The *BDCA* Look at why Jericho's return sucks from a story line point of view.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yes, I've been a big critic of this whole Save_Us crap. And here I am critising it some more. From a story line point of view, it makes no sense. Last we saw Jericho, 2 years ago, he got fired for not winning the title from Cena. Now he is back demanding a title shot against Orton. How does he have any claim to be #1 condender? I'm not sure if Orton and Jericho even have a match history together. And since Jericho has been back, he has only won a single match against Santino who is regularly getting beaten up by non-active has-beens. That proves Jericho is on par with has-beens not #1 contender.

Now, if Jericho started getting some high profile wins, and kepts a slow burning fued with Orton ducking and no-acknowledging him that would be cool.

BTW, I think Jeff Hardy should be the #1 contender right now. He has been on a role, he was the one the won the traditional Suvivor Series match. He is the IC champion and has been for a while now. Plus he is more over than Jericho is. Hardy should have a quick series with Orton while Jericho is racking up wins and have show down at like Mainia or something to that effect. Not just coming down on day 1 after not doing anything for 2 years and before that losing a bunch.

Discuss

[Kane Knight]

The bar's been significantly lowered?

I dunno, figuring the fact that Raw's jobbing these days, a guy who was jobbed out in a title match probably should be able to walk in off the street, fanfare or no, and demand a title match.

[Kane Knight]

Hell, I'm expecting the Brooklyn Brawler to challenge.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah, it is pretty bad when Smackdown's or TNA's storyline make more sense than Raw.

[Nark Order]

And since Jericho has been back, he has only won a single match against Santino who is regularly getting beaten up by non-active has-beens. That proves Jericho is on par with has-beens not #1 contender.

He's been back for a total of two weeks. What do you relly expect?

Sorry, I mean.... everything sucks.

[BigDaddyCool]

He's been back for a total of two weeks. What do you relly expect?

Sorry, I mean.... everything sucks.

Not everything sucks. Just everything could be a lot better.

[Londoner]

Whatever bdc, as i said in the raw thread, shut the fuck up.

[redoneja]

It's weird the way they are going about it, especially going into the Rumble. One might assume that they would hold Jericho off from the title match until Mania, with Regal/Coach/McMahon saying he has to earn his title shot since he's been inactive for 2 years. Thus, he'd win a string of matches, win the Rumble and 'earn' his title shot. It seems to be a waste to just give him the match right off the bat at Armageddon.


This is not exactly on topic but it also puts an interesting spin on the Rumble. Right now, my top 3 to win the Rumble would be Jericho, Jeff Hardy, or Flair, but with Jericho getting his shot this soon, I'm not sure where things will go.

[BigDaddyCool]

It's weird the way they are going about it, especially going into the Rumble. One might assume that they would hold Jericho off from the title match until Mania, with Regal/Coach/McMahon saying he has to earn his title shot since he's been inactive for 2 years. Thus, he'd win a string of matches, win the Rumble and 'earn' his title shot. It seems to be a waste to just give him the match right off the bat at Armageddon.


This is not exactly on topic but it also puts an interesting spin on the Rumble. Right now, my top 3 to win the Rumble would be Jericho, Jeff Hardy, or Flair, but with Jericho getting his shot this soon, I'm not sure where things will go.

Now that you mention. Jericho should have returned during the Rumble towards the end, which would have shot him into Mainia.

[BigDaddyCool]

Whatever bdc, as i said in the raw thread, shut the fuck up.

Sorry, you are right. Yay! Jericho! Yay! WWE! They is the best! Wooo-eeeee!

[Kane Knight]

He's been back for a total of two weeks. What do you relly expect?

Sorry, I mean.... everything sucks.

:rofl:

[Fox]

Yes, I've been a big critic of this whole Save_Us crap. And here I am critising it some more. From a story line point of view, it makes no sense. Last we saw Jericho, 2 years ago, he got fired for not winning the title from Cena. Now he is back demanding a title shot against Orton. How does he have any claim to be #1 condender? I'm not sure if Orton and Jericho even have a match history together. And since Jericho has been back, he has only won a single match against Santino who is regularly getting beaten up by non-active has-beens. That proves Jericho is on par with has-beens not #1 contender.

Now, if Jericho started getting some high profile wins, and kepts a slow burning fued with Orton ducking and no-acknowledging him that would be cool.

