Taker @ WM XX

**Iceman90** · 03-15-2004, 06:31 PM

Did anyone else feel that The Undertaker looked plain stupid? That hat and coat don't work with the grappling gloves and singlet top with leather pants.

It seems he wants to keep 'the best of both' his gimmicks, but I think he failed. We wanted to see The Phenom return, not "The American Bad Ass Who Also Happens To Be A Deadman"

Input?

**Mister Sinister** · 03-15-2004, 06:34 PM

and you can't forget that Belt Buckle, When I saw Taker come out and they showed his face with the Cowboy hat on, I was like...That's not the Undertaker, That's Tim McGraw......

But he was seemingly over during the crowd with the match, but I think it's going to end up a Failure

**Ricky** · 03-15-2004, 06:37 PM

It was good.

**The Mackem** · 03-15-2004, 06:40 PM

In their begining there was the undertaker and Ricky said it was good.

**HHHsucks929** · 03-15-2004, 07:33 PM

I was thoroughly disappointed, and I don't think I'm alone here. I was expecting either the dead man (purple gloves, stockings) or the phenom (Taker circa 1998). I was banking on the Undertaker being the one thing that wouldn't disappoint me, and he did. It's too bad the NY crowd reacted so strongly, they probably thought this was the right thing to do. The American Badass has gotten old and needs to goa way COMPLETELY. No hybrids. Even a brand new dead man would work, just no American Badass please!

**Volchok** · 03-15-2004, 08:34 PM

Yeah i've always been a fan of Taker but ever since the " American Badass " gimmick just never workd for me.. it just didnt seem like the same Undertaker and last night when he was sopposed to come back as the " Deadman " i was marking out like crazy for the druids and Paul.. and then Taker comes out and i was like.... What The ****!

**MVP** · 03-15-2004, 08:43 PM

I was pretty dissapointed.

Taker's return as the "deadman" is hyped to high heaven for two months. At Wrestlemania, Paul Bearer returns, Taker has a sweet re-make of his old deadman theme song, druids line with burning sticks, and suddenly Taker walks out looking like a cowboy.

Unfortunately you can't help it if Taker really doesn't want to go back to the "deadman" persona.

**CBright7831** · 03-15-2004, 09:52 PM

Let's not forget that the Deadman Undertaker ambled around the ring with all the speed of a block of granite in between throwing the odd punch here and punch there and he sold even less than the Biker Undertaker. The look was a letdown, but I'd rather have him move around the ring and be at least marginally entertaining than go on a nostalgia kick.

**Jason_Hawk** · 03-16-2004, 12:21 AM

They totally ruined his return, there was so much hype for a month of the deadmans return, and it was going good with the druids and paul bearer, but then we wait and look its Cowboy Taker!!!!

I have been a taker fan since he debuted with the million dollar man, but what the hell is this. lets break down his new attire, New Stuff-Cowboy Hat, Trench Coat, and longer hair. American Bad Ass Stuff-Everything else, leather pants, tanktop, and same style of wrestling. Oh except for the sit up and tombstone oh yay. The writers were doing a great job of selling his return, but then it gets totally f*cked up.

**Sensei Of Mattitude** · 03-16-2004, 01:09 AM

Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa......

Doesn't anybody remember from "Undertaker: This Is My Yard" the part where Undertaker explains how he kept envolving his character to look different after a given amount of time. Undertaker never went back to looking how he originally did. Not even at WrestleMania 13, when he wore the gray gloves and boot stir-ups (or whatever) because he had longer black hair than when he started out.

Since the WWE had taken the Undertaker away from the zombie "how can you beat a man that is already dead" character and made him the "American Bad Ass" normal human being... its really unnatural for him to go back completely into a zombie. The argument could be made that he was "buried" and "killed" by Kane and he returned as the deadman.

I thought the WWE did the right thing by debuting this new hybrid-Undertaker. I thought he looked so f*cking cool when he came out. The giant western fedora looked really awesome and menacing, the trenchcoat was awesome too. I would have had the old Undertaker gloves and his boots and maybe an Undertaker logo on his tank top but i definitely enjoyed his return. He should have slowed down his approach but I loved every second of it.

I think he is cooler than ever.

