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Iceman90
03-15-2004, 06:31 PM
Did anyone else feel that The Undertaker looked plain stupid? That hat and coat don't work with the grappling gloves and singlet top with leather pants.
It seems he wants to keep 'the best of both' his gimmicks, but I think he failed. We wanted to see The Phenom return, not "The American Bad Ass Who Also Happens To Be A Deadman"
Input?
Mister Sinister
03-15-2004, 06:34 PM
and you can't forget that Belt Buckle, When I saw Taker come out and they showed his face with the Cowboy hat on, I was like...That's not the Undertaker, That's Tim McGraw......
But he was seemingly over during the crowd with the match, but I think it's going to end up a Failure
Ricky
03-15-2004, 06:37 PM
It was good.
The Mackem
03-15-2004, 06:40 PM
In their begining there was the undertaker and Ricky said it was good.
HHHsucks929
03-15-2004, 07:33 PM
I was thoroughly disappointed, and I don't think I'm alone here. I was expecting either the dead man (purple gloves, stockings) or the phenom (Taker circa 1998). I was banking on the Undertaker being the one thing that wouldn't disappoint me, and he did. It's too bad the NY crowd reacted so strongly, they probably thought this was the right thing to do. The American Badass has gotten old and needs to goa way COMPLETELY. No hybrids. Even a brand new dead man would work, just no American Badass please!
Volchok
03-15-2004, 08:34 PM
Yeah i've always been a fan of Taker but ever since the " American Badass " gimmick just never workd for me.. it just didnt seem like the same Undertaker and last night when he was sopposed to come back as the " Deadman " i was marking out like crazy for the druids and Paul.. and then Taker comes out and i was like.... What The ****!
I was pretty dissapointed.
Taker's return as the "deadman" is hyped to high heaven for two months. At Wrestlemania, Paul Bearer returns, Taker has a sweet re-make of his old deadman theme song, druids line with burning sticks, and suddenly Taker walks out looking like a cowboy.
Unfortunately you can't help it if Taker really doesn't want to go back to the "deadman" persona.
CBright7831
03-15-2004, 09:52 PM
Let's not forget that the Deadman Undertaker ambled around the ring with all the speed of a block of granite in between throwing the odd punch here and punch there and he sold even less than the Biker Undertaker. The look was a letdown, but I'd rather have him move around the ring and be at least marginally entertaining than go on a nostalgia kick.
Jason_Hawk
03-16-2004, 12:21 AM
They totally ruined his return, there was so much hype for a month of the deadmans return, and it was going good with the druids and paul bearer, but then we wait and look its Cowboy Taker!!!! :nono: I have been a taker fan since he debuted with the million dollar man, but what the hell is this. lets break down his new attire, New Stuff-Cowboy Hat, Trench Coat, and longer hair. American Bad Ass Stuff-Everything else, leather pants, tanktop, and same style of wrestling. Oh except for the sit up and tombstone oh yay. The writers were doing a great job of selling his return, but then it gets totally f*cked up.
Sensei Of Mattitude
03-16-2004, 01:09 AM
Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa......
Doesn't anybody remember from "Undertaker: This Is My Yard" the part where Undertaker explains how he kept envolving his character to look different after a given amount of time. Undertaker never went back to looking how he originally did. Not even at WrestleMania 13, when he wore the gray gloves and boot stir-ups (or whatever) because he had longer black hair than when he started out.
Since the WWE had taken the Undertaker away from the zombie "how can you beat a man that is already dead" character and made him the "American Bad Ass" normal human being... its really unnatural for him to go back completely into a zombie. The argument could be made that he was "buried" and "killed" by Kane and he returned as the deadman.
I thought the WWE did the right thing by debuting this new hybrid-Undertaker. I thought he looked so f*cking cool when he came out. The giant western fedora looked really awesome and menacing, the trenchcoat was awesome too. I would have had the old Undertaker gloves and his boots and maybe an Undertaker logo on his tank top but i definitely enjoyed his return. He should have slowed down his approach but I loved every second of it.
I think he is cooler than ever.
Kane Knight
03-16-2004, 01:19 AM
Yeah, Calloway doesn't want to be the Dead Man. He wants to be a lazy hick with no interesting character...Basically, play himself.
And why would he want to be a character that entertains people, when he can be himself and get "Taker Sucks!" chants?
Oh yeah...He's kept evolving his character. Problem with evolution is that it's a blind process and sometimes makes bad changes. In nature, these undesirable changes are weeded out quickly. In the case of the Undertaker, they've been accentuated.
Wow. So now he's evolved into a hybrid. by hybrid, apparently, we mean sucky, halfassed attempt to milk the old popular taker without actually applying any effort. Good job.
John la Rock
03-16-2004, 02:36 AM
It was awesome. The WWE did a good job IMO
rottednation
03-16-2004, 03:12 AM
I thought there were reasons for coming out the way he did. I thought he was going to enter truly original: Paul, The old hat, His tie, And everything else... ...he didn't.
I believe he may have not used the very original look because of the hair, and what not, but that's just me. Anyhow, it was 50/50...
I think the old look will come in, in time...
