldn't have gotten any of the ball and 2) He'd have shattered KG's back like Anderson did to Wally.

KG swats breakaways. Less talented players try injuring stars. That's what the Nuggets did, and now the Wolves are less one player for the Kings.

[BCWWF]

I am going to have to assume that Wally will make it back sometime in this series, because there is like two weeks in between games. Daunte Culpepper had the same injury and only missed two weeks, and you know in the playoffs they've got the best guys possible working on that back. I say he will for sure be back by game 6.

I am pissed though, the goddamn NBA like doesn't want us to watch our home teams in the playoffs or something. The game starts here at what, 10:30 or something? Jesus, money is everything in this damned business.

[The Outlaw]

I thought Wally stated something to the effect that Anderson's foul wasn't what injured him?

Am I missing something here? :$

[BCWWF]

Yes, I think you are missing something. Was that comment based around what I said or what bean said, because if it was me I don't know what it means. But anyway, considering the fact that Wally was playing fine until the foul, and then was in pain afterwards, I don't know how else he would have hurt his back?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yea the Wolves really dont get a lot of calls..but I think they will now since they actaully got out of the 1st round

Thats just the way shit works in the NBA...

And Pierce "gets" a lot of calls because he gets fouled a lot...Id say he is right behind Shaq for getting fouled the most times (legit fouls and no BS)

[BCWWF]

Outlaw and Alphabean, when are you guys usually online posting? I always seem to come when you aren't here so I can't join in. Outlaw is here now but I am leaving. :rant:

[The Outlaw]

haha No that's not what I meant. I know that the play was what caused him to be hurt. There's no doubting that. I just thought that Wally said something like he didn't blame Anderson at all for what happened? I can't remember the exact quote but it seems like he said it was actually him misjudging the dunk? I dunno my mind is going blank, CNM help me out here.

I don't really count Shaq as getting a lot of calls because he gets fouled on purpose because of his free throw (or lack thereof) shooting.

[BCWWF]

Oh ok. Actually I think I remember that, he was like "its the playoffs you can't blame someone for that" or something. I am sure that Anderson caused it for the most part, but it wasn't supposed to be bad like it was.

[The Outlaw]

Yeah thats what I was saying, dont know if I did a good job of it tho haha.

HOLY SHIT @ the Wolves - Kings game

I thought it was over and now it's going to OT.

In the Wolves defense, the Kings have had a few calls, but for the most part those calls were given before the comeback.

HOLY SHIT this is a good game :eek:

[The Outlaw]

Wow shitcall on Bibby's last foul and technical

Sammy can jump around and say anything he wants and not get a technical in Game 2, and Bibby throws his headband in the crowd and gets T'ed up.

Oh well still a helluva game, glad I didn't goto bed :D

[The Outlaw]

Well, how anti-climatic :| Thought their was some elbow contact on that last play, but meh whatcha gonna do?



In the Wolves defense, the Kings have had a few calls, but for the most part those calls were given before the comeback.



Well, I spoke too soon, they got a few down the stretch. At one time (before the Kings came back) the free throw advantage was like 25-9 Kings way, and after they came back at the end the advantage was 32-29 Kings. SO that's like 20-7 :eek:

Still, helluva game. Wish Bibby wouldn't have had got that pussy call to foul him out and the technical, but you can't get them all

Oh well, if the Lakers - Spurs game is like this I will be drained :(

[The Outlaw]

lol Hate to have so many posts in a row but I keep remembering things

To all of the fans of Sacramento and Minnesota that left when their team was down, never go to another game, seriously. Pathetic.

[AlphaBean]

Well, how anti-climatic :| Thought their was some elbow contact on that last play, but meh whatcha gonna do?



Well, I spoke too soon, they got a few down the stretch. At one time (before the Kings came back) the free throw advantage was like 25-9 Kings way, and after they came back at the end the advantage was 32-29 Kings. SO that's like 20-7 :eek:

Still, helluva game. Wish Bibby wouldn't have had got that pussy call to foul him out and the technical, but you can't get them all

Oh well, if the Lakers - Spurs game is like this I will be drained :(

Nobody can say shit about Bibby's fouls, after what happened to Sam.

BUT OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL. I had 597890720957094 heart attacks.



AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[AlphaBean]

But yeah that was poor officiating on the whole game. Lots of shit calls, and a lot of shit plays, but god was that a nail-biter to the extreme. A little help from the NBA to be honest, but I don't think the final shot was questionable, you know? Peja tried his hardest to get fouled and Hassell did a great job to not foul him. One of the announcers said Peja initiated contact anyway, went for the foul. They had the best ref on the game and he did some great calls.

Gotta admit, the KG travel was right... but what the hell? KG was slipping all game. Did someone oil his shoes or something?

[Kris P Lettus]

:mad:

:(

[AlphaBean]

:D:D:D:D:D :wave:

:foc:

[BCWWF]

Wolves what?

[Ninti the Mad]

Wolves will die.

[The Outlaw]

Yeah people were slipping all game. It was pretty pathetic.

I agree though, it was a nail-biter. Actually, I thought all of Sam's fouls were legit, besides maybe the one where he and Christie were tied up, that could have gone either way probably. But the other 4 in 2 minutes I thought were legit :p

I just don't see how you can call someone throwing their headband in the crowd a technical, especially considering he didn't say shit to the ref. I mean yeah he was pissed because it was a shitcall. But I mean, you have some guys jumping up and down screaming at the refs and there is no call, but you throw your headband in the crowd OHHHH NO that's so much worse :wtf: If they are going to call that foul then they have to call the one on Hassell at the end of the game. They were both the same sort of contact, albeit that Bibby's might have been less contact because from my view it looked like he just had his hand in front of Hassell and he tried to make it look like his elbow got slapped while Peja looked like he got elbowed on the way up added to the same thing Bibby did. Meh, oh well

Still, minus the shitty officiating all game, it was a great game. I just wish Bibby wouldn't have fouled out. :'(

[BCWWF]

We are so underrated

[The Outlaw]

We are so underrated

Elaborate :)

[BCWWF]

The whole time in the second round, everyone is saying how Sac is going to kill us yada yada yada. They win game one, and its like "The Wolves season is OVER!" Its been like this all playoffs, despite the facts that we have the MVP, the best record in the West, and are undefeated at Arco in the regular season. Just because we don't have the playoff experience doesn't mean that were the worse team, because frankly we are the better team.

[BCWWF]

Damn, third quarter and it looks like both teams are playing pretty poor, but Minnesota just that much worse. Our leading scorer right now is Hassell, the big 3 only have 16 total as we speak. C-Web is doing all the scoring for the Kings. Too bad im watching the game on ESPN-Gamecast. Anyway, the game will end real close, it will come right down to the end.

[BCWWF]

As I'm writing this Minnesota heats up, we are within two now. Hey Weber, wheres your teammates?

