YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES (RAW spoilers)

[Innovator]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES



CM PUNK CM PUNK CM PUNK

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PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK

[Innovator]

CM PUNK IS THE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION

[Johnny Vegas]

LOL that shit is still fucking with me

[JH]

i think you meant HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Xero]

LOL, holy shit. Just read it on PWInsider.

Now, the question is...

"How and when, not if, will Creative fuck this up?"

[MCEazy]

Holy shit I just saw this (15 min delay in canada), fuken crazy, I'm not a huge Punk mark, but a world heavyweight champ not named edge batista or undertaker? Pure awesomeness, but here's hoping this isn't a mysterio-like title reign.

[Heros Welcome]

PUNK IS WORLD CHAMPION!!!!

WOW, I'm still going crazy!

[ron the dial]

oh glorious day!

[ron the dial]

and such a smooth way to take it lol

[Xero]

Now what would be the reaction if this happened but instead of Punk's music, we hear...

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[MCEazy]

Now what would be the reaction if this happened but instead of Punk's music, we hear...

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*vomits violently*

[Xero]

Or, even more horrifying:

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[MCEazy]

http://diskret33.hautetfort.com/images/thumb_suicide.jpg

[Nark Order]

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[FourFifty]

PUNK OVER BITCHTITS!!!!!!

[Rob]

LOL, holy shit. Just read it on PWInsider.

Now, the question is...

"How and when, not if, will Creative fuck this up?"

The fucked up the second they put the belt on him.

Months too early. He's been a total bitch since he won the title shot. Build momentum for fuck sake.

[McLegend]

Two things are gonna happen here.

1) Losses the tittle to Batista at the next PPV.

2) Has like a 6 month title reign. Gonna be a good one to.

[FourFifty]

He's been a total bitch since he won the title shot. Build momentum for fuck sake.

Wait a second, are we talking about Edge, who won a major title the same way, with no build up or story line, TWICE, or CM Punk?

[Rob]

No way is he getting a 6 month reign. 2 month absolutely top whack. Probably lose it in 2 weeks.

[Rob]

Wait a second, are we talking about Edge, who won a major title the same way, with no build up or story line, TWICE, or CM Punk?

Edge was winning matches before he won the belt. He was a very credible star. CM Punk has been doing clean jobs to Chuck Palumbo. Isn't even a comparison.

[Rob]

Edge was also the IC champion going into the show where he cashed the money in the bank case and had TWO title shot oppotunities that year.

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

They did an awful job building Punk from MITB to now, but I gotta admit, I'm more interested in WWE now than I have been since WM 2004.

[Innovator]

buzzkill

[thedamndest]

Agreed with Rob, too soon. Maybe it wouldn't have been if he hadn't lost every televised match for the last four months.

[Heros Welcome]

From a kayfabe standpoint, in the end does it matter what his win lose record is? He has a guaranteed title shot no matter what his win lose record is. Plus he said he will keep a close eye on all title situations and cash in at the most opportune time...I don't even know why I am bothering defending this, because I really could care less what people think of what happened...

C M PUNK IS CHAMPION! This is the most I have marked out since Jericho returned and I am happy.

[Shadow]

I loved the whole "Pick up the pace Lillian...pick up the pace bitch."

[Better Than You]

So happy :D

[Dorkchop]

I loved the whole "Pick up the pace Lillian...pick up the pace bitch."

I noticed that too and loved it. It's something small, but made the moment a little awesomer.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think it is too early for Punk. If the man were winning every match before he cashed in, it'd be obvious when it was coming. Punk cashing in like he did was quite the shocking moment. Also, I don't think your average mark, or smark, for that matter, really cares about CM Punk's win-loss record. The man has been going over John Morrison and The Miz when they wrestle, and has been winning tag team matches when he's with top stars. Everyone remembers he won the Money in the Bank Ladder Match, and he pinned the current World Heavyweight Champion and most hated heel in the WWE to win the title. Plus, he also went over JBL.

But mark my words -- this is just a way to keep CM Punk down. :shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

By the way, did you hear that piped in pop when Punk won? :shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Edge was also the IC champion going into the show where he cashed the money in the bank case and had TWO title shot oppotunities that year.

Actually, I don't think Edge was the IC Champion. Wasn't Flair the champion, and Edge was challenging?

[Fox]

Y'know, as someone who paid $40 to watch Night of Champions last night, and chose NOT to watch RAW tonight, I would have very much appreciated seeing Punk cash in his Money in the Bank contract on the PPV. You know, the one that I paid to see.

Fucking WWE.

[Fox]

Also, here's for a Punk heel turn so we can see Punk vs. Michaels at Summerslam.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm actually hoping for John Cena to turn heel and feud with Punk. I know it is unlikely that the WWE would turn Punk, but something for WrestleMania could be very cool.