BTW, I think Jeff Hardy should be the #1 contender right now. He has been on a role, he was the one the won the traditional Suvivor Series match. He is the IC champion and has been for a while now. Plus he is more over than Jericho is. Hardy should have a quick series with Orton while Jericho is racking up wins and have show down at like Mainia or something to that effect. Not just coming down on day 1 after not doing anything for 2 years and before that losing a bunch.

Discuss

Santino has faced the likes of Chris Masters, Umaga, Ron Simmons, The Sandman, and Stone Cold. Now, with the exception of Stone Cold, none of those men have done anything near what Chris Jericho has done in his career.

He's a former WWE/F and WCW World Champion, as well as the first ever Undisputed Champion (despite how shitty the reign was). He's been popular in the world of Pro Wrestling for 10 years now, and his name is one that people respect and recognize.

He left wrestling because he was burned out. He's recharged himself and is now making his return. With the state of wrestling today, all of the injuries, the Benoit-murder drama, the shittyness of John Cena's title run, the poor writing spanning all 3 shows, it makes sense for an energetic showman like Chris Jericho to want to "save us" by taking the spotlight. And there is no other spotlight than the WWE Championship on Monday Night RAW.



Now, I realize that the return wasn't on par with, say, the heel turn of Hulk Hogan and the formation of the nWo, but FFS, he's been back for a full 2 hours and 15 minutes now. There's still time for greatness.

[thedamndest]

Another reason why Save.us doesn't make sense: the save.us.222 campaign started way before Orton was champ, so unless Jericho looked into the future and knew Cena would be injured and have to vacate to Orton who would lose it to Trips only to win it back from Trips the same night and still retain against HBK, how could he possibly have known whom he would be saving us from????

[BigDaddyCool]

Another reason why Save.us doesn't make sense: the save.us.222 campaign started way before Orton was champ, so unless Jericho looked into the future and knew Cena would be injured and have to vacate to Orton who would lose it to Trips only to win it back from Trips the same night and still retain against HBK, how could he possibly have known whom he would be saving us from????

Yeah that is another thing. Jericho should be returning as a heel. Thinking he is saving us from the current shitty state of wrestling in general or soemthing.

Also, from a personal point of view, I don't understand this how this whole codebreaker crap is any different from his rockstar gimmick.

[Stickman]

He beat Santigo in his first match back, calm down man, it's only week 2.

[Kane Knight]

Another reason why Save.us doesn't make sense: the save.us.222 campaign started way before Orton was champ, so unless Jericho looked into the future and knew Cena would be injured and have to vacate to Orton who would lose it to Trips only to win it back from Trips the same night and still retain against HBK, how could he possibly have known whom he would be saving us from????

Unless, of course, Orton is merely indicative of the matters at hand.

Alternatively, fuck you for expecting writers to think more than two weeks in either direction.

[BigDaddyCool]

He beat Santigo in his first match back, calm down man, it's only week 2.

I am calm, you calm down. :rant:

[thedamndest]

About that spot with Santino last night: what was Jericho doing when Santino was beating up the King? Shouldn't the "savior" have helped him out a bit? I did like the match and thought Jericho looked great, and the spot afterwards with the King and Jericho calling it was great, but was Jericho just watching the beat down or what?

[DrA]

I think it makes perfect sense. He was gone for two years, became a "celebrity" by showing up on random VH1 specials, saw what it was like to have a career outside of wrestling. Now that he is back, he feels like it is his right to be WWE champion, especially now that he is the closest thing to The Rock that they have now. The whole "save us" thing wasn't pointed at Randy Orton originally, but since he is the champion and Chris Jericho wants the belt, he is directing all of that promotional frustration at Orton in attempt to get him in a match.

[Kane Knight]

So...How nitpicky are we going to get?

[thedamndest]

The 'h' in that how shouldn't have been capitalized after the ellipses, that's how!

Also, I should have put quotes around that 'how,' that's how!

[thedamndest]

My question about what Jericho was doing was mainly just because they didn't pan to his reaction shot or anything while Santino was beating the King and I was j/w what was goin' on.

[Skull316]

As big of a Jericho mark as I am (easily one of my favorites of all time), I'm going to agree that a title match at Armageddon is blowing the load way too early on that title match. Have Jericho be a thorn in Orton's side, with Orton still refusing a title shot, for at least another month or two, have him win the rumble, and then another 2 month lead to WM. (And no cop-out "non title" 1 on 1 matches before then).

