Lost - Season 5 - Someone get Jack a drink!

[XL]

I believe this is the general idea:

We believe that Eloise Hawking is both Daniel's mother and Ellie on the Island in the 50s.

We also know that Charles Widmore was on the island at the same time.

The belief here is that both Hawking and Widmore were banished from the island due to some action (or perhaps left so that they could have children, thinking they could return at a later time). Many think that those two leaving is linked and thus Widmore is Daniel's father.

As he is Penny's dad too, it would make Daniel and Penny at least half-siblings.

[CSL]

I think that h-bomb has something to do with the hatch, but nobody I know thinks that.

Mate of mine thinks four-toed statue. 'Tis plausible

[XL]

I thought that might be the other option (no pun intended). But it seems like an odd solution to an active H-Bomb.

[Requiem]

Holy crap.. awesome theory here.

Taken from timelooptheory as they update for the new episodes.

Episode 3: Widmore is Penny and Desmond's Child

Jan 30, 2009 by Jason Hunter
Penny gave birth to a child named: Charlie...aka Charles Widmore. Then they go back in time on the island to around the year 1930 with young Charles Widmore. At some point, Penny and Desmond die, and then Widmore grows up on the island. Eventually, he is exiled and then leaves the island, marries Mrs. Hawking and then gives birth to Penny again, creating a loop. Note in season 4, when Ben sneaks into Widmore's room in the night. Ben: We both know I can't kill you, so I'm going to kill your daughter. Ben says this because he knows that he will be "indirectly" killing Widmore if Penny dies, thus she cannot go back in time with Charles for a second time - in other words, Ben would be altering what is supposed to be written in the past, thus creating some type of paradox. This all goes back to the notion that Widmore was responsible for killing Alex back in season 4. Perhaps... Alex was Ben's mother as well?

[thedamndest]

Ben's mother died in childbirth, but the rest would be pretty crazy. I was wondering if Desmond and Penny would be the skeletons in the cave.

[Requiem]

Ben's mother died in childbirth, but the rest would be pretty crazy. I was wondering if Desmond and Penny would be the skeletons in the cave.


Yeah, but Alex was still a kid. I am fairly sure she left the island and came back (Ben's mom), so that is how she ages.. has Ben and dies.

This could be why Ben is so shocked that she dies.

Edit: You have to read the entirety of timelooptheory to get why this could work. I see it as a very possible theory.

[thedamndest]

I would put Ben's shock more on the fact that Keamy shot her on eight rather than giving him the entire count to formulate any kind of plan to save her. It's pretty clear from the way he goes over to her and cries that she is the only person on the island he loves.

What is the rest of the theory? I was under the impression that "if it didn't happen, it can't happen." So Keamy would have always shot Alex, and Ben would have never been able to stop it, unless somehow Desmond, the only one with any special power (according to Faraday) intervened.

[El Fangel]

My head just exploded trying to comprehend Penny being her own grandmother.

[CSL]

lol no chance in hell Penny and Desmond are Widmore's parents. Them being the Adam and Eve skeletons, sure. Widmore and Eloise Hawking getting freaky, possibly (Farraday or Penny though if that is how it goes?) but not the Penny/Desmond/Widmore thing. Just way too generic/predictable. Pretty sure Penny and Desmond named the kid Charlie as an homage to Charlie, nothing more. And Alex being Ben's mother is beyond ludicrous

[RP]

I think its something alot simpler then we think

[Requiem]

It may or may not be true, but 'generic/predictable'? Come on, what? How is that generic or predictable. To be generic, this would have to be a common happening. As for predictability, this is the first I have heard of this theory at all. Everyone else I've talked to has been clammering on about how Charlie must be -the- Charlie, which is even more ludicrous of an idea the more you think about it.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I think if it did turn out that Penny was her own grandmother Lost would be jumping the shark.

[CSL]

It may or may not be true, but 'generic/predictable'? Come on, what? How is that generic or predictable. To be generic, this would have to be a common happening. As for predictability, this is the first I have heard of this theory at all. Everyone else I've talked to has been clammering on about how Charlie must be -the- Charlie, which is even more ludicrous of an idea the more you think about it.

Generic may have been the wrong word but predictable, definitely. 'Oh the baby is named Charlie, there is time travel, therefore the baby must be Widmore or Pace.' :-\

[Requiem]

Generic may have been the wrong word but predictable, definitely. 'Oh the baby is named Charlie, there is time travel, therefore the baby must be Widmore or Pace.' :-\

It would be predictable if it was Charlie Pace, because that's the first thing everyone thought. But it is a swerve and not predictable if it turns out to be Charles Widmore.

[Blitz]

Blitz is dumb edit.

[Requiem]

Wrong thread Blitz.

[thedamndest]

Is Christian Bale his own grandmother?

[El Fangel]

3 hours still kickoff.

[CSL]

It would be predictable if it was Charlie Pace, because that's the first thing everyone thought. But it is a swerve and not predictable if it turns out to be Charles Widmore.

My first thought was that 'Oh it could be Charles or Charlie' followed by 'I hope it isn't.' Charles would be the 'less likely' of the two though if that was gonna be the case

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The "I'm my own grandparent" bit can work on a show like Futurama but on here, ehhh. That's a bit much.

[Blitz]

The fuck is wrong with me.

[CSL]

vWo

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Sippin on Jin n juice

[ClockShot]

I love Ben's one liners. And how about that surprise at the last 10 minutes.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

But seriously can Ben get some fucking dialogue already

[Requiem]

Ok, so I saw Jin coming back to life. But I didn't see him being rescued by Danielle's group. It didn't even dawn on me that it might be them until they showed she was pregnant.

[RP]

As soon as Locke found the french wreckage, i knew that was coming. I immediatly thought about the message Danielle made in french that they heard on there radios.

[PapaGeorgio]

Was odd was discussing with my friend about Lost while it was on, just started. Mentioned three things, that Jin still alive and Ben sent lawyer after Kate (both of which were semi obvious) and that Danielle the french lady is going to make a comeback soon. He didn't believe any of it cause he's an idiot, and most my predictions are obvious. LIke all the timewarps you just think about what characters/events happened that could be reexplored now and that was an obvious one, and an awesome one.