[The Outlaw]

Only saw the last 2 minutes :(

[AlphaBean]

Only saw the last 2 minutes :(

It was really the most boring game I've ever seen. Even if the Wolves would have come back... low-scoring, and everyone performed badly...

AND WHO WANTS TO WATCH WEBBER? He stands and shoots. No dunks, no awesome moves, just... standing and shooting. All the time.

Granted, he made every shot he took, but uh, yeah *yawn*

The Wolves weren't there tonight. If KG didn't play on a high level every game, then Trent and Hassell would have been Minnesota's leading scorers.

I am pretty sure the guy was right when he said the Wolves weren't concerned about tonight, since they have home court back. They should have been concerned, but they really were just resting for game 5. :nono:

[Ninti the Mad]

I find it kind of odd that every series is tied at two.

[The Outlaw]

Miami :love:

[AlphaBean]

I find it kind of odd that every series is tied at two.

Not really odd... teams with Home Court will gladly give up the away games. The reason for that is, you play your hardest in games 1 and 2, while the underdog plays its hardest in games 1-4, trying to win 1-2 but can't due to not having Home Court... so that's 4 games straight the underdog wants to win, then it goes back home, and the onus is on them to take one away from the top seed... so they're trying their hardest at home and away, when the top seed can strategically play selective basketball. Like, if you notice, the Wolves/Kings series is the only series where any team won an away game, and it was 2 -- the Kings took a stinker in game 1, and the Wolves gutted out an OT win in Sacto. That meant game 4 was meaningless to Minnesota, so they could rest, while the Kings had to give it the old college try, because being down 3-1 is impossible going back to Minnesota.

If you notice the Wolves and the Pacers both got very physical in game 4 though. They gave up the game, but they softened up the opposition.

[BCWWF]

The only reason we lost last night was because of turnovers. I watched the Wolves bring it back to a tie on GameCast, then I listened to the first half of the fourth quarter, and we just kept turning it over again and again, until it wasn't even worth listening to anymore.

The Wolves started slow, but overall I think both teams stuck by their game plans. The T-Wolves big three still scored more then the other guys, but Sac's plan was to muffle those guys and make Hoiberg, Hassell, Trent etc shoot, and that is exactly what they did.

Turnovers have killed us in every game, if we don't get a lot of them, then they come in the worst situations. The Kings are such a dangerous team, turn the ball over a few times and they have the capability to wipe away a 10 point lead in 2 minutes. I think the Wolves have the more solid overall team, but "these turnovers are killing us"

[The Outlaw]

I would just like to say that I love Fisher :love:

[Ninti the Mad]

fuk u :'(

All I know is that the Spurs better come at them hard on Saturday.

Anyway, if the Lakers win, you can say goodbye to Minnesota/Sacramento.

At least with the Spurs, it would've been a close series.

[BCWWF]

If the Lakers make it to play the Timberwolves next round their whole team will be sitting on the bench with oxygen masks on, dumbass.

[PureHatred]

If the Lakers make it to play the Timberwolves next round their whole team will be sitting on the bench with oxygen masks on, dumbass.

:nono:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

that Fisher shot was kinda ridiculous... .04 seconds :-\

I DUNNO ABOUT THAT 1

Also Webber used to be the man but his injuries have kiled him.....Hes like the next Larry Johnson :(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Not to confuse anyone but I am pulling for the T'Wolves in the series...big Garnett fan

But I also like Webber back from the Fab 5 days..He was the man (except for that whole time out thing)

[The Icon of Elisim]

Woah, Billups just came up huge. Second miracle shot in two night

[The Outlaw]

that Fisher shot was kinda ridiculous... .04 seconds :-\

I DUNNO ABOUT THAT 1



If you watched the replay you saw that it was out of his hands before time expired. :yes:

If the Lakers make it to play the Timberwolves next round their whole team will be sitting on the bench with oxygen masks on, dumbass.

Uhh? Okay? :|

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If you watched the replay you saw that it was out of his hands before time expired. :yes:

Yea but its impossible for the clock to start at the exact moment......I thought there was some type of rule where under .07 you couldnt catch and shoot

Derek Fisher is a dick anyways...Reminds of those Duke dickheads with all the flops

[The Outlaw]

lol I think that's just a "myth" if you will.

They talked about it before the play, they said the difference between three tenths and four tenths is huge in getting a shot off. They said if it would have been three tenths they would have waved it off or something? I dunno pretty sick ending tho

I don't really know if all of it is flopping, but he does flop definately. I think the announcers blame him for flopping when he gets contact with Duncan and other huge guys when it's really just a 260 or so pounder running a 190 or so pounder over. I don't really consider him as big of a flopper as say Vlade.

[Loose Cannon]

Yes, Fisher is a dick. Anyway, that was a great game tonight. I wanted it to go 4 OT's. but no dice. Too many fk'ed up calls that should of been called offensive charges IMO.

[The Outlaw]

Yeah lot of blocking calls tonight

Get off of Fisher :mad: :'(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Tony Parker shitted on Derek Fisher last playoffs and he has been shitting on GP this year

Then he goes and smokes ciggerettes after the game.......thats gangsta

[The Outlaw]

First two games yeah he did shit on them

Been containing him after that though so I'm happy

Gotta see what happens in game 6.

[PureHatred]

Tony Parker shitted on Derek Fisher last playoffs and he has been shitting on GP this year

Then he goes and smokes ciggerettes after the game.......thats gangsta

Yeah, he can smoke all the cigs he wants when he's at home next week.

The rule is under .4 seconds then a catch and shoot is automatically waved off. You'd only be allowed to tip a basket in. Anything more than that can be made and would automacally be reviewed.

And last shot aside, the Lakers dominated most of that game and would've been up huge had they have gotten a single call in the first half whenever they drove to the basket. If you're the Spurs, you're supposed to defend the homecourt. They didn't.

If the Lakers make it to play the Timberwolves next round their whole team will be sitting on the bench with oxygen masks on, dumbass.

The T-Wolves have been able to run in the playoff becuse the Nugs and Kings want to run. The Lakers don't. They'll dictate the tempo. They have more experience. They'll be able to be more physical because its the playoffs. And mentally, they're better prepared. Minnesota is solid, but its not their year.

[BCWWF]

Whoa, I was getting worried when I saw Chris Weber limping off the court, I thought the Kings might actually be good again!

[AlphaBean]

Yeah, he can smoke all the cigs he wants when he's at home next week.

The rule is under .4 seconds then a catch and shoot is automatically waved off. You'd only be allowed to tip a basket in. Anything more than that can be made and would automacally be reviewed.

And last shot aside, the Lakers dominated most of that game and would've been up huge had they have gotten a single call in the first half whenever they drove to the basket. If you're the Spurs, you're supposed to defend the homecourt. They didn't.



The T-Wolves have been able to run in the playoff becuse the Nugs and Kings want to run. The Lakers don't. They'll dictate the tempo. They have more experience. They'll be able to be more physical because its the playoffs. And mentally, they're better prepared. Minnesota is solid, but its not their year.


