Sony's "Greatest Hits" collection...

[Kane Knight]

So Sony announced ten games would be the first line of "Greatest Hits" for the PS3. Anyway, I noticed that most of these hits are ones that have had price breaks on the 360 for a while. Only three of the games (Resistance, Motorstorm, Warhawk) are true exclusives, and I know I've seen a lot of the other seven marked down on the 360. Not to mention, Motorstorm's one of the pack-in titles on several versions of the PS3 console.

Which is great if you own only a PS3, but I kind of have to wonder what's going on here. Games like NFS Carbon and Fight Night Round 3 don't strike me as good candidates for a current "Greatest Hits" Lineup.

This isn't a "LOL Sony sucks" thread, But it seems like if you're a multiplatform owner and cost was an issue, you'd probably have gone for the 360 versions in comparison. Plus, it lacks Uncharted and Heavenly Sword (The former being awesome, and the second being a game I think would see a lot more love if it was, you know, cheaper). It just seems like they could put out a stronger list as further incentive to sell people on the PS3. I'd be prone to buy a few more games based on little more than a price cut, I'm sure, as I've done with the 360.

But really, CoD3? 4's been out a while and they still didn't feel a price break was prudent until E3?

[U-Warrior]

How the hell is uncharted not on there? Until MGS 4, it was the best exclusive they had.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

It's probably still selling at full price...

[Kane Knight]

It's probably still selling at full price...

I wonder how well, though. The PS3 has a pretty miserable attach rate, so you'd think cutting prices on their games would help sell systems.

I know generally Greatest Hits titles on any system are done after the games have stopped selling, but I mean, some of these are ridiculously overdue in the first place. Not to mention the need to boost sales. Aside from that, I really do have to wonder how well things are selling to justify it at full price.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I retract that, it's not even in the top 30 UK PS3 charts, and there are some one year old games in there

Fuck knows why it's not in there.

[Kane Knight]

That's pretty terrible.

Uncharted is worth full price, but it's hard to justify full price for a game that old to the general market.

[D Mac]

LOL Sony sucks

[Kane Knight]

I knew some tard was gonna say that. Go back to your Linkin Park. :foc:

[Xero]

Sony's fucked everything up this round and will come out on the bottom, which is a shame.

[Kane Knight]

Depends on what you mean by bottom. Worst position, or market share? Because I'm pretty sure Nintendo, despite the best hardware sales, will end up in the weakest position.

[Xero]

I feel Nintendo's casual direction will more than make up for it being the weakest position and push it to #2. They have what both Sony and Microsoft want, but Microsoft has the more traditional crowd, which is why I don't see it dropping from the top.

The only thing Sony has going for them is the Blu-Ray integration and thus the larger the game (in terms of size). They did take a huge hit in losing the FFXIII exclusive, and I feel that was the game that's sealed their fate.

[Kane Knight]

Except the casual crowd doesn't buy games. Well, they do, but not many. That's going to seriously hurt them. Developers don't like the Wii in the first place, and so while they may come out on top selling to the casual market, it doesn't help them for the next gen, and doesn't necessarily help them this gen, either.

Though I think Sony's Hardware is gonna fuck them. They're talking about a 10 year plan, and with a slow BD Drive and memory issues, the hardware's gonna suck in the long game, unless they give us options to upgrade. Because in that ten years, we'll see a new XBox, which will probably have comparable or better hardware with a faster, cheaper, BD drive. Nintendo will probably be in the backseat, barring some new shiny gimmick to hide their bad decisions behind.

[DaveWadding]

Nintendo will probably be in the backseat, barring some new shiny gimmick to hide their bad decisions behind.

Virtual Reality? :shifty:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/VIRTUAL_BOY_sistem.png/614px-VIRTUAL_BOY_sistem.png

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I dunno about the Wii. It's selling games. When I was looking through the charts, the top 12 games were all available on Nintendo and a lot of those were exclusives. Plus when you factor in they're the only one of the three making a profit on every system sold and they really are onto a massive winner.