[Boondock Saint]

Good episode. Nothing mind-blowing but solid.

[El Fangel]

That was a very good episode. 168 hours and counting.

[Blitz]

Average ep to me. Saw all the twists coming.

[thedamndest]

Yeah, I kind of thought it was average, but necessary. Seems like things are getting untangled in terms of the history of the island.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The stuff going on in LA really hasn't grabbed my attention despite the fact that it involves Ben and Sayid. I dunno, I've never really been that enthralled by the whole Kate/Jack thing.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I hope they stick with the current time flash long enough to show the "sickness" that infected Rousseau's crew and caused her to murder them. They'll probably just tease it though.

[Impact!]

When's the next lost ep?

Also I hope Mikail(sp?) returns :(

[Requiem]

Tonight.

[Boondock Saint]

I'd love Mikhail to come back. Badass

[Impact!]

Awesome

[ClockShot]

THE SMOKE MONSTER COMETH! I hope that's the last thing that gets solved. That whole temple and sickness needs another episode.

Looks like next week the bandwagon makes the rounds on who's coming and who's staying. Bring it on!

[Requiem]

Loved this episode. While there wasn't really much 'new' stuff, it was just extremely entertaining.

[Boondock Saint]

I concur

[XL]

Awesome stuff.

Obviously I was hoping we'd learn how they were gonna get back but I always find myself having a little chuckle at the cliffhanger endings to each episode in a kinda "ah, you motherfuckers" kinda way.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Good episode. I was glad they got Jin back to Sawyer and co quickly rather than dragging him out being on his own for too long.

[Blitz]

I feel like Daniel and Richard might be brothers, or at the very least or somehow linked, due to the whole ageless thing they both seem to have going on.

[RP]

I dont think Daniel is ageless. I think he traveled back in time, via the time flashes. I think he new Charlotte would die, so he traveled back in time and told he not to come back to the Island so that she wouldnt die.

[Requiem]

^That

[XL]

Yeah, I got to thinking that we would see Daniel head into the Orchid in this episode, looping round to the first scene of Season 5. Obviously that didn't happen, but it will at some point.

At another point we'll see Daniel tell little Charlotte not to come back.

[Requiem]

I am wondering what point in time they are stuck in right now. It is obviously before the well was even built. So, it would make sense that now Faraday is in a time when he has a chance to go down to the Orchid while it is being constructed, before they even find the wheel (as shown in that one episode)

[Impact!]

I guess with the time jump it's actually possible there will be dinosaurs :shifty:

Also I'm looking forward to them explaining about Black Rock, imo there's gotta be a good story connected with that...

After rewatching season 3, I hope they do something big with Ben's friend (The little girl who befriends him at DARMA and gives him the hand carved statue on his birthday). I get the feeling she could become a big part of the story soon...

[XL]

Was her name Annie?

You really need to constantly rewatch the entire series to link it all together (when I say 'you' I mean everyone, not just Impact!).

[Impact!]

Yeah Annie. Apparently according to the producers (J.J. Abrahms or whatever) they said that she will have a big part soon...though they also said that Frogurt would have a big part as well...

Either way, rewatching the series has been incredible, so many things I'd forgotten...

[El Fangel]

I have no way to link this, but a gut feeling.

Charlotte is Annie. Calling it now.

[Rob]

That won't happen. She could be Charlotte's mother though.

[Hanso Amore]

BEN BETTER NOT HAVE JUST DONE WHAT I THINK HE DID.......

[PapaGeorgio]

Not sure what you think he did, but this is a fucking boring ass episode.

[Hanso Amore]

HE is beat up because he was "fulfilling a promise to an old friend. HE JUST KILLED PENNY.

[Hanso Amore]

Also, I dont know how you can think this is boring,

[Hanso Amore]

[spoiler] I cant wait to find out what happened to aaron, why Sayid was arrested, and what got Hurley on the plane. I think Penny is dead, and Desmond id going to be pissed. LAPIDUS FTW DHARMA JIN? [\spoiler]

[Hanso Amore]

WTF, why wont my spoiler tags work?

[Lock Jaw]

I think Hurley is in for another visit from Charlie. Hence why he has a guitar with him. Or maybe a visit from Brian K. Vaughan, hence the shameless plug for his comics.

[ClockShot]

Hot episode. The last twenty minutes were crazy. New questions now must be answered.

Hoping Said Taghmaoui runs with the crew. This can't be a one and done thing for him.

[RP]

Hot episode. The last twenty minutes were crazy. New questions now must be answered.

Hoping Said Taghmaoui runs with the crew. This can't be a one and done thing for him.

love this guy. Every movie he's done i've loved him in. He's one of those actors that just has something about them that makes me watch. Great casting.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Brilliant episode I thought. Clean shaven Lapidus :y:

The writers always said that there would be something involving Christians shoes since the prolonged clip of his white shoes hanging in the tree in the pilot.

Also I figured that the Ajira airlines stuff sawyer and co found a few episodes ago would belong to the plane that brought Jack and co back.

Can't wait for the next episode :D

[Corporate CockSnogger]

[spoiler] I cant wait to find out what happened to aaron, why Sayid was arrested, and what got Hurley on the plane. I think Penny is dead, and Desmond id going to be pissed. LAPIDUS FTW DHARMA JIN? [\spoiler]

Yeah could be Desmonds motive for somehow getting back to the island, I'll be pretty annoyed if that's how it pans out though as I quite like Penny.

Also, was thinking maybe Kate had to give aaron back to Claire's mother to make the flight more like Oceanic 815. You also have Hurley taking a guitar, Sayid taking kates place as a convinct and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Kate's taking Claires place as the pregnant girl. Seemed to be a reason behind them showing Kate staying in Jacks the night before.

[Impact!]

That's pretty much what I figured...cannot figure out who the new guy is/was supposed to be replacing though...perhaps Locke?

Either way, don't know how people thought that episode sucked, I thought it was incredible.