Corkscrewed
03-16-2004, 03:40 AM
Well, there are definitely varied responses. Some love it, some hate it, some are okay. I personally wish they would have suited him in full trenchcoat armor like the Phenom, circa 1998. But I guess you can't get everything... He should at least not wear a tank top IMO, though. I think that's my biggest concern. His original sleeveless collared shirt is much better IMO.
Corkscrewed
03-16-2004, 03:41 AM
EDIT: Whoops, wrong thread.
Mister Sinister
03-16-2004, 03:58 AM
I would of almost been sold on it if it wasn't him coming down in a Cowboy Hat, and it was that damn Belt Buckle that completely ruined it!
road doggy dogg
03-16-2004, 05:30 AM
To be honest, it could have been a LOT worse, so I'm not too picky right now.
JJ Moore
03-16-2004, 05:36 AM
It was good. But then again i coudlnt really be bothered with having my own opinion.
Scarface
03-16-2004, 06:25 AM
Taker looked awesome, but then again I watched Maverick again the other day so cowboys and poker players are cool in my book.
Besides, older deadman/phenom Taker doesnt suit todays *real world* WWE.
Tornado
03-16-2004, 06:40 AM
The general feeling seems to be that it was a bit of a dissapointment, and I kinda agree. It was built up since the Royal Rumble that the dead will rise again, the Deadman is returning. Well, at XX, he kinda did. He was half deadman, half biker. I suppose it could have been a hell of a lot worse, the gongs could have gone off, then he could have come out on his bike, that would have sucked.
-edit-
I would of almost been sold on it if it wasn't him coming down in a Cowboy Hat, and it was that damn Belt Buckle that completely ruined it!
LOL, yeah, the one thing that ruined it was a belt buckle...:roll:
Sephiroth
03-16-2004, 09:15 AM
I almost killed my self when i saw Undertaker coming out as the Dead American Badass, though Benoit winning the title made me change my mind.
The Mackem
03-16-2004, 09:20 AM
So if a biker died tomorrow and then rose from the dead would he be wearing a bikers outfit or would he stop off at the local mall and change into an Undertakers costume :?:
rottednation
03-16-2004, 10:17 PM
I still think that the old look will develop in time. At least I hope...
Kane Knight
03-16-2004, 10:21 PM
So if a biker died tomorrow and then rose from the dead would he be wearing a bikers outfit or would he stop off at the local mall and change into an Undertakers costume :?:
Why would he stop at the mall for a a redneck attire either?
I guess, bottom line is, if you're expecting that it makes no sense for him to change attire, why is he not decked out exactly as before?
And why is a Dead Man's hair growing?
Taker Fan
03-16-2004, 11:03 PM
I thought that the return was pretty cool, but I was expecting the Old School Taker back. But, throughout time, I think that Taker will slowly develop into the old one. If you remember, Taker didn't immediately become the biker, because he still had some stuff from his deadman gimmick left. Such as the coat and the creepy promos.
I think that having Taker slowly develop into the deadman is better than having him have a full turn right away, because as months go by he will begin to get stale already because there is little room for change in his gimmick. Now, maybe in April or so, Taker will start to look real pale, and then a few weeks later, he'll start to change his attire. Hopefully the WWE was just trying to avoid making Taker's character too nostalgic too quickly.
The CyNick
03-17-2004, 12:01 AM
To me, and the whole Taker reverting back to the old gimmick wasn't a big deal to me, I thought it was false advertising.
All the build up made it seem like he would be back as the old Deadman, what we got at Mania was a change from biker Taker to Cowboy Taker. Now he did sit up, and he did use the Tombstone, and he did have Paul Bearor, but aside from that, it was the same old guy.
Its funny because when Taker left I was enjoying his character as much as Ive ever enjoyed him. He was selling a lot more, he had that awesome match with Angle, and I just figured we might finally be at a point where he would be showing some weakness, which would lead to him finally putting people over.
However, now with the new gimmick I think they've painted themselves into a tough corner. My thinking was that the Old School gimmick would be white hot for a couple of months or so, and then die off. I actually thought it could lead to some increases in house show gates because people who have left might be drawn back to see Taker again. However, with the new look, I dont think anyone will be banging down doors to see this look, which is same as the Biker Taker, only now he has a new hat.
It was a tough spot for Calloway because he was against the gimmick change, but Vince pushed it hard and Taker backed down. Now, for all we know, it may come out that Taker kicked up a fuss and the result was that Vince agreed to let him come out as a hybrid of all the gimmicks.
Who knows, maybe people are satisfied with the music and the urn and the lack of selling, for me its not new enough to be cool in a retro way and its too goofy to be current, so I dont know.
Of course the biggest thing with all this is that Taker has no purpose right now. He wont be putting anyone over, hell he wont be selling nevermind putting anyone over. Unfortunately for him there are no heels left to beat. He squashed Kane at Mania, so there's no reason for a rematch. Angle if he can work will be married to Eddie. Show could be used as fodder for Taker, and thats about it. I dont see a logical intriguing fued for Taker at this point.
Paki Crippler
03-17-2004, 12:08 AM
i was a bit disappointed of what i saw just cause may be the hype was soo much and the undertaker didnt deliever of what he used to....
