Transformers 2: Revenge Of The Fallen

[Alan The Rapist]

I didn't like the first movie. Hard to care about machines, there's no attachment to them for me at all. That movie was just a big pile of action sequences that meant nothing to me. Just thought I'd put that out there.

You can't care about machines? What about R2D2? What about Short Circuit? Wall E? What about Arnie in T2?

Jeritron, you're talking about machines with personalities and character. In TF, there were none. There were 1980s teen angst cliches, and there were blurry actions sequences with giant terminators.

[Kalyx triaD]

Gotta love people looking for novela dept in cult franchises.

[Alan The Rapist]

Gotta love people looking for novela dept in cult franchises.

Dark Knight. End of argument.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah lol, let's get some TDK level story-telling out of Trans-fucking-Formers. Good one.

[Alan The Rapist]

Yeah lol, let's get some TDK level story-telling out of Trans-fucking-Formers. Good one.

Batman is a comic book and a toy line. After the ridiculousness of the 60s and four shitty movies in the 90s, (Yes, 89 counts as a 90) they finally made two movies that were actually good.

Mr. Bay's movie was awful. A good movie can be made. Dark Knight is proof, I'd say, that when you put forth legitimate effort, you can make a pretty good movie out of a comic book and a toy line.

[Kalyx triaD]

Blah blah blah...

Mr. Bay's movie was awful...

blah blah blah.

When you conclude one of the most hype, fun movies of 2007 as awful, it leaves you in suspect light.

[Alan The Rapist]

When you conclude one of the most hype, fun movies of 2007 as awful, it leaves you in suspect light.

Hype makes something good?

[Alan The Rapist]

When you conclude one of the most hype, fun movies of 2007 as awful, it leaves you in suspect light.

Heck, I would offer the counter argument that if you think something is good because it was hyped, then your opinion is frail to begin with.

[Kalyx triaD]

Hype makes something good?

Yes you moron! And when I say hype I don't mean marketing. I mean Barricade's first transformation, and combat rolling into a fucking speedster for a car chase with The Used blasting in the background. I mean Megatron trashing his holding cell after announcing his name to people who called him NBE-1 for decades. I mean the Autobots falling out of the sky. I mean Bonecrusher hockey-checking a bus in half!

'Fuck is wrong with you!?

[Alan The Rapist]

Yes you moron! And when I say hype I don't mean marketing. I mean Barricade's first transformation, and combat rolling into a fucking speedster for a car chase with The Used blasting in the background. I mean Megatron trashing his holding cell after announcing his name to people who called him NBE-1 for decades. I mean the Autobots falling out of the sky. I mean Bonecrusher hockey-checking a bus in half!

'Fuck is wrong with you!?

Ha ha, You know what? It always amazes me, but everytime someone says "that was a good movie" and I say "What was good about it?", the answer is always the same: "The special effects were awesome!" Nobody ever says "the story made sense" or "the characters were compelling" or "I just really like cheesy, cheesy movies". You know what was awesome when it came out? Batman. You know what looks like crap now that Batman Begins came out? Batman.

[Kalyx triaD]

Lord forbid people watch movies for great effects and action and hot chicks. Justice be damned.

[Alan The Rapist]

Lord forbid people watch movies for great effects and action and hot chicks. Justice be damned.

That's why you watch Fast and Furious shtick. Or SpikeTV.

[Alan The Rapist]

That also misses the point.

[Kalyx triaD]

No, you missed the damn point.

[Alan The Rapist]

No, you missed the damn point.

Do clarify. Unless your point is that fans of TransFormers don't deserve a real movie, because any generic action scenes with giant robots and of course hot chicks should suffice. Because you don't make franchise movies for the people who support the franchise; you make them for the generic crowd that might not even know what the franchise is.

If that's not your point, then yeah, I missed it.

[Kalyx triaD]

Do clarify. Unless your point is that fans of TransFormers don't deserve a real movie, because any generic action scenes with giant robots and of course hot chicks should suffice. Because you don't make franchise movies for the people who support the franchise; you make them for the generic crowd that might not even know what the franchise is.

YES! Yes, you pretentious prick!

You know what cult followings give you? Cult returns. That's what TF had for years. That's not how you expand at all. They've been getting by with toy lines and anime for a while, right. That was all good for Hasbro. But then the movie dropped and BOOM. Bitches know what an Optimus Prime is. Armada wasn't gonna do that. Beast Wars didn't even do that. What you fail to understand is Bay/Speilberg did the core fans a huge favor with a popcorn movie that was enjoyable on it's own merits. Now we have two movies, renewed interest, and all around new life. Maybe you were happy watching whack anime shit on Cartoon Network the last decade.

Now as far as story goes, yeah plenty of plot holes, illogical time lapses, and cheesy dialogue. Not nearly as bad as you're saying, but I know them. But Bay's TF was clearly being presented a certain way, and if you don't dig that particular way - you were predisposed against it to begin with. Have you ever heard of M. Bay?

If there's one silly thing TDK left behind is some unrealistic sense that any comic/cartoon/whatever can churn out a deep, involving story. A true film if you will. Can TF be that? One day maybe. But not now, and frankly it doesn't need that.

[Alan The Rapist]

The anime cartoons are not watchable. I couldn't even stomach Beast Wars. So none of that has anything to do with what I'm talking about. It sells bad looking toys to kids, but I was talking about the comic lines, which are just as serious, in relativity, as the Batman series.

As for TDK, you're taking the comparison too far. I don't expect any superhero/comic movie to do what that did, because Nolan was trying to make it NOT fantastic. Batman and his villians, for the most part, and not super. They're regular people doing amazing things. But they're still people. THings like Superman and Iron Man won't be able to achieve even the tone that TDK had let alone the story complexity. The reason to bring it up is that any comic book can be treated with respect and made into a damn fine movie. Except, like.. Archie. That would blow. But any movie can get either a shitty series (Tim Burton Batman Movies) or an excellent series (Nolan Batman Series). That was the point.