[Heros Welcome]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/Superstars/bio/7559814

Looks good in my sig, but thought I should throw it out to all. Plus is makes the thread look that much better.

[Rammsteinmad]

I wouldn't mind a Cm Punk / Chris Jericho feud for the title. :D

[Rammsteinmad]

Also that's a cool picture of Punk except for his smile lol.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

WWE World Champion: CM PUnk
TNA Champ: Samoa Joe
WWE Women's Champ: Mickie James
NOAH GHC Heavyweight Title: Takeshi Morishima
TNA Tag champs L.A.X (Homicide)

ROH Alumni fucking represent!

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Also, not building him may not be bad. IF they use this to get him over as a mega face, only to pull the carpet out from under the fans and turn him, letting him go back to his asshole straight edge character. They could do it perfectly to, just do it slowly.

[Xero]

CM Punk, rocking the cardboard nameplate.

[owenbrown]

lol that is a fucked up nameplate.

[Mister Sinister]

Edge was also the IC champion going into the show where he cashed the money in the bank case and had TWO title shot oppotunities that year.

No, Edge wasn't the IC Champion going in, Edge last IC Title Reign ended when he got injured in the Summer of 2004, Ric Flair was the Intercontinental Champion who was Edge first opponent that faithful night he cashed in.

He also only had one title shot, before he cashed in when he won the Gold Rush Tournament.

But you were right, Edge was built up alot better then Punk was, while Edge per say wasn't billed as a threat to the WWE Championship (He should of been if they were crediting Masters and Carlito as being contenders for it) He was mostly being built up as a Solid Mid Card Guy.

RVD was the same way honestly, with the Exception of Edge's second MITB Cash In, Everyone leading up to it was nothing more then a Midcarder thrusted into the Main Event.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm thinking that it is just a temporary nameplate until they get a nice looking one for him. At least, I hope it is. You can tell that Punk is genuinely excited about having the big gold belt, too. Good for him.

WWKD already pointed out that ROH has a lot of champions representing out there (the big three being the top champions of the WWE, TNA and NOAH), but looking within the WWE: CM Punk is World Heavyweight Champion, Kofi Kingston is IC Champion, Mark Henry is ECW Champion, Matt Hardy is US Champion, John Morrison and The Miz are WWE Tag Team Champions; that's a lot of ECW representatives holding WWE belts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No, Edge wasn't the IC Champion going in, Edge last IC Title Reign ended when he got injured in the Summer of 2004, Ric Flair was the Intercontinental Champion who was Edge first opponent that faithful night he cashed in.

He also only had one title shot, before he cashed in when he won the Gold Rush Tournament.

But you were right, Edge was built up alot better then Punk was, while Edge per say wasn't billed as a threat to the WWE Championship (He should of been if they were crediting Masters and Carlito as being contenders for it) He was mostly being built up as a Solid Mid Card Guy.

RVD was the same way honestly, with the Exception of Edge's second MITB Cash In, Everyone leading up to it was nothing more then a Midcarder thrusted into the Main Event.

In late 2004, Edge and Chris Benoit did both pin Triple H in a match, which led to the World Heavyweight Championship being vacated (which The Game won right back in an Elimination Chamber, fuck I hated Triple H's schemes to get his World Title count up). I agree with your general point, but I think the specifics are out. I'm sure Edge would have received other title shots, too. I don't think it really matters. Paul London wrestled for the WWE Championship in his first WWE match. That doesn't make him a credible threat to the WWE Title now, sadly.

You have to keep in mind that CM Punk is a former ECW Champion, too. Sure, the belt is obviously behind the World Heavyweight Title and WWE Title, and it's had some questionable champions and a lot of guys have won the belt as their first major championship, which has led to its status being contested, but to the average fan, that would rank higher than being IC Champion or US Champion. And they'd probably consider it a valid World Title.

To a lot of people, this would actually be CM Punk's second run with a World Title. It's not exactly breaking the ice with the guy.

[Mister Sinister]

You're right, I forgot about the Triple Threat.

However once upon a time, the ECW Title was considered one of the Big Three Titles, however it has dropped since then, and alot of people consider it the same as a Second-Tier Championship.

I'm not trying to diss on Punk because I love him, but He has pretty much been a mid-card guy breaking into the Main Event.

Also, You need to change your sig to include my new name into the group Noid.

[Juan]

I don't think it is too early for Punk. If the man were winning every match before he cashed in, it'd be obvious when it was coming. Punk cashing in like he did was quite the shocking moment. Also, I don't think your average mark, or smark, for that matter, really cares about CM Punk's win-loss record. The man has been going over John Morrison and The Miz when they wrestle, and has been winning tag team matches when he's with top stars. Everyone remembers he won the Money in the Bank Ladder Match, and he pinned the current World Heavyweight Champion and most hated heel in the WWE to win the title. Plus, he also went over JBL.