DegenerationY
03-17-2004, 12:26 AM
anybody got a picture?
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 12:29 AM
To me, and the whole Taker reverting back to the old gimmick wasn't a big deal to me, I thought it was false advertising.
All the build up made it seem like he would be back as the old Deadman, what we got at Mania was a change from biker Taker to Cowboy Taker. Now he did sit up, and he did use the Tombstone, and he did have Paul Bearor, but aside from that, it was the same old guy.
Its funny because when Taker left I was enjoying his character as much as Ive ever enjoyed him. He was selling a lot more, he had that awesome match with Angle, and I just figured we might finally be at a point where he would be showing some weakness, which would lead to him finally putting people over.
However, now with the new gimmick I think they've painted themselves into a tough corner. My thinking was that the Old School gimmick would be white hot for a couple of months or so, and then die off. I actually thought it could lead to some increases in house show gates because people who have left might be drawn back to see Taker again. However, with the new look, I dont think anyone will be banging down doors to see this look, which is same as the Biker Taker, only now he has a new hat.
It was a tough spot for Calloway because he was against the gimmick change, but Vince pushed it hard and Taker backed down. Now, for all we know, it may come out that Taker kicked up a fuss and the result was that Vince agreed to let him come out as a hybrid of all the gimmicks.
Who knows, maybe people are satisfied with the music and the urn and the lack of selling, for me its not new enough to be cool in a retro way and its too goofy to be current, so I dont know.
Of course the biggest thing with all this is that Taker has no purpose right now. He wont be putting anyone over, hell he wont be selling nevermind putting anyone over. Unfortunately for him there are no heels left to beat. He squashed Kane at Mania, so there's no reason for a rematch. Angle if he can work will be married to Eddie. Show could be used as fodder for Taker, and thats about it. I dont see a logical intriguing fued for Taker at this point.
CyNick, spot on as usual.
I'm not totally interested in the Undertaker anymore. Calloway was cool a decade ago, but he didn't do much for me over the last couple of years. Far as I was concerned, seeing him return as the Dead Man was just going to be a cool moment for Wrestlemania and nothing else.
Anyways, that's just my feeling on the subject. I know a ton of people disagree, it's just my opinion and such.
The Mackem
03-17-2004, 07:09 AM
Why would he stop at the mall for a a redneck attire either?
I guess, bottom line is, if you're expecting that it makes no sense for him to change attire, why is he not decked out exactly as before?
And why is a Dead Man's hair growing?
Well I didn't see the event when he was buried and I haven't seen Wrestlemania so I guess you're right about the attire. Thing is I think it makes a bit more sense for him to be a biker/undertaker hybrid sort of "yeah I'm a biker but I'm a dead one!!!!1111"
I think your hair still grows when you're dead.
DONG! DONG!
The Mackem
03-17-2004, 07:12 AM
But yeah, I agree with the line of thinking of the characters potential. Who will he squash who will beat him etc. I agree with cynick what is the point of having a no-selling Undertaker in the current climate?
Pegasus Crawford
03-17-2004, 07:19 AM
anybody got a picture?
http://darksavior.servegame.com/images/wm20taker01.jpg
http://darksavior.servegame.com/images/wm20taker03.jpg
Evolution
03-17-2004, 08:34 AM
My God it's worse than I remember.
SuperSlim
03-17-2004, 09:39 AM
I was greatly disappointed... notice how on Raw they tried to keep away from showin him too much cause I bet they were ashamed also.
I'm a huge Taker fan and everything but that was sucky, even for me. Hope they do somethin better next time.
JJ Moore
03-17-2004, 10:23 AM
lol next time? when he goes away and comes back as the american badass? :S
tucsonspeed6
03-17-2004, 11:15 AM
Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa......
Doesn't anybody remember from "Undertaker: This Is My Yard" the part where Undertaker explains how he kept envolving his character to look different after a given amount of time. Undertaker never went back to looking how he originally did. Not even at WrestleMania 13, when he wore the gray gloves and boot stir-ups (or whatever) because he had longer black hair than when he started out.
Since the WWE had taken the Undertaker away from the zombie "how can you beat a man that is already dead" character and made him the "American Bad Ass" normal human being... its really unnatural for him to go back completely into a zombie. The argument could be made that he was "buried" and "killed" by Kane and he returned as the deadman.
I thought the WWE did the right thing by debuting this new hybrid-Undertaker. I thought he looked so f*cking cool when he came out. The giant western fedora looked really awesome and menacing, the trenchcoat was awesome too. I would have had the old Undertaker gloves and his boots and maybe an Undertaker logo on his tank top but i definitely enjoyed his return. He should have slowed down his approach but I loved every second of it.
I think he is cooler than ever.
Good Point, but I still hate him. I only like him as a heel, and even then I only like him marginally. ...or should I say margerinally.
No. No, I was right the first time. (It's not funny, but I still try sometimes)
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 01:17 PM
http://darksavior.servegame.com/images/wm20taker03.jpg
I will not...Rest...In Peace...HEEEEYUCK!