[Requiem]

Episode was AMAZING. Fucking loved it. PapaGeorgio is WAY too fucking picky if he thought that shit was boring. It answered a lot, and then opened up new questions. LOVED EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.

[Blue Demon]

They seem to be bringing in a lot of CS Lewis references now.

[PapaGeorgio]

End of episode picked up, but I was in middle of it when I stated it was boring, stand by it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Locke-Widmore confrontation next week should be epic. I predict at least one erection on my part. Who will join me

[Requiem]

The preview for next week was amazing. Ben kneeling in front of Locke as he was about to hang himself. Gave me chills.

[CSL]

Good ep. Love it when they do stuff like this, throw a bunch of answers at you and create new questions. Ben as always knows more than he's letting on but he isn't in control, or at least as in control. Jack's grandad I'm thinking could possibly have some link to the island, with his 'Once I'm gone they'll never find me' comment, Jack in general and with Christian already 'resurrected' by the island. Loved Lupidus' 'We're not going to Guam are we?' and Desmond walking all over the pendulum. Not sure about Ben killing Penny though. I hope that's what the writers want people to think since a lot of people came to that conclusion. Roll on next week, been the episode to look out for since this seasons episode titles were released (The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham)

[Requiem]

Also, who else thinks Ben might have crashed the plane?

[loopydate]

I don't think the plane crashed.

[Requiem]

I dunno. Maybe not in the same sense as the first one, but the others on the island found that campsite with things from Tajira airlines. And it was obviously out of control, what with the hostess getting tossed around like nothing.

[CSL]

Wouldn't suprise me if somehow this was the plane found in the indian ocean

[wwe2222]

Wouldn't suprise me if somehow this was the plane found in the indian ocean

I think they found an oceanic plane though

[CSL]

The newsreader 'confirms it is Oceanic 815' which (unless it's worked into the final season/ending) it obviously isn't. I'm pretty sure the pictures you see of the plane (of Parkman/the pilot, bits of the plane etc) the parts of the plane that would identify it aren't shown

[wwe2222]

The newsreader 'confirms it is Oceanic 815' which (unless it's worked into the final season/ending) it obviously isn't. I'm pretty sure the pictures you see of the plane (of Parkman/the pilot, bits of the plane etc) the parts of the plane that would identify it aren't shown

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/1/14/815crashsiteBali.jpg

[CSL]

lol, so maybe it does

[Impact!]

Heh, just rewatching season 2 atm...I forgot they find that old school army knife in the "tailies" shelter...

[ClockShot]

IT WAS MURRRRRDUR!

Hmph. Lepedis cut and run overnight. Interesting.

[Requiem]

LOVED THIS EPISODE SO MUCH.

God, I love this show. I will be very sad when it's over, but hopefully very satisfied.

[Blitz]

It's so cool to think about how far some of the stuff in the show has come. Like back when The Others first appears you just thought they were like these crazy jungle dwellers and now you find out Charles Widmore was their leader.

[Requiem]

Honestly at this point I don't know who to trust. I like Ben as a character, but he is a real shady asshole. I don't think he knew what was going to happen to Locke when he got back to the island. I don't think he knew to go to Eloise Hawking either, until Locke said it.. that's why he suddenly did what he did, because he no longer needed Locke.

I want to believe Widmore, but it's hard not to think of him as the bad guy. I also wonder what kind of intentions Ben really has at this point.

[Lock Jaw]

Michael Emerson plays the role of Ben so very very good. Ever since he first showed up, he's been this character where you're just not sure what the hell he is up to, and always seems to know more than he is letting on. Even when he gives you answers, or when he seems surprised, it seems like he's just totally in control of everything.

[jcmoorehead]

Michael Emerson plays the role of Ben so very very good. Ever since he first showed up, he's been this character where you're just not sure what the hell he is up to, and always seems to know more than he is letting on. Even when he gives you answers, or when he seems surprised, it seems like he's just totally in control of everything.

^^^

Totally agree, Ben is probably one of the best character I've seen across all of TV and film and it's down to both brilliant writing excellant acting. The fact that there is this ability for you to absolutely hate him at the start of the episode yet at the end really like him is something that is incredibly hard to pull off and yet Lost manages to do it consistantly throughout it's episodes.

Anyway was a good episode, I notice we seme to be getting a few fill in the blanks episodes lately which is great.

[Impact!]

Except they create more questions than answers :p

[Impact!]

Also, twas a great ep...god I hate having to wait so long for the next one though...

[RP]

There was a major rumor going around that Evangaline Lilly was looking for new shows to audition for. Apparently this picked up some major steam and everyone began to assume that her charachter was gunna be killed off soon. But her rep came out and said the audition rumo was absolutely false.

[RP]

Breaking: Is Evangeline Lilly leaving 'Lost'?
Feb 26, 2009, 01:23 PM | by Michael Ausiello

Categories: Lost

No!

That's what multiple sources are telling me in response to a rumor that Lost's top heroine, Evangeline Lilly, may be leaving the show before it reaches its natural conclusion in May 2010.

"We have no idea how this rumor got started," maintains Lilly's rep, "and whoever started it didn’t call us or ABC to verify the validity of it, for which there is none."

Buzz about Lilly's possibly premature exit stemmed from a report on Zap2it.com that claimed the actress was actively searching for a new TV gig -- one that would launch this fall. But as an ABC source points out, she's under contract with Lost through the sixth and final season, and there's absolutely nothing to suggest she'll be sprung before then.

Phew, crisis averted.

[RP]

You know the show is HUGE when rumors like this start making huge news.

[Requiem]

I have a feeling Jack is going to die by the end of the show. Just a gut feeling. He is also the only cast member who knows the ending to the show.

[Impact!]

I still think Jack will end up being Jacob...and I will be dissapointed because of it...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I get the feeling that somehow Jack will have to put his life in Locke's hands and finally trust him. Which way they then go with that is anybody's guess.

[RP]

Locke is slowly creeping up into the Jack Bauer level for me. He's becomming one of my favorite charachters of all time.

[Impact!]

Locke is incredible...