As for cults, I still call bullshit on that claim. The Nolan Batman movies just looked amazing, and that's simply talking about the trailers. They were a known name with an impressive preview, and it brought veiwers in. Bay's TF was nothing but special effects and cliche filler, so of course the trailers were packed with action shots. Aesthetically, to non fans, it looked great. But the movie was shit. And you got a lot of people going to see a movie that wasn't actually about TransFormers at all, because it had big terminators and action scenes. And hot chicks. Had TF had a real story, and characters and acting and stuff, then it'd probably been great. I woulda been thrilled if any of the transformers even looked like the characters they were supposed to be. In that case, it would have been even better. But it's a pretty bad movie, where characters are wrong, like in the shitty He-Man movie, and where the action is blurry and overdone, like in Bay's unwatchable classic "The Island", and where the personas are about as relevent as...well, they just aren't. But I digress...

My point is, if it had been a good movie, as hyped as it was and with a known name like TransFormers, it would have been big regardless. But it was bad, and it was still big, so you got a big reception for a shitty movie. Yay for Hollywood. Maybe they can make three progressively inferior sequels and then wise up and make a good one.

[Kalyx triaD]

I thought it was awesome for a toy/military/car marketing device. Sorry you didn't enjoy it.

[Alan The Rapist]

I thought it was awesome for a toy/military/car marketing device. Sorry you didn't enjoy it.

Oh, I enjoyed it. I hadn't laughed so much at an unintentional comedy in a long time. Being a bad movie doesn't make it unlikeable. Just makes it bad. That's why I brought up Batman in the first place.

[Kalyx triaD]

How did you feel about Cloverfield?

[Alan The Rapist]

How did you feel about Cloverfield?

I was alright with Cloverfield. I wasn't all blown away like a lot of people, but I also didn't get seasick, as some had claimed. Plus, I found myself hoping that the last two people survived at the end, so it did its job in suckering me in. I'm not too big on a whole movie being done first person, but it was alright for what it was.

[Kalyx triaD]

Jessica Lucas was in it. I love her.

[Alan The Rapist]

I don't know who that is, but I recall all of the acting being decent.

[RP]

Transformers 2 : Michael Bay > the God With Robots

[Kalyx triaD]

I don't know who that is, but I recall all of the acting being decent.

She's the dark skinned chick who joined Rob, Hud, and... the chick who blew up.

[Fignuts]

Ha ha, You know what? It always amazes me, but everytime someone says "that was a good movie" and I say "What was good about it?", the answer is always the same: "The special effects were awesome!" Nobody ever says "the story made sense" or "the characters were compelling" or "I just really like cheesy, cheesy movies". You know what was awesome when it came out? Batman. You know what looks like crap now that Batman Begins came out? Batman.

You people are all the same. Every last one of you.

Had this argument like 50 times, so I'm not going to bother anymore. I just feel sorry for you.

That's all I have to say.

[YOUR Hero]

Like Adder, I couldn't care much less about Transformers.

[Jeritron]

Ha ha, You know what? It always amazes me, but everytime someone says "that was a good movie" and I say "What was good about it?", the answer is always the same: "The special effects were awesome!" Nobody ever says "the story made sense" or "the characters were compelling" or "I just really like cheesy, cheesy movies". You know what was awesome when it came out? Batman. You know what looks like crap now that Batman Begins came out? Batman.

Well you're talking out your ass because I think everyone who posts in these forums know that I'm very opinionated about movies, and I can be very hard on movies.
They also know that I hate shitty movies, and special effects or cheesiness are not the determining factors in my enjoyment of a movie. If anything they will make me enjoy it less.

So why, then, did I enjoy Transformers? Are you ready for it? This may be a first for you....it was fun.
And not fun as in "boy there were lots of explosions and the SFX were SICK!1!"
No. I think the characters were fun. The robots weren't as uninteresting as you will claim.
But the highlight of the movie for me was Shia Labeouf and his parents. They entertained me.
There you have it.

[Jeritron]

and there was some wit and situational comedy that I enjoyed. Sure, it's not as smart or original as most of the comedy I enjoy.
It was "cheap", but it was funny. I laughed at some of the bits. One of the first that comes to mind is the song choices on Bumblebee's radio during the scene with Megan Fox.
It wasn't genius, but it was the type of thing I can chuckle at while I sit back enjoy myself in the theater.

The movie wasn't nearly as bad as your run of the mill shitty action flick. It was much better than any other Michael Bay movie.
It was much better than your average comic book movie, or Nicolas Cage/Brendan Fraser/Jason Statham shit.
Better than dance flicks or UFC movies, or the rest of the garbage that comes out.

I see a lot of movies. I hate a lot of movies. I think it's grossly unfair to call this movie "bad" just because it isn't a "great film"

[Kalyx triaD]

http://www2.pic-upload.de/19.05.09/n9crhz.gif

[Alan The Rapist]

Well you're talking out your ass because I think everyone who posts in these forums know that I'm very opinionated about movies, and I can be very hard on movies.
They also know that I hate shitty movies, and special effects or cheesiness are not the determining factors in my enjoyment of a movie. If anything they will make me enjoy it less.

So why, then, did I enjoy Transformers? Are you ready for it? This may be a first for you....it was fun.
And not fun as in "boy there were lots of explosions and the SFX were SICK!1!"
No. I think the characters were fun. The robots weren't as uninteresting as you will claim.
But the highlight of the movie for me was Shia Labeouf and his parents. They entertained me.
There you have it.

I don't think I need to say much more, seeing as the highlight of the movie were the cliche-spouting humans and not, as one might conclude, the TransFormers.

and there was some wit and situational comedy that I enjoyed. Sure, it's not as smart or original as most of the comedy I enjoy.
It was "cheap", but it was funny. I laughed at some of the bits. One of the first that comes to mind is the song choices on Bumblebee's radio during the scene with Megan Fox.
It wasn't genius, but it was the type of thing I can chuckle at while I sit back enjoy myself in the theater.