Deceit
03-17-2004, 03:06 PM
I don't know, I feel like i'm the only one who sees some logic and "creativity", if you will, in his new "gimmick". I said it in the WM20 thread, and i'll say it here, it's a pretty accurate hybrid of taker's previous gimmicks all piled into one. They maintain a human-like body with a bit of evil and darkness to him. I honestly thought it was complete shit at first, then I thought about it some more. As for his attire, i'm not boner-happy on what a wrestler wears, I could honestly care less.
As for what CyNick said about his current direction, I was thinking the same myself. He squashed Kane, what now? They're obviously going to push him as this immovable object for a few months, so who or what is left for him to squash? A title run? Maybe, but seeing how well Eddie is doing with the WWE championship, and Benoit's current popularity and potential, who knows.
They definitely did stick themselves in a corner with this.
Sensei Of Mattitude
03-17-2004, 03:24 PM
I still think he looks completely awesome. I was at XX and when I saw him walk out, I turned to my friend and said "HE LOOKS SO F*CKING COOL"... and IMO he does. I love it. I expect good things.
Dark Supremo
03-17-2004, 03:24 PM
The undertaker could of looked more evil like this
http://teiseken.free.fr/ancitests/undertaker.jpg
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 03:26 PM
I don't know, I feel like i'm the only one who sees some logic and "creativity", if you will, in his new "gimmick". I said it in the WM20 thread, and i'll say it here, it's a pretty accurate hybrid of taker's previous gimmicks all piled into one. They maintain a human-like body with a bit of evil and darkness to him. I honestly thought it was complete shit at first, then I thought about it some more. As for his attire, i'm not boner-happy on what a wrestler wears, I could honestly care less.
As for what CyNick said about his current direction, I was thinking the same myself. He squashed Kane, what now? They're obviously going to push him as this immovable object for a few months, so who or what is left for him to squash? A title run? Maybe, but seeing how well Eddie is doing with the WWE championship, and Benoit's current popularity and potential, who knows.
They definitely did stick themselves in a corner with this.
It's not really a hybrid. It's not really creative.
Sensei Of Mattitude
03-17-2004, 03:28 PM
I thought the Undertaker was MAD boring during 1998-1999. He golden runs were 1990-1993, 2000-2002. I am so happy he had a NEW look.
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 03:31 PM
I thought the Undertaker was MAD boring during 1998-1999. He golden runs were 1990-1993, 2000-2002. I am so happy he had a NEW look.
Uhhhh...
It's a shame there wasn't a NEW wrestler. :|
Corkscrewed
03-17-2004, 03:33 PM
He needs to get rid of the tank top and wear the old sleeveless collared shirt again.
Sensei Of Mattitude
03-17-2004, 03:34 PM
Wait a second
REMEMBER WHEN EVERYONE WAS FLAMING ME FOR WANTING TO BRING BACK ROAD DOGG AND RICK STEINER. EVERYONE TOLD ME "stop looking to the past".
Well guess what..... "STOP LOOKING TO THE PAST". The Undertaker is back and he has a different look, acts halfway deadman and halfway Biker. He DID NOT GO COMPLETELY TO THE PAST... HE WANTS TO BE ORIGINAL.
Sensei Of Mattitude
03-17-2004, 03:35 PM
Forget the old collared shirt, he could add a few Undertaker logos on his pants and shirt
Gerard
03-17-2004, 03:36 PM
New look? His "new look" is basically the american badass look without the "deadman inc" writing on his trouser legs. The only thing "new" about this is the cowboy hat, as the american badass look originally started out with him wearing a trenchcoat.
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 03:37 PM
Wait a second
REMEMBER WHEN EVERYONE WAS FLAMING ME FOR WANTING TO BRING BACK ROAD DOGG AND RICK STEINER. EVERYONE TOLD ME "stop looking to the past".
Well guess what..... "STOP LOOKING TO THE PAST". The Undertaker is back and he has a different look, acts halfway deadman and halfway Biker. He DID NOT GO COMPLETELY TO THE PAST... HE WANTS TO BE ORIGINAL.
Then perhaps he shouldn't be playing as a rehashed character...:|
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 03:44 PM
By the way...
They advertised something which fans do not think they delivered and which they are not happy with. They are disappointed that the sucky Biker Taker has turned into the sucky biker taker with a hat...
You want to bring back old people to relive former glories...
And you can't tell even a SLIGHT bit of difference?
Danny Electric
03-17-2004, 03:49 PM
I think it's more realistic that he's dead and is still the American Badass look(kind of) as it's what he would of been wearing(kind of), when he died.
But it would have been cool to have seen 'old skool' Undertaker.
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 03:52 PM
I think it's more realistic that he's dead and is still the American Badass look(kind of) as it's what he would of been wearing(kind of), when he died.
But it would have been cool to have seen 'old skool' Undertaker.
Realism...
The guy was buried in a public stadium and never dug up.
He then began to send "supernatural" messages from beyond the grave.
He either rose from the dead or remained fine buried alive (Anyone who's seen Mythbusters should know why I laugh here).
And when he comes back from being "buried," he's sporting a trench and fedora that he wasn't buried in.
Remind me where realism comes into this?
Smitty
03-17-2004, 03:56 PM
maybe his new attire wasnt ready for Wrestlemania :y: so he had to throw on his badass outfit and wear a shitty coat and hat....or maybe not.
