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Old 06-30-2008, 09:24 PM   #1
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:31 PM   #2
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LOL, holy shit. Just read it on PWInsider.

Now, the question is...

"How and when, not if, will Creative fuck this up?"
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LOL, holy shit. Just read it on PWInsider.

Now, the question is...

"How and when, not if, will Creative fuck this up?"
The fucked up the second they put the belt on him.

Months too early. He's been a total bitch since he won the title shot. Build momentum for fuck sake.
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He's been a total bitch since he won the title shot. Build momentum for fuck sake.
Wait a second, are we talking about Edge, who won a major title the same way, with no build up or story line, TWICE, or CM Punk?
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Wait a second, are we talking about Edge, who won a major title the same way, with no build up or story line, TWICE, or CM Punk?
Edge was winning matches before he won the belt. He was a very credible star. CM Punk has been doing clean jobs to Chuck Palumbo. Isn't even a comparison.
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The fucked up the second they put the belt on him.

Months too early. He's been a total bitch since he won the title shot. Build momentum for fuck sake.
I was gonna say that to. I missed raw but woke up and saw the last match and was shocked to see Punk as the world champ,. but thought 'wtf? they could've built him up properly and they do this? stupid booking' but if you look at it from another angle, its good cause its a bit more shocking.
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Holy shit I just saw this (15 min delay in canada), fuken crazy, I'm not a huge Punk mark, but a world heavyweight champ not named edge batista or undertaker? Pure awesomeness, but here's hoping this isn't a mysterio-like title reign.
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Now what would be the reaction if this happened but instead of Punk's music, we hear...
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Two things are gonna happen here.

1) Losses the tittle to Batista at the next PPV.

2) Has like a 6 month title reign. Gonna be a good one to.
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No way is he getting a 6 month reign. 2 month absolutely top whack. Probably lose it in 2 weeks.
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Edge was also the IC champion going into the show where he cashed the money in the bank case and had TWO title shot oppotunities that year.
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Edge was also the IC champion going into the show where he cashed the money in the bank case and had TWO title shot oppotunities that year.
Actually, I don't think Edge was the IC Champion. Wasn't Flair the champion, and Edge was challenging?
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Edge was also the IC champion going into the show where he cashed the money in the bank case and had TWO title shot oppotunities that year.
No, Edge wasn't the IC Champion going in, Edge last IC Title Reign ended when he got injured in the Summer of 2004, Ric Flair was the Intercontinental Champion who was Edge first opponent that faithful night he cashed in.

He also only had one title shot, before he cashed in when he won the Gold Rush Tournament.

But you were right, Edge was built up alot better then Punk was, while Edge per say wasn't billed as a threat to the WWE Championship (He should of been if they were crediting Masters and Carlito as being contenders for it) He was mostly being built up as a Solid Mid Card Guy.

RVD was the same way honestly, with the Exception of Edge's second MITB Cash In, Everyone leading up to it was nothing more then a Midcarder thrusted into the Main Event.
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No, Edge wasn't the IC Champion going in, Edge last IC Title Reign ended when he got injured in the Summer of 2004, Ric Flair was the Intercontinental Champion who was Edge first opponent that faithful night he cashed in.

He also only had one title shot, before he cashed in when he won the Gold Rush Tournament.

But you were right, Edge was built up alot better then Punk was, while Edge per say wasn't billed as a threat to the WWE Championship (He should of been if they were crediting Masters and Carlito as being contenders for it) He was mostly being built up as a Solid Mid Card Guy.

RVD was the same way honestly, with the Exception of Edge's second MITB Cash In, Everyone leading up to it was nothing more then a Midcarder thrusted into the Main Event.
In late 2004, Edge and Chris Benoit did both pin Triple H in a match, which led to the World Heavyweight Championship being vacated (which The Game won right back in an Elimination Chamber, fuck I hated Triple H's schemes to get his World Title count up). I agree with your general point, but I think the specifics are out. I'm sure Edge would have received other title shots, too. I don't think it really matters. Paul London wrestled for the WWE Championship in his first WWE match. That doesn't make him a credible threat to the WWE Title now, sadly.