It's never Minnesota's year.

Who was it who picked Sacto in 6?

:dunno:

Anyway, saw half the ****ing game tonight. Stupid Pistons/Nets.

BRIAN SCATTERBRAIN COMES UP BIG FOR THE NUTS.

My cousin went to the Wolves game tonight. She borrowed my Spree jersey.

SPREE! I bet she got mad love after that game, for wearing the jersey of the guy who went apeshit on the Queens.

Anyway, saw the Fisher play. He caught, stepped, turned and shot in .4 seconds, I don't buy it. Someone should definitely review from the time the clock SHOULD start and in REAL TIME determine the time. Like, to see if the clock started late or was slow or what? Because neh I don't buy it.

[BCWWF]

I find it funny how you guys are so confident that you know what will happen. "The Timberwolves can't beat the Lakers, (insert bias reasoning here)" Well why don't you wait until we get there, and see how much Kobe and Shaq really want to win. I know Kevin Garnett wants to win, and he is a hellof a lot better than Malone and Payton.

[AlphaBean]

Don't forget Sam Cassell wants to win every game. He's hurt though:(

But we got Wally now, so we could just pull a Mavericks, put Wally, Spree, Sam, Hoiberg in there with KG at center... and have them put up 3s all game, with KG crashing the boards. :D

Anyway, the Wolves still haven't played 4 quarters of great basketball, though yesterday was close (though you could tell the Kings were tired as balls, probably saving themselves for tomorrow). Spree only plays well when he's amped up... and if he's not amped up facing the Lakers, then I will never watch the Wolves again until he's gone. :(

[BCWWF]

If Wally comes back, put in some good minutes and shoots well, I think the next game in Minnesota is gonna be against the Lakers.

[AlphaBean]

And now, I will give commentary on Game 5 photos from Kings/Wolves.

http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news33/2jking0515.l.jpg

Miller: "What? I didn't do nothin. The guy over there on the ground attacked ME!
I did not land a kneedrop on him! He should get ejected, too!"

Refs: "If you say so, okay!"

:wtf:

http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news27/1wolf0515.l.jpg

Miller: "Man, if you weighed 50 pounds less and were a foot and a half shorter, I would totally throw you to the ground and kneedrop you, KG."

:lol:

BUT WAIT! Brad Miller would like to offer this piece of evidence in his behalf, from Wednesday's game:

http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news35/6wgal0513.l.jpg

Miller: "See? I am not afraid to push big guys to the ground. Not that I ever fouled Darrick Martin :shifty:"

[BCWWF]

Lol, KG looks goofy in that last pic. Is he dunking or rebounding?

[AlphaBean]

Rebound

[The Outlaw]

It's never Minnesota's year.

Anyway, saw the Fisher play. He caught, stepped, turned and shot in .4 seconds, I don't buy it. Someone should definitely review from the time the clock SHOULD start and in REAL TIME determine the time. Like, to see if the clock started late or was slow or what? Because neh I don't buy it.

Please son, cry about it.

Spurs tried to protest it, it was reviewed, and they denied it. :yes:

I find it funny how you guys are so confident that you know what will happen. "The Timberwolves can't beat the Lakers, (insert bias reasoning here)" Well why don't you wait until we get there, and see how much Kobe and Shaq really want to win. I know Kevin Garnett wants to win, and he is a hellof a lot better than Malone and Payton.

Awesome

Hey since we are making captions, check this out:

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/0516/photo/s_faces_frt.jpg

Cwebb:"Three fouls in the first half?! This guy hasn't had three fouls this whole series!"

KG: :cool:

I had a pretty cool picture from the Denver series, but I can't find it now :(

[Ninti the Mad]

Lakers will win this year.

[The Outlaw]

I hope, don't think it will be easy at all though.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Lakers are going to win

Spurs played scared

I am pulling for the T'Wolves to win it all though. I can't stand the Lakers.

Also Outlaw you seem to be on this big tear lately that T'Wolves get all the calls...I don't think they get anymore calls then anyone else I think you gotta relaxxx

[BCWWF]

I don't know why anyone would be complaining the C-Webb gets fouls. Remember how good they were when he was injured/suspended all year?

[Ninti the Mad]

They kinda did play scared.

The main thing is that the Lakers took advantage of ourlackluster perimeter shooting.

We've been cold since the end of the season.

The Lakers also upped their defense in the paint. They were seriously impeding anything trying to go in with their double/triple teams.

Next year will be different. The Spurs need to get rid of Rasho and get somebody with more body presence who can press the big guys.

They've lacked a good center the entire year since the departure of David Robinson. That is the main thing that killed us. We got pushed around like flies.

Next year though. 10 million current spare salary cap.

[The Outlaw]

LOL I was joking but ok haha

Yeah, the Kings best lineup is Bibby, Christie, Peja, Miller and Vlade/Webber, depending on the matchups of course.

I don't really understand when people say that Webber shouldn't be playing. Yeah he has lost some since the injury because before that he was pretty dominant, but I mean the guy can still play and at times can take it to the best of them, such as KG.

I'm pretty happy though. Lakers are my favorite team, I like the Kings, I like the TWolves ok, and I also like 3/4 teams in the East so its all good. :y:

[The Outlaw]

Yeah I've been saying the Spurs need a center all year.

I knew when they got to the playoffs they would have that taken advantage of.

They need to try to keep a lot of this team together though I think.

[AlphaBean]

Seriously. Does anyone here think that the Wolves aren't getting ****ed on ALL the calls?

I mean Brad Miller threw half a dozen people to the ground and was never called. Hell, he had his hand on KG's face for like 10 seconds before FINALLY being called. RUBBING HIS HAND IN KG'S EYES.

What is that?

He's a big fag, and even Vlade admitted that the Kings cheat to win. They fight dirty and the Refs protect them. He admitted that. TURNOVERS? KG's hand gets hacked, he loses the ball, Christie dunks on a breakaway with KG 6 inches away and KG is called for the foul.

Dear God this is ugly. Brad Miller must be Karl Malone's biggest fan. I hope if the Kings beat us, Shaq and Malone make Miller their bitch. Like ping pong his ass back and forth until he's crippled.

[The Outlaw]

Dear God this is ugly. Brad Miller must be Karl Malone's biggest fan.

:?:

[BCWWF]

Anthony Peeler is going to die

[BCWWF]

Somebody tell me when the T-Wolves can make a shot.

[The Outlaw]

LOL KG doing a little boxing move

[BCWWF]

KG didn't do anything wrong there.

Peeler elbows him to the ground, the next posession he bumps him with the shoulder and Peeler throws two elbows to the face? WTF is that? Why did we only shoot one FT and they shot 2? Why didn't we just keep Peja's 1/2? Why can't Sam Cassell shoot the ball? God damnit.