I'm actually abit upset that there has been a very large lack of Sawyer lately :(

[wwe2222]

Regarding the statue (photos too big so I spoilered them)

http://lost.cubit.net/images/index/investigations/5x08_statue.jpg


looks alot like this...spoilered for size

http://mythsoftheworld.net/egypt/images/anubis1big.jpg

[loopydate]

Anubis? They're Egyptian?

[thedamndest]

The island puts you in Tunisia. Maybe there is something in Tunisia that puts you on the island.

[Impact!]

Completely random, but am I the only one who thinks that Radzinsky is Mikhail (Radzinsky being the guy in the hatch before Desmond and Kelvin)

[Requiem]

Well, Horace's wife had the necklace from her husband, and the necklace was an egyptian ankh.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Yeah also in the statues hands it looks like it's holding the same symbol.

Also, I've alwasy rooted for Sawyer/Kate rather than Jack/Kate so now I don't know what to think about the whole Juliet thing.

[Loose Cannon]

Locke is slowly creeping up into the Jack Bauer level for me. He's becomming one of my favorite charachters of all time.

he's been there for me since the show started.

[thedamndest]

Totally stole this idea from the lostpedia.com forums.

Horus is a god of the Ancient Egyptian religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_religion), most commonly known by the Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language) version Horus, of the Egyptian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_language) Heru/Har. Horus was an ancient and important deity. He was also the son of Isis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis) and Osiris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris). Some details of the character are changed or intermixed with other characters throughout the different dynasties and Egyptian cults and religions. For example, when Heru (Horus) fuses with Ra the Sun God, he becomes Ra-Horakhty.<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus#cite_note-0)</sup>
The Eye of Horus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus) became an important Egyptian symbol of power. Horus had a man's body and a falcon's head. Horus fought with Seth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth) for the throne of Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt). In this battle one of his eyes was injured and later it was healed by Hathor. This healing of the eye became a symbol of renewal. Horus united Egypt and bestowed divinity upon the pharaohs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh) who were viewed as incarnations of Horus in life.

I guess that would make Richard into Seth.

Seth is one of the oldest of the Egyptian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) gods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God) first appearing between 4000-3500 BCE.The ancient Egyptian God of storms and of the desert. The rival of Horus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus). Seth was also the god that protected the pharaohs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh) from the evil serpent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent) Apophis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophis) and was a companion of the sun god Amun-Ra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun-Ra) and represented balance in the universe and central to the Egyptian concept of duality.
Depicted with a man's body and head of an animal with a long nose and squared ears. His wife was his sister the goddess Nephthys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephthys), a protector of the dead.


In Genesis Seth was the third son of Adam and Eve and the only child mentioned by name besides Cain and Abel. Born when Adam was 130 years old (Genesis 5:3), Seth was "a son in his likeness and image." Genesis 5:4 states that Adam fathered "sons and daughters" before his death, aged 930 years. It is stated in the Bible that Seth probably means "granted".

[Blitz]

Excellent episode. As good as this season has been, it's nice to have an ep more about a character and an arc that a bunch of sci-fi twists and turns. All the same, there was still the shot of the statue, which is one of those Lost moments that everyone is going to scrutinize and theorize about. Love it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well, Horace's wife had the necklace from her husband, and the necklace was an egyptian ankh.

That opens a whole bunch of questions too. Her deceased husband was a member of the Dharma Initiative. The Dharma Initiative was supposedly only on the island since the 1970s so it's pretty much assured that they didn't build the statue. So why did that guy have the ankh?

[Blitz]

I'd assume the statue even predates the others being on the island.

[Impact!]

Incredible episode...This season is wicked. Probably my favourite yet (so far anyway).

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also there has to be a reason why they picked the angle they did to reveal the statue. There has to be something distinguishing about the front of the statue other than whether it has the head of a falcon or a jackal. Maybe the statue is of a woman.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Maybe the statue has the face of Ben Linus :shifty:

[Requiem]

Or because they were on the island, and it just faces outward like the foot has always shown. :p

[Impact!]

So how long till next Lost ep?

[XL]

6 days.

[RP]

BIG RUMOR going around

Sawyer dies towards the end of season 5. Rumor has it that Josh Holloway found out on set and he's pretty pissed. Not sure how true this is, but its picking up tons of steam because apparently its confirmed that a major charachter will die at the end of season 5. I for one will be pissed.

[RP]

Supposedly its either Sawyer, Ben or Farraday that will die at the end of season 5. I'll be pissed if it any of them to be honest. I rather see Kate get impaled, vagina first, on a giant wooden log.

[Impeccable]

I'd like to see Kate get impaled, vagina first, on my giant wooden log.

http://msp227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/spiro4orce_2007/jrnl_scrubs.jpg

[RP]

true true

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'd put my money on Sayid offing somebody.

[thedamndest]

Re: Big Rumor
I don't see Ben dying until the end, so it's probably not him. Could be Dan or Miles, but I'm not really sure if they're considered major right now, even though they are part of the main cast. Dan has just kind of been there to tell us what's going on, but he hasn't actually "done" anything, so I don't think his death would deliver a season finale impact. I was thinking it would be Juliet now that Kate is back, but that would be the obvious thing to do, so maybe Sawyer is a dead man.

[RP]

Big Rumor

All of this is coming from DarkUFO which is normally right and they usually dont post these things unless they have a really good source.

there was a list 6 or so charachters when this first started, jin, Juliett, syad, sawyer, ben, dan, maybe a couple others. DarkUFO's source basically was giving permission to scratch a few off everyday for whatever reason. It's just been updated again and Sawyer was scratched off. It's either Ben or Dan Farraday.

Sorry Dan, i need my Ben in season 6.

[Impact!]

Oh thank fuck...:heart:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Faraday will probably end up killing himself

[Impact!]

Good ep. Not the best of the season by any means, but I found it pretty solid. Filled in alot of gaps very nicely...Next ep is either focusing on Sayid, or Kate (what happened to Aaron...I can't remember which it is though. Either way should be good.