You have to keep in mind that CM Punk is a former ECW Champion, too. Sure, the belt is obviously behind the World Heavyweight Title and WWE Title, and it's had some questionable champions and a lot of guys have won the belt as their first major championship, which has led to its status being contested, but to the average fan, that would rank higher than being IC Champion or US Champion. And they'd probably consider it a valid World Title.

To a lot of people, this would actually be CM Punk's second run with a World Title. It's not exactly breaking the ice with the guy.
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He also only had one title shot, before he cashed in when he won the Gold Rush Tournament.
Gold Rush and Money In The Bank. How many title shots is this?

And Edge wasn't loosing clean the Charlie Haas and Val Venis for months leading to his title win.
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Gold Rush and Money In The Bank. How many title shots is this?

And Edge wasn't loosing clean the Charlie Haas and Val Venis for months leading to his title win.
Neither was CM Punk.

I get what you're saying about Punk being built up. It would be super cool if he could have won the World Title in a similar way to Stone Cold Steve Austin. I don't think the way that Punk won was "bad," though. Especially given that he is Mr. Money in the Bank. When you hold that title opportunity, going over in a sneak attack is the best way to do it. The fans marked out when Punk cashed in the shot, and it created a moment that lots of people are calling the best on RAW in a long time.

Marks will eat up anything the WWE throws at them. If John Cena and JBL didn't sink the WWE as WWE Champion, I doubt CM Punk will as World Heavyweight Champion. Let's just see how the ratings go before we start calling this a failure and a misfire. With the big gold belt, that he lost to Chavo Guerrero won't matter. Fans will see him giving JBL the GTS and think "Wow! CM Punk has become awesome!" even if they didn't think it before hand (which a lot of them would). Besides, by bringing the World Heavyweight Title to RAW, CM Punk is RAW's redeemer. He has brought them a World Title when John Cena and Batista couldn't. SmackDown! fans are also going to love him for taking the belt off Edge.

Smarks really couldn't give a fuck about how Punk was built heading into the match. It's CM fucking Punk with the fucking World Title! I appreciate the intellect you are trying to bring to the situation, Rob, but I think you are in a very small minority analysing the situation as much as you are. I actually think it is a very fast and efficient way to get CM Punk to fill the spot on RAW that was left with Triple H leaving for SmackDown!.

I'm curious as to see whether or not this will effect ratings. I'm not going to call CM Punk a draw, or anything, but it's something different, much like Edge ending John Cena's reign for the first time was, and that spiked ratings for a bit, didn't it?
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Agreed with Rob, too soon. Maybe it wouldn't have been if he hadn't lost every televised match for the last four months.
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From a kayfabe standpoint, in the end does it matter what his win lose record is? He has a guaranteed title shot no matter what his win lose record is. Plus he said he will keep a close eye on all title situations and cash in at the most opportune time...I don't even know why I am bothering defending this, because I really could care less what people think of what happened...

C M PUNK IS CHAMPION! This is the most I have marked out since Jericho returned and I am happy.
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From a kayfabe standpoint, in the end does it matter what his win lose record is? He has a guaranteed title shot no matter what his win lose record is. Plus he said he will keep a close eye on all title situations and cash in at the most opportune time...I don't even know why I am bothering defending this, because I really could care less what people think of what happened...

C M PUNK IS CHAMPION! This is the most I have marked out since Jericho returned and I am happy.
What?

It makes no sense that he would beat the best guy in the company when he has been on the losing streak to end all streaks. Kayfabe stand point? Do you have any clue what you're taking about?

Bottom line, whether people care or not is that every champions needs to be big business and they might as well just stuck the title on Lance Cade or someone else with a better push.