**Kane Knight** · 03-16-2004, 01:19 AM

Yeah, Calloway doesn't want to be the Dead Man. He wants to be a lazy hick with no interesting character...Basically, play himself.

And why would he want to be a character that entertains people, when he can be himself and get "Taker Sucks!" chants?

Oh yeah...He's kept evolving his character. Problem with evolution is that it's a blind process and sometimes makes bad changes. In nature, these undesirable changes are weeded out quickly. In the case of the Undertaker, they've been accentuated.

Wow. So now he's evolved into a hybrid. by hybrid, apparently, we mean sucky, halfassed attempt to milk the old popular taker without actually applying any effort. Good job.

**John la Rock** · 03-16-2004, 02:36 AM

It was awesome. The WWE did a good job IMO

**rottednation** · 03-16-2004, 03:12 AM

I thought there were reasons for coming out the way he did. I thought he was going to enter truly original: Paul, The old hat, His tie, And everything else... ...he didn't.

I believe he may have not used the very original look because of the hair, and what not, but that's just me. Anyhow, it was 50/50...

I think the old look will come in, in time...

**Corkscrewed** · 03-16-2004, 03:40 AM

Well, there are definitely varied responses. Some love it, some hate it, some are okay. I personally wish they would have suited him in full trenchcoat armor like the Phenom, circa 1998. But I guess you can't get everything... He should at least not wear a tank top IMO, though. I think that's my biggest concern. His original sleeveless collared shirt is much better IMO.

**Corkscrewed** · 03-16-2004, 03:41 AM

EDIT: Whoops, wrong thread.

**Mister Sinister** · 03-16-2004, 03:58 AM

I would of almost been sold on it if it wasn't him coming down in a Cowboy Hat, and it was that damn Belt Buckle that completely ruined it!

03-16-2004, 05:30 AM

To be honest, it could have been a LOT worse, so I'm not too picky right now.

**JJ Moore** · 03-16-2004, 05:36 AM

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It was good. But then again i coudlnt really be bothered with having my own opinion.

**Scarface** · 03-16-2004, 06:25 AM

Taker looked awesome, but then again I watched Maverick again the other day so cowboys and poker players are cool in my book.

Besides, older deadman/phenom Taker doesnt suit todays *real world* WWE.

**Tornado** · 03-16-2004, 06:40 AM

The general feeling seems to be that it was a bit of a dissapointment, and I kinda agree. It was built up since the Royal Rumble that the dead will rise again, the Deadman is returning. Well, at XX, he kinda did. He was half deadman, half biker. I suppose it could have been a hell of a lot worse, the gongs could have gone off, then he could have come out on his bike, that would have sucked.

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I would of almost been sold on it if it wasn't him coming down in a Cowboy Hat, and it was that damn Belt Buckle that completely ruined it!

LOL, yeah, the one thing that ruined it was a belt buckle...

**Sephiroth** · 03-16-2004, 09:15 AM

I almost killed my self when i saw Undertaker coming out as the Dead American Badass, though Benoit winning the title made me change my mind.

**The Mackem** · 03-16-2004, 09:20 AM

So if a biker died tomorrow and then rose from the dead would he be wearing a bikers outfit or would he stop off at the local mall and change into an Undertakers costume

**rottednation** · 03-16-2004, 10:17 PM

I still think that the old look will develop in time. At least I hope...

**Kane Knight** · 03-16-2004, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mackem

So if a biker died tomorrow and then rose from the dead would he be wearing a bikers outfit or would he stop off at the local mall and change into an Undertakers costume

Why would he stop at the mall for a a redneck attire either?

I guess, bottom line is, if you're expecting that it makes no sense for him to change attire, why is he not decked out exactly as before?

And why is a Dead Man's hair growing?

**Taker Fan** · 03-16-2004, 11:03 PM

I thought that the return was pretty cool, but I was expecting the Old School Taker back. But, throughout time, I think that Taker will slowly develop into the old one. If you remember, Taker didn't immediately become the biker, because he still had some stuff from his deadman gimmick left. Such as the coat and the creepy promos.