[BCWWF]

Well Buford just made his shot, he's done for the game now

[The Outlaw]

I dunno didnt see it so I dont know what happened

I was just told that KG gave him an elbow, Peeler gave him a shot boxing style and then KG put his dukes up and hopped around in a boxing style and then went to the bench when the benches cleared?

Wish I coulda seen it :mad:

Well Buford just made his shot, he's done for the game now

;)

[BCWWF]

Why is Buford making shots and KG not?

[BCWWF]

OK, Christie and Bibby both have 5 fouls, Peeler is out, over 5 minutes remaining. What are we doing?

[The Outlaw]

I just started watching it so I dunno what all has happened :(

BUFORD

[BCWWF]

Hey Predrag, you f'ing blow.

[BCWWF]

Alright, there are so many guys who can fould out at any second, we are within 9 points, win this game.

[The Outlaw]

LOL

"I think everyone in this arena has 5 fouls"

[BCWWF]

Jesus Fu</>cking Christ

[BCWWF]

Remember game 7 of the Western Finals two years ago, when Christie kept having open 3's to win the game but he would air ball worse than I would have?

[BCWWF]

Drop a three and make a stop, damnit.

[BCWWF]

I'm getting sick of these Nike/Sprite/Beer ads

[BCWWF]

Hey AlphaBean, where are you, you sellout?

[PureHatred]

Awesome. There'll be a Game 7. More days off for the Lakers. Must remember to reserve days off in June for parade.

[PureHatred]

Remember game 7 of the Western Finals two years ago, when Christie kept having open 3's to win the game but he would air ball worse than I would have?

There's not a single ounce of heart in that entire organization. Peja and CWebb are notorious for disappearing in tight games. Fu</>ck, Christie's wife has more guts then anyone in that starting lineup.

That's why T-Wolves are going to win Game 7.

[BCWWF]

Does anybody know the Timberwolves shooting percentage?

[BCWWF]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PureHatred again.

[BCWWF]

fu</>ck cunt bitch ass whore lesbian dyke bitch fu</>ck shit damn cunt whore

[AlphaBean]

Hey AlphaBean, where are you, you sellout?

I can't stand watching these games when the Wolves can't do anything because they're afraid of being called for a foul.

Peeler elbows KG so hard he falls to the ground, and KG elbows Peeler and the announcers said KG needs to be ejected. The Kings know they're being outplayed so they're fighting dirty.

I HATE having the refs decide the ****ing outcome. I want to see the Wolves get outplayed, like in game 4.

[The Outlaw]

TWolves shot 41%

[BCWWF]

Its surprising that it was that high

[The Outlaw]

I can't stand watching these games when the Wolves can't do anything because they're afraid of being called for a foul.

Peeler elbows KG so hard he falls to the ground, and KG elbows Peeler and the announcers said KG needs to be ejected. The Kings know they're being outplayed so they're fighting dirty.

I HATE having the refs decide the ****ing outcome. I want to see the Wolves get outplayed, like in game 4.

Like I said, I didn't see anything besides the majority of the fourth, but going from the box score the fouls were pretty even. Cassell with 6 and Garnett with 5 and Christie, Bibby, and Miller all with five.

Miller had a pretty solid performance from what I saw, but the T'Wolves will still win game 7. :(

[AlphaBean]

KG is fouled on almost every play.

The Kings admit they play roughneck, no-talent hack basketball. (like Karl Malone)

You really can't argue that, since Vlade admits that's how they play. :y:

[The Outlaw]

lol calm down chief ;)

[AlphaBean]

KG didn't do anything wrong there.

Peeler elbows him to the ground, the next posession he bumps him with the shoulder and Peeler throws two elbows to the face? WTF is that? Why did we only shoot one FT and they shot 2? Why didn't we just keep Peja's 1/2? Why can't Sam Cassell shoot the ball? God damnit.

In game 1, the Kings went to the line for every single foul. The commentators were questioning why the Wolves were in the penalty with their first foul.

Little shit like that happens all the time... it gets overlooked, and Flip learned tonight why you NEVER question that.

EVER.

Tech, or a fine. And the Refs will make your life hell the next game. Because who has the right to question why the refs call whatever they want?

[AlphaBean]

lol calm down chief ;)

Nah. You got the Lakers, you LOVE the refs. :D

[The Outlaw]

But you know, you're right.

Teams should play even less aggressive defense than they already do, and cut out any kind of aggressiveness out. I mean they can take 4 or 5 steps without being called for a walk, so they should just give everyone what they want and stop playing any kind of intense d. This would stop people from whining about being called for fouls or NOT being called for fouls because then it would just be a dunk/3 point contest.

That would be swell

[Bad Guy]

Put a fork in the Pistons.

[The Outlaw]

Put a fork in the Pistons.


:'(

[PureHatred]

It's the playoffs. They're always more physical. That's why half-court offense becomes more important and score are lower. I'm sure the T-Wolve understand that and they will either match the Kings aggresiveness (which, BTW, is embarassing if you're being outmuscled by the Queens) or they'll go home.

I love KG. I'm pretty certain they're winning Game 7.

[The Outlaw]

Yeah Im a fan of Spree/KG as well

Just fun getting Beaner and BCWWF riled up because it's so easy :D

[Bad Guy]

:'(
damn those nets. but it'll be fun to watch them lose in the championship for the 3rd straight year!! HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!! i'm actually gonna enjoy this.

[PureHatred]

Indy is gonna kill the Nets.

[BCWWF]

As I predicted before, I think the Nets will win the East.

[AlphaBean]

But you know, you're right.

Teams should play even less aggressive defense than they already do, and cut out any kind of aggressiveness out. I mean they can take 4 or 5 steps without being called for a walk, so they should just give everyone what they want and stop playing any kind of intense d. This would stop people from whining about being called for fouls or NOT being called for fouls because then it would just be a dunk/3 point contest.

That would be swell

I'm sorry, you don't have the right to mock. You have two of the biggest thugs in the NBA on your team. If it's about being tougher than the opposition, then change it to football, because basketball is an athletic/finesse game.

Garnett is hacked at the knees every time he goes up in the air. One of these times he's going to tear an ACL or fall down and break something. The ****ing MVP of the league doesn't get any calls and he's hit ON EVERY PLAY. That's not defense, you smug bastard. That's Bertuzzi basketball.

Remember: HIT AT THE KNEES.

He doesn't shoot at the knees. Does he? I don't think so. If you're fouled every time you take a shot, that should be like a dozen flagrants per game. He's hacked to make him NOT want to go up in the air. It freaks me out. I want him to dominate, but he can't. Because he gets afraid to go underneath because of this bullshit... so he takes fadeaways from 20 feet. :-\

[The Outlaw]

LOL

I find it quite amusing that you say the Lakers have two of the biggest thugs when Sam and Spree (Albeit one of my favorite players) are on your team. :lol:

The thing is, yeah the Lakers do get some calls. But it's not like they get every call possible. That's just silly to assume. The thing is, there is no way anyone can guard Shaq without somewhat fouling him. That's how dominating he is. But, being reasonable, the refs call the obvious fouls instead of the little contact that has to be made if they even want to contain him. Do you see where I'm coming from?