I said they should have been building Punk ages ago. I'm not a great fan of his but he has X factor and the people like him. When the people like someone, he should be pushed. Not doing this ruined far too many good business calls - Jericho and RVD pushes/burials for example.
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It makes no sense that he would beat the best guy in the company when he has been on the losing streak to end all streaks. Kayfabe stand point? Do you have any clue what you're taking about?

Bottom line, whether people care or not is that every champions needs to be big business and they might as well just stuck the title on Lance Cade or someone else with a better push.
I love you, Rob, I hope you know that, but I have to side with Heros Welcomes here. From a kayfabe standpoint, your wins and losses do matter (more than they actually do from a political standpoint), but while holding Money in the Bank, who the fuck cares that you lost via disqualification to MVP? The whole purpose of the briefcase is that you can cash in whenever you want. After Edge had been beaten down by Batista, there was no reason to think that Punk was in over his head.

Punk's losing streak hasn't even been that bad. The guy's been winning some, too.

Your big business point is more valid, except that I think you are underestimating just how much people care about CM Punk at the moment. Not saying he will draw lots of money for the company, but I doubt it'd be worse than JBL as WWE Champion, for example. The guy was seen as an upper mid-carder at the very worst. Yes, even when losing to guys like Chavo Guerrero and Chuck Palumbo. Those moves were intended more to elevate Guerrero and Palumbo than lower Punk.

Punk has also arguably been at that level for a long enough time to finally get the nudge up. The man has never looked anything short of credible since signing with the WWE.
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I love you, Rob, I hope you know that, but I have to side with Heros Welcomes here. From a kayfabe standpoint, your wins and losses do matter (more than they actually do from a political standpoint), but while holding Money in the Bank, who the fuck cares that you lost via disqualification to MVP? The whole purpose of the briefcase is that you can cash in whenever you want. After Edge had been beaten down by Batista, there was no reason to think that Punk was in over his head.

Punk's losing streak hasn't even been that bad. The guy's been winning some, too.

Your big business point is more valid, except that I think you are underestimating just how much people care about CM Punk at the moment. Not saying he will draw lots of money for the company, but I doubt it'd be worse than JBL as WWE Champion, for example. The guy was seen as an upper mid-carder at the very worst. Yes, even when losing to guys like Chavo Guerrero and Chuck Palumbo. Those moves were intended more to elevate Guerrero and Palumbo than lower Punk.

Punk has also arguably been at that level for a long enough time to finally get the nudge up. The man has never looked anything short of credible since signing with the WWE.
I think wins and losses mean a hell of a lot more when the idea is you are meant to spend money to watch the champion. If they didn't, put the belt on Jamie Noble or someone.
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I noticed that too and loved it. It's something small, but made the moment a little awesomer.
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I don't think it is too early for Punk. If the man were winning every match before he cashed in, it'd be obvious when it was coming. Punk cashing in like he did was quite the shocking moment. Also, I don't think your average mark, or smark, for that matter, really cares about CM Punk's win-loss record. The man has been going over John Morrison and The Miz when they wrestle, and has been winning tag team matches when he's with top stars. Everyone remembers he won the Money in the Bank Ladder Match, and he pinned the current World Heavyweight Champion and most hated heel in the WWE to win the title. Plus, he also went over JBL.

But mark my words -- this is just a way to keep CM Punk down.
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I don't think it is too early for Punk. If the man were winning every match before he cashed in, it'd be obvious when it was coming. Punk cashing in like he did was quite the shocking moment. Also, I don't think your average mark, or smark, for that matter, really cares about CM Punk's win-loss record. The man has been going over John Morrison and The Miz when they wrestle, and has been winning tag team matches when he's with top stars. Everyone remembers he won the Money in the Bank Ladder Match, and he pinned the current World Heavyweight Champion and most hated heel in the WWE to win the title. Plus, he also went over JBL.

But mark my words -- this is just a way to keep CM Punk down.
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