The movie wasn't nearly as bad as your run of the mill shitty action flick. It was much better than any other Michael Bay movie.
It was much better than your average comic book movie, or Nicolas Cage/Brendan Fraser/Jason Statham shit.
Better than dance flicks or UFC movies, or the rest of the garbage that comes out.

I see a lot of movies. I hate a lot of movies. I think it's grossly unfair to call this movie "bad" just because it isn't a "great film"

Beetlejuice wasn't a "great film". But it was both good and fun. TransFormers was bad. I'm not going to explain, again, that you can like bad movies without needing to defend them as "good" -- hell, I enjoyed Zombie's destruction of "Halloween". Not the way he'd hoped, I'm sure, but I thought it was a riot.

I see a lot of movies, too, and I don't make the "bad" or "great film" cut and dry judgments you might think. But this particular movie was just really bad. :-\

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Why are you guys arguing about opinion? If someone thinks a film is bad then that is their prerogative. I however loved "Transformers". The action was good and not overdone. The acting was decent, but what really got me was the personalities of the transformers themselves, which were really close to the original series.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/396571/exclusive-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-clip.jhtml

[Shadow]

Saw...came....CAN'T WAIT!

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Shadow]

WHY DID YOU BRING ME GERMAN CLIPS!?

though...Megan Fox speaking German strangly...turns me on.

[Kalyx triaD]

Those clips only came in Nazi.

[G]

Watched the leaked screener. Awesome movie. Way better than the first.

[Kalyx triaD]

I was pretty much sold in 1984.

[shadowfoxrz]

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Wheelie reminds me of Rattrap. Oh yeah Beast Wars.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm thinking that was the point, or maybe his accent and stepping on a rattrap was coincidence?

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Reavant]

HAHA!

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

So it is getting bitched slapped like Baird at a gay bar.

The first one sucked as well.

I don't think I'll bother.

I'm waiting for Public Enemies to come out.

[The Destroyer]

I'll bitch slap you.

I might go see this, once I finally get around to seeing the last ten minutes of the first one. Watched it as a in-flight movie back in April and they turned off the entertainment system right before the bloody end. :rant:

[RP]

Transformers 2 : Light Fires Motherfucker!

[RP]

Transformers 2: If That Random Platic Cup Dont Explode, We're Not Making This Fucking Film

[RP]

Transformers 2: We Hate Black Robots

[RP]

Transformers 2 : Pretty Kitty Walking, Walking, Walking, So Cut... BOOOOOOOOOOM!

[RP]

Transformers 2: Rewatch Transformers 1, Only This Time Set Yourself On Fire

[RP]

Transfor BOOOOOM! : ....

[Krimzon7]

Just came back from the movie. It was a romp. Tons of WTF moments, but a good popcorn movie nonetheless. THe booking had everyone looking strong. I hate spoiling shit for people, so I'll leave it vague.

I will say this, for a summer action flick, it was awfully spiritual.

[Legend Killer]

I just got back from Transies 2 and I think I enjoyed it more than I did the first one...So far it is taking so much shit from Rotten Tomatoes. Com, but it definitely does not deserve it. I give it a 7/10. It's humor was Great!

[Krimzon7]

It's humor was hilarious. Definitely a lot of LOL moments.

[ClockShot]

This movie is taking a beating from the critics. Looking back, they enjoyed the first movie over this one.

Perhaps I should reconsider?

[BigDaddyCool]

I just got back from being the biggest transformers fan ever, still don't really want to see this movie.

[loopydate]

It was a lot of fun. The first one was better, but this one accomplished what it set out to. Giant robots kicked the crap out of each other, Megan Fox looked hot, shit blew up...

[Kalyx triaD]

Seeing it this weekend @ Miami, baby.

[Krimzon7]

You will be happy.

[Shadow]

I saw, I came, I need a smoke.

[shadowfoxrz]

Saw it again, love this movie. "I rise, you fall."- EPIC

[deathtrap]

I hated it, overlong

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Roger Ebert needs to eat a dick.

Anyone going into this movie for deep philosophical discussions about how Bay related elements in the movie to the economy, politics, etc, etc., should just leave now (although the Decepticons and Autobots are clearly the Republican/Democrat parties (in no particular order)...I kid, I kid. :shifty: )

I got what I expected. Nostalgia. Giant robots kicking the shit out of each other. Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave (wish we'd have seen more of him though). I am happy, and will most likely see this again.

[Fox]

What a movie. Unbelievable action, jaw-dropping special effects and epic fight sequences. The film is non-stop, and despite being quite long, it was extremely enjoyable all the way through. I'm sitting here trying to figure out if there were any major drawbacks to the movie, but I honestly can't find one besides the fact that it was a bit predictable at the end, but that didn't ruin anything for me.

Only thing I did notice was a background extra who looks directly into the camera at the end of a shot. He and the editor should be taken out and beaten because that was an easy ass fix that they missed in post.

Great movie though. Go see it. And this is coming from a guy who isn't a giant Transformers nerd and didn't really like the first one all that much.

8/10

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah, It was great. Way too long though.

My only gripes (Minor at best)

- Too Long
- Sideswipe kicks ass in the start, and is barely seen again.
- The twins sucked.
- Were there 3 Arcees?
- Too many characters, not enough time for them all

Pros
- Much better story
- Amazing action
- Great fight scenes
- Devastator
- The Decepticons kicked ass
- DEVASTATOR

[Jeritron]

Plot was a huge mess. Kind of dragged and poorly paced.

The humor and action were still amusing though. They made it bearable. It wasn't as good as the first one. It lost a lot of the charm, and overall was more bloated and all over the place.
I still enjoyed myself though. I don't think I really will want to see it again at any point, but I got my moneys worth and it was a positive theater going experience.

[Fox]

Really don't see how the plot was a huge mess. Seemed pretty straight forward to me.

Been reading all these reviews for the film and God, I just had to stop due to all the negativity pouring in. It's like these people watched a completely different movie than I did.

[deathtrap]

The plot really wasn't straight foward

[Hanso Amore]

The plot really wasn't straight foward

How? It was simple as it could be! There were little kids in the theater that got it.