I think that having Taker slowly develop into the deadman is better than having him have a full turn right away, because as months go by he will begin to get stale already because there is little room for change in his gimmick. Now, maybe in April or so, Taker will start to look real pale, and then a few weeks later, he'll start to change his attire. Hopefully the WWE was just trying to avoid making Taker's character too nostalgic too quickly.

**The CyNick** · 03-17-2004, 12:01 AM

To me, and the whole Taker reverting back to the old gimmick wasn't a big deal to me, I thought it was false advertising.

All the build up made it seem like he would be back as the old Deadman, what we got at Mania was a change from biker Taker to Cowboy Taker. Now he did sit up, and he did use the Tombstone, and he did have Paul Bearor, but aside from that, it was the same old guy.

Its funny because when Taker left I was enjoying his character as much as Ive ever enjoyed him. He was selling a lot more, he had that awesome match with Angle, and I just figured we might finally be at a point where he would be showing some weakness, which would lead to him finally putting people over.

However, now with the new gimmick I think they've painted themselves into a tough corner. My thinking was that the Old School gimmick would be white hot for a couple of months or so, and then die off. I actually thought it could lead to some increases in house show gates because people who have left might be drawn back to see Taker again. However, with the new look, I dont think anyone will be banging down doors to see this look, which is same as the Biker Taker, only now he has a new hat.

It was a tough spot for Calloway because he was against the gimmick change, but Vince pushed it hard and Taker backed down. Now, for all we know, it may come out that Taker kicked up a fuss and the result was that Vince agreed to let him come out as a hybrid of all the gimmicks.

Who knows, maybe people are satisfied with the music and the urn and the lack of selling, for me its not new enough to be cool in a retro way and its too goofy to be current, so I dont know.

Of course the biggest thing with all this is that Taker has no purpose right now. He wont be putting anyone over, hell he wont be selling nevermind putting anyone over. Unfortunately for him there are no heels left to beat. He squashed Kane at Mania, so there's no reason for a rematch. Angle if he can work will be married to Eddie. Show could be used as fodder for Taker, and thats about it. I dont see a logical intriguing fued for Taker at this point.

**Paki Crippler** · 03-17-2004, 12:08 AM

i was a bit disappointed of what i saw just cause may be the hype was soo much and the undertaker didnt deliever of what he used to....

**DegenerationY** · 03-17-2004, 12:26 AM

anybody got a picture?

**Kane Knight** · 03-17-2004, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick

To me, and the whole Taker reverting back to the old gimmick wasn't a big deal to me, I thought it was false advertising.

All the build up made it seem like he would be back as the old Deadman, what we got at Mania was a change from biker Taker to Cowboy Taker. Now he did sit up, and he did use the Tombstone, and he did have Paul Bearor, but aside from that, it was the same old guy.

Its funny because when Taker left I was enjoying his character as much as Ive ever enjoyed him. He was selling a lot more, he had that awesome match with Angle, and I just figured we might finally be at a point where he would be showing some weakness, which would lead to him finally putting people over.

However, now with the new gimmick I think they've painted themselves into a tough corner. My thinking was that the Old School gimmick would be white hot for a couple of months or so, and then die off. I actually thought it could lead to some increases in house show gates because people who have left might be drawn back to see Taker again. However, with the new look, I dont think anyone will be banging down doors to see this look, which is same as the Biker Taker, only now he has a new hat.

It was a tough spot for Calloway because he was against the gimmick change, but Vince pushed it hard and Taker backed down. Now, for all we know, it may come out that Taker kicked up a fuss and the result was that Vince agreed to let him come out as a hybrid of all the gimmicks.

Who knows, maybe people are satisfied with the music and the urn and the lack of selling, for me its not new enough to be cool in a retro way and its too goofy to be current, so I dont know.

Of course the biggest thing with all this is that Taker has no purpose right now. He wont be putting anyone over, hell he wont be selling nevermind putting anyone over. Unfortunately for him there are no heels left to beat. He squashed Kane at Mania, so there's no reason for a rematch. Angle if he can work will be married to Eddie. Show could be used as fodder for Taker, and thats about it. I dont see a logical intriguing fued for Taker at this point.

CyNick, spot on as usual.

I'm not totally interested in the Undertaker anymore. Calloway was cool a decade ago, but he didn't do much for me over the last couple of years. Far as I was concerned, seeing him return as the Dead Man was just going to be a cool moment for Wrestlemania and nothing else.