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 03:57 PM
maybe his new attire wasnt ready for Wrestlemania :y: so he had to throw on his badass outfit and wear a shitty coat and hat....or maybe not.
Ten bucks says you just gave a better explanation than the WWE ever would.
Smitty
03-17-2004, 04:04 PM
Ten bucks says you just gave a better explanation than the WWE ever would.
:lol: :lol:
Danny Electric
03-17-2004, 04:09 PM
Realism...
The guy was buried in a public stadium and never dug up.
He then began to send "supernatural" messages from beyond the grave.
He either rose from the dead or remained fine buried alive (Anyone who's seen Mythbusters should know why I laugh here).
And when he comes back from being "buried," he's sporting a trench and fedora that he wasn't buried in.
Remind me where realism comes into this?
The supernatural messages, it's happened. Just ask any old white trash.
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 04:12 PM
The supernatural messages, it's happened. Just ask any old white trash.
Becky Jo! What in the Heeeull is going on hur?
What's wrong, Cletus?
The Trailer keeps amovin' and these purple lights are flashin' some funny squiggles!
That's just cuzin Mark comin' over to visit!
Danny Electric
03-17-2004, 04:13 PM
Becky Jo! What in the Heeeull is going on hur?
What's wrong, Cletus?
The Trailer keeps amovin' and these purple lights are flashin' some funny squiggles!
That's just cuzin Mark comin' over to visit!
:D
The Tool
03-17-2004, 04:17 PM
I like the new look. Yeah, they could have went back and recreated the mortician dead man. It would have been much better for the one night of wrestlemania i suppose. However, where would you take that character after wrestlemania? It just wouldn't fit into the current day wwe. You would have people whining, hes too slow, hes boring, he doesn't sell and lay down for my favourite cruiserweight, blah blah blah. I think they recreated the deadman gimmick the best they could, with a little originality. That is just my opinion though.
The Naitch
03-17-2004, 04:25 PM
Next week, The Deadman will show up with amour, his druids and a west coast choppers tang top.
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 04:26 PM
I like the new look. Yeah, they could have went back and recreated the mortician dead man. It would have been much better for the one night of wrestlemania i suppose. However, where would you take that character after wrestlemania? It just wouldn't fit into the current day wwe. You would have people whining, hes too slow, hes boring, he doesn't sell and lay down for my favourite cruiserweight, blah blah blah. I think they recreated the deadman gimmick the best they could, with a little originality. That is just my opinion though.
Well, where exactly is he going without it?
He's still slow, he's still boring. He still doesn't fit in with the modern day because he did "rise from the grave," and all that shit.
Gerard
03-17-2004, 05:08 PM
Im still wondering where this "new look" is.... :shifty:
Deceit
03-17-2004, 06:37 PM
It's not really a hybrid. It's not really creative.
It's not a hybrid? He doesn't look human like the biker look? His attire is biker-ish with a bit of evil, is it not? It's clearly a fairly noticable unison of his previous gimmicks.
As for you saying "It's not really creative" is ridiculous. Creativity is in the eyes of the beholder. What a narrow mind you have towards this topic.
EDIT: as for him being slow, I think the time off did him well, as he looked like he was in better shape than he was when he left.
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 07:36 PM
It's not a hybrid? He doesn't look human like the biker look? His attire is biker-ish with a bit of evil, is it not? It's clearly a fairly noticable unison of his previous gimmicks.
As for you saying "It's not really creative" is ridiculous. Creativity is in the eyes of the beholder. What a narrow mind you have towards this topic.
EDIT: as for him being slow, I think the time off did him well, as he looked like he was in better shape than he was when he left.
OMG UR SO NARROW MINDED :roll:
The CyNick
03-17-2004, 07:49 PM
By the way...
They advertised something which fans do not think they delivered and which they are not happy with. They are disappointed that the sucky Biker Taker has turned into the sucky biker taker with a hat...
You want to bring back old people to relive former glories...
And you can't tell even a SLIGHT bit of difference?
Right
This is my main problem with the whole thing. The lead up to Mania, led everyone to believe that Taker was coming back as either the grey/purple glove Taker or the evil satanic Taker form 99. Neither came back. The character that came back was the same guy who left, only now as was said "he's got a new hat" and he's no longer selling.
The look aside, even his entrance was weak. Maybe I was expecting too much, but when I got to MSG and I seen the stage set up, I thought 'thats odd', and then I figured it was put so they could do a really cool entrance for Taker. But all they did was rehash the deal from Mania XIV, which was cool at the time, but I expected a lot more.
I was in the arena, and the crowd was going crazy for Taker's return, and he got a great pop coming out and he got another good pop for winning, but I felt that a lot of people went flat after seeing him come out, because he looked pretty much the same as when he left.
Kane Knight
03-17-2004, 08:00 PM
Right
This is my main problem with the whole thing. The lead up to Mania, led everyone to believe that Taker was coming back as either the grey/purple glove Taker or the evil satanic Taker form 99. Neither came back. The character that came back was the same guy who left, only now as was said "he's got a new hat" and he's no longer selling.