Loving Sawyer at the moment, he's been the one character (besides Locke) who has been incredible this season :y:

[Requiem]

Yeah, pretty solid episode, and pretty solid season. It hasn't felt lacking at all, even though I really have no idea where the show is gonna go from here. It's amazing to see how much it has changed and still kept up with itself since the first season.

[Impact!]

So far I think this has actually been my favourite season...every ep has really held it's own. I'm on the same page as you in regards to where it's going to go from here, quite amazing really.

[Hanso Amore]

One sweet thing I love about this show, is how things come to be later.

Someone just pointed out to me that the Runway that the plane landed on in present day this week....

was the runway that Sawyer and Kate had to help build when they had been captured.

Hawt.

[ClockShot]

Holy shit. I pray that Abrams does not piss off the fanbase and have Mike Emerson just drop dead.

[Hanso Amore]

Im starting to think they have no idea where they are going with this show.

Its still great, but I just dont see where this is going....Wow.

[XL]

Holy. Shit.

[wwe2222]

Im starting to think they have no idea where they are going with this show.

Its still great, but I just dont see where this is going....Wow.

you have no idea whats goin on or the writers dont?

There is less than a season and a half left...im pretty sure they know what the hell is going on.

[El Fangel]

Wow. Shocker.

[Impact!]

Fuckin hell...good ep, great end. This season is absolutely incredible...

[Blitz]

Gotta believe we'll see Jack operating on Young Ben and saving his life next ep.

[Requiem]

Fucking love this show.

[Blue Demon]

Fucking love this show.

[Requiem]

I wish they had done more with Sayid and the acid. Would have been hilarious if he was still tripping balls whenever Ben came there later.

[RP]

Who didnt see that coming

[Impact!]

Ben

[Requiem]

Or maybe he isn't dead, and knew Sayid shot him when he was a kid all along.

[Optimus Bone 69]

yup because if he was dead they wouldnt be on the island

[thedamndest]

Maybe this is the reason Ben doesn't have The Others kill Oceanic when they first arrive, and why he lets himself get captured. He is curious to find out about who they are/where they came from having seen them as a child, but at the same time knows they won't kill him because they will later go back in time and do everything they are doing now.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

"Whatever happened, happened"

[RP]

next weeks episode will be epic

ben summons the smoke monster to be judged

[Impact!]

Cool

[Requiem]

lol Hurley and Miles' conversation cracked me up. awesome episode tonight. It is confirming a lot of things for me now.

[Boondock Saint]

Hurley/Miles was great.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I love the way the writers have always used Hurley as a sort of voice for of the viewers and says asks the questions that we ask.

[RoXer]

Can't wait for the monster to kill Ben next week

[Requiem]

lol what? highly doubt it is going to kill him

i am curious to see what richard was talking about though, cause he put it in a way that i didn't really expect.

kind of funny to see that everything ben did was essentially their fault though, because he wouldn't have ended up that way without them doing things the way they did

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I wanna know what the fuck happened to Faraday. They said that Ellie and Charles were leaders of the Others at this point so Faraday possibly jumped ship and joined up with them, which would explain why Sawyer said what he said when Jack asked him if Faraday was still there.

In 1977, Faraday had already been born, but Ellie is presumably still on the island. So does that mean that young Faraday is on the island? If so, that would be the first time that both the past and future versions of someone have been in the same reality that we know of. That has to create some sort of wacky nutty situation right?

I dunno, maybe Ellie gave Faraday away when he was little. Then he wouldn't be on the island when future Faraday came back. That would also explain why he doesn't have a British accent.

Or perhaps, and I'm just pulling this out of my ass as I go, people have been in the same reality as their past selves and that's what caused the nosebleeds. I don't have any real evidence to support that but it would explain why when Charlotte didn't get the nosebleeds, Sawyer and Juliet did. Maybe it was because Charlotte's past self was off the island but Sawyer and Juliet's past selves were still there. I dunno, probably wrong

[Loose Cannon]

yea, I keep forgetting to check, but when we saw him last, what episode was that and what was he doing? Myself and my wife were trying to figure this out. wtf

[Loose Cannon]

by the way, Miles is such an asweome character. He's a huge smart ass.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I actually post something I thought about and it gets cut off by the page break. Fuck that I'm reposting it

I wanna know what the fuck happened to Faraday. They said that Ellie and Charles were leaders of the Others at this point so Faraday possibly jumped ship and joined up with them, which would explain why Sawyer said what he said when Jack asked him if Faraday was still there.

In 1977, Faraday had already been born, but Ellie is presumably still on the island. So does that mean that young Faraday is on the island? If so, that would be the first time that both the past and future versions of someone have been in the same reality that we know of. That has to create some sort of wacky nutty situation right?

I dunno, maybe Ellie gave Faraday away when he was little. Then he wouldn't be on the island when future Faraday came back. That would also explain why he doesn't have a British accent.

Or perhaps, and I'm just pulling this out of my ass as I go, people have been in the same reality as their past selves and that's what caused the nosebleeds. I don't have any real evidence to support that but it would explain why when Charlotte didn't get the nosebleeds, Sawyer and Juliet did. Maybe it was because Charlotte's past self was off the island but Sawyer and Juliet's past selves were still there. I dunno, probably wrong

[Supreme Olajuwon]

yea, I keep forgetting to check, but when we saw him last, what episode was that and what was he doing? Myself and my wife were trying to figure this out. wtf
I believe the last time we saw him was when he thought he spotted young Charlotte. However, we know he didn't go completely nuts or comatose yet because we saw him helping build the Orchid in the first episode of this season.

[Impact!]

I agreewith LC Miles is incredible. Right now Sawyer, Locke and Miles are my main reasons for tuning in (besides the general awesomeness of this season)

[Requiem]

DS said he didn't like Sawyer as much this season, but I think he is fantastic. I like that he is in a role of some power in Dharma. Can't wait to see what Locke is going to do, since they haven't done anything with him on the island yet. Him sitting there staring at Ben was a great moment, just grinning.