3 1 WII FIT NINTENDO NINTENDO NINTENDO
2 2 WALL-E HELIXE PLAY THQ THQ
6 3 MARIO KART WII NINTENDO NINTENDO NINTENDO
11 4 GUITAR HERO: ON TOUR VICARIOUS VISIONS REDOCTANE ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
1 5 LEGO INDIANA JONES: ORIGINAL ADVENTURES TRAVELLER'S TALES LUCASARTS LUCASARTS
4 6 WII PLAY NINTENDO NINTENDO NINTENDO
7 7 MARIO & SONIC AT THE OLYMPIC GAMES SEGA SEGA SEGA
5 8 SUPER SMASH BROS: BRAWL SORA LTD NINTENDO NINTENDO
16 9 DR KAWASHIMA'S BRAIN TRAINING NINTENDO NINTENDO NINTENDO
9 10 BIG BEACH SPORTS HB STUDIOS PLAY THQ THQ
15 11 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK NEVERSOFT REDOCTANE ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
10 12 KUNG FU PANDA VICARIOUS VISIONS ACTIVISION ACTIVISION BLIZZARD

[Kane Knight]

Which charts?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

UK All-Format

[darkpower]

The PS3 is killing everything in Japan, so that may keep Sony going if they ever need a immediate savior. As for the US and UK, the PS3 is catching up pretty quick. The landscape of the install base situation could change drastically by the end of this year if you take to heart the NPD sales figures, which seem to be having the 360 and the PS3 in a statistical dead heat in monthly sales for a while now.

There's definitely a requirement system in place for a game to be a Greatest Hit, though I'm only knowledgeable of two requirements that they consider (there could be more or these could be the only two). One is, of course, the sales. The other, I've heard, is the amount of time the game has been out since the game was first published. Not sure about the exact time frame they require, but I believe I heard somewhere in the vicinity of 6 months to a year. Uncharted and COD4 (and Heavenly Sword, even though I'm not quite sure of the exact month that was published) could fail by the time window, even if it has enough by sales figures to qualify.

[jcmoorehead]

In the UK it supposedly requires 400,000 copies to be sold worldwide for it to get onto the Platinum Range which is our version of Greatest Hits. Uncharted is actually on our list so I don't know if sales do factor into it over in the states.

[Kane Knight]

The PS3 is killing everything in Japan, so that may keep Sony going if they ever need a immediate savior. As for the US and UK, the PS3 is catching up pretty quick.


LOL to both.

Sony's not "catching up pretty quick." With the boost from MGS IV, they've managed to get a short term boost, but most months, their lead has not been impressive, nor enough to actually catch up to anyone. But this is a lie that's already been addressed, and you tried to change the topic.

The PS3 is lucky when it gets even half the Wii's sales in Japan, so if you want to pretend it's "killing everything" you're lying to someone, and probably just yourself. Most months, it is outsold by the Wii by a ratio of nearly 4:1, which is a larger margin than the PS3 outsells the 360.

Also, Uncharted has been out for 9 months, so it doesn't qualify for "failure," We're talking CoD 3, not 4, and HS has been out longer.

Now, you can say "But I said 6 months to a YEAR," But that doesn't mesh with more recent or concurrent games being released. By release date alone, your claims fail. If there's a time restriction, it applies to neither HS not UDF, as there are games on the list which came out at the same time or later. Sales shouldn't be a factor for Uncharted, to say the least.

Wikipedia claims it's 11 months and 500,000 copies for the PS3, but seeing as how several of the titles defy that, I'd say it's bullshit. If I were to bet where you got your info, though, I'd now have a pretty strong foundation for it....

[darkpower]

LOL to both.

Sony's not "catching up pretty quick." With the boost from MGS IV, they've managed to get a short term boost, but most months, their lead has not been impressive, nor enough to actually catch up to anyone. But this is a lie that's already been addressed, and you tried to change the topic.

The PS3 is lucky when it gets even half the Wii's sales in Japan, so if you want to pretend it's "killing everything" you're lying to someone, and probably just yourself. Most months, it is outsold by the Wii by a ratio of nearly 4:1, which is a larger margin than the PS3 outsells the 360.

Also, Uncharted has been out for 9 months, so it doesn't qualify for "failure," We're talking CoD 3, not 4, and HS has been out longer.

Now, you can say "But I said 6 months to a YEAR," But that doesn't mesh with more recent or concurrent games being released. By release date alone, your claims fail. If there's a time restriction, it applies to neither HS not UDF, as there are games on the list which came out at the same time or later. Sales shouldn't be a factor for Uncharted, to say the least.