Anyways, that's just my feeling on the subject. I know a ton of people disagree, it's just my opinion and such.

**The Mackem** · 03-17-2004, 07:09 AM

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Why would he stop at the mall for a a redneck attire either?

I guess, bottom line is, if you're expecting that it makes no sense for him to change attire, why is he not decked out exactly as before?

And why is a Dead Man's hair growing?

Well I didn't see the event when he was buried and I haven't seen Wrestlemania so I guess you're right about the attire. Thing is I think it makes a bit more sense for him to be a biker/undertaker hybrid sort of "yeah I'm a biker but I'm a dead one!!!!1111"

I think your hair still grows when you're dead.

DONG! DONG!

**The Mackem** · 03-17-2004, 07:12 AM

But yeah, I agree with the line of thinking of the characters potential. Who will he squash who will beat him etc. I agree with cynick what is the point of having a no-selling Undertaker in the current climate?

**Pegasus Crawford** · 03-17-2004, 07:19 AM

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anybody got a picture?

**Evolution** · 03-17-2004, 08:34 AM

My God it's worse than I remember.

**SuperSlim** · 03-17-2004, 09:39 AM

I was greatly disappointed... notice how on Raw they tried to keep away from showin him too much cause I bet they were ashamed also.

I'm a huge Taker fan and everything but that was sucky, even for me. Hope they do somethin better next time.

**JJ Moore** · 03-17-2004, 10:23 AM

lol next time? when he goes away and comes back as the american badass? :S

**tucsonspeed6** · 03-17-2004, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sensei Of Mattitude

Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa......

Doesn't anybody remember from "Undertaker: This Is My Yard" the part where Undertaker explains how he kept envolving his character to look different after a given amount of time. Undertaker never went back to looking how he originally did. Not even at WrestleMania 13, when he wore the gray gloves and boot stir-ups (or whatever) because he had longer black hair than when he started out.

Since the WWE had taken the Undertaker away from the zombie "how can you beat a man that is already dead" character and made him the "American Bad Ass" normal human being... its really unnatural for him to go back completely into a zombie. The argument could be made that he was "buried" and "killed" by Kane and he returned as the deadman.

I thought the WWE did the right thing by debuting this new hybrid-Undertaker. I thought he looked so f*cking cool when he came out. The giant western fedora looked really awesome and menacing, the trenchcoat was awesome too. I would have had the old Undertaker gloves and his boots and maybe an Undertaker logo on his tank top but i definitely enjoyed his return. He should have slowed down his approach but I loved every second of it.

I think he is cooler than ever.

Good Point, but I still hate him. I only like him as a heel, and even then I only like him marginally. ...or should I say margerinally.

No. No, I was right the first time. (It's not funny, but I still try sometimes)

**Kane Knight** · 03-17-2004, 01:17 PM

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I will not...Rest...In Peace...HEEEEYUCK!

**Deceit** · 03-17-2004, 03:06 PM

I don't know, I feel like i'm the only one who sees some logic and "creativity", if you will, in his new "gimmick". I said it in the WM20 thread, and i'll say it here, it's a pretty accurate hybrid of taker's previous gimmicks all piled into one. They maintain a human-like body with a bit of evil and darkness to him. I honestly thought it was complete shit at first, then I thought about it some more. As for his attire, i'm not boner-happy on what a wrestler wears, I could honestly care less.

As for what CyNick said about his current direction, I was thinking the same myself. He squashed Kane, what now? They're obviously going to push him as this immovable object for a few months, so who or what is left for him to squash? A title run? Maybe, but seeing how well Eddie is doing with the WWE championship, and Benoit's current popularity and potential, who knows.

They definitely did stick themselves in a corner with this.

**Sensei Of Mattitude** · 03-17-2004, 03:24 PM

I still think he looks completely awesome. I was at XX and when I saw him walk out, I turned to my friend and said "HE LOOKS SO F*CKING COOL"... and IMO he does. I love it. I expect good things.