The look aside, even his entrance was weak. Maybe I was expecting too much, but when I got to MSG and I seen the stage set up, I thought 'thats odd', and then I figured it was put so they could do a really cool entrance for Taker. But all they did was rehash the deal from Mania XIV, which was cool at the time, but I expected a lot more.
I was in the arena, and the crowd was going crazy for Taker's return, and he got a great pop coming out and he got another good pop for winning, but I felt that a lot of people went flat after seeing him come out, because he looked pretty much the same as when he left.
"But...He's got a NEW HAT!"
Yeah. I cringed with Paul Bearer's voice, I saw the entrance, which was pretty cool, right til we got up to the Biker with a fedora.
:| came to mind.
Deceit
03-17-2004, 11:28 PM
OMG WRESTLING IS LIFE. :/
The Tool
03-18-2004, 03:16 AM
people are entitled to their opinions even if it doesn;t fit in with Kane Knight's perfect world
The Tool
03-18-2004, 03:20 AM
as far as him being boring, that is all a matter of opinion. i find cruiserweights to be boring. they go beyond fullspeed and miss so many spots it is rediculous. yet, i can see why some like it, even if i don't. in the same regards, i'll never find taker boring.
gotmilkfunb
03-18-2004, 08:46 AM
I really like the new mixture of "Badass" and "Deadman." What's wrong with getting the best of both worlds? As long as he has Paul Bearer and the Urn, what's not to like? Music - Check, Urn - Check, Paul Bearer - Check, Taunts and moves - Check. Don't go all queer eye on WWE people. OMG he wore a cowboy hat! Seriously folks, back in the 1990s, did he not wear a top hat? Its not that big of a change! yeah, it did take some getting used to at first, but you'll get over it, don't worry.
The Naitch
03-18-2004, 01:41 PM
you must be a relative of Mark
OMFG, Taker's wearing his bandana underneath his cowboy hat on Smackdown, and he's kneeling down in the middle of the ring like he used to, and the writers expect that he's going to be able to pull off his old deadman gimmick?
Superman16343
03-18-2004, 10:09 PM
Yeah, the Bandana was not necessary to wear, at all.
R3st!nP3ac3
03-18-2004, 11:00 PM
Ok i agreed at first that Undertakers new look was gay..but if you think about it...a Biker will rise again as still looking partially like a Biker..and eventually he will grow more into his older self like he usually does..but in most words i was kinda hoping his hair wouldnt be short as it used to be...he needs to grow that back out..and i liked the biker/dead look of the fact that a Biker will rise from the dead....but the bandana went to far...and he needs to at least drop that...but hey...the tombstone and eyes are back...woot
Kane Knight
03-18-2004, 11:11 PM
as far as him being boring, that is all a matter of opinion. i find cruiserweights to be boring. they go beyond fullspeed and miss so many spots it is rediculous. yet, i can see why some like it, even if i don't. in the same regards, i'll never find taker boring.
Your idea of a cruiserweight is evidently lita or jeff hardy...:lol:
Kane Knight
03-18-2004, 11:12 PM
OMG WRESTLING IS LIFE. :/
:lol:
That's exactly what I said by mocking someone who needed to resort to such a pathetic argument...
Kane Knight
03-18-2004, 11:14 PM
people are entitled to their opinions even if it doesn;t fit in with Kane Knight's perfect world
OMG!!!!!!RU THERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Duh. :roll:
Just because you've got an opinion doesn't mean everyone else is gonna roll over and stop arguing theirs.
Please do try and understand that just because I haven't dropped down and started rimming you because your two braincells are dead set does NOT mean that you have somehow been denied your right to an opinion...:|
of1blo0dsfall
03-19-2004, 09:44 AM
I have stopped watching wrestling ever since the draft between raw and smackdown took place, but when i heard the undertaker was going to come back as the deadman, i had to see it, because the whole badass gimmick sucked when it started. Once i saw Paul Bearer, i had an idea taker was going to wear the hat. Though, when i saw him appear on the ramp, my reaction was "Umm, wat is that ?" all they had to do was make the old costume again. I was even more disappointed when he fought. When he first started to punch kane, he fought as if he was still in the badass biker form cuz the old taker never fought like that. I only saw 2 characteristics of the old taker. When he walked the top ropes which kane blocked, and the tombstone. Oh ya, he rolled his eyes back. big woopy doo. major disappoint. I could have planned that better. too stupid to screw up and wwf (refuse to call them wwe) did just that. Thats why i stopped watching wrestling as a whole. They screw up too much.
Ol Dirty Dastard
03-19-2004, 09:52 AM
I thought he looked kinda cool, but that's just me.
Razor Rybek
03-19-2004, 05:18 PM
Fond memorys of a Simpsons episode came flooding back to me during Taker's entrance at Mania.......
The Talking Malibu Stacy Episode:
Marketing Guy 1: What can we do to make Malibu Stact cool again, and beat this Lisa Lionheart character?
Marketing Gal 1: LETS GIVE HER A NEW HAT!!!!!
Marketing Guy 1: I LOVE IT!!