Wikipedia claims it's 11 months and 500,000 copies for the PS3, but seeing as how several of the titles defy that, I'd say it's bullshit. If I were to bet where you got your info, though, I'd now have a pretty strong foundation for it....

!. I should've said killing everything 360 there. My bad.
2. Those WERE based on month-by-month sales figures from NPD. They are usually pretty accurate.
3. It wasn't Wiki that I got that from. it was someone on the N4G forums that brought that one up (yeah, big difference in source cred, I know, but at least it wasn't Wiki, right :shifty:). And I wasn't sure about the exact time frame the would require. It could be exactly a year or just 6 months or somewhere in between. Uncharted definitely wouldn't fail sale-wise, but it may not be in that time window yet (I guess).

[Kane Knight]

2. Those WERE based on month-by-month sales figures from NPD. They are usually pretty accurate.

The NA sales where it's catching up?

You're still missing the point if that's the case. The problem is that they are monthly sales, and monthly, it's not doing that much better than the 360. It's been leading for months, yes, we've established this. Most of those months, it's not enough to catch up in any meaningful sense. The time since MGS4 came out has seen an even bigger increase, but it doesn't take a fortune teller to see that won't last. Why? Because even the Gamecube saw that kind of surge when a Zelda game was announced. The general lead the 360 has is such that with the "gains" the Ps3's been making, it's take a couple of years to overtake the 360. Games are nice, but the 360 will put out another system seller, and the lead will change. Or they will cut prices again to appeal to more consumers, probably for the holidays. Relying on boosts generated by games will do no good in the long run.

3. It wasn't Wiki that I got that from. it was someone on the N4G forums that brought that one up (yeah, big difference in source cred, I know, but at least it wasn't Wiki, right :shifty:). And I wasn't sure about the exact time frame the would require. It could be exactly a year or just 6 months or somewhere in between. Uncharted definitely wouldn't fail sale-wise, but it may not be in that time window yet (I guess).

So you spend a lot of time using N4G posters as strawman to bitch about 360 fanboys, but you trust the information posted on it.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

LOL @ a nice thread about a new line of PS3 games being turned into RABID FANBOYISM out of nowhere by darkpower.

[darkpower]

LOL @ a nice thread about a new line of PS3 games being turned into RABID FANBOYISM out of nowhere by darkpower.

Seriously, how is anything I'm saying in this thread a sign of rabid fanboyism? I'm stating an opinion based on something I've seen...oh, wait, I'm actually saying something good about the PS3. That seems to get me neg reps somehow. It's a shame that you NEVER get KK for rabid fanboyism, either....oh wait, I forgot, you let him get a free pass because he couldn't take a joke in the thread I "broke" (which I never meant to do but was amusing that I did it anyway) because he's putting his cock inside his 360 24/7

Although I'm not sucking his cock 24/7, either.

(Waiting for the next neg rep from KK because he seems to get really ansy whenever I say anything that he even remotely dislikes anymore. It's like I forgot to give him his daily cock sucking).

[Xero]

LOL @ a nice thread about a new line of PS3 games being turned into RABID FANBOYISM out of nowhere by darkpower.

PS2 > 360

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The PS3 is killing everything in Japan, so that may keep Sony going if they ever need a immediate savior. As for the US and UK, the PS3 is catching up pretty quick. The landscape of the install base situation could change drastically by the end of this year if you take to heart the NPD sales figures, which seem to be having the 360 and the PS3 in a statistical dead heat in monthly sales for a while now.

That whole part?

The PS3 is only killing everything in Japan if you discount the Wii

If you take to heart the NPD figures, then, based on Junes figures, the PS3 would be dead level with 360 in the USA in 31 months, hardly the end of the year.

Thikning about all that, I could be wrong, it could be ignorance instead of fanboyism.

Also, in the thread you broke, where did you make a joke that KK couldn't take?

[darkpower]

Also, in the thread you broke, where did you make a joke that KK couldn't take?

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2238811#post2238811

That.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yeah, I know the thread. I just can't see shit.

KK asks the question about the firmware and the only other post of his is refereing to Kalyx?

[Kane Knight]

Seriously, how is anything I'm saying in this thread a sign of rabid fanboyism?