But mark my words -- this is just a way to keep CM Punk down. :shifty:

100% agree

[Rob]

From a kayfabe standpoint, in the end does it matter what his win lose record is? He has a guaranteed title shot no matter what his win lose record is. Plus he said he will keep a close eye on all title situations and cash in at the most opportune time...I don't even know why I am bothering defending this, because I really could care less what people think of what happened...

C M PUNK IS CHAMPION! This is the most I have marked out since Jericho returned and I am happy.

What?

It makes no sense that he would beat the best guy in the company when he has been on the losing streak to end all streaks. Kayfabe stand point? Do you have any clue what you're taking about?

Bottom line, whether people care or not is that every champions needs to be big business and they might as well just stuck the title on Lance Cade or someone else with a better push.

I said they should have been building Punk ages ago. I'm not a great fan of his but he has X factor and the people like him. When the people like someone, he should be pushed. Not doing this ruined far too many good business calls - Jericho and RVD pushes/burials for example.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Wait, doesn't this mean by proxy, that Chavo would also be a credible world champ, since he beat Punk for the ECW title?

[The MAC]

no build up, transitional champion at best.Cena will be champ very soon.

[Rob]

He also only had one title shot, before he cashed in when he won the Gold Rush Tournament.


Gold Rush and Money In The Bank. How many title shots is this?

And Edge wasn't loosing clean the Charlie Haas and Val Venis for months leading to his title win.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Gold Rush and Money In The Bank. How many title shots is this?

And Edge wasn't loosing clean the Charlie Haas and Val Venis for months leading to his title win.

Neither was CM Punk. ;)

I get what you're saying about Punk being built up. It would be super cool if he could have won the World Title in a similar way to Stone Cold Steve Austin. I don't think the way that Punk won was "bad," though. Especially given that he is Mr. Money in the Bank. When you hold that title opportunity, going over in a sneak attack is the best way to do it. The fans marked out when Punk cashed in the shot, and it created a moment that lots of people are calling the best on RAW in a long time.

Marks will eat up anything the WWE throws at them. If John Cena and JBL didn't sink the WWE as WWE Champion, I doubt CM Punk will as World Heavyweight Champion. Let's just see how the ratings go before we start calling this a failure and a misfire. With the big gold belt, that he lost to Chavo Guerrero won't matter. Fans will see him giving JBL the GTS and think "Wow! CM Punk has become awesome!" even if they didn't think it before hand (which a lot of them would). Besides, by bringing the World Heavyweight Title to RAW, CM Punk is RAW's redeemer. He has brought them a World Title when John Cena and Batista couldn't. SmackDown! fans are also going to love him for taking the belt off Edge.

Smarks really couldn't give a fuck about how Punk was built heading into the match. It's CM fucking Punk with the fucking World Title! I appreciate the intellect you are trying to bring to the situation, Rob, but I think you are in a very small minority analysing the situation as much as you are. I actually think it is a very fast and efficient way to get CM Punk to fill the spot on RAW that was left with Triple H leaving for SmackDown!.

I'm curious as to see whether or not this will effect ratings. I'm not going to call CM Punk a draw, or anything, but it's something different, much like Edge ending John Cena's reign for the first time was, and that spiked ratings for a bit, didn't it?

[Mr. Nerfect]

It makes no sense that he would beat the best guy in the company when he has been on the losing streak to end all streaks. Kayfabe stand point? Do you have any clue what you're taking about?

Bottom line, whether people care or not is that every champions needs to be big business and they might as well just stuck the title on Lance Cade or someone else with a better push.

I love you, Rob, I hope you know that, but I have to side with Heros Welcomes here. From a kayfabe standpoint, your wins and losses do matter (more than they actually do from a political standpoint), but while holding Money in the Bank, who the fuck cares that you lost via disqualification to MVP? The whole purpose of the briefcase is that you can cash in whenever you want. After Edge had been beaten down by Batista, there was no reason to think that Punk was in over his head.

Punk's losing streak hasn't even been that bad. The guy's been winning some, too.

Your big business point is more valid, except that I think you are underestimating just how much people care about CM Punk at the moment. Not saying he will draw lots of money for the company, but I doubt it'd be worse than JBL as WWE Champion, for example. The guy was seen as an upper mid-carder at the very worst. Yes, even when losing to guys like Chavo Guerrero and Chuck Palumbo. Those moves were intended more to elevate Guerrero and Palumbo than lower Punk.

Punk has also arguably been at that level for a long enough time to finally get the nudge up. The man has never looked anything short of credible since signing with the WWE.

[Rob]

It's gonna hurt Punk in the long run.