Bad Robots come to destroy earth, good ones try to stop them. Along the way we learn there is more than meets the eye (Intended) to the story.

Pretty fucking simple.

[Fox]

The crystal dagger thing is no different from The Ring in LOTR in that it's the thing that both sides want to gain control over in order to unlock or destroy unimaginable power (that will kill everyone, btw). In fact, it's exactly like LOTR, what with the whole prologue thing featuring the ancient tribes seeing the Fallen building the sun destroyer thing, which matches with the prologue in Fellowship. The fight over the magical object creates a war between opposite sides, in which one person and his friend (Frodo/Sam and Sam//Mikala) must take the object and destroy it admist the chaos. You can even compare Optimus Prime's fall and resurrection to that of Gandalf's in Two Towers.

I mean the plot is pretty basic shit.

[Shadow]

I agree Fox and I'm still not sure why the fuck people are being so negative about it.

Its a war....PEOPLE DIE IN THE WAR!

[Jeritron]

Really don't see how the plot was a huge mess. Seemed pretty straight forward to me.

Been reading all these reviews for the film and God, I just had to stop due to all the negativity pouring in. It's like these people watched a completely different movie than I did.

I didn't give a negative review. I said I enjoyed myself. But yes, I still think the plot was a huge mess.
It's not about whether I got it or no. I obviously got it. It was just evil robots trying to take over the world.
But it was still all over the place. The MacGuffin switched like 4 times in a half hour. First they were looking for the shard, then they were trying to kill Prime, then they were looking for Sam's shard, or were they looking for that at first too? That was never really explained.

Freeing Megatron seemed to happen on a whim. Then Megatron flew to Saturn to report to his master. No explanation for when that relationship began. Then they were back to kill Optimus Prime.

I'm not claiming it was complex or mind-boggling. It was just all over the place. About an hour into the movie I wasn't sure what the conflict was. There was about 5, while at the same time not really having one. There wasn't much motivation behind anything.
It wasn't that it wasn't straightforward, it was that there was far too much going on for it's own good. I guess it was a way to get more robots in there though.

But it's okay. It's a summer action movie. I just think they could have been better off slimming it down. Honestly, Megatron and others served absolutely no purpose to the story other than to carry their own weight that was placed upon the movie.

There were dozens of robots doing all kinds of different things and there wasn't much explanation. Also, didn't really understand why one transfromer could imitate a human being perfectly and was just a henchmen. Why wouldn't they all be doing that?
Doesn't really matter. Just saying.

[Fox]

I didn't give a negative review. I said I enjoyed myself. But yes, I still think the plot was a huge mess.
It's not about whether I got it or no. I obviously got it. It was just evil robots trying to take over the world.
But it was still all over the place. The MacGuffin switched like 4 times in a half hour. First they were looking for the shard, then they were trying to kill Prime, then they were looking for Sam's shard, or were they looking for that at first too? That was never really explained.

Freeing Megatron seemed to happen on a whim. Then Megatron flew to Saturn to report to his master. No explanation for when that relationship began. Then they were back to kill Optimus Prime.

I'm not claiming it was complex or mind-boggling. It was just all over the place. About an hour into the movie I wasn't sure what the conflict was. There was about 5, while at the same time not really having one. There wasn't much motivation behind anything.
It wasn't that it wasn't straightforward, it was that there was far too much going on for it's own good. I guess it was a way to get more robots in there though.

But it's okay. It's a summer action movie. I just think they could have been better off slimming it down. Honestly, Megatron and others served absolutely no purpose to the story other than to carry their own weight that was placed upon the movie.

There were dozens of robots doing all kinds of different things and there wasn't much explanation. Also, didn't really understand why one transfromer could imitate a human being perfectly and was just a henchmen. Why wouldn't they all be doing that?
Doesn't really matter. Just saying.

They needed the shard because it would tell them where to find the matrix key. Sam had the shard and also had the images imprinted in his brain. Decepticons needed to bring Megatron back because he is their leader on Earth, and the Fallen needed him to kill Optimus Prime since attempting the job himself proved too risky, and Prime was the only one who could stop them from starting the sun burster machine. So they get the shard, they kill Prime, things look to be on their way to certain doom with the knowledge of the whereabouts of both the giant sun burster machine and the matrix key in the hands of the Decepticons.

So what if the relationship between Megatron and the Fallen is never explained? Darth Vader and the Emperor meet the same way in Empire Strikes Back, with no explanation to their relationship besides "Master" and "Apprentice." Doesn't take anything away from it.

Really don't see how you could miss what the conflict was, what with all the backstory stuff from Jetfire about The Fallen wanting to destroy Earth. I mean, that's kind of it. The destruction of earth is the conflict.

Maybe you just need to see it again. I mean it sounds like there was too much going on at once for you to get a hold of all the story elements. Sometimes a second viewing can be better since you know most of it to begin with and can pick up the pieces. I say this based on your post and the way you seem to have missed the entire structure of the movie.

As far as the hot chick Decepticon bot and why they don't all take that kind of form, did you see how easily it was destroyed after smashing it into that lamp post? You think Starscream would die that way? No. He wouldn't. I would blow the car up with a rocket.

[Shadow]

Here's how I look at the fact that you've got a tiny scavenger bot looking for the Allspark sliver.

I think they needed the Allspark sliver to bring Megs back to life and settled for the bigger shard when Wheelie couldn't deliver the goods.

[Jeritron]

They needed the shard because it would tell them where to find the matrix key. Sam had the shard and also had the images imprinted in his brain. Decepticons needed to bring Megatron back because he is their leader on Earth, and the Fallen needed him to kill Optimus Prime since attempting the job himself proved too risky, and Prime was the only one who could stop them from starting the sun burster machine. So they get the shard, they kill Prime, things look to be on their way to certain doom with the knowledge of the whereabouts of both the giant sun burster machine and the matrix key in the hands of the Decepticons.

So what if the relationship between Megatron and the Fallen is never explained? Darth Vader and the Emperor meet the same way in Empire Strikes Back, with no explanation to their relationship besides "Master" and "Apprentice." Doesn't take anything away from it.