ZOMG TEH PS3 IZ KILLING EVERYTHING IN JAPAN AND CATCHING UP IN AMERICA!!!!!!!1111oneoneoneoneoneone

EVERYTHING you have said regarding sales is wrong so far and favors the PS3. Why wouldn't that be viewed as fanboyism, especially with the extremes to which you take it?

oh, wait, I'm actually saying something good about the PS3

Strawman argument. The point you're trying to avoid in your distortion of the truth is that it has nothing to do with saying something good, it has to do with saying something false.

You're going to pretend it's all about how you're not fellating the 360, but it's more about how you have to lie, and hardcore, to come up with these "good things."

It's a shame that you NEVER get KK for rabid fanboyism, either....

Except I'm not a rabid fanboy. You're trying to paint all things as equal when they're not. I'm not the one running around making comments like "Only fanboys would believe..."

:y:

because he's putting his cock inside his 360 24/7

Really. Do show me an instance of this.

(Waiting for the next neg rep from KK because he seems to get really ansy whenever I say anything that he even remotely dislikes anymore. It's like I forgot to give him his daily cock sucking).

Ever hear of the self-fulfilling prophecy?

[Kane Knight]

Let me put this in a way you might appreciate. Or rather, in a way that might resonate with you. You're an Olbermann fan, right? You ran around with the "Faux News" avatar, called Olbermann this generation's Edward R Murrow, etc., no? Bashed Bill O'Reilley, posted the "Worst Person in the World" vids?

But you've got a Fox News attitude going on here. O'Reiley tends to try and make criticism about what he said into something like a free speech issue, the PC police, or al Qaeda supporters, when it's really just about him saying something stupid.

Nobody's saying "Bill, you don't have the right to free speech." They're saying "Bill, you're a lying douchebag and a moron."

Darkpower, nobody's saying you don't have the right to say positive things about the PS3. They're saying you're a lying douchebag and a moron.

[darkpower]

Let me put this in a way you might appreciate. Or rather, in a way that might resonate with you. You're an Olbermann fan, right? You ran around with the "Faux News" avatar, called Olbermann this generation's Edward R Murrow, etc., no? Bashed Bill O'Reilley, posted the "Worst Person in the World" vids?

But you've got a Fox News attitude going on here. O'Reiley tends to try and make criticism about what he said into something like a free speech issue, the PC police, or al Qaeda supporters, when it's really just about him saying something stupid.

Nobody's saying "Bill, you don't have the right to free speech." They're saying "Bill, you're a lying douchebag and a moron."

Darkpower, nobody's saying you don't have the right to say positive things about the PS3. They're saying you're a lying douchebag and a moron.

Yet you seem to think you still have fans...making you a moron...and you've always been a douchebag, though you're TRYING to be one. I'm not trying to be one (and I don't think I am, nor am I a moron). Yet, you neg rep me for the stupidest fucking things (and by the way, you did it again. I wonder if you're trying to just destroy my rep somehow. You do that with everyone that isn't in your circle. Again, I don't know what in the blue hell I even did to you to begin with. Was it that stuff I said about what would become the Cloverfield movie that you thought was retarded? Or maybe it was that day long ban that Wee Gooner did while he was mod for a day, or maybe I seemed to be pissing NerF off for whatever reason he had against me). You still haven't told me what this is all about, because I've made comments like this my entire TPWW life and NEVER got this woman-like shit from you until a year ago, and you've NEVER stopped since. What opinion did I make that was SO bad that you have become the Bret Hart of this forum? This is getting ridiculous. This is something MORE than you just thinking I'm some douchebag and a moron.

And by the way, go here: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_2008_in_review

PLEASE don't tell me it's Wiki, because THEN it would only be an excuse not to believe it. You want to play this stupid fucking games? I'll play!

[#BROKEN Hasney]

No, those figures in that NPD wiki thing are right, just the way you presented them in your post above (THE INSTALLED BASE COULD CHANGE DRAMATICALLY!!!111!) is the wrong part

[Kane Knight]

Yet you seem to think you still have fans...making you a moron...


I don't know why you're inferring that I seem to think I have fans, but it's on your end, in your head. Not mine. I sure as fuck am not a moron for shit you make up.

and you've always been a douchebag, though you're TRYING to be one. I'm not trying to be one (and I don't think I am, nor am I a moron).

Yes, of course you don't think you're a moron. You lack the intellect.