In a perfect world, though, HBK would be taking the title from Orton at Armageddon, and then said storyline proceeds as shown above :(

[Splaya]

BTW I posted this in the RAW thread.

That crowd there last night was for Flair and Flair only. When Jericho came out, he had no reaction whatsoever. When Orton came out, he had no reaction whatsoever. It was terrible

[KingofOldSchool]

Jericho isn't main eventing Mania, that's why they are getting his title shot out of the way before then.

[Kane Knight]

My question about what Jericho was doing was mainly just because they didn't pan to his reaction shot or anything while Santino was beating the King and I was j/w what was goin' on.

It just seems nitpicky.

[Splaya]

In all reality, they did the Flair segment to early. Hell Mickie James didnt even get a reaction when she came out. She gets reactions EVERY place they go

[Nark Order]

It has been tons better than anything Cena has ever done.

[BigDaddyCool]

Narcissus is always so neagtive about Cena.

[Nark Order]

Cena live in MY free world! :mad:

[Londoner]

BDC is always so negative about Jericho.

[BigDaddyCool]

Cena lives in MY free world! :mad:

[Nark Order]

Was trying to make the caveman effect... :(

[BigDaddyCool]

BDC is always so negative about <s>Jericho</s>Canadians.

[BigDaddyCool]

Was trying to make the caveman effect... :(

I hate you. BTW, I do love everything in the slave world.

[Nark Order]

BDC is always so negative.

[DarKCentaur]

Have they actually ANNOUNCED a title match yet?

[DarKCentaur]

Oh my bad. They did announce that match. Yeah, that's way too early. But whatever, it'll probably be some 10-minute jerk-off match that ends in a DQ, and then Orton ducks Jericho till Mania.

[thedamndest]

Armageddon: The Load is Blown

[Kane Knight]

It has been tons better than anything Cena has ever done.

Cena's been pretty awesome in the past. I don't care for anything past him holding a world belt, mind, but he's had some solid matches in the past, has proven that he can be over with the fans, and been great on the mic, even if the gay jokes and star wars refs were kinda tiresome (You're not Kevin Smith, Cena).

[Fox]

How is this match blowing the load on Jericho vs. Orton?

Let's face it; this isn't Hogan vs. Rock or even Batista vs. Cena. This is just a match. Is it a match between two of the top main names in wrestling today? Absolutely. But it's still just another main event caliber match in a whole series of main event caliber matches that could possibly take place in the next few months (Jericho vs. Michaels, Jericho vs. Edge, Jericho vs. Kennedy, Jericho vs. Triple H, Jericho vs. Umaga).

If it weren't this, it'd be Jericho vs. some upper mid-carder, and everyone would be saying that it's a waste of Jericho's return feud to wrestling. And weren't people complaining that Jericho didn't return at Taboo Tuesday or No Mercy to take the WWE Championship? The current scenario gives us a World Title contest with the WWE Champion defending against the returning Jericho, and in that light, it only makes Jericho look like more of a realistic main event star - something the WWE is desperately lacking.

There really wasn't a better way to go than Jericho vs. Orton. It was the best way to bring Jericho back into the fold without tarnishing his name or making him look bush-league.

And honestly, who the fuck wants to see Chris Jericho vs. Randy Orton as the main event of WrestleMania anyways? It's sub-par in comparison with what we COULD see (HBK vs. Jericho, as one example), and Orton would just rest-hold the whole match.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Save Us makes just as much sense as Y2J did....


None.

Not a shot at Jericho, but it's true. Unless Jericho starts berating the product for how shitty it's become, and swears he'll save us by making it better, I don't see it happening.

Personally, I'd love to see Jericho beat Orton, and hold the title until Cena comes back. I'd then have Jericho sorta snap on Cena, going on rants about how he's been trying to save the fans from the mediocrity of the WWE, and CENA is the root of the problem. Have him just berate Cena left and right. Have Cena be the "posterboy" and have Jericho be the somewhat disillusioned "savior", and let the fans decide who to cheer for, and run with it.

They won't do it, but it could be good. Knowing WWE though, they'll ignore who the fans cheer and boo, and just go with whatever plan they want.

[Jeritron]

Best bet is Jericho gets screwed, and has to work his way back to the title with the royal rumble or a number one contender fued.