**Dark Supremo** · 03-17-2004, 03:24 PM

The undertaker could of looked more evil like this

03-15-2004, 06:31 PM	#1
Iceman90 Posts: 433	Taker @ WM XX Did anyone else feel that The Undertaker looked plain stupid? That hat and coat don't work with the grappling gloves and singlet top with leather pants. It seems he wants to keep 'the best of both' his gimmicks, but I think he failed. We wanted to see The Phenom return, not "The American Bad Ass Who Also Happens To Be A Deadman" Input? Jacko Is Wacko If You Are A Boy! TPWW Hardcore Champion (10) 02/03/04 - Took vacant title 02/03/04 - pinned CANADIAN. 02/03/04 - pinned CANADIAN. 02/03/04 - pinned CANADIAN yet again to regain the belt. 03/03/04 - pinned splaya. 03/03/04 - pinned thuganomicalcrippler. 03/03/04 - pinned splaya. 03/03/04 - defeated Helmsphere by submission. 07/03/2004 - pinned Savior. 21/03/2004 - pinned JasonVoorhees

03-15-2004, 06:34 PM	#2
Mister Sinister Less Talk, More Rokk! Posts: 3,555	and you can't forget that Belt Buckle, When I saw Taker come out and they showed his face with the Cowboy hat on, I was like...That's not the Undertaker, That's Tim McGraw...... But he was seemingly over during the crowd with the match, but I think it's going to end up a Failure

03-15-2004, 06:40 PM	#4
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	In their begining there was the undertaker and Ricky said it was good.

03-15-2004, 07:33 PM	#5
HHHsucks929 He does though, really! Posts: 237	I was thoroughly disappointed, and I don't think I'm alone here. I was expecting either the dead man (purple gloves, stockings) or the phenom (Taker circa 1998). I was banking on the Undertaker being the one thing that wouldn't disappoint me, and he did. It's too bad the NY crowd reacted so strongly, they probably thought this was the right thing to do. The American Badass has gotten old and needs to goa way COMPLETELY. No hybrids. Even a brand new dead man would work, just no American Badass please!

03-15-2004, 08:34 PM	#6
Volchok L.G. Fuad Posts: 4,834	Yeah i've always been a fan of Taker but ever since the " American Badass " gimmick just never workd for me.. it just didnt seem like the same Undertaker and last night when he was sopposed to come back as the " Deadman " i was marking out like crazy for the druids and Paul.. and then Taker comes out and i was like.... What The ****!

03-15-2004, 08:43 PM	#7
MVP Mas Vagina Porfavor Posts: 11,343	I was pretty dissapointed. Taker's return as the "deadman" is hyped to high heaven for two months. At Wrestlemania, Paul Bearer returns, Taker has a sweet re-make of his old deadman theme song, druids line with burning sticks, and suddenly Taker walks out looking like a cowboy. Unfortunately you can't help it if Taker really doesn't want to go back to the "deadman" persona.

03-15-2004, 09:52 PM	#8
CBright7831 Posts: 1,008	Let's not forget that the Deadman Undertaker ambled around the ring with all the speed of a block of granite in between throwing the odd punch here and punch there and he sold even less than the Biker Undertaker. The look was a letdown, but I'd rather have him move around the ring and be at least marginally entertaining than go on a nostalgia kick.

03-16-2004, 12:21 AM	#9
Jason_Hawk Posts: 46	They totally ruined his return, there was so much hype for a month of the deadmans return, and it was going good with the druids and paul bearer, but then we wait and look its Cowboy Taker!!!! I have been a taker fan since he debuted with the million dollar man, but what the hell is this. lets break down his new attire, New Stuff-Cowboy Hat, Trench Coat, and longer hair. American Bad Ass Stuff-Everything else, leather pants, tanktop, and same style of wrestling. Oh except for the sit up and tombstone oh yay. The writers were doing a great job of selling his return, but then it gets totally f*cked up.