I am still pissed that nothing has been done with Rose or Bernard.. they're just.. gone. They were with everyone on the beach when they were attacked by flaming arrows, and since then they're just gone. Nobody even cares it seems. I mean, they weren't major characters but I really hate that they've just been dumped completely.

[Loose Cannon]

those two come in and out of the show every season. they will be back and the brilliance of it is the writers always find a way to write them back in like they have been there the whole time.

Sawyer is great. I laugh every time they call him LaFlore. And whomever said the writers make Hurley the voice of the audience, I thought the same thing this episode.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The guy who was with young Widmore said the beach people were captured or dead. And since they brought back Neil to have someone killed in the flaming arrow attack I doubt they're dead.

[thedamndest]

I didn't really like Miles that much until his conversation with Hurley. I kind of hope they have an ongoing Hurley/Charlie thing, though it is kind of different since Miles isn't really a survivor, per say. But this seemed like the first episode where he got to have a lengthy conversation with somebody.

[Blitz]

Supposed to be a Miles-centric ep coming soon, which I am all for.

Also I'm betting Faraday is holed up somewhere on the island trying to figure out how to save Charlotte.

[ClockShot]

Just finished watching last week's ep.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. The Smoke Monster Temple needs an entire episode to itself. Get it aired already.

Oh and....
Ben lives. That makes me very happy. :love:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Tonight's episode should be beyond epic. Of everything that makes this show great, Ben and Locke are probably #1 and #2.

[Hanso Amore]

Timeline is fucked.

Ben is with the Others, steals a kid, 5 years later does the Dharma Purge, then raises the kid with the others? WHat did the DI think of him being with the Hostiles all that time?

And how did Whidmore leave the island as an old man, and have time to raise his massive empire?

[Hanso Amore]

SO, they just answered that.

[ron the dial]

lol

that's why i don't even discuss this show. i just wait for them to answer my questions because at this point i'm sure they will.

[Loose Cannon]

haha, I know.

Next week is the Miles ep :love:

Another good episode tonight.

I really have loved this season so far. There's just so much shit going on and they are answering a lot of things. Also, you find yourself going "oh that's why.....or oh, I get it now....." as things from all the past seasons begin to make sense.

[Hanso Amore]

Fucking Egyptian Djinn

[ClockShot]

Sweet episode. Been waiting for this one. But I think another full or atleast half a show should answer all the questions.

So, Ben didn't get the job done. This changes things. But Locke is now top dog of the island. Love to see him rally the troops.

[wwe2222]

Timeline is fucked.

Ben is with the Others, steals a kid, 5 years later does the Dharma Purge, then raises the kid with the others? WHat did the DI think of him being with the Hostiles all that time?

And how did Whidmore leave the island as an old man, and have time to raise his massive empire?

He had a child with an outsider...Clearly he's been off the island alot, could have had something going before that. Who knows, maybe his wife had alot of money too.

[Hanso Amore]

He had a child with an outsider...Clearly he's been off the island alot, could have had something going before that. Who knows, maybe his wife had alot of money too.

Yeah, they dropped that nuggest like 3 minutes after I posted

[Supreme Olajuwon]

They hinted last night at the fact that Ben might've murdered Sawyer & Co. during the purge which I completely forgot was a possibility. Pretty interested to see how that pans out.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also I love love love how Ben and Widmore keep switching off as the evilest villain. And it is amazing how after everything Ben does, they are still able to humanize him and make him a sympathetic character.

[thedamndest]

I think by not killing Penny, Ben is now officially "not a bad guy." I won't say he's a good guy because he's obviously got a bad past, but last night's episode seems to have been a type of cleansing for him. Having to be a follower for once could ensure that he stays that way..

[El Fangel]

As soon as I saw Ben tell Sun to tell Desmond he was sorry I realized why Ben looked like shit getting on the plane.

Great episode.

God I hate waiting a week :(

[Hanso Amore]

I miss Desmond so much.

[Hanso Amore]

Im glad that Penny is alive, but without her being killed, it allows her and Des to just never show up again.

[thedamndest]

I think if Widmore has a reason to chase Ben and the rest of the Losties, Desmond has a reason to go to the island.

[The Destroyer]

Good episode. Nice to fill in the blanks of some of Ben's past, even if his abduction of Alex does kind of contradict Danielle claiming she'd never actually seen any of the Others back in Season One. But then she is batshit crazy, I suppose.

I'm interested to find out what the hell is going on with Ilana and those other Flight 316 survivors though. I've already cooked up my own half-baked theories on who they are and what they want, so I'll wait and see...

[Impact!]

Miles ep was good, the ending was fucking great though :D

[jcmoorehead]

Good Miles episode, better then I was expecting. Can't wait to see what happens in The Variable though.

[El Fangel]

Oh my facking god, last week was crazy awesome

[Supreme Olajuwon]

what lies in the shadow of the fucking statue? I must know.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also, can we now assume that Caesar and co. are working for Widmore?

[Jon Kano]

Desmond will come back with Widmore me reckons, I think sides are going to be drawn late this season/early season 6. Characters like Desmond and Sayid maybe even swapping sides, hopefully only eventually.

[Hanso Amore]

I think the people could work for Widmore...but you would think they would have known about Ben.

Seems like they have no idea who he was.

Some peeps think they are agents of the Dharma remnants from the Mainland HQ.

[The Destroyer]

Also, can we now assume that Caesar and co. are working for Widmore?
They clearly don't work for Widmore. There would be no reason for them to be persuading Miles not to go to the island if they did, since Widmore wanted Miles to go.

Which means they're either off-island Others (seems unlikely, but you never know), modern day members of the Dharma Initiative (which is my pet theory) or some never before seen faction.

[Hanso Amore]

We think alike.

Word, they either work For Ben, DI or maybe even Ms. Hawking (since she is the only person to know about that flight)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

oh right i had it backwards

MY FAULT

[Hanso Amore]

I was thinking Ben because it was during the Ben vs Widmore feud, but I just realized how stupid this was since they didnt know who he was on the beach.