[Rob]

I love you, Rob, I hope you know that, but I have to side with Heros Welcomes here. From a kayfabe standpoint, your wins and losses do matter (more than they actually do from a political standpoint), but while holding Money in the Bank, who the fuck cares that you lost via disqualification to MVP? The whole purpose of the briefcase is that you can cash in whenever you want. After Edge had been beaten down by Batista, there was no reason to think that Punk was in over his head.

Punk's losing streak hasn't even been that bad. The guy's been winning some, too.

Your big business point is more valid, except that I think you are underestimating just how much people care about CM Punk at the moment. Not saying he will draw lots of money for the company, but I doubt it'd be worse than JBL as WWE Champion, for example. The guy was seen as an upper mid-carder at the very worst. Yes, even when losing to guys like Chavo Guerrero and Chuck Palumbo. Those moves were intended more to elevate Guerrero and Palumbo than lower Punk.

Punk has also arguably been at that level for a long enough time to finally get the nudge up. The man has never looked anything short of credible since signing with the WWE.

I think wins and losses mean a hell of a lot more when the idea is you are meant to spend money to watch the champion. If they didn't, put the belt on Jamie Noble or someone.

[Hanso Amore]

Im Noid. Most marks cant tell you who Beat who three months ago. They live in the now.

The WWE did a great job of putting Punk over last night IMHO, and those Smarks loved it. He Brought a title to raw, beat the guy making fun of JR in OK. and beat the guy that took Cena out.

Punk is the god of Kids right now. He is also over with alot of smarks, so they have it all nailed.

Now I agree they will fuck this up, and ruin Punk, but last night was good stuff.

[Jeritron]

You people bitch about everything. You get your wishes and complain they're not done right. Watch the show or don't

[Dave Youell]

This whole thing reminds me of when Bret won the title out of nowhere in 92. I loved it then, and I love this now, it's a great way to make an instant main eventer, he's over, he can work and he can talk.

It's a way to get the IWC back into the WWE product, which in turn can generate more viewers, if that happens, we might be seeing more of what we want and less of what we don't.

I don't see him having the title for long though, potentially every main guy they have on the card could beat him one on one and it wouldn't be a shock, however, this could be the undercard champion that Rey Mysterio wished he could of been. As long as he's not overcomming the odds at the scale of Cena that is.

Rather than over analysis what could/would and should happen, I'm just going to enjoy this moment right now, this is the first time one of the 'our guys' won the belt since Benoit, as in someone who the IWC championed for years, weather he has it for a day or a year, I will always remember feeding my little boy at 4am, switching Raw on to see the overun and hearing Lillian Garcia introducing the NEW World Heavyweight Champion to take on JBL, I then put my baby to sleep, went downstairs and watched the whole thing on Sky Plus, the only other time I've been that compelled to do something like that was the return of Y2J, nothing else had made me want to stay up for RAW

[Londoner]

The fucked up the second they put the belt on him.

Months too early. He's been a total bitch since he won the title shot. Build momentum for fuck sake.

I was gonna say that to. I missed raw but woke up and saw the last match and was shocked to see Punk as the world champ,. but thought 'wtf? they could've built him up properly and they do this? stupid booking' but if you look at it from another angle, its good cause its a bit more shocking.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

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[KingofOldSchool]

I thought the situation was perfect, here was Edge, who used the MiTB briefcase at the most opportunistic times, getting a dose of his own medicine.

This is more than I ever thought WWE would push him.


Jeff Hardy is killing himself right about now as that could have been him.

[Dave Youell]

I thought the situation was perfect, here was Edge, who used the MiTB briefcase at the most opportunistic times, getting a dose of his own medicine.

This is more than I ever thought WWE would push him.


Jeff Hardy is killing himself right about now as that could have been him.

There's hope for Jeff, he could always win the title off Smackdown from........

Oh well nevermind

[RP]

If the guy cant keep Maria, i truely doubt he manages to keep this belt for more then a couple weeks.

[The Mackem]

PUNK IS NOT COMING OUT

[The Mackem]

Punk's not coming out, deal.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>So ecstatic. :love:

Anyway, I'm thinking that Batista will be the one who takes the belt off Punk down the line...jealousy that Punk actually was the one to beat Edge and that Bats did all the work. Batista wins the title and the mandatory rematch, and we get Cena winning the Rumble again, and there's your WM main event I guess.</font>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk's not coming out, deal.

:D

Punk is a World Heavyweight Champion and got to bone Maria. He beats me if lifetime achievement poker and takes all the chips.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's also a bit of a masterstroke having CM Punk win the World Title in Oklahoma. If Punk were a politician, he'd probably do better in blue states more so than red. This helps Punk connect to the southern audience a bit more (championing Jim Ross and all).