03-16-2004, 01:09 AM	#10
Sensei Of Mattitude I'd Do It For the Story Posts: 491	Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa...... Doesn't anybody remember from "Undertaker: This Is My Yard" the part where Undertaker explains how he kept envolving his character to look different after a given amount of time. Undertaker never went back to looking how he originally did. Not even at WrestleMania 13, when he wore the gray gloves and boot stir-ups (or whatever) because he had longer black hair than when he started out. Since the WWE had taken the Undertaker away from the zombie "how can you beat a man that is already dead" character and made him the "American Bad Ass" normal human being... its really unnatural for him to go back completely into a zombie. The argument could be made that he was "buried" and "killed" by Kane and he returned as the deadman. I thought the WWE did the right thing by debuting this new hybrid-Undertaker. I thought he looked so f*cking cool when he came out. The giant western fedora looked really awesome and menacing, the trenchcoat was awesome too. I would have had the old Undertaker gloves and his boots and maybe an Undertaker logo on his tank top but i definitely enjoyed his return. He should have slowed down his approach but I loved every second of it. I think he is cooler than ever.

03-16-2004, 01:19 AM	#11
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	Yeah, Calloway doesn't want to be the Dead Man. He wants to be a lazy hick with no interesting character...Basically, play himself. And why would he want to be a character that entertains people, when he can be himself and get "Taker Sucks!" chants? Oh yeah...He's kept evolving his character. Problem with evolution is that it's a blind process and sometimes makes bad changes. In nature, these undesirable changes are weeded out quickly. In the case of the Undertaker, they've been accentuated. Wow. So now he's evolved into a hybrid. by hybrid, apparently, we mean sucky, halfassed attempt to milk the old popular taker without actually applying any effort. Good job.

03-16-2004, 02:36 AM	#12
John la Rock That's how I roll!!! Posts: 4,437	It was awesome. The WWE did a good job IMO

03-16-2004, 03:12 AM	#13
rottednation Love My Fiance (Avatar) Posts: 33	I thought there were reasons for coming out the way he did. I thought he was going to enter truly original: Paul, The old hat, His tie, And everything else... ...he didn't. I believe he may have not used the very original look because of the hair, and what not, but that's just me. Anyhow, it was 50/50... I think the old look will come in, in time...

03-16-2004, 03:40 AM	#14
Corkscrewed Posts: 18,357	Well, there are definitely varied responses. Some love it, some hate it, some are okay. I personally wish they would have suited him in full trenchcoat armor like the Phenom, circa 1998. But I guess you can't get everything... He should at least not wear a tank top IMO, though. I think that's my biggest concern. His original sleeveless collared shirt is much better IMO.

03-16-2004, 03:41 AM	#15
Corkscrewed Posts: 18,357	EDIT: Whoops, wrong thread.

03-16-2004, 03:58 AM	#16
Mister Sinister Less Talk, More Rokk! Posts: 3,555	I would of almost been sold on it if it wasn't him coming down in a Cowboy Hat, and it was that damn Belt Buckle that completely ruined it!

03-16-2004, 05:30 AM	#17
road doggy dogg Guest Posts: n/a	To be honest, it could have been a LOT worse, so I'm not too picky right now.

03-16-2004, 06:25 AM	#19
Scarface I have no gimmick Posts: 1,088	Taker looked awesome, but then again I watched Maverick again the other day so cowboys and poker players are cool in my book. Besides, older deadman/phenom Taker doesnt suit todays real world WWE.

03-16-2004, 09:15 AM	#21
Sephiroth Your All Puppets Posts: 7,585	I almost killed my self when i saw Undertaker coming out as the Dead American Badass, though Benoit winning the title made me change my mind.

03-16-2004, 09:20 AM	#22
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	So if a biker died tomorrow and then rose from the dead would he be wearing a bikers outfit or would he stop off at the local mall and change into an Undertakers costume

03-16-2004, 10:17 PM	#23
rottednation Love My Fiance (Avatar) Posts: 33	I still think that the old look will develop in time. At least I hope...

03-16-2004, 11:03 PM	#25
Taker Fan The Mink Posts: 4,224	I thought that the return was pretty cool, but I was expecting the Old School Taker back. But, throughout time, I think that Taker will slowly develop into the old one. If you remember, Taker didn't immediately become the biker, because he still had some stuff from his deadman gimmick left. Such as the coat and the creepy promos. I think that having Taker slowly develop into the deadman is better than having him have a full turn right away, because as months go by he will begin to get stale already because there is little room for change in his gimmick. Now, maybe in April or so, Taker will start to look real pale, and then a few weeks later, he'll start to change his attire. Hopefully the WWE was just trying to avoid making Taker's character too nostalgic too quickly.