Granted, everyone isn't a 300+ pounder, but some fouls are going to be called and some are not. It's the way it's going to be and whenever you accept it, the game is much more fun and entertaining. :)

I have pretty much learned to take the NBA as it is and not wish it was something it's not, every foul isn't going to be called so I'm not going to blame every one of my team's losses on the refs. ANd I'm certainly not going to complain about them if my team wins ;)

Now, if the game is just too one sided to bear, I will simply turn it off and wait for the next game and comment on the calls, I just don't see the point of ranting up and down about the calls or non calls of a game.

Now if I was playing the game then yes I'm sure I would be more upset, but I'm not so I'm just going to watch the game and enjoy.

[BCWWF]

Is Anthony Peeler suspended yet?

[The Miz]

hey outlaw, just wondering, why do you start every post with LOL... when absolutely nothing funny has happened

but yeah that's pretty ridiculous that they would eject peeler and not garnett. peeler hit garnett, garnett hit peeler, so either they both stay or both go. i really don't like garnett for some reason... i dunno he just seems like an ass. i predict kings win wednesday, detroit wins tomorrow, and pacers win in 7. pacers over detroit in 6, kings over lakers and 7, and kings over pacers in 6. yeah not likely but i like wild predictions.

oh, and does michael olowakandi suck ass or what? damn, he's rarely on the court anymore but when he does he makes the dumbest plays ever.

[BCWWF]

1. Michael Olowokandi does indeed suck ass

2. Peeler elbowed Garnett to the ground, on the next play Garnett held his ground and put a shoulder into Peeler, something that wouldn't even be called, and Peeler jacks him in the face. Peeler indeed should be suspended.

[The Outlaw]

hey outlaw, just wondering, why do you start every post with LOL... when absolutely nothing funny has happened



LOL

I find it quite amusing that you say the Lakers have two of the biggest thugs when Sam and Spree (Albeit one of my favorite players) are on your team. :lol:


Well you see, I thought anyone could tell from what I said why I said "LOL" when I explained it in the next sentence? I guess I gave you too much credit, sorry.

Yeah, I coulda seen them both getting a technical and possibly Peeler being thrown out but Peeler a technical, thrown out, possibly suspended, and Garnett getting a regular foul? Come on now

[BCWWF]

I am pretty sure Garnett got a technical, and shouldering someone like that is not illegal. Elbowing somebody to the ground (thinking it was somebody else) and then elbowing them in the face after a harmless "Recognize" style bump, is illegal.

[The Outlaw]

I am pretty sure Garnett got a technical, and shouldering someone like that is not illegal. Elbowing somebody to the ground (thinking it was somebody else) and then elbowing them in the face after a harmless "Recognize" style bump, is illegal.

Nah, Garnett got a regular foul.

All fouls are illegal, else they would not be a foul.

I think game 7 will be a good game, have a feeling Minnesota will come out on top though.

Me being a Bibby mark, it's tough for me to say that. :(

-EDIT-

WTF

Peeler - technical, ejection, two game suspension

Garnett - regular foul, fined $7500

Am I missing something here? Garnett starts the altercation (albeit after Peeler gave him an incidental elbow?) and Peeler gets suspended two games. Wow. The proper thing (IMO of course ;)), technicals given to both guys and that be the end of it, maybe a fine but two game suspension to go along with an ejection?

How fair and equal they treated this matter :wtf:

[BCWWF]

Peeler hit him in the face, and that is an automatic suspension in the NBA rulebook.

Honestly, if Peeler didn't do anything back, do you think Kevin Garnett's shoulder would have even been called? I for one, do not.

[BCWWF]

Also, I know its unfair, but the NBA isn't likely to slap a suspension on the MVP after something as small as that.

[The Outlaw]

Peeler hit him in the face, and that is an automatic suspension in the NBA rulebook.

Honestly, if Peeler didn't do anything back, do you think Kevin Garnett's shoulder would have even been called? I for one, do not.

I can understand the ejection because if I am correct any elbow thrown above shoulder level is an immediate ejection, not suspension. A punch thrown is an immediate suspension of a minimum one game, but this was an elbow, which is an immediate ejection, not suspension.

[PureHatred]

Peeler took a swing at someone's face, basically. In all cases like that, the suspension is pretty much automatic. Christ, Kenny and Chuck were calling it on TNT five minutes after the game ended.

And it doesnt really mattter. The Kings have made a habit of choking when it counts the most. CWebb gets that deer in the headlights look, Peja starts throwing up bricks as soon as hsi defender gets the tiniest bit physicla, Vlade loses his composure, and the only guys that used to come up with real gritty plays in the past are either injured (Bobby Jackson) or no longer with the team (Scott Pollard). Mike Bibby will make enough big jumpers to keep things interesting, but the Kings dont have the nads to win a Game 7.

Plus, Kevin Garnett is in the midst of The Leap, and there's no stopping that.

And since I had to read The Miz's ridiculous predictions, here are mine:

T-Wolves win Game 7; the Maloofs don't have the guts to blow up this team of chronic underachievers & they struggle to win 45 next year.

Lakers beat T-Wolves in 6. KG learns what real playoff heartbreak is. If you know your NBA history, you know that once a great player learns this, they usually win a title in the next year or two. The T-Wolves are the team to beat next season.

Detroit loses to New Jersey. They have no go-to guy that can create for themselves. Pistons fan everywher try not to imagine what this year would've been like if Joe D drafts Melo instead of Darko (wehavetayshaunwehavetayshaunwehavetayshaun).

Indiana beats the Nets in 5. O'Neal goes nuts. Artest punks Jefferson the way Richard punked Frankie Muniz at the Celebrity All Star Game. JKidd secretly knows that signing with the Spurs would've been his last window for a Title.

Finals: Laker in 6. Two of the wins they get are scary close; only Kobe manages to pull them out of the fire. GP and Karl get their rings, neither retuns next season. Charles Barkley oficially becomes best player to never win a damn thing. And the future of the franchise rests with Jerry Buss' decision: Phil or Kobe?

Oh yeah, and the twelve citizens that take the box in Colorado come August.

[The Outlaw]

A punch thrown is an automatic suspension of a minimum one game.

This was not a punch.

In Peeler's defense, it looked like instinct to me, you get a hard shoulder you're going to react too.

Not making an excuse for him, but I mean I can see me doing the same thing out of reaction alone.

[AlphaBean]

LOL

I find it quite amusing that you say the Lakers have two of the biggest thugs when Sam and Spree (Albeit one of my favorite players) are on your team. :lol:

The thing is, yeah the Lakers do get some calls. But it's not like they get every call possible. That's just silly to assume. The thing is, there is no way anyone can guard Shaq without somewhat fouling him. That's how dominating he is. But, being reasonable, the refs call the obvious fouls instead of the little contact that has to be made if they even want to contain him. Do you see where I'm coming from?

