Santino Yay or Nay?

[Rollermacka]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/santinoscasa/2008/july29-31/7764820?zone=raw_santinomarella

When he came out a few years back I though he was just the WWE's way to have an italian wrestler because of the popularity of the Rocky Balboa movie. It's been a while since then he's just been kinda a mid carder and not really had a definate kinda push and has been kinda bouncing around. I find him entertaining, he's decient in the ring, and the way he acts and speaks is funny "Mya namea isa Santino...a", I find Santiono's Casa entertaining. I think he'd work better as the mouthpiece with an enforcer/ bodyguard behind him maybe call up Big Guiedo, Johhny the Bull, or Big Vito (minus the dress) but the Beth Phoenix thing is workin too. So what do you think of him?

[Afterlife]

I enjoy him. The interesting thing about Santino is he's getting popular without needing a title. The guy is a walking personality, and that's just fine by me. This company often forgets what a "character" is, and Santino could show a lot of guys a thing or two about it.

[Y2Ant]

Even as a die-hard Chris Jericho fan, he is still my #1 reason to watch RAW every monday night.

[Lock Jaw]

Santino kind of reminds me of WCW Chris Jericho. Goofy kind of heel who does funny things. Only difference is that Jericho actually won matches.

[Xero]

No.

[Afterlife]

I think you mean. "Nay". But what you really mean is "Yay".

[Xero]

Nah, Santino is shit.

As in bad.

As in, if he was fired tomorrow I wouldn't care.

[Xero]

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[Afterlife]

lmmfao, That is dedication to a joke, sir. Thumbs fucking up! :y:

[Xero]

Yeah.

But I still legitimately hate Santino. Haven't watched a single segment of his in months.

[Afterlife]

Reason?

[Skippord]

Nay

I hate Santino

[SammyG]

Of course Yay.

I love Santino.

[Juan]

Of course Yay.

I love Santino.

Sammy knows what's up.

[Mayo]

Santino is a walking pile of entertainment :D

[Indifferent Clox]

what is wrong with you xerolimit126? Did your funnybone get broken by an italian man?

[Xerzes]

Yea

[Exyle]

Definitely yay from me. There's very few that are consistently funny, and Santino is. Not sure about the new angle with Beth, but at least it gives both of them some camera time.

[Destor]

I don't enjoy much of the WWE lately but santino is something that I think works. So yay.

[Verbose Minch]

Yay for Santino.

[Rob]

Reason?

Because he is a goof obvioulsly. Zero, not Santino. Santino is a great man.

[Xero]

The gimmick's terrible. If he couldn't talk you'd all be shitting all over the gimmick. Well, I'm shitting on the gimmick because it's terrible. It's too obvious, unfunny and it tries too hard. I'll admit that he's what the target audience wants (IE: the Epic Movie/Will Ferrell/Shit like that crowd) but it certainly isn't the bullshit I tune into watch - and to each their own - but the gimmick will kill his career in the long run.

I've said it in the past - he'd make an EXCELLENT addition to the roster if he had a more serious gimmick (that isn't to say 100% serious, but he has to drop the cartoony/racist shit - just cut the gimmicked accent by half and make him act like he's worth a damn). But this gimmick is going to Venis him and he'll never be able to recover once they try to break him away.

If he wins the Women's championship he'll be a wrestling footnote and be the gimmick for the rest of his WWE - and possibly wrestling - career. If he gets out of this gimmick he could be a great addition to the upper midcard.

[Afterlife]

What gimmick, exactly? Mispronouncing words is not a gimmick. It's a tweak to a persona. Being Italian is not a gimmick -- nationality, no matter what they claim -- is not a gimmick. So, basically, you don't like to hear him speak.

[Xero]

Uh, no, the character as a whole. The whole 'comedy' routine. The whole he's the woman in the relationship. The comedy/weakling style he does in-ring. Or, as I put it in my previous post, "cartoony", which is how I see it.

[Lock Jaw]

His character is the only thing that stands him apart. You could still keep it, but have him start actually winning, and it would be gold.

You take it away, and you're left with just another everyday wrestler.

Character is everything.