Really don't see how you could miss what the conflict was, what with all the backstory stuff from Jetfire about The Fallen wanting to destroy Earth. I mean, that's kind of it. The destruction of earth is the conflict.

Maybe you just need to see it again. I mean it sounds like there was too much going on at once for you to get a hold of all the story elements. Sometimes a second viewing can be better since you know most of it to begin with and can pick up the pieces. I say this based on your post and the way you seem to have missed the entire structure of the movie.

As far as the hot chick Decepticon bot and why they don't all take that kind of form, did you see how easily it was destroyed after smashing it into that lamp post? You think Starscream would die that way? No. He wouldn't. I would blow the car up with a rocket.


Here's the thing though. I understand all that. You don't have to explain everything going on. I know what was going on and I know the plot holes aren't really important. It wasn't about it being too hard to figure out. I don't need to see it again because I don't think I don't really want to. I'm sure I'll end up seeing it again on dvd though.

I just found it to be all over the place and far too much going on. Even if those elements are simple and make sense in context, there were still just way too many of them. I chalk it up to making excuses to include too many robots. The simple elements with the humans were the highlight of the first film, and they were this time around as well. Still, I think it was like a big messy sandwich with too much meat on it. Although it might taste great, nobody likes a mess.

I don't think that's a ridiculous conclusion to come to. It's not like this movie had a smooth and flawless plot. I think some people who are more into the layout of a movie than the content would Just my take on the movie. If you think the plot was on target and appropriate then that's great.

[Jeritron]

I agree with you about Megatron and the Fallen mirroring Vader and the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back. I thought of that instantly.

I just felt like it was a tremendously transparent addition. I mean, The Empreror was established from the getgo in A New Hope, and it was made very clear that Vader was underneath him and served a much larger empire that was existing off screen.

That was more of a minor observation than a complaint. It was the fact that he instantly reported to him with no questions asked, as if we were supposed to believe he was there in the first movie.

[RP]

Word cannot describe how horrible this movie was. Seriously.

[SammyG]

I have such a bigger boner for Megan Fox after this movie

[St. Jimmy]

Worst movie of the year so far.

[OssMan]

I loved how they went to the Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC and then ran outside and there were mountains in the background.

[Jeritron]

lol

[D Mac]

Action packed from start to finish.

[Shadow]

I loved how they went to the Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC and then ran outside and there were mountains in the background.

Cept...they weren't. They were in the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy center just on the other side of Dulles Airport. And yes...I squeed.

Cept when they got outside and...there were all those planes out there.

[LuigiD]

I liked the movie.
Lots of plot holes. Am I the only one that thinks that China would never let a team of US troops and robots act in their turf?
But then again, I did not go see this movie for the storyline. I got what I expected...big ass robots fighting one another with explosions left and right. There is better times for serious business, watching Transformers is not the time for it in my opinion.

[Brujesino]

Worst movie of the year so far.

even worse then the wolverine movie?worse then T4?

no way i can see you say it was worse then T4 but no wolverine

[Jeritron]

All 3 were awful in their own ways. At least the crowd was alive at Transformers. That's where I got my entertainment.

[LuigiD]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/29/AR2009062901195.html

Pretty good article.
It addresses the increasing gap between what critics like and what the "people" want.

[Brujesino]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/29/AR2009062901195.html

Pretty good article.
It addresses the increasing gap between what critics like and what the "people" want.

really good read


i never listen to movie critics they are retarded

[BigDaddyCool]

Who is giving BDC money to see this. I don't feel like paying Micheal Bay my own money.

[Kalyx triaD]

At what point after you accept transforming alien robots who speak fluent English do some of you people make realism such an important facet in enjoying a movie?

I fucking loved all of it, perfect summer movie.

[Reavant]

At what point after you except transforming alien robots who speak fluent English do some of you people make realism such an important facet in enjoying a movie?

I fucking loved all of it, perfect summer movie.

Oh my god thank you

[shadowfoxrz]

According to box office mojo, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen made 14.8 million more yesterday. To which i say SUCK THOSE DEVASTATOR BALLS CRITICS!!!

[Shaggy]

LOL people are actually protesting the movie saying that the movie is Racist the way the Twins are depicted.

[Kalyx triaD]

Perhaps they should have members of our own race stop providing the fodder for which these stereotypes are constructed? Just a thought.

Also: one of the Twins were played by a black actor, who was pretty much instrumental in their character. Not Bay's idea, not the writer's idea - the voice actors. So yeah, once again I say, "A little research goes a long way."

[OssMan]

Also the Pentagon is in Arlington, not Washington DC. Too many DC inaccuracies in this film

[OssMan]

Cept...they weren't. They were in the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy center just on the other side of Dulles Airport. And yes...I squeed.

Cept when they got outside and...there were all those planes out there.
Yeah whatever that thing is called. Always just refer to it as the "new" air and space museum

[LaLa]

I Liked it. It was good for what it was supposed to be.

[Shaggy]

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html

That link talks about the plot holes in the film that have been bugging some people...pretty interested read and I noticed and wondered about a few of them but It didnt really take much away from the movie watching experience.

[Kalyx triaD]

Here we go with this 'under the microscope' shit. Bah.

[Blitz]

It kinda sucked. I liked the first one a lot better. This one was wayyyyyyy too long. The light comedy touches from the first one were way overdone here, with the Witwickys in particular being turned into full on hyperactive caricatures.

The acting was...suitable, I suppose. No one goes to a movie like this for nuance. I like Shia LeBeouf, but he's held hostage by a script that doesn't require him so much to act as exist in a state of perpetual panic, which gets annoying. Megan Fox does what is asked of her, which is basically to look hot.

The robot fights were cool, seemed a lot more intricate than the first one. I wanted more of Devestator, The Fallen, and Sideswipe, who I felt had the best designs. But there were way too many bots for me to follow. Feels like they fell victim to Mortal Kombat: Annihilation Syndrome, in which they try to jam in as many characters as they can, resulting in most of them being given short shrift.