[Innovator]

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[Loose Cannon]

Alright, here's my thoughts on the matter. I thought it was incredible watching it last night. The whole program was a great show. Up and Down the entire program. It was a nice breath of fresh air. But don't expect it to last long folks.

Anyway, back to Punk. Like I said, very cool segment. I do agree with Rob on certain points. I actually think Punk should of won the Title a while ago. He had more momentum back then. Last night he kind of acted like a heel. Coming in when Batista already did all the work and then jumping up and down saying hurry up and ring the bell. Like he didn't want to even give Edge a fight. Little odd for a babyface. Really, the whole win was cheap and I do wish he could of won it in a match on PPV.

But like someone else said, this is 2008. Belts are worth a crap. Nothing is built anymore. Everything is rushed. And most things are done for the now. It's terrible and not the way to build a show, but it's realistic. So in saying that, Punks win was fun. It came off great on live TV. I thought they did a good job of saving his win from being cheap by having him beat JBL at the end of the show.

How long will his run last? It will end at Summerslam, if not sooner. It definately does not look like they are positioning him as a long term champ.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, I sorta thought it was heelish on Punk's part...but then again in this situation I think it worked because it was Edge, who won the belt twice in the same manner so it was all coming back to bite him in the ass. If it was some other random heel though it'd prolly feel like "eh".

At first I was thinking we'd see a build to a Cena/JBL/Punk 3-way, but after Cryme Tyme's random intervention...I dunno, maybe we'll see JBL side up with DiBiase and Rhodes, the "best squad money can buy" or something. It'll be a temp feud obviously, only running till GAB.

This would free Punk up to have a proper match with Edge at the PPV...even though they are on different shows, you have to almighty former champion's rematch clause as a tailor-made excuse. But then again I'm not sure who HHH would feud with in the interim.

I'm just really interested in seeing how this all plays out.</font>

[Jeritron]

I think it's a great way to do it by the way. It comes out of nowhere but it makes a big impact, it's a splash.

By the way, I think it's because WWE is really desperate to make a change and turn the corner with new talent. Look at the champions other than HHH. They have Hogan and Warrior stars in Cena and Batista but at the same time WWE is probably looking for a face who is over among other fans, someone who's more of an HBK or Bret like star.

Could he have been built up better? Yea sure but in any situation things can be better. It's not like everyone is gonna get the 2 year IC title reign and then the Rumble win and title win in the main event at Mania.
I think it's great. All that matters is that they make him a main eventer now, he was already ECW champion and MITB, thats really no different than if they had thrown the IC belt on him for a year. He's over as fuck and this is just a launching pad

[Jeritron]

Even if he's a transitional champion who gives a fuck. Mick Foley was a transitional champion. So was Bret at first. Edge started out as one too.
Once you've won the title the first time management is much more likely to put it back on you at some point when a change is needed rather than risk someone new.
Even if he exists as a transitional champion, or takes a while to break out of that role, he's still a made man and in the main event for the forseeable future.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I am really feeling heel turns for John Cena and Batista. Don't ask me why, but CM Punk having to defend the belt against them, Chris Jericho, Randy Orton, Kane and maybe William Regal would make for some pretty sweet storylines.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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:rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

But seriously, if I were ROH, I'd be putting out "The Best of CM Punk in ROH" and "The Best of Samoa Joe in ROH" DVD sets, even if they include some of the same matches.

[Loose Cannon]

I am really feeling heel turns for John Cena and Batista. Don't ask me why, but CM Punk having to defend the belt against them, Chris Jericho, Randy Orton, Kane and maybe William Regal would make for some pretty sweet storylines.

I see Batista turning and beating Punk at some point. Summerslam like I said. But the rest I cannot see. They desperately need a top heel and a Batista/Cena program is looming

I'm almost believing the reason they gave Punk the Title last night was to get the title on Raw in the most sufficient way as to not make Edge look bad and to get a World Title on Raw. It was a quick out for them. Batista kicks the shit out of Edge and Punk finishes it. This allows thier flagship show to get their World Title back and allows Edge to move into a feud with Trips.

I just don't see Punk lasting long at all and his reign is going to be filled with Cena/Batista in the mixture. I just hope they don't make him look like an ass. i.e. make him look like a weakling compared to the others. Unfortunately, I see the Chris Benoit treatment ahead for this short title run.

[Innovator]

They have like 3 volumes of best of Punk

[Innovator]

I see Batista turning and beating Punk at some point. Summerslam like I said. But the rest I cannot see. They desperately need a top heel and a Batista/Cena program is looming

I'm almost believing the reason they gave Punk the Title last night was to get the title on Raw in the most sufficient way as to not make Edge look bad and to get a World Title on Raw. It was a quick out for them. Batista kicks the shit out of Edge and Punk finishes it. This allows thier flagship show to get their World Title back and allows Edge to move into a feud with Trips.