Yet, you neg rep me for the stupidest fucking things (and by the way, you did it again. I wonder if you're trying to just destroy my rep somehow. You do that with everyone that isn't in your circle.

Instead of trying top pull the "everyone else is wrong" shtick (And with all the people who have called you thick, stupid, or a fanboy, that's not a horrible assessment of your attitude), maybe you could stop and think once in a while.

Also, don't lie. The "You're attacking the rep of anyone not in your circle" shit as as fake as the usual tripe you spew. You're trying to read too much into it. Not only that, but you're too thick to gather the actual issue from both the comment in your rep box AND the post? My fucking GOD. Please tell me you're just pretending not to get it.


Again, I don't know what in the blue hell I even did to you to begin with.

Tip: Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. Saying stupid things gets you neg repped. There's no conspiracy, no vendetta, no grudge, except in your own head. You know, where most of your complaints come from.

Was it that stuff I said about what would become the Cloverfield movie that you thought was retarded?

Would it change anything if I asked what the Hell you were talking about?

Now, I really don't doubt you said something retarded in the Cloverfield thread, and I don't doubt that I commented it, but I have no fucking clue what it is, and don't remember said interaction even after prompting.

Are we done with the conspiracy theory shit yet?

Or maybe it was that day long ban that Wee Gooner did while he was mod for a day, or maybe I seemed to be pissing NerF off for whatever reason he had against me

More examples.

You still haven't told me what this is all about

And I still won't, because it's not about anything. I just wish you could get that through your thick little skull and stop trying to make a mountain out of it every time you get called on it.

because I've made comments like this my entire TPWW life and NEVER got this woman-like shit from you until a year ago

Remember that thing about self-fulfilling prophecies? Oh yeah.

and you've NEVER stopped since.

Which is still news to me.

What opinion did I make that was SO bad that you have become the Bret Hart of this forum?

If I offered a reward, could someone draw me a map for that one?

This is getting ridiculous

I agree.

This is something MORE than you just thinking I'm some douchebag and a moron.

If I confess, if I make something up, will it shut you the fuck up? Because there's nothing more.

And by the way, go here: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_2008_in_review

PLEASE don't tell me it's Wiki, because THEN it would only be an excuse not to believe it. You want to play this stupid fucking games? I'll play!

I don't want to play stupid fucking games. I wish you'd stop. But you won't, so...

Before I say this next point, which you will fixate on, let me point out I will continue without actually arguing the NPD numbers.

However, while we're speaking of numbers, the NPD numbers leave out some really important retailers and e-tailers, and so they actually may not be accurate. People fellate them like they're the second coming, but the fact is, that's not a good way of building a study of sales. It's kind of like taking polls for the Presidency and excluding Texas and North Carolina.

That aside, you've managed to repeatedly miss the point. This is no exception.

The above aside, I haven't criticised the NPD numbers yet. Nobody opposing your statements has criticised them in the many times they've been brought up. The problem isn't the NPD. Well, NPD is a potential problem, but we're not having that argument. You keep insisting shit that is not consistent with the numbers you're providing.

I mean, the NPD numbers show a what? .06 million increase in 4 months? Well STAND BACK MICROSOFT!!!!!

Hasney has already made the point that it will take 31 months to catch up at the current rate at which Sony is leading. I made the same point in a prior thread. Twice.

If you take to heart those NPD figures, the slight increase will yield a bonus of a quarter of a million sales. That will decrease the American deficit down to 6.44 million consoles in favor of the 360. Do you understand how huge that difference is? Even in a "dead heat," the 360 has the larger installed user base. Slight increases in sales aren't going to change the landscape, drastically or otherwise.

I don't know why this point keeps going over your head. You've attacked me for ignoring the current weekly sales improvement, even as I acknowledged it. You've then gone on to miss the point that it seems everyone else understands: That the 360 is still winning. Leading for eight months means nothing if it doesn't even dent the current sales lead.

And that's why I call you a moron. Well, that and ignoring the number of people who disagreed with you, found the one person who had the same train of thought (Noid), and went on like you were vindicated, despite being in a clear minority. And your "only a fanboy" rants, including the one where you demonstrated you know nothing about trademark and copyright law.

Yeah. Really hard to see that pattern....

[Kalyx triaD]

Gotta admit; I miss this sort of thing.

[darkpower]

including the one where you demonstrated you know nothing about trademark and copyright law.