Granted, everyone isn't a 300+ pounder, but some fouls are going to be called and some are not. It's the way it's going to be and whenever you accept it, the game is much more fun and entertaining. :)

I have pretty much learned to take the NBA as it is and not wish it was something it's not, every foul isn't going to be called so I'm not going to blame every one of my team's losses on the refs. ANd I'm certainly not going to complain about them if my team wins ;)

Now, if the game is just too one sided to bear, I will simply turn it off and wait for the next game and comment on the calls, I just don't see the point of ranting up and down about the calls or non calls of a game.

Now if I was playing the game then yes I'm sure I would be more upset, but I'm not so I'm just going to watch the game and enjoy.


Sam and Spree are old and smallish. I wish they were more physical, but Sam is hobbled and Spree, I dunno. Sam can be physical, but he gets called for it.

Remember five fouls in two minutes? http://forums.rajah.com/images/smilies/dunno.gif

Shaq does get fouled a lot, yes. However, he travels more than anyone, never is called for it. He uses his elbows like it was LEGAL (and the refs tend to think some elbows are legal under the NBA rule book, i.e. Brad Miller and Karl Malone), and yeah, that's part of being a superstar, so I'm not going to fault the Lakers for their style of play... I just think it doesn't make for good basketball. A few years ago, the Kings had more talent than the Lakers, but lost because the Lakers had the refs on their side. This year, the Kings are doing the same. I think that the league wants Lakers/Kings, and that's a travesty... because the Kings don't have the talent to hang with the Lakers. Do they have Brad Miller, who will probably force Shaq to beat his ****ing ass? Yes. And if the Kings make it, I hope to God Shaq puts Miller in his place... many times. Of course, Shaq won't get suspended in the West finals if he attacks Miller (YAY!), so dunno, doesn't matter. I'm rambling now... Lakers are good... but the NBA should let them win on their own, because it takes away from the skill when you want to create a dynasty (i.e. Jordan never EVER having to dribble).

"We're responding to what they do," Miller said. "They have a couple of guys who are grabbing and holding people."

:rofl: throwing people to the ground...

Anyway, your next point... Blah blah blah, basically. You're a Laker's fan. Your team gets all the calls, so you can talk shit to other teams. A team that has so much talent and one of the best coaches is getting the shit beaten out of them by a team of hacks (remember Vlade admitting it? ;)), I am a little upset. I want things called straight up.

But when you got a ref with a grudge, then you know the Wolves are ****ed.

Tell me who's reffing game 7, I'll tell you who's going to win.

n the first playoff series, Denver's plan, according to people involved with the club, was to undercut Garnett and handle the Wolves as physically as it could without getting called by officials.

Wally Szczerbiak was sidelined by one of Denver's undercuts and was out for six playoff games.

Well, the Kings have gone one step further with Miller, the biggest goon on the floor. He has been knocking people down, undercutting Garnett and others and getting away with it.


This came on the heels of a similar incident in Game 3 at ARCO, when fans threw giveaway maracas onto the court. Some broke, creating a slippery -- and dangerous -- floor surface.

:rofl: Isn't that when everyone kept slipping? :lol: So KG slips and gets a turnover at the end of the game because of that shit. :nono:

The Wolves are 7-1 in the playoffs when Danny Crawford isn't in the officiating crew and they are 0-3 when he's present.

Saunders was complaining to Crawford about a call with 5 1/2 minutes left in the first half Sunday. The coach was overheard saying the Wolves had lost only a handful of games since late March, and Crawford had been present for most of them.

The Wolves are 16-4 since March 27, and Crawford has worked three playoff losses -- Game 3 vs. Denver, and Games 1 and 6 vs. Sacramento.

The last time the Wolves had seen him in the regular season was on March 27 in Los Angeles. Crawford officiated a 98-82 victory over the Clippers that started a nine-game, season-ending winning streak.

The fouls were 23 for the Wolves and 22 for Sacramento on Sunday. In Crawford's three playoff games, the winless Wolves have shot 49 free throws to 75 for their opponents, and they have been called for 73 fouls, 12 more than their opponents.

There it is. You can tell something is horribly wrong in the games the Wolves have lost. Game 4, that wasn't anything, that was the Wolves not trying to win. Games 1 and 6 were tough, though. It was painful to watch KG getting turnovers because he was being hammered. He's not big enough to hold onto the ball when someone punches him in the wrist. And he can't power up a shot when someone has their arms wrapped around him. :-\

Maybe it's just KG isn't good enough? I mean, if Shaq can do it, why can't KG?

:nono:

See what I did there?

I pointed out how the NBA doesn't care about skill as much as it does brute force anymore. If you're not stronger than your opponent, you shouldn't be in the NBA. Or maybe they shouldn't let ANYONE play defence! :roll:

I'd like to see Madsen kick Miller in the nuts, how's that defense for ya? The way things are going, it might be the best bet, if he were to tear something.

[The Outlaw]

What the hell did you just say? Out of all that dribble all I got was that you hate the refs and the NBA is conspiring against the Minnesota Timberwolves because they don't like them and really want them to lose.

I also read something about me being a Lakers fan so that's the reason I don't bitch about the refs. Just because I'm not a little child about the refs?

Also the traveling thing, :lol: Everyone in the NBA travels, it's not called, PERIOD. That's why I like watching college basketball, more "genuine" you can say. :y:

Oh, and the only reason the Lakers won that series was because of Robert Horry's three pointer.

ITS A CONSPIRACY!

[PureHatred]

The Sacramento Kings had home court. Even with the questionable officiating in Game 5 (and the questionable officiating Kings' fans don't talk about in Game 6) they stil had home court in a deciding game and choked.

Choke, choke, chokety, choke. I really don't know how a T-Wolves fan can doubt that they'll win Game 7 when they're facing a Kings team that doens't have an ounce of guts on the whole roster.

[AlphaBean]

What the hell did you just say? Out of all that dribble all I got was that you hate the refs and the NBA is conspiring against the Minnesota Timberwolves because they don't like them and really want them to lose.

I also read something about me being a Lakers fan so that's the reason I don't bitch about the refs. Just because I'm not a little child about the refs?

Also the traveling thing, :lol: Everyone in the NBA travels, it's not called, PERIOD. That's why I like watching college basketball, more "genuine" you can say. :y:

Oh, and the only reason the Lakers won that series was because of Robert Horry's three pointer.

ITS A CONSPIRACY!

"I'm not a little child about the refs"

What would you do, giggle because the refs suck the Lakers' balls?

If anything, you're being a child by completely ignoring the gayness of the refs, because your team benefits, so you can put blinders on.

NO PERIPHERAL VISION.

LOOK AT ME *snaps*

http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news90/1crawford0517.l.jpg

He is a little ugly fag who needs to be fired. For some reason, he hates the Wolves. Dunno why. He just does. Wolves won't win game 7 if it's Crawford.