At some point, I'd love to see Jericho fueding with McMahon over his return. I mean, from a kayfabe standpoint, he got fired and just came back like he owned the place. And McMahons character is a control freak, and Jerichos comeback was unexpected and unnaproved. Jerichos a face, McMahons a heel. They both have huge egos
It'd work excellently

If I had the book, this is the storyline I'd actually be working right now, with Jericho having to earn his place on Raw and earn a shot at the WWE title by McMahons evil standards since he was fired for failing to win it last time.

They could have had Orton fued with someone else for the time being. The Armageddon and Rumble ppv title matches are usually a throw away before the mania build anyways.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think this is being handled perfectly, but it makes sense. Chris Jericho didn't return and then get handed a shot, in kayfabe terms. He demanded a shot, but then again, shouldn't he? If I returned wanting the WWE Championship, and I knew I was good enough to win it, I'd probably demand a shot, too.

What they're doing, is having Jericho goad Orton into the match. He's made fun of him, call him out several times on it, and now he's getting involved in his matches. Randy Orton has realised that Chris Jericho is a thorn that needs to be dealt with, and he's granted Jericho the match. In some ways, it really makes sense for Orton to want to face Jericho sooner rather than later, as Jericho hasn't been in a big match for two years.

I don't know where the WWE is going from here. Chris Jericho should be kept strong, but I don't know if now is the time to put the WWE Championship on him. Personally, I'd go with Jericho winning the match, only for Vince McMahon to make the match null and void on RAW, because he's the boss, loves Randy Orton, and doesn't think Jericho earned his place on the roster. Of course, Jericho gets pissed, and enters the Royal Rumble. He really should win that match, or the alleged Elimination Chamber at No Way Out (which I don't think is the best idea to be holding...wait a while before you bring that match back).

Chris Jericho really should win the 2008 Royal Rumble Match.

[SammyG]

Whatever bdc, as i said in the raw thread, shut the fuck up.


:lol:

[Theo Dious]

How is this match blowing the load on Jericho vs. Orton?

Um, let's see, they spent weeks on a buildup that made the internet fans go crazier than they did when Michaels teased Bret Hart's return, something that simultaneously gave the IWC a huge ego rub and heralded the return of someone that people actually WANT to see... and they're going to have a match at the first possible juncture, without any kind of exciting chase, which Jericho is most likely going to lose.

Sorry, I like seeing Jericho back and all, but they're fucking this up. And by fucking it up, I mean, they're doing what they always do.

[Tommy Gunn]

It may be blowing the load a bit early, but I doubt anyone's expecting a title change. I predict Jericho wins via DQ, there's no other logical outcome really.

Still, Jericho in a WWE Title match on PPV = Enough for me to stay up till 4am watching Armaggedon.

[BigDaddyCool]

The entire thing seems forced now. If Cena was still around, they whole savior thing would make more sence, and I'm guessing they were originally gearing it towards that. Then Cena got injured once the gears really started going. So it seems like they just slapped some bullshit together about Jericho saving us from Orton or something.

[BigDaddyCool]

Also, how does Jericho just get a title match? All you have to do now is make fun of Santino and win a match against, them show every cookie monster and bam you are #1 contender?

Also, as much as it pains me to say this, it has to be said. Jeff Hardy should be the #1 contender right now.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Yeah, had it been Cena Jericho would have actually had something to save us from. Cena was unbeatable, Jericho could have finally been the one to finally end that.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, had it been Cena Jericho would have actually had something to save us from. Cena was unbeatable, Jericho could have finally been the one to finally end that.

....I think we'd see Hitler apologize to the JEws first.

[Stickman]

Randy Couture got a title shot after retiring :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

Randy Couture got a title shot after retiring :shifty:Psssssh. MMA is soooo fake.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, how does Jericho just get a title match? All you have to do now is make fun of Santino and win a match against, them show every cookie monster and bam you are #1 contender?

Also, as much as it pains me to say this, it has to be said. Jeff Hardy should be the #1 contender right now.

Well, as I said, it isn't the company granting Jericho a WWE Title Match, but rather Randy Orton has accepted Jericho's challenge. It really makes sense to me. You'd have a point if Jericho came back, and then William Regal said "The main event of Armageddon is going to be Jericho vs. Orton." That's not really what happened, though.

The biggest problem with Armageddon, is how they are going to go about booking the finish to the match. They can't really put the WWE Title on Jericho this early (not because it's early, capitalise while it's hot; but as a top babyface, Jericho should be on the chase heading into WrestleMania), but they can't have Orton go over and cut off Jericho's credibility, either. A disqualification ending is a possibility, but how many of them have we seen recently?