Jetfire was probably my favourite part of the whole flick. Really like the idea of the older Autobots, hope it gets explored more in the next sequel. On the flip side, I wanted to murder Mudflap and Skids the second the showed up on screen. I can't believe they actually gave a robot a monkey face and gold tooth. I damn near gave a standing ovation when the one of them got sucked up by Devestator. Then the bastard came back.

It's like a 4/10 for me. The robot battles were cool, everything else, not so much.

[Blitz]

Also didn't need to see John Tuturro's ass in a thong.

[wwe2222]

It was ok...it suffers from what most blockbuster sequels suffer from in they tried to make it too big.

I thought it was too long, parts of the movie could have been cut. I dont follow transformers, but did they just make up the emperor guy?

[Shadow]

Critics right now are scrambling to defend their critism of this movie. Washington Post's style section has that as their main story. I find it hilarious.

[Shadow]

It was ok...it suffers from what most blockbuster sequels suffer from in they tried to make it too big.

I thought it was too long, parts of the movie could have been cut. I dont follow transformers, but did they just make up the emperor guy?

What emperor guy? If you mean the Fallen no. He's a rather important part of the TFmythos.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Fallen

[Kalyx triaD]

It kinda sucked. I liked the first one a lot better. This one was wayyyyyyy too long. The light comedy touches from the first one were way overdone here, with the Witwickys in particular being turned into full on hyperactive caricatures.

The acting was...suitable, I suppose. No one goes to a movie like this for nuance. I like Shia LeBeouf, but he's held hostage by a script that doesn't require him so much to act as exist in a state of perpetual panic, which gets annoying. Megan Fox does what is asked of her, which is basically to look hot.

The robot fights were cool, seemed a lot more intricate than the first one. I wanted more of Devestator, The Fallen, and Sideswipe, who I felt had the best designs. But there were way too many bots for me to follow. Feels like they fell victim to Mortal Kombat: Annihilation Syndrome, in which they try to jam in as many characters as they can, resulting in most of them being given short shrift.

Jetfire was probably my favourite part of the whole flick. Really like the idea of the older Autobots, hope it gets explored more in the next sequel. On the flip side, I wanted to murder Mudflap and Skids the second the showed up on screen. I can't believe they actually gave a robot a monkey face and gold tooth. I damn near gave a standing ovation when the one of them got sucked up by Devestator. Then the bastard came back.

It's like a 4/10 for me. The robot battles were cool, everything else, not so much.

Dude, the movie was four minutes(+/-) longer than the first...

'Fuck sake, what the critics pull out of their ass. And you I like.

[Blitz]

Alright, then it just felt like an eternity.

[Kalyx triaD]

Better.

[loopydate]

I'm with you, Blitz. It felt considerably longer than the first one, actual runtime notwithstanding.

[Hanso Amore]

This movie starst with the mega action at 15 seconds in. I think that is why it felt so long. It comes out swinging, lulls, then hits you hard again.

[Hanso Amore]

Andyour face melts with robot fighting action!

[Shadow]

And then Optimus Prime shows up asking for your melted face.

[Reavant]

For a lot of the people complaining about this movie I have to say, be careful what you wish for. I say this because many people who are complaining now said after the first one that there needs to be more action, and there was a constant cry for seeing more robots. Well, the creators of the movie DELIVERED! So for anyone who is saying there isnt any character development or this movie makes no sense and doesnt follow anything just STOP IT! People made the complaints and the studio listened and corrected the complaints from the first movie. I wish I could find the original Transformers thread from 2 years ago and find the people who made those complaints to throw them in their face but I cant.

Can we please not forget that this movie is about robots. Robots that fight. What do you think your going to get? Do you expect to sit in the theater and see a love story? Do you think that your eyes are going to feast on acadamy award winning acting? Were you expecting to have your mere existance transcended to a realm of enlightenment when meagan fox was running through explosions and she had not a speck of dirt on her?

There was no sub meaning or plot to the cartoons either which is fine considering the plot in the cartoons never made that much sense either in the grand scheme of things, they would just throw and idea out there and play with it for 20 minutes. Take it for what it is.

I read a review where someone was bitching about how devisdator was created by all these other transformers and then you see the same transformers looking for sam while devisdator was scaling the pyramid, and to that I have to say watch the movie again you unobservant prick... theres a reason that the devisdator toy didnt have the separate parts turn into individual robots, because the machines used to make devisdator in the movie never transformed into their own robot to begin with, but rather transformed into the fusion that in devisdator. The clones of those vehicles or the actual transformer robot versions of those vehicles were what was seen running after sam. So those of you gribing about the toy picks of devisdator that kalyx posted, there you go as well.

In terms of how the scenes dont really go together in terms of scenery, to the studios defense half the movie was shot before the writers strike so to understand why they went from washington dc to a big open field, there you go.

Another thing for the fan boys is that the creator still stayed true to transformers with the robot girl seeing how in the toyline there was pretender transformers that went from humans to robots, and the mini transformers that ravage spews out were the micro masters.

Whats funny is the directors and the studio listen to the fans and then the fans bitch at what they get.

[Reavant]

and if i sound like a spaz i appologize.... see I just went through another surgery and ive been sitting around for a week with nothing to do and or whatever reason this got under my skin

[Kalyx triaD]

Reavant tells it like it is.

[Shaggy]

Obvious from my previous posts I have been reading into the plot holes in the movie. Before someone jumps my case its not that I have anything against the film...its simply because I figured some people would have support and reasons behind some of these plot holes in defending them.

In my search I came across the answer to one plot hole that some people were wondering about...

I got this little tidbit from a response to someones complaint on a message board.

If only a prime can kill a prime....then how the hell does Megatron and his goons kill Optimus if Optimus and The Fallen are the last two primes?

Answer: Optimus didnt die....in the novel it states that Optimus didnt die and went into a system shut down mode. The system shut down mode was to allow Prime to heal but the healing would have took a few hundred if not more years to get him back online. Thats why Sam needed to retrieve the Matrix....to speed up the healing.