03-17-2004, 12:01 AM	#26
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	To me, and the whole Taker reverting back to the old gimmick wasn't a big deal to me, I thought it was false advertising. All the build up made it seem like he would be back as the old Deadman, what we got at Mania was a change from biker Taker to Cowboy Taker. Now he did sit up, and he did use the Tombstone, and he did have Paul Bearor, but aside from that, it was the same old guy. Its funny because when Taker left I was enjoying his character as much as Ive ever enjoyed him. He was selling a lot more, he had that awesome match with Angle, and I just figured we might finally be at a point where he would be showing some weakness, which would lead to him finally putting people over. However, now with the new gimmick I think they've painted themselves into a tough corner. My thinking was that the Old School gimmick would be white hot for a couple of months or so, and then die off. I actually thought it could lead to some increases in house show gates because people who have left might be drawn back to see Taker again. However, with the new look, I dont think anyone will be banging down doors to see this look, which is same as the Biker Taker, only now he has a new hat. It was a tough spot for Calloway because he was against the gimmick change, but Vince pushed it hard and Taker backed down. Now, for all we know, it may come out that Taker kicked up a fuss and the result was that Vince agreed to let him come out as a hybrid of all the gimmicks. Who knows, maybe people are satisfied with the music and the urn and the lack of selling, for me its not new enough to be cool in a retro way and its too goofy to be current, so I dont know. Of course the biggest thing with all this is that Taker has no purpose right now. He wont be putting anyone over, hell he wont be selling nevermind putting anyone over. Unfortunately for him there are no heels left to beat. He squashed Kane at Mania, so there's no reason for a rematch. Angle if he can work will be married to Eddie. Show could be used as fodder for Taker, and thats about it. I dont see a logical intriguing fued for Taker at this point.

03-17-2004, 12:08 AM	#27
Paki Crippler Full Member Posts: 213	i was a bit disappointed of what i saw just cause may be the hype was soo much and the undertaker didnt deliever of what he used to....

03-17-2004, 12:26 AM	#28
DegenerationY WARRIORS Posts: 9,414	anybody got a picture?

03-17-2004, 07:12 AM	#31
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	But yeah, I agree with the line of thinking of the characters potential. Who will he squash who will beat him etc. I agree with cynick what is the point of having a no-selling Undertaker in the current climate?

03-17-2004, 08:34 AM	#33
Evolution I Just Passed You By! Posts: 1,107	My God it's worse than I remember.

03-17-2004, 09:39 AM	#34
SuperSlim Oh Sht* Posts: 19,302	I was greatly disappointed... notice how on Raw they tried to keep away from showin him too much cause I bet they were ashamed also. I'm a huge Taker fan and everything but that was sucky, even for me. Hope they do somethin better next time.

03-17-2004, 10:23 AM	#35
JJ Moore Worm Of Reality Posts: 4,062	lol next time? when he goes away and comes back as the american badass? :S

03-17-2004, 03:06 PM	#38
Deceit Member Posts: 533	I don't know, I feel like i'm the only one who sees some logic and "creativity", if you will, in his new "gimmick". I said it in the WM20 thread, and i'll say it here, it's a pretty accurate hybrid of taker's previous gimmicks all piled into one. They maintain a human-like body with a bit of evil and darkness to him. I honestly thought it was complete shit at first, then I thought about it some more. As for his attire, i'm not boner-happy on what a wrestler wears, I could honestly care less. As for what CyNick said about his current direction, I was thinking the same myself. He squashed Kane, what now? They're obviously going to push him as this immovable object for a few months, so who or what is left for him to squash? A title run? Maybe, but seeing how well Eddie is doing with the WWE championship, and Benoit's current popularity and potential, who knows. They definitely did stick themselves in a corner with this.

03-17-2004, 03:24 PM	#39
Sensei Of Mattitude I'd Do It For the Story Posts: 491	I still think he looks completely awesome. I was at XX and when I saw him walk out, I turned to my friend and said "HE LOOKS SO F*CKING COOL"... and IMO he does. I love it. I expect good things.

03-17-2004, 03:24 PM	#40
Dark Supremo Evil Guy of TPWW Posts: 76	The undertaker could of looked more evil like this