Can you tell me where this was, because now I'm honestly don't remember anything about that (as in, knowing where that whole thing was brought up).

[Kane Knight]

Can you tell me where this was, because now I'm honestly don't remember anything about that (as in, knowing where that whole thing was brought up).

ONLY A FANBOY WOULD BELIEVE THAT MICRO$OFT COULD PATENT CONCEPTS LIKE IN-GAME CUSTOM SOUNDTRACKS!!!!!!

Embellished, because that's as retarded as you came off.

Of course, Nintendo's been successfully sued for that exact same thing like 20 times in the last decade (The ideas you claim cannot be patented). Konami's suing Harmonix on similar grounds.

http://tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2202097&postcount=15

Read the thread from there on if you want more information. You make claims about the domain of copyright and trademark that are clearly not true, as demonstrated by both the market and legal system (See: Suits against Nintendo, suit against Harmonix).

Further on, you try and make a claim about me that either demonstrates how readily you miss simple concepts or how dishonest you are. Despite having explained myself rather thoroughly, you bitch about negative rep and try and make it about how I'm repping you because I disagree with you. Not because you're spewing ignorance, claiming that only fanboys would disagree, etc. But then, that's not born out either, since I didn't do the same to other people who disagreed.

I bring that up only because it offers such a spectacular parallel to what you did here. Even when explained to you, you try and make it about something else. Something convenient, something that generally both ignores the actual matter and allows you to nail yourself up on that cross again.

And when nobody else agrees, you blame it on their fanboyism. It's not that you're wrong, it's that everyone who disagrees with you is a fanboy. Funny how that works.

[Kane Knight]

So...July saw the PS3's lead on the 360 slow to 20K units, and August saw the 360 beat the PS3 by 10K units.

Source? The same Wiki site darkpower referenced, with documentation and quotes from NPD. I've already made my statements about NPD and Wikis, but you can consider this a "by your logic...." post, because it's not my site or my evidence.

It's worth noting that this is prior to the results of the price cut.

What this doesn't mean is that the 360 is going to pull away as of the price cut. It may, but this is more about how demonstrably stupid it is to assume the big buildup to a game will translate to long-term trends.

We'll see how things progress, but darkpower's logic was stupid from the get-go.

[Fryza]

On topic, the only greatest hits games I have seen in the shop so far have Been Assassin's Creed, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and Resistance Fall of Man.

Out of those three we have, only one of them makes sense to me.

But then again, the PS2 had a crap ton of random games in the GH section, many that were on the GameCube and 360. So whatever works.

[Kane Knight]

On topic, the only greatest hits games I have seen in the shop so far have Been Assassin's Creed, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and Resistance Fall of Man.

Out of those three we have, only one of them makes sense to me.

But then again, the PS2 had a crap ton of random games in the GH section, many that were on the GameCube and 360. So whatever works.

LOL. The Gamecube's GH made less sense. Player's Choice, or whatever it was called. The number of random "wtf" titles on there was astounding.

Greatest Hits don't have to be exclusives, though. The only one on that list I could say doesn't make sense is NGS, but only because I don't remember it selling well. Assassin's Creed did well on all the platforms it was released on, didn't it? And Resistance was one of the only well-selling exclusives near launch.

Though the primary idea behind the GH/PC/Whatever is to move games when sales start dwindling. They're "Cheap Seat" games, but by that point, the initial costs are more or less covered and they don't need to charge as much, so they can cut the price to up sales. There's also a secondary effect. So many cheap games made the PS2 so worth owning, because you didn't even have to spend a lot of cash to get a good library going. That can help console sales.

[Kane Knight]

So...July saw the PS3's lead on the 360 slow to 20K units, and August saw the 360 beat the PS3 by 10K units.

Source? The same Wiki site darkpower referenced, with documentation and quotes from NPD. I've already made my statements about NPD and Wikis, but you can consider this a "by your logic...." post, because it's not my site or my evidence.

It's worth noting that this is prior to the results of the price cut.

What this doesn't mean is that the 360 is going to pull away as of the price cut. It may, but this is more about how demonstrably stupid it is to assume the big buildup to a game will translate to long-term trends.

We'll see how things progress, but darkpower's logic was stupid from the get-go.

Oh look. The 360 is up by over 100K sales.