R3st!nP3ac3
03-19-2004, 05:23 PM
i dont get why people keep dissing the hat and calling him a "cowboy" when Undertaker debuted with Million Dollar Man....GUESS WHAT....he wore a top hat..jeez now i wonder why he has the hat...
parkmania
03-19-2004, 07:36 PM
Dude, that wasn't a top hat, that was, aw hell I forget the name they give it, but it's the same hat as the guy in the Killer Instinct video games.
Deceit
03-19-2004, 08:53 PM
:lol:
That's exactly what I said by mocking someone who needed to resort to such a pathetic argument...
Haha, you crack me up every time, pal. You should "check yourself" on that one, ace. I don't sit on these forums all the time, make "internet stables", shoot a load over someone winning a championship, or scream when Triple H taps. I was merely giving my opinion, and you pretty much "forced" yours unto me. You're probably also one of the people who think Elvis is still alive :lol:.
GO AGAINST THE GRAIN, YOU BADASS YOU! :lol:
Kane Knight
03-19-2004, 10:39 PM
Haha, you crack me up every time, pal. You should "check yourself" on that one, ace. I don't sit on these forums all the time, make "internet stables", shoot a load over someone winning a championship, or scream when Triple H taps. I was merely giving my opinion, and you pretty much "forced" yours unto me. You're probably also one of the people who think Elvis is still alive :lol:.
GO AGAINST THE GRAIN, YOU BADASS YOU! :lol:
:lol:
nice lttle conspiracy theories...
Sad thing is, you prolly think that was a killer comeback...:roll:
Kane Knight
03-19-2004, 10:40 PM
And yes, I forced my opinion on you.
Bad KK...
:lol:
CBright7831
03-20-2004, 07:35 AM
I'm starting to like the new look a little better.
Sensei Of Mattitude
03-20-2004, 09:39 AM
Undertaker looks so awesome today....
BY THE WAY, his hat is called a "Western Fedora", and it looks so cool.
I don't think he should have worn the bandana on Smackdown, but oh well.
Undertaker is the f*cking shit now.
Ol Dirty Dastard
03-20-2004, 10:30 AM
http://smackdown.wwe.com/results/031804/images/28.jpg
vs.
http://www.derok.net/derek3/images/classics/wwf%20undertaker.gif
I'm sorry, in the 2nd one he looks like a tool, he looks about 10x better now than he did then.
Excellance of Execution
03-20-2004, 10:49 AM
I'm starting to like the look now that i've seen it more than once. I originally didn't like it at all. I think they should tweek his look a little though. Perhaps some white contacts to make it appear he has to pupils, thus making him look zombie like so he appears 'dead'.
CBright7831
03-20-2004, 10:52 AM
Undertaker looks so awesome today....
BY THE WAY, his hat is called a "Western Fedora", and it looks so cool.
I don't think he should have worn the bandana on Smackdown, but oh well.
Undertaker is the f*cking shit now.
Yeah, the bandana looked good with the hat but once he took it off, I thought the same thing Paul Heyman yelled out:
"OH MY GOD!!!!"
Ol Dirty Dastard
03-20-2004, 11:00 AM
The Biker look mixes well with the dead man look, I dunno. Looks like some really dark badass, too bad he's not that good of a wrestler, nor can he cut that great of a promo, but he still looks cool. Plus, get him in the ring with an Angle or Guerrero and they'll muster a good match out of him.
tucsonspeed6
03-20-2004, 12:30 PM
Old Taker: Total tool now that I look at him again.
Biker Taker: Ok for a while...I guess.
New Taker: Well...at least he isn't so much of a tool now. Seriously, did anyone expect the old taker to hop in his De Lorean and jump from the 80's to WM20? The hair makes him look like a beefed up Howard Stern, and why wear a tie? The new taker could have gotten a little scarier if he added some fake scars or some blackouts in his eyes or something.
The Mackem
03-20-2004, 10:38 PM
I like it :meh:
Boondock Saint
03-20-2004, 10:49 PM
http://smackdown.wwe.com/results/031804/images/28.jpg
vs.
http://www.derok.net/derek3/images/classics/wwf%20undertaker.gif
I'm sorry, in the 2nd one he looks like a tool, he looks about 10x better now than he did then.
Yeah, when compared like that I agree. I liked the new look initially, but compared to the older Taker, I think it just looks cooler.
Pegasus Crawford
03-21-2004, 04:30 AM
I wonder if they're gonna pull off some schizophrenia angle with the Taker, where he jumps from gimmick to gimmick constantly.
Kane Knight
03-21-2004, 12:39 PM
I dunno. He looks like a tool nowadays in the old gimmick, but he doesn't exactly look like less of a tool with his new gimmick.
