Lost - Season 5 - Someone get Jack a drink!

[RP]

I love drunk, pain killer addicted Jack. So many questions. Thing i'm pretty positive about. 1) Jin is alive. Its just logic. He knew the