I just don't see Punk lasting long at all and his reign is going to be filled with Cena/Batista in the mixture. I just hope they don't make him look like an ass. i.e. make him look like a weakling compared to the others. Unfortunately, I see the Chris Benoit treatment ahead for this short title run.
I thought Batista might run down and interfere in the main event, costing Punk the title...anyways as long as he doesn't get Rey Rey'd, it's all good. Having Rey and Cena come out and congratulate him gave him a good rub, hopefully he'll keep interacting with the established mains

[KingofOldSchool]

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[Hanso Amore]

Honestly, I would love to see Bats slowly fucking snap out of jealousy, destroy punk, and let them have a PPV or 2 program. Hell, give the guy a break, build it to Survivor Series. Bats wins the title there, and Cena wants some, but Bats keeps ducking him. Cena Wins the rumble, and there would be a decent WM 25 Main Event if they did it right.

I honestly think Bats as a heel will work very well, and could really make a change for the WWE.

I am just shocked they did this, with all the "heat" on Punk.

[Hanso Amore]

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AHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHH

Fuck joe!

[Innovator]

Punk still has nuclear heat

[James Steele]

:rofl: @ that cartoon with Punk & Joe.

I am very happy with CM Punk winning the World Heavyweight Championship. I think WWE will use this as a shock-tv moment to try and help ratings as well as establish the new blood on RAW. This could be an important night in the long run, as this could be the 1st night of a "new era" in RAW (and WWE). Cena/Bats is inevitable, but you need established stars to help build up the new guys like CM Punk and Kofi.

[James Steele]

You people bitch about everything. You get your wishes and complain they're not done right. Watch the show or don't


:y::y::y::yes::yes:

[Team Sheep]

I don't see why people need to get so wound up about the whole 'Punk not being built up' shit. It was just an excuse to get the title back on Raw. He'll lose it at either the GAB or Summerslam tops, and won't be remembered again. It just signifies the beauty of money in the bank, anyone can win. No guy necessarily needs any build to perform their finisher on a weakened guy and then get the pin.

In a normal situation I probably would be a bit pissed at this booking, but it's just a more exciting way of getting the belt back on Raw, and garners more interest than we would have had if Batista or Cena won on Sunday. That would have been the easy option.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They have like 3 volumes of best of Punk

That is true, but they should put that shit in stores.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I see Batista turning and beating Punk at some point. Summerslam like I said. But the rest I cannot see. They desperately need a top heel and a Batista/Cena program is looming

I'm almost believing the reason they gave Punk the Title last night was to get the title on Raw in the most sufficient way as to not make Edge look bad and to get a World Title on Raw. It was a quick out for them. Batista kicks the shit out of Edge and Punk finishes it. This allows thier flagship show to get their World Title back and allows Edge to move into a feud with Trips.

I just don't see Punk lasting long at all and his reign is going to be filled with Cena/Batista in the mixture. I just hope they don't make him look like an ass. i.e. make him look like a weakling compared to the others. Unfortunately, I see the Chris Benoit treatment ahead for this short title run.

You may be very right, but I think people are setting their expectations a little low with Punk winning the World Heavyweight Title. I guess the upside to that is that it's very easy to meet low expecations.

I just don't understand why they didn't just move the belt at Night of Champions if they didn't want to make a big deal out of the Punk thing. I mean, I think the switch was done on RAW to create a RAW moment, something I think the WWE really waned to do with this. If the ratings don't drop, and if the fans are vocally into Punk as WHC, I think the WWE will keep the belt on him for a while.

Batista vs. Cena may happen, but it could happen away from the World Heavyweight Title, or it could be put off until WrestleMania, or something.

[Johnny Vegas]

3/4 of me enjoys the CM Punk victory because it was one of those moments involving people that i like (if Jeff Hardy were to win the title like this last night from Edge, the roof would've came off...which would've been perfect with Edge and Jeff's bro Matt having a history) and 1/4 i liked it because i knew that HHH/Edge is right around the corner and will probably be one of the best fueds of the year, probably the past 5 years.

[Johnny Vegas]

What just made it so fucking hot was how long it took Lilian to announce the match. Like this definitely was not planned AT ALL. I just knew somewhere between her announcing and Punk getting the GTS off that someone would interfere or something. Man, what a RAW..haven't been this excited since Jericho's return.

[Mr. Nerfect]

3/4 of me enjoys the CM Punk victory because it was one of those moments involving people that i like (if Jeff Hardy were to win the title like this last night from Edge, the roof would've came off...which would've been perfect with Edge and Jeff's bro Matt having a history) and 1/4 i liked it because i knew that HHH/Edge is right around the corner and will probably be one of the best fueds of the year, probably the past 5 years.