I'd personally rehash the classic Jericho angle. It's been seven years, which is the length of time Jim Cornette gave as appropriate to start reusing ideas. The classic Jericho angle I am referring to, is the title win, followed by the reversed decision.

Next week, have Chris Jericho host the returning Highlight Reel, with Ric Flair as the guest. Jericho reminds Ric (in case he had forgotten) that last week, Flair pinned the WWE Champion, which puts him in line for #17. Jericho says that seeing as he will be winning the WWE Championship at Armageddon, Jericho would be honoured to give Flair a title shot...and unfortuantely also be the guy to get the honour of retiring Flair (with just a little bit of hunger in his voice). Flair declines Jericho's challenge, and when Jericho asks why, Flair says that he's the dirtiest player in the game, and he didn't get to be known as such by being stupid! WOOOO! He doesn't want to get in the ring with Jericho right now, because it's too much of a gamble, because Jericho is as good as anyone he has ever seen.

Vince McMahon then comes out, and says that Ric Flair will be retired, because quite frankly, he doesn't like Flair. He didn't like it that he had to once call him an equal when Flair owned half of World Wrestling Entertainment. He doesn't like that he wants to be a constant in this business. The only constant in this business is Vincent Kennedy McMahon. Hulk Hogan...gone, Stone Cold Steve Austin...gone, The Rock...gone. Vince McMahon...still here. Soon: Ric Flair...gone. Jericho then stands up for Flair, calls Mr. McMahon "Vince McMahon, Jr....senior" and tells Vince that he doesn't think it is approate that he crashes the return of the Highlight Reel. This was meant to be between himself and Flair.

Vince then tells Chris Jericho that he is beginning to regret allowing Jericho to come back. Jericho can then tell Vince that he's beaten Shane McMahon around when Shane owned WCW. He has a problem with his sleazy, trashbag, bottom-feeding ho of a daughter...and slept with her a few times! But in all his years of being in a company where the Chairman throws his weight around more than he should, he never had a particular problem with Vince, and then he gets right in Vince's face, and tells him "You do not want to make an enemy out of me." Vince then backs up, and begins to ridicule Jericho. "Oh, right, because you don't need this job! You've got...your movie career! You've got that singing show were you were the first voted out! You've got Fozzy!" Jericho then tells Vince to get out of the ring, or he'll put him in a wheelchair. Vince says that Jericho wouldn't dare. Y2J then gives Vince a double-leg takedown, and turns him over into the Walls of Jericho, but then Randy Orton runs out, for the save, and Jericho breaks the hold, as Ric Flair nails Randy with lefts and rights, and then they toss the WWE Champion. Vince McMahon is retreating up the ramp as Jonathan Coachman is out to help his boss stand, and Vince announces Flair and Jericho facing Orton and...Coach (it seems like something the WWE would do)!

At Armageddon, Chris Jericho and Randy Orton have a good match, which ends when Jericho flies from the second rope with a flying variant of The Codebreaker. Jericho then gets the cover for three, and his second WWE Championship! Pyros go off, and streamers fall, as Jericho celebrates to close the show. On RAW, Jericho comes out and lets us know how good it is to once again be the WWE Champion. Vince McMahon then comes out, and runs through a list of technically illegal maneuvers Jericho used during his match at Armageddon, and says that it is unbecoming of a WWE Champion, and reverses the decision at Armageddon, and announces that Randy Orton is still WWE Champion. Vince says that Jericho will never...eeeeeeeeeeeeever, get another title shot as long as he has anything to say about it.

The next week, Jericho comes out for the Highlight Reel, and runs through the McMahons, and how he hates them all. Wrong. There is one McMahon he does not hate. He introduces us to the CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment, Linda McMahon. Linda comes to the ring, and in her two-tone voice, announces that the Board of Directors does not agree with Vince reversing the decision, but they cannot completely override him (or some shit like that), but they can give Jericho a place in the Royal Rumble Match. Jericho wins that, and goes on to WrestleMania.

[IC Champion]

Nice to see Alienoid still likes to write short stories.:y:

[BigDaddyCool]

Noid, seriously. Seriously now Noid, seriously. No one reads those novels you write. So any valid points you may make are completely lost. Plus you never make valid points.

[Kane Knight]

Nice to see Alienoid still likes to write really, really long stories.:y:

I nearly replaced "nice" with "a shame," But....