I think the guy from "secret Window" looked more intimidating than Taker does right now...And he's SUPPOSED to be a fu</>ckin' hick! :lol:
KillerWolf
03-21-2004, 03:38 PM
i was browsing the net ( i typed in "new deadman gimmick sucks" ) and i wound up here. and i agree with a lot of what youve stated.
first of all, it makes no sense to bring back 1991 Undertaker, for all of the reasons stated all over this post. and yes, babyface biker Undertaker sucks ass.
in my mind, this is the only way the Undertaker can be cool again: hear me out:
a heel. instead of a hybrid between "old western" taker and "biker" taker, he'd be a hybrid of "ministry" taker and "red devil" taker. again, hear me out. his boots would be knee high biker type boots, ya know-with straps and buckles. his pants would be something similar to "ministry" taker's tights that looked like they had chain link or something down the side of the legs. his shirt would be just an open biker vest, black of course, and without any stupid logos on it. he'd also go with elbow supporters and grappling gloves of some sort. he can keep his hair short. he can even ride his motorcycle to the ring sometimes. and his entrance music would be "Hells Bells" by AC/DC. yes. that would be perfect.
this would be a character that :
a) would be cool and original rather than a lame attempt at capitolizing on nostalgia
b) mark caloway could live with ( he looks as though he is thinking "shoot me" in WM20 pictures ).
c) would be interesting to the fans, and flexible enough to stay interesting and stay relative to plot angles, and be able to have fueds that make sense.
d) be able to pretty much retain his current fighting style ( because lets face it, the man is NOT the phenom anymore, and personally, i like his "submission/smashmouth" style at this point in his career ).
in order to work, this character would have to be ruthless, vile, satanic, and evil, and make the fans rest easy that there would be no face turn at any time soon. and he generally would be called something besides "Undertaker".
ill be glad to hear what everyone thinks of my idea for what wwe NEEDS TO DO with the Undertake
:lol:
nice lttle conspiracy theories...
Sad thing is, you prolly think that was a killer comeback...:roll:
I thought his comeback was rather ingenius....
Kane Knight
03-21-2004, 03:48 PM
I thought his comeback was rather ingenius....
k. Well, your feedback is highly valued, random poster who I don't recognise. It has totally changed my outlook on his conspiracy theory.
k. Well, your feedback is highly valued, random poster who I don't recognise. It has totally changed my outlook on his conspiracy theory.
How in the name of all that is holy did you manage to get 45,000 posts since the new boards opened??
Kane Knight
03-21-2004, 03:56 PM
How in the name of all that is holy did you manage to get 45,000 posts since the new boards opened??
I didn't.
KillerWolf
03-21-2004, 04:15 PM
I thought his comeback was rather ingenius....
wrong. for all the hype and (stupid) theatrics in the weeks preceeding, what the wwe delivered at WM20 was the american badass with a few cheap props like a hat and Paul Bearer......and an urn.
...........why is Paul Bearer there???????
Kane Knight
03-21-2004, 04:24 PM
wrong. for all the hype and (stupid) theatrics in the weeks preceeding, what the wwe delivered at WM20 was the american badass with a few cheap props like a hat and Paul Bearer......and an urn.
...........why is Paul Bearer there???????
Because the hat alone is not enough to fool people.
The hat and Bearer, evidently, ARE.
samichna
03-21-2004, 04:28 PM
http://smackdown.wwe.com/results/031804/images/28.jpg
vs.
http://www.derok.net/derek3/images/classics/wwf%20undertaker.gif
I'm sorry, in the 2nd one he looks like a tool, he looks about 10x better now than he did then.
Gotta keep in mind though, that everyone back then looked like a tool.
Kane Knight
03-21-2004, 04:38 PM
Gotta keep in mind though, that everyone back then looked like a tool.
And that the "oldschool" Undertaker had more than one appearance, some which would look better, even today...
http://www.rocknwillys.com/25_undertaker_signed.jpg
http://wrestling-4-life.de/images/ligenhistory/undertaker.jpg
Oh wait...In order to not be the Biker, he has to wear a purple tie...The source of his supernatural power, right Dale?
CBright7831
03-21-2004, 05:49 PM
Taker hated going back to this dead man gimmick in the first place.
KillerWolf
03-21-2004, 06:22 PM
what do you guys think of post # 96 ?
Kane Knight
03-21-2004, 06:27 PM
Taker hated going back to this dead man gimmick in the first place.
Good thing for him, because he didn't.
It's pretty well-kniwn that he didn't want to act anymore. I mean, why entertain people when you can go out and be Mark Callaway?
Hell, in his place, I woulda taken it a step further. I woulda come out drunk, in my boxers, holding a remote control (And attempting to change the Titantron with it).
KillerWolf
03-21-2004, 06:38 PM
Good thing for him, because he didn't.
It's pretty well-kniwn that he didn't want to act anymore. I mean, why entertain people when you can go out and be Mark Callaway?
Hell, in his place, I woulda taken it a step further. I woulda come out drunk, in my boxers, holding a remote control (And attempting to change the Titantron with it).
LOL
R3st!nP3ac3
03-21-2004, 07:57 PM
hahahah
R3st!nP3ac3
03-21-2004, 08:01 PM
i agreed with everyone at first with Taker looking gay with the new gimmick, but i grew to like it a lot more once i saw it and realized it. the guy doesnt even wanna go back to deadman. so they didnt go full out with it, it woulda looked badass but it coulda just ruined it. The new gimmick cool but i think of a couple changes..a little eye darkening, and NO BANDANA..dead/biker things goin cool, but they cant cut it with the bandana
Ol Dirty Dastard
03-21-2004, 08:03 PM
I dunno, the makeup job looks really cheesy, on whatever Taker he was.
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