What I'd have liked more than Jeff Hardy cashing in Money in the Bank: Matt Hardy slides into the ring, gives the referee Jeff's briefcase, and explains something to the referee. Matt hits the Twist of Fate on Edge, and pins him.

Jeff Hardy explains later that night that he allowed Matt to take the shot at Edge, because they are brothers, Matt has always been there for him, and he got a lot more personal satisfaction out of the moment. Jeff would like the shot Matt agreed to give him in exchange for being allowed to take the moment. Matt Hardy then hits Jeff Hardy with the World Heavyweight Title, and does a complete heel turn.

[Innovator]

15 hours later...AND CM PUNK IS STILL THE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION

[Heros Welcome]

Wait..it wasn't a dream!? PUNK IS CHAMPION!!

[Rob]

You dream about CM Punk?

[The CyNick]

<font color=goldenrod>So ecstatic. :love:

Anyway, I'm thinking that Batista will be the one who takes the belt off Punk down the line...jealousy that Punk actually was the one to beat Edge and that Bats did all the work. Batista wins the title and the mandatory rematch, and we get Cena winning the Rumble again, and there's your WM main event I guess.</font>

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I watched that segment.

They have been talking about turning Batista, this would be a great way. However, I thought it would be Batista at the end helping him keep the title. Which would be like Batista is basically his bigger buddy saving his title reign. Would suck for Punk, but I dont think he's the long term champion, so it doesn't matter.

The way RAW ended, it made me think they will do Cena vs Punk vs JBL, and I dont think Punk comes out of that with the title.

Great show though IMO.

[Xero]

It was a dream.

Next Monday John Cena's going to wake up and it's going to be like nothing has happened since he lost the championship and it's going to be like he was never injured.

[Jeritron]

I really don't think the situation is that much different than Bret winning the title for the first time.
It was random and out of nowhere, and he really wasn't a bonafide top guy until later title wins.
But I think the timing and reasoning is similar. Like Bret, I think Punk is chosen to get a impromptu push to the stars to shake things up and get a new fresh face in the main event scene, to inject some unpredictablity and youth into the title scene. I also think it's part of a new generation of main eventers.

I don't think it's any coincidence that Raw has shaken up everything and now has no signs of veterans other than HBK who works a reduced schedule and never holds any titles. They've gone the full mile by ushering in a new lead commentator, pushing very young stars to their midcard and tag team titles and it only seems natural to have new blood at the top as well.
With the departure of HHH, the top level of Raw is finally on it's own as a new generation. I don't think it's a coincidence that Cena, Orton and Batista are together on the flagship brand. Instead of using veterans as a crutch I think they've just accepted them as the present and are putting young stars in there with them.

[Heros Welcome]

You dream about CM Punk?

Yeah rob every night....

[Hanso Amore]

If they wanted an easy way to get a title on Raw, Bats would have won. There is something more to this, so maybe it is a New "New Generation"

[Jeritron]

Thats what I was saying

[Londoner]

LOL@that cm punk/Joe pic


But yeah, i agree jeritron, for once it seems i'm really hyped to see what happens next week. Maybe the really low ratings finally woke Vince up.

[Volare]

Oh Come on!!! I thought it was about Cena with Cryme Time!!
















Pfffft F*** that...Punk owned the night.

[addy2hotty]

I fast forwarded through his interview, I fast forwarded through his match with JBL.

That's pretty much how I'll treat his reign.

Punk as WHC and Kingston as IC champ on the A-show. I guess they really do want people to turn over to SD. Can't think of a time they had more underwhelming champions on Raw.

[JT]

I fast forwarded through his interview, I fast forwarded through his match with JBL.

That's pretty much how I'll treat his reign.

Punk as WHC and Kingston as IC champ on the A-show. I guess they really do want people to turn over to SD. Can't think of a time they had more underwhelming champions on Raw.

:foc:

[Fox]

The reason why I think this CM Punk as World Champion angle could work is because of all of the competition he has to deal with now that he is "the man" on RAW. There's John Cena, JBL, Chris Jericho, Lance Cade, and HBK and Orton when they return. He already defeated JBL last night, who is a former WWE Champion and WrestleMania main eventer, so they're at least putting more stock in him than they did with Mysterio.

Let's just see where the next few weeks take us with Punk. He's a good poster boy for the WWE right now with all of the steroid and drug shit just beginning to fall into the background. He's a great worker, he can talk, and programs against the aforementioned RAW talents would be fresh.

Punk is the goods with me.

[Innovator]

If you don't like it, go make a thread titled NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

No negative Nancies in here

[Hanso Amore]

Nancy Benoit was Negative, and you see how that ended.