Anyway, "I'm just having fun riling these guys up :lol:" that's okay. You won't be so annoying when the Lakers are torn apart in the offseason. :D

[Bad Guy]

i hate that danny crawford. seems like every game i watch he's always involved in bad calls somehow.

[Bad Guy]

the Lakers are torn apart in the offseason. :D

yeah i think the lakers are done after this season.

Malone: Sounds like he is gonna retire, win, lose, draw, whatever.

Payton: Doesn't seem like he's happy, imo he's outta there.

Kobe: chances are he's not going to jail, but there's always the chance. plus, rumors are going around that he wants to go to Denver? i even heard golden state...

Phil Jackson: contract is over after this season and he wants certain monetary value, but the lakers are only willing to give him like 70% of what he wants. he's probably gone too.

so that leaves... shaq.


yep, it's all or nothing for the lakers this season. they will be bad for YEARS to come.

[Ninti the Mad]

Exactly. The Lakers are done after this season.

Haha good riddance.

[The Outlaw]

I'm wherever Shaq goes. He's been my favorite player since his LSU days where he dominated there as well so I'll be alright. :y:

"I'm not a little child about the refs"

What would you do, giggle because the refs suck the Lakers' balls?

If anything, you're being a child by completely ignoring the gayness of the refs, because your team benefits, so you can put blinders on.

NO PERIPHERAL VISION.

LOOK AT ME *snaps*

http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news90/1crawford0517.l.jpg

He is a little ugly fag who needs to be fired. For some reason, he hates the Wolves. Dunno why. He just does. Wolves won't win game 7 if it's Crawford.

Anyway, "I'm just having fun riling these guys up :lol:" that's okay. You won't be so annoying when the Lakers are torn apart in the offseason. :D

RIGHHHHTTT

I know one thing. If I had the MVP of the league on my team who gets hella calls, I would not be complaining and ranting about a conspiracy against my team. Well, I wouldn't even if the MVP wasn't on my team but with him on your team it makes you look even more silly.

Yeah, they might be torn apart after the season. But you know, I won't be ranting on and on about the refs, I'll guarantee you that. I won't be a little 10 year old because you know...life goes on if my team loses or not.

Obviously, for you, it does not. :)

[AlphaBean]

I'm wherever Shaq goes. He's been my favorite player since his LSU days where he dominated there as well so I'll be alright. :y:



RIGHHHHTTT

I know one thing. If I had the MVP of the league on my team who gets hella calls, I would not be complaining and ranting about a conspiracy against my team. Well, I wouldn't even if the MVP wasn't on my team but with him on your team it makes you look even more silly.

Yeah, they might be torn apart after the season. But you know, I won't be ranting on and on about the refs, I'll guarantee you that. I won't be a little 10 year old because you know...life goes on if my team loses or not.

Obviously, for you, it does not. :)

I know, right, I had to go to the ER after last game because I tried to kill myself. :?:

Arguing the shit on the 'net now makes me a baby? Neah, dude, don't be a fag. You're not even arguing points anymore; you're just hurling insults.

"Wolves have lost the 3 games Danny Crawford has reffed..."

"HAHAHA Cry about it you baby! HAHAHA"

"But..."

"WAH WAH WAH u baby hahaha cry about it u baby, dry ur baby eyes of ur baby tears coz ur crying like a little bayyybbbbeeeeeeeeee HEHEHEHE"

You're like the Sacramento Kings of this thread. :shifty:

PS: KG gets ****all for calls. He wasn't suspended because he had no reason to be. He threw a hard screen in retaliation, everyone says he started it, but he didn't chin check anybody. That was the right call. But getting fouled multiple times on every play and not getting calls is not concurrent with being MVP of the league. He should be getting EVERY call. But NBA officials aren't the ones who decide the MVP unfortunately :(

You are right though, I shouldn't complain, because KG doesn't complain. I just wish he a) wouldn't get mauled b) would get called for it or c) was physical enough to endure all the undercutting people do, because it is shady, and never gets called EVER. But anyway, he doesn't complain about that ish. He's ready to go to war! He's a FUC</>KING SOLDIER.

Hahaha I got some tek nines, a couple joints with silencers... :lol: :love:

[The Outlaw]

Yeah he sounded like Kellen Winslow right therre.

That was a screen? Could have fooled me. I didn't say he should have been suspended. What I THINK should have happened, and what it looks like SHOULD have happened according to the NBA rules, double technical and an ejection for Peeler.

[BCWWF]

If Peeler had head-butted, kicked, slapped, or did just about anything directly to the face of another player, he would be suspended. Its not like punching is the only illegal thing or the only one that would cause damage. So if KG and Brad Miller started fighting next game using open palmed hits to the face, double technical, no suspensions? I think not. You're just trying to pick apart little discrepincies that don't have any relevance right there.

I don't think that its just coincidence that the Timberwolves have lost four games in the past month, and three of those losses have all been reffed by Danny Crawford or whoever he is. The NBA doesn't want to see the Timberwolves succeed after that whole Joe Smith scandal. I'm not going to say thats the only reason we haven't swept both round one and round two, but obviously it is more than just a coincidence. And when Flip Saunders told Crawford that statistic in the last game, he got a technical. Typical.

The Lakers would kill the Kings, no doubt about it. Chris Weber can't play defense, and he would have to be on Malone. Brad Miller would get his shit rocked by Shaq, who is much bigger, stronger, and better than him. Peja or Christie guarding Kobe? Laughable. Once again, Bibby would be the only player Sacramento could count on, besides Doug Christie throwing up air balls to tie game 7. The way the Lakers are playing they would have a huge advantage over the Timberwolves, but it would be a much closer matchup. Shaq would have the potential to go wild, but Kobe would top off real fast with Trenton Hassell on him, Spre on Payton, Garnett on Malone. The Timberwolves are deeper than the Lakers but not as dominant. The key to the whole thing would be defense, which Sacramento just does not have.

I think the Nets will probably come out of the East again, which is kind of a shame. IMO it would even be a shame if it was the Pacers, because neither of those teams has the personnel to deal with the Lakers. The Pacers and Timberwolves would be a great matchup on paper, but Garnett would blow away O'Niel, and so on. The Nets, they have the experience and ability to be dominant in the East, but what do they think they're gonna do, have Kenyon Martin trying to stop Shaq or Malone? Kerry Kittles guarding Kobe Bryant? Until the Nets get an established power forward or center they will never win a championship. In my opinion, the only team out there with any chance of beating a Western team in the finals would be Detroit. They have the defense to shut down even the Lakers for at least one game, and the big men in the Wallace's to play with the West, Rip Hamilton has been hot too, but their offense just doesn't seem to cut it. I will have to predict Lakers win the finals in 5 anti climactic games.

[BCWWF]

KG didn't get calls last game because he played Chris Weber, pull up for jumpers. If he drives the lane like he did in that comeback vs. Denver he will get all the calls he wants, and MORE!