[Kalyx triaD]

I never considered novelizations canon, personally.

My alternate explanation (read: better :)) states that Megatron is a Prime decedent just like Optimus (they are brothers). So Megatron is perfectly capable of taking out Optimus (as per the Primes kill Primes concept). Also, consider that the Primes are the first, and most powerful, of the Transformer race. It would seem that older Transformers had more power in general (Fallen and Jetfire, TFs from the past, can teleport). So I'd say the only person closet to beating Fallen would be Optimus by default - a naturally stronger TF due to his Prime lineage. And, just being abstract here, Megatron as well (I wouldn't put the action past him either).

[Shaggy]

A question that jumped in my head this morning....and maybe its been mentioned or perhaps answered in the movie and I just dont remember...

If there was only a small group of Primes...and The Fallen betrayed them and the rest of them gave their lives to form a tomb over the matrix...Where did Optimus come from?

[Hanso Amore]

A question that jumped in my head this morning....and maybe its been mentioned or perhaps answered in the movie and I just dont remember...

If there was only a small group of Primes...and The Fallen betrayed them and the rest of them gave their lives to form a tomb over the matrix...Where did Optimus come from?

Bitch was already Pregnant, a la Terminator.

BAM!

[Shaggy]

lol

[Kalyx triaD]

A question that jumped in my head this morning....and maybe its been mentioned or perhaps answered in the movie and I just dont remember...

If there was only a small group of Primes...and The Fallen betrayed them and the rest of them gave their lives to form a tomb over the matrix...Where did Optimus come from?

Could have a been a protoform (child) who carried on the legacy. Good question, though.

[Shadow]

Or he could've been the only remaining Prime at the time on Cybertron.

That explains alot don't it?

[Kalyx triaD]

Well I don't think Optimus or Megatron is that old. Relatively speaking, I know they're really old by our standards.

[Fox]

I kind of interpreted The Fallen's comment about "only a Prime can defeat me" as "only a super bad ass can defeat me, and Optimus Prime is the biggest bad ass of them all." He's not willing to take the risk to expose himself to a Prime (since they are badasses) and possibly get killed.

The only reason I say this is because we never saw any proof that a regular Autobot couldn't injure or fight against The Fallen. Yeah, we saw him come down and fuck their world up, but we never saw a true physcal inability to attack him. And all Optimus did was shoot him and then cut his head off.


As far as where Optimus came from, I kind of figure that the greater power (the Allspark, Vector Sigma, Primus, whatever you want to call it) realized that The Fallen was the only Prime left, so it created Optimus to even the odds.

[Kalyx triaD]

That can work, but I think Fallen would end any other Autobot fairly easily. The Autobots seen Megatron in the first movie and they retreated (except for poor Jazz). If Megatron strike's fear like that, I imagine The Fallen is that much worse.

[Gertner]

Saw the movie last night. Didn't really like it at all.

[G]

Watched a downloaded copy last night. I enjoyed it. Can't wait to watch it on DVD.

[road doggy dogg]

Watched tonight, sick movieeeee. Didn't even realize how long it was 'til I left the theatre and it was like 1am lol. I guess that's a good thing, didn't really feel dragged out or nothin'.

"Give me your FACE!" is prolly my favourite line from the movie. Yes.
crossrine

[Fox]

Punk ass, Decepticons.

[Shadow]

According to recent reports, in the month the movie's been open, it's reached $600,000,000 in the Box Office.

[Hanso Amore]

Know what I just thought of?

Wasnt the NEst a multinational task force?

So how does the POTUS just shut that shit down, without consent of the other nations>?

[Kalyx triaD]

Good observation, but what Obama says goes.

[Fox]

Know what I just thought of?

Wasnt the NEst a multinational task force?

So how does the POTUS just shut that shit down, without consent of the other nations>?

National Guard not withstanding, which of the US Military branches ISN'T multi-national?

[Hanso Amore]

National Guard not withstanding, which of the US Military branches ISN'T multi-national?

None of them are.

But they do at times take part in Task forces, which are under control by an independent body comprised of the nations involved.

Like, Obama couldnt pull the plug on a UN peacekeeping mission...he couldpull his troops out, but not shut it down.

So if the Nest was truly a multinational group, he would have no power.

[Fox]

I'm pretty sure NEST is American forces. What makes you think they're part of the UN?

[Kalyx triaD]

They have soldiers from other countries. Like Cybertron.

[Hanso Amore]

I'm pretty sure NEST is American forces. What makes you think they're part of the UN?

Prime says it is multinational.

They have the British Special Forces.

[Sting Fan]

Saw this the other night, much better than I expected after reading a few fan reviews.

The fight scene at the end dragged a little IMO and then The Fallen vs. Prime fight was almost anti climactic by comparision. But overall a good film I thought.

I will buy it on DVD.

[Dorkchop]

It was ok. I thought there was too much emphasis on Shia the Beef and Hottie McHotterson's "I love you" storyline. I enjoyed it, but probably won't watch it again unless a friend wanted to watch it on DVD.

Some parts were really cool like the construction bots. I was hoping the Autobots would have have similar bots to battle with it. Oh well.

[Cool King]

I made the odd decision to watch Transformers 2, even though I've never seen the first one. Mostly because my friend really wanted to go see it and he wanted some friends to go with him.

To me, some parts were a bit "What the fuck? :wtf:". Like when Sam is in what appears to be Transformer Heaven or something and the Gods talk to him and he comes back to life or some crap like that.

But I thought it was pretty decent. Though you could hardly see what was going on during the fights because you just saw alot of metal moving about so you couldn't really make out how the Transformers were fighting. :-\

[Jon Kano]

I thought the film was pretty awesome and did answer the demands the audience made after the first one...

Few things I did not like or question.....

- Why didn't Sam and co just use that bit of the allspark they already had to bring Optimus back to life instead of that Jetfire dickhead?

- Scorponok - Jesus, he survived a film only to come back for those few seconds, poor show.

- The dream/death sequence when Sam met the Primes above, eh, really wasn't needed, found it cringe worthy.