[Jeritron]

I think it would be wise to have him a fighting champion, but let him keep it a while, like Shawn Michaels original run. That long might be wishful thinking, but still a decent run could be a good thing for everyone.

First and foremost, it will create a new star.

Secondly, as a rookie champion and a smaller guy, he'll likely be an underdog, plus many probably expect him to lose it shortly. By defending it often, including on free tv, but without dropping it, it becomes a ratings draw. Maybe not a huge one, but by defending a title people actually think might change hands it means something.

Title matches mean nothing now because they're only on PPV and nobody expects them to change hands. When they do it can be seen coming from a mile and a half away. The same 3 or 4 dudes always hold it, and it takes until one of the big 4 ppvs or the 5th rematch until something gives. This is a big problem, and a champion who people want to see retain but worry may not is a draw. Also, a champion like him can go against a variety of opponents instead of a pool of 3. Like HBK in 96, he can defend against a new legit threat every month, instead of the repetition we see in the past 5 years. See the Attitude era.

Thirdly, everyones probably expecting him to lose as an underdog but if he keeps cheating defeat and somehow picking up clean victories against legit contenders he eventually becomes an overdog, and you have a fresh new star who is quickly over enough to put someone else over when he finally ends his first run.

[Juan]

We finally get some freshness on Raw and not something we could've seen coming a mile away and people still aren't happy. I was on another board and some people there are already saying that Punk is the worst champ ever. Give it time ffs.

[Destor]

I fucking hate TPWW sometimes.

[Juan]

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[Innovator]

Over 36 hours later....CM PUNK STILL WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION

and whats the official tally now? CM Punk WHC Teddy Hart 0

[Fox]

Punk needs a new finish and a catch phrase.

[JT]

Punk needs a new finish and a catch phrase.

Something around the lines of the Pepsi Plunge and with the catchphrase "I'm better then you!" :shifty:

Yep, came up with that all by myself...copyright and all. :shifty:

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Pepsi Plunge = Horrible Finisher.... I'm sorry, I never liked it. To easy to look shitty, to hard to set up. Great as a rare move, but finisher's shouldn't have intricate backup. A good finisher should come out of nowhere.

He needs to start using the Anaconda Vice again.

[The Franchise]

Hi...just gotta second everyone who thinks Punk vs Batista should be his first feud as champion. I think it's pretty amazing that Punk is already World Heavyweight Champion, within two years of joining the WWE and most of the IWC thinking he would be mishandled and buried to hell. How many wrestlers have won the WWE title this fast in their careers? Orton, Lesnar, Angle and Austin? That's a hell of a list of names to be apart of.

[Xero]

Austin doesn't belong on that list. He had been in the big three since 91 or so. And Orton isn't exactly one to celebrate, at least for his first reign...

[The Franchise]

Sorry, I meant The Rock. I just mean that of the guys listed who have won the title so soon in their careers, all of them have been very successful in the WWE and have had the company behind them their whole careers. That's a good sign for Punk. The Rock and Kurt Angle don't need any explanation and neither does Lesnar since it was he who fucked it all up, as for Orton, I agree his first reign was bad but despite his numerous fuck-ups the company still kept pushing him and had faith in him. Although that was partially for the whole "third-generation" thing Vince has a hard-on for. None the less, I'm happy for Punk and think he has a great future in the WWE.

[Fox]

When Orton returns, he needs to join up with Ted Dibiase and Cody Rhodes and make a new stable.

Orton and the Next Generation vs. CM Punk feud would be amazing.

[blake639raw]

The thing about Punk's reign is though, he shouldn't lose it immediately. I mean, obviously, he won't hold it as long as HHH, Cena, Batista, ect. However, one thing that is refreshing about him as champ is that this is the first time in forever where somebody just randomly won the title. Punk might now draw at first, but it's one of those reigns where it will get better with each defense hopefully. Everybody thinks he will lose with each defense, but he will keep overcoming the odds, and people will be surprised every time he retains, and tune in to see him week after week. In other words, I'm not sure if it was the best idea or not at this point, but if it's handled right, it could possibly work.

[blake639raw]

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[Loose Cannon]

When Orton returns, he needs to join up with Ted Dibiase and Cody Rhodes and make a new stable.

Orton and the Next Generation vs. CM Punk feud would be amazing.

I agree. would be very fresh. It's a sweet situation right now. Getting Trips our of there was seriously the best thing they could of done. Not that I hate him or anything, but he's been there for sooooo long.

[Dave Youell]

I can’t remember the last time I felt this uplifted by the WWE product and dare I say, excited about seeing TV next week!

[lort]

Punk/Regal title feud please.

Well if Punk has the title when Regal returns.

[KingofOldSchool]

I just put the World Title on Punk in Smackdown vs. Raw 08 and his title win celebration was almost the same celebration he had on Raw.