[The Destroyer]

Or maybe, that's what you were meant to think. :p

[Jon Kano]

It could be original DI, I mean theres a point I made somewhere a few days ago about how Mrs Hawking said 'the island was constantly shifting' during the time the survivors were on it, yet there were no flashes, nosebleeds AND regular or at least ONE food/supply crate drop was made in season 2, from Dharma. So someone, somewhere knew where the Island was at the time and most notable, probably oblivious to the face Dharma were wiped out. I think Mikhail would've been responsible for the communications to keep the ruse that Dharma were still in control.


Another thing I can't shake, Ben looked really pissed off when Desmond turned the fail-safe key/the button wasn't pressed. So we can assume he DID actually press the button when Locke was caught under the blast door in season 2. So assuming he was pissed off that the blast would a) wipe out all their communications b) be dangerous and c) make the island visable (although he might not of known this), why did he simply leave Kelvin and Radzinski down the hatch?

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah, good point on the hatch. Im sure he knew someone had to do it, but why not have your own people? Why trust that Kelvin and later Desmond would do it?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Really good episode there.

Faraday :(

[Loose Cannon]

yea, what the fuck. I hope he still appears on the show because he is my current fav character. It was kind of foreshadowing when Farraday said "anyone of us can die."

[ClockShot]

Pretty good ep. Answered some questions we already knew.

However, no Ben. No fun.

[Hanso Amore]

Like the one guy who knows what the fuck is going on dies.

We better find out why he came back, and what he was doing in Ann Arbor...and what the fuck Ann Arbor is.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Yeah after the episode I was all "yeah we found out shit loads just then" then I realised it was all stuff we pretty much knew anyway but they were confirmed.

Like Widmore being Faraday's father, Widmore being the one behind the fake Oceanic 815 (which I thought we found out a long time ago tbh), and the swan button being used to discharge the energy and not as an experiment testing people.

Still a good episode though, but I just think that next season is gonna be a clusterfuck of explanations for a whole lot of things.

[The Destroyer]

I'm assuming Ann Arbor, Michigan.

I just hope by some miracle he's not actually dead, but he didn't seem to be moving in that last shot. :(

Knew Jughead was going to factor into it somehow, and nice to get a bit more insight into why exactly the Swan ended up as it did.

[thedamndest]

I thought he said Ann Arbor is where the DI had their facilities and he was researching them.

[Hanso Amore]

I thought he said Ann Arbor is where the DI had their facilities and he was researching them.

Right. They have said that a bunch. But what exactly is the role of Ann Arbor. I want to know more about the DI, and who is pulling the strings. What was he researching in Ann Arbor etc.

So Daniels Parents were Others, Charlotte lived with the DI, Miles dad is Cheng, and Frank was supposed to be the pilot. We finally get some closure on why the freighter peeps were chosen.

[Hanso Amore]

Anyone else ever wonder this?

You only see like 10 houses at the Dharma barracks. Everyone lives alone.

Yet they have like hundreds of workers and members and shit.

[Loose Cannon]

lol yea.


I don't know how you guys can remember all this shit. I totally forget everything and then just read this thread to help me remember.

I am really going to have to watch the whole entire series straight through one of these days.

[The Destroyer]

I always got the feeling Frank was chosen because he knew something was up with the wreck of Oceanic 815 that Widmore faked - sending him off on the freighter was probably a good way to get him out of the way as far as Widmore was concerned, even if Frank didn't actually know who had faked the wreckage. That and he got a good pilot out of it.

Maybe Keamy and co had instructions to get rid of him after they had gotten their hands on Ben, who knows?

[Loose Cannon]

tell me again why Daniel, Miles and co were sent to the island in the first place?

[XL]

Farraday has a background in physics/time and space, something which Widmore knew would be useful/needed on the island.

Charlotte was some kind of archiologist (remember the scene with her finding the Dharma polar bear?) but perhaps more importantly had spent time on the island before.

Miles can communicate with the dead - again a useful tool on the island, and of course was born there.

As for Frank, I think Destroyer's take on it is pretty much accurate. Maybe tie in the idea of destiny - Frank should have ended up on the island in the first place after all.

[Requiem]

Not to mention all of them have direct ties to the island. With exception of Frank. Miles is the son of Dr. Chang, the man who -discovered- the island's properties. Faraday is Widmore's son, and is one of the few who understands the island. Charlotte was on the island as a child.. etc..

[The Destroyer]

I seem to have turned into a giant Lost nerd recently.

I'm still torn on whether this is a good or a bad thing. :-\

[RP]

I agree with Bill Simmons. Matthew Fox is really mailing it in this season. That or they've really killed his charachter.

[The Destroyer]

I think he's meant to be mailing it in - he's gone from the leader of the survivors to a janitor who gets ordered around by Sawyer and every other member of the Dharma Initiative you care to mention after spending years off the island as a messed up oxy addict. Of course he's going to have changed.

I can see him getting back to more like normal now the shit has begun to hit the fan though.

[Requiem]

Especially if there's a chance to undo everything as Faraday thinks. I think Jack kinda had a little ray of hope when he heard that. He might not know what to think right now, but I think once it really sinks in, he is going to take over and get things done.

[wwe2222]

Farraday has a background in physics/time and space, something which Widmore knew would be useful/needed on the island.

Charlotte was some kind of archiologist (remember the scene with her finding the Dharma polar bear?) but perhaps more importantly had spent time on the island before.

Miles can communicate with the dead - again a useful tool on the island, and of course was born there.

As for Frank, I think Destroyer's take on it is pretty much accurate. Maybe tie in the idea of destiny - Frank should have ended up on the island in the first place after all.

ties in with the course correcting stuff we've been hearing about since season 3. Frank was supposed to be on the island and finally ended up there...possibly now for good.

[Hanso Amore]

I think Jack is just enjoying not having everyone need and rely on him, for once he can just be another guy.

[XL]

So, how does everyone see it going?

Will they carry out Farraday's plan thus stopping the events in Season 1 - 4 from happening or not?

Remember that if none of it ever happens none of them ever really meet or become friends. Will Jack be able to let go of Kate? Will Sawyer wanna go back to being the con artist he once was having come so far in terms of personal development? Will Kate wanna return to being on the run/a prisoner? Or will stopping The Incident completely change things in this "alternative" future!?