And Santino's character isn't as limiting as "retard" or "porn star". Those don't leave much room for growth or evolution. Santino is just an egomaniacal Italian with delusions of grandeur. He can do anything or go anywhere.

[Afterlife]

Exactly. I don't see what the problem is.

[BigDaddyCool]

Meh. Either way. He is funny, but to a point.

[Rob]

The gimmick's terrible. If he couldn't talk you'd all be shitting all over the gimmick.


Possibly but he can talk so it rules.

[Stickman]

Love him.

[#1-norm-fan]

Uh, no, the character as a whole. The whole 'comedy' routine. The whole he's the woman in the relationship. The comedy/weakling style he does in-ring. Or, as I put it in my previous post, "cartoony", which is how I see it.

Don't see the problem with the gimmick.

And "If he couldn't talk..." is a terrible argument anyway.

Who cares? If he can talk, and people enjoy it, then whether the "gimmick" is good or not is a moot point...

[#1-norm-fan]

The Rock's gimmick sucked ass, by the way.

Terribly generic.

[Afterlife]

Honestly. That's like saying "If my car didn't have an engine, I'd have to walk, but it does, so I don't". It's a fairly useless thing to say.

[Mister Sinister]

I'll say Yay if he shaves that damn Unibrow

[Volare]

F'n Yay.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The gimmick's terrible. If he couldn't talk you'd all be shitting all over the gimmick. Well, I'm shitting on the gimmick because it's terrible. It's too obvious, unfunny and it tries too hard. I'll admit that he's what the target audience wants (IE: the Epic Movie/Will Ferrell/Shit like that crowd) but it certainly isn't the bullshit I tune into watch - and to each their own - but the gimmick will kill his career in the long run.

I've said it in the past - he'd make an EXCELLENT addition to the roster if he had a more serious gimmick (that isn't to say 100% serious, but he has to drop the cartoony/racist shit - just cut the gimmicked accent by half and make him act like he's worth a damn). But this gimmick is going to Venis him and he'll never be able to recover once they try to break him away.

If he wins the Women's championship he'll be a wrestling footnote and be the gimmick for the rest of his WWE - and possibly wrestling - career. If he gets out of this gimmick he could be a great addition to the upper midcard.

That right there pretty much describes Xero, ironically.

I actually agree with his second and third paragraphs, though. By the way, Xero. Way to Noid post (anything over two paragraphs here is apparently too long for people). You've never actually worded it like that before (that I have seen), and usually make an ass out of yourself by saying "Santino is horrible." Which everyone knows he is not.

While Santino holding the Women's Championship would be hilarious shit (not because of the writing, Xero, but because of the performers involved), I can't see Anthony Carelli holding a World Championship as a former WWE Women's Champion. I can imagine it tastefully done, and Santino becoming the first Women's Champion to amount to anything would be very cool, but I'd much rather see Santino as IC Champion and Beth as Women's Champion for the second time each. Or Beth as both IC and Women's Champion, with Santino then winning the IC Title off her.

I'd love to see Santino start winning matches, and incorporating more of his Boris Alexiev style into his current character. Whether you have Beth Phoenix whip him into shape, or you have William Regal school Santino, it doesn't fucking matter. Just start getting some of his MMA shit in there. Santino apparently reminded people of Kurt Angle when he was a serious bad-ass in OVW, and if he were a more credible version of himself now, he'd actually remind me of an Italian goofy Angle.

I've really liked his stuff with Beth, but mainly because it's freshened up both characters a lot. Santino could actually win the IC Title with Beth Phoenix by his side, something I couldn't see him doing when the only guy he could buy a win against was Val Venis. I also can't think of a way they would have credibly put Beth Phoenix back in Mickie James' sights after just sort of dropping her bad-ass routine. This has achieved both.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I actually wouldn't mind the WWE introducing an Intergender Tag Team Championship to RAW, even just for a gimmick's sake. You've got Santino & Beth, Kofi Kingston/John Cena/whoever else Mickie fucks & Mickie James, Paul Burchill & Katie Lea, Jamie Noble & Layla. Santino would of course refer to them as the "Transgender Championships" but it could be some mid-card fun on RAW.