Overall I liked it.

[Hanso Amore]

The all AllSpark just gave Jetfire the power of the Transformer again...he had faded way over time and loss of energon...the Allspark just infuses things with Energon.

Prime was dead, and the Matrix is all that can give life.

Bam

[Shadow]

Pretty much what Hanso said. Prime wasn't in stasis lock, he was dead. As in doornail. The only thing bringing him back was something that had a lot of power.

[Jon Kano]

Ah that's bullshit, the allspark had the ability to take life in the first film on Megatron, so surely give life too?

And I swear in the film the said the matrix is made of the same shit the allspark was anyway?

Still, good film.

[Gerard]

I enjoyed the movie, idnt seem to be as much in close superblurobullshit and tons more action. Just found it weird that they bring back scorponok but barricade is still mia from the first movie.

My one "wtf" point would have to be devestator..really what did it do? lets see:

1. Was made to look very vulnerable by 2 midget autobots.

2. Waddled up a pyramid while taking half an hour to do so.

3. Hads its balls ridiculed by the comic relief actor of the movie.

3. Slapped some pyramid blocks away before getting raped with 1 shot.


:wtf:

I thought it would have played more of a part like getting involved in the big battle but if 2 midgets gave it so much hassle it probably would have just been cannon fodder in a larger scale battle. Seems to have been put in the movie mainly for extra eye candy as it really didnt do anything besides transform then get raped. Yeah it uncovered the weapon in the pyramid but considering the power the fallen was wielding sucking in jets and tanks id imagine he would have been able to uncover it fairly easily as well.


And why is it the toy version actually stands on 2 legs while the movie version is on all fours? Probably would have looked more intimidating if it were standing upright.

[Hanso Amore]

This would have been way better

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/millies-movie-house/115841d1247250792-transformers-revenge-fallen-transformers-devastator.jpg

[Jon Kano]

Barricade is still out there?

Sweet I loved him. No, really, I did.

[Gerard]

Barricade is still out there?

Sweet I loved him. No, really, I did.

:shifty:

Well the story is that someone fucked up in the editing process of the first movie, after prime killed off bonecrusher barricade was meant to come in and start off another battle. That would explain why prime was late to the end battle with the dramatic entrance.

Bays never confirmed or denied that to my knowledge but barricade was enroute to the final battle and was with bonecrusher on the highway just prior to prime killing bonecrusher.

I don't really see why barricade would keep prime fighting long anyway considering the speed that bonecrusher was whipped, a much larger decepticon than barricade. That and even bumblebee was able to dispose of barricade easy enough earlier in the movie.

[Gerard]

This would have been way better

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/millies-movie-house/115841d1247250792-transformers-revenge-fallen-transformers-devastator.jpg

Looks more imposiing ill say that much, the movie version just had too many colours meshed together. Wasn't untill the eyes lit up that you could make out where the face was.

[Jon Kano]

:shifty:

Well the story is that someone fucked up in the editing process of the first movie, after prime killed off bonecrusher barricade was meant to come in and start off another battle. That would explain why prime was late to the end battle with the dramatic entrance.

Bays never confirmed or denied that to my knowledge but barricade was enroute to the final battle and was with bonecrusher on the highway just prior to prime killing bonecrusher.

I don't really see why barricade would keep prime fighting long anyway considering the speed that bonecrusher was whipped, a much larger decepticon than barricade. That and even bumblebee was able to dispose of barricade easy enough earlier in the movie.

WOW I never knew that, thats pretty awesome though they can use him maybe for the next one?

[Kalyx triaD]

That one shot that killed Devastator? That was a Rail Gun. Known in various fiction to OWN.

[Gerard]

That one shot that killed Devastator? That was a Rail Gun. Known in various fiction to OWN.

Yes it was but at the same time a 1 hit kill is pretty shit no matter what way you slice it. Devestator had a good transformation sequence and that was it, nothing but eyecandy for the rest of its appearence.

[Kalyx triaD]

Good chance that eye candy was the point of the matter. And he 'cocked' the pyramid for Fallen.

[Gerard]

And he 'cocked' the pyramid for Fallen.

True but given the power that the fallen was wielding by being able to take down multiple jets and tanks etc it probably wasn't even that necessary for devestator to be there at all.

Just seems they could have given it a far better role than it had, its like they made the decision to have it in the movie then realised they couldnt have it in the large scale battle due mainly to rendering time being increased ten fold. So this pyramid gun bs is pulled out of nowhere.

[Kalyx triaD]

I see, but really: Devastator was always a reason to... devastate things.

[Jon Kano]

He devastated a perfectly constructed pyramid. Not to mention a lot of people's expectations. That's enough.

[Kalyx triaD]

This movie is currently the 10th highest grossing movie of all time. Might take ninth in a few.

[Fox]

True but given the power that the fallen was wielding by being able to take down multiple jets and tanks etc it probably wasn't even that necessary for devestator to be there at all.

Just seems they could have given it a far better role than it had, its like they made the decision to have it in the movie then realised they couldnt have it in the large scale battle due mainly to rendering time being increased ten fold. So this pyramid gun bs is pulled out of nowhere.

Pulled out of nowhere?

The whole movie is about the Decepticons trying to unleash this huge, hidden power that they can't find. They find it and send in Devastator, a giant wrecking machine with tornado suction action, to uncover it. They then have Devastator get destroyed in pretty badass fashion with a deadly military weapon. Pretty awesome if you ask me.

In addition to that is the story about Agent Simmons, a fallen government official, now working for his mother, and his own rising from a great fall. He goes from deli worker to the guy who calls in the hit on Devastator, which is his minor-character story arc, also important to the story as it follows the theme of "rising up."

As far as the Fallen not needing him, I think the whole point was that the Fallen was biding his time to show up, making his minions do the dirty work for him. It's not like Hitler was killing the Jews himself; he had others do it for him. Same thing here. But when it came time to grasp the power, the Fallen wanted to be the one to do it.

[Shadow]

....did you just compare the Fallen to Hitler?