[The Destroyer]

It would be a cheap way out if they did, to be honest. And something like that is more likely to be at the end of the series, rather than the second to last season.

Although it would also cause a massive paradox, so who knows?

[XL]

Well, yeah, I was talking about "in the end" rather than the end of this season. And, yeah, it kinda would feel like a letdown.

[RoXer]

Who says carrying out Faraday's plan's is what is going to STOP the past events from happening.

Maybe it's what will sstart them.

[Hanso Amore]

Who says carrying out Faraday's plan's is what is going to STOP the past events from happening.

Maybe it's what will sstart them.

You just blew my mind.

[Danny Electric]

So anyone think that maybe Jack was told by Elouise what would happen to Farady on the island and he just went along with Faraday's plan. All to get himself back into the limelight again, this being his 'destiny'.

[Requiem]

This season is fucking awesome.

[Lock Jaw]

There have been zero lulls this season. It all feels like its gone by so quickly as a result.

[LaLa]

Season finale already, that sucks then it will be another year and it will be over. :(

[El Fangel]

Fuck Lost, I am so sick of waiting for more questions

Its a 2:1 fucking ratio! :@

For every question you get answered, 2 spawn

Its an immortal hydra of questions

:'(

This is all too much

:)

[Requiem]

Huh? They have answered a TON of questions this season without creating more. Honestly, people make this show out to be WAY more complicated than it really is. Yeah, it's complex, and yeah there are some unanswered questions still, but a LOT of it makes sense if you pay attention.

[El Fangel]

Maybe its just my impatience ok, fuck. I swear I am going to burn things if they skip a week again.

The last bit of this episode, the last line that Locke says, makes me angry, because now I have to wait a fucking week.

[Requiem]

They do that every week though. And they are not skipping a week. Next week is the season finale. Pretty sure it's two hours, because it starts an hour earlier.

[El Fangel]

Wait, hold on there is only 16 episodes? I thought there were 22...

I am going to have to wait to the fall...

:'(

[Corporate CockSnogger]

17 episodes in season 5 and 6. They're showing the last two episodes together next week like they have done every season.

[CharismaInjection]

If Ben has never seen Jacob, what was 'The Man Behind The Curtain' all about??

[RoXer]

Richard would be the "oldest" right?

And by "oldest" I guess I mean "youngest".

Like say he's from the year 2100 and found his way to the island when it was in the 1800's or something. And he would "never age" because he would never catch up to his "actual time" or whatever.

I dunno. Just thinking out loud. Kinda pointless since next week's episode is the backstory on him anyway.

[ClockShot]

Pretty sweet episode last night. Liked the bit where Locke tells Alpert to go and heal him at the plane.

I've had enough of Kate. Getting sick and tired of her switching sides every single week (and as I have been reading around several tv sites, so are the critics). Either kill her off or chain her to either Sawyer or Jack and let her run with them.

"We'll buy Microsoft. We'll bet the Cowboys in the '78 Super Bowl. We'll be rich." I honestly thought Sawyer would turn around at the dock.

[Loose Cannon]

yea, I thought Sawyer was going to shut the lid on Juliet and leave.

and yes, I have really grown tired of Kate this season. she has been annoying all the way through.

Miles has been my favorite this season.

This has definately been the season of answering questions. Lots of things have been resolved. I like it a lot better then last season.

[XL]

Yeah, I thougt he was gonna slam the lid shut and I also rolled my eyes when Kate turned up.

Pretty nice episode, very excited for next week! Just remembered I have the whole of next week off so I'll be sat ready and waiting to watch it on the net on the Thursday (and no doubt my net will go down the day before!).

[Rob]

I wanna know where Claire is!!!

[Lock Jaw]

I predict she'll be in the finale! Hanging with Jacob or something.

[RoXer]

I guess Chandler BIng will be in the finale

[Lock Jaw]

Just thinking... this show has come so far and turned out so different than the first season. It's like they started it off as one show about people trying to survive on an island and then every season after that things just get progressively messed up and weird.

[Requiem]

I think it's fucking cool. It's as if they've caused the things that have eventually happened to them when they crashed on the island.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I've missed Claire and Charlie this season. Hope they make some more cameos next season.

[Requiem]

If the Claire thing doesn't get explained, I'm gonna be hella pissed. But I have a feeling she is gonna show up either in this last episode, or really early in the next season.

[RP]

How bout the Rose and Benard disappearing off the show thing? They should explain that.

[Requiem]

Yeah, that also. Kinda ticks me off that they just dumped them without even a reference to them.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

They didn't dump Rose and Bernard. They were separated from the rest of the group when the Others captured them in the 50s. So they're probably lost somewhere on the island and will bump into Locke & Co. at some point.

[The Destroyer]

They didn't dump Rose and Bernard. They were separated from the rest of the group when the Others captured them in the 50s. So they're probably lost somewhere on the island and will bump into Locke & Co. at some point.
They're going to be in the season finale, according to the press release detailing the cast of the episodes

Really looking forward to The Incident. Only problem is then the agonising wait until Season Six. :(

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, Rose & Bernard (along with any other random people who still survived from the original crash) are probably just sitting down in the forest somewhere, waiting for one of the important characters to come find them and tell them what to do.

[El Fangel]

I was skimming a world history book last night at my girlfriends place while she was messing around online, found this guy and a short bio in it, thought people might find this guy as very interesting as I have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micheal_Faraday

[RP]

Big night tonight

Someone is gunna die. I'm betting its Hurley.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's going to be amazing no matter what, but I'm really hoping that since they're going to visit Jacob they'll bump into at least one dead cast member on the way there. And not Christian.

[Loose Cannon]

can't wait. starts @ 8, right?

[Loose Cannon]

It's going to be amazing no matter what, but I'm really hoping that since they're going to visit Jacob they'll bump into at least one dead cast member on the way there. And not Christian.

hopefully Chuck

[Hanso Amore]

I am so excited. And I just cant Hide it.

I'm about to lose control.

And you know what?

I think I like it.