[The Miz]

uhhh since when is one of the best defensive guards in the league covering kobe "laughable"

[BCWWF]

Since when is Peja/Christie one of the best defensive guards in the leauge?

[The Outlaw]

Since when is Peja/Christie one of the best defensive guards in the leauge?

Uhh, are you retarded?

[The Outlaw]

If Peeler had head-butted, kicked, slapped, or did just about anything directly to the face of another player, he would be suspended. Its not like punching is the only illegal thing or the only one that would cause damage. So if KG and Brad Miller started fighting next game using open palmed hits to the face, double technical, no suspensions? I think not. You're just trying to pick apart little discrepincies that don't have any relevance right there.



Did you read what I said?

It's in the rules if you want to look it up, then you can come back and tell me what I am trying to do.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Uhh, are you retarded?

That would explain a lot of this thread

[BCWWF]

OK Outlaw, you're going to have to explain this to me because what I got from your posts is that Peeler shouldn't be suspended because he didn't punch KG. If thats what you're saying, then my post made perfect sense, if thats not what you were saying, then what were you?

And yes, Doug Christie may be one of the better defensive guards in the game, but he isn't a shut down defender. You see how Peja has been shooting this series, its because Hassell is a shut down defender. Who is Christie guarding in this series? I would assume either Spre or Sam, and the only thing shutting them down is Sam's back injury.

There are a lot of guys I would rather have guarding Kobe than Doug Christie.

[BCWWF]

Alright, we didn't capitolize on poor shooting in the first half, and now the Kings have caught up midway through the third. All I can hope for now is some good old fashioned fourth quarter choking by them Kings.

[BCWWF]

And the better team wins!

I will give one to Doug Christie though, I was expecting him to flop real bad after two years ago, but that late three was sooo clutch. Wow. Now Peja is the choke, wow 2-20 was it?

I want to get into one of these next games REAL BAD

[FacelessBum]

lakers will win.

[AlphaBean]

The Wolves showed their nerves tonight. I don't think either team particularly deserved this win... Wolves got lucky with the C-Webb miss. Miller ****ed up for them by trying to be the hero. Christie airballed a clutch 3-pointer after hitting a clutch 3-pointer. Wolves proved they have inside heart but no inside skill. Maddog is a headcase, Ervin is a consistent erm, body. Trent sometimes is an offensive presence, and Olowokandi makes me sad to not be 7'1", because to make 5 mil a year to sit on the bench is ****ing PRIMO WORK.

I think the Wolves should be given the chance to drop Hudson and Kandi from their postseason roster and add Barkley and Rodman. :p

Sure, both are too old to play basketball anymore, but at least they'll be bodies to put on Shaq. :nono:

The guys at the studio said it best. Wolves got nobody to pose a threat to Shaq. :( I'm not too optimistic about the Western Conference finals.

Especially without Sam.

And I'm saying nothing about the reffing because I felt that the Wolves got some lucky calls, but then after watching so many Danny Crawford games, I don't know what's fair anymore. It seemed like a balanced game from the foul perspective -- nobody in foul trouble.

Anyway, Peja, Christie and C-Webb all choked at the end, and everyone but KG did for the Wolves (well, Sam woulda scored 40 in the 4th quarter if he was healthy).

MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION: Do I bother watch the Wolves get swept by the Lakers? :'(

[AlphaBean]

lakers will win.

You could SO get a job with ESPN, dude.

[AlphaBean]

PS: Bibby and Brad Miller on KG as the shot clock expires, almost half-court, chucks up the trey... IT'S GOOD!

MVP! :heart:

I think he should just play his balls off vs the Lakers and hope that's good enough. STOP PASSING IT TO YOUR CENTER. We don't have Rasho anymore. We don't have someone who can take the dish-off under the basket and put it in for an easy two. KG has to take it all the way.

[FacelessBum]

I want the Nets to win. :mad:

[FacelessBum]

You could SO get a job with ESPN, dude.


Weekdays 9-10AM Eastern Time

:shifty:

[AlphaBean]

Will you be able to say enough in that time?

"Lakers will win."

"Nets should win, dunno if they will though."

"In baseball, Bonds rulz."

"Randy Johnson is a good pitcher, but so is, Roger Clemens."

"I think that, Calgary will win the Stanley Cup."

"I like, Jennifer Capriati to win in tennis."

"And finally, how about that Smarty Jones? He sure can gallop."

"Vote Kerry in '04."

[AlphaBean]

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[BCWWF]

I am more optimistic than you guys here, but not quite as optimistic as the at least 10 guys I heard call into WCCO Radio last night saying the Wolves would sweep the Lakers.

I think the Lakers will either win in six or the Wolves will win in seven.

This whole series will be based around Trenton Hassell though, if he can do what he did in the regular season and what he did to Peja and Carmelo in the playoffs, I can see good things happening. As of right now everyone is just like "The Lakers will sweep," and that is the main thing going against the Wolves right now. If all our fans don't believe we have a chance, if our players don't believe we have a chance, then we won't have a chance. I still stand strong though, Malone and Peyton aren't worth mentioning, the Lakers are still a Kobe and Shaq team, and the Timberwolves are a KG, Spre, and Cassell team. It will all come down to which unit is better.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Don`t like the wolves chances one bit. KG is going to have to put up insane minutes, and some serious time at the point. Game 7 he looked dead down the stretch.

I`d give the wolves a couple of games if Cassell were healthy or if Hudson was playing and the series if they were both in there.

Lakers in 5 or 6 depending on Spree and Cassell

[BCWWF]

Having Fisher come off the bench is going to be what kills us, methinks. If we had T-Hud this would be a totally different series, but I'll look into it optimistically, and I still think we have a better chance than the Kings.

[AlphaBean]

I'll watch all the games and pull for our guys to the final buzzer, but it's an uphill battle, and the only thing that can beat the Lakers is the Lakers.

I pray to God that their bullshit cocky "I don't care who we face" attitude comes back to **** them in the ass. I want to see Flip earn his money and write up a gameplan that will shut down the Lakers. I want to see the Wolves force two wins at home, and then SWITCH THINGS UP on the road, causing the Lakers to be like :wtf: and have to try regrouping, but by then it will be too late.

I want to see the Wolves big men do something. Olowokandi MUST show up for the Lakers series. :(

[BCWWF]

I imagine Olowokandi will come back before the playoffs are over

[Kid Robb]

Stopping Shaq is the problem, given Olowokandi is average at best, and Johnson is servicable but not a superstar. Use up a shitload of fouls and play zone, provided Hassell Cassell Spreewell and co can cover the outside shooters.

I think (/hope/pray) the Wolves can win, but it would take a massive effort. The first two games will be huge, hold both of them, then take one game on the road and clinch at home.

[Ninti the Mad]

And the Nets are out...

Hahaha I am bad luck.

I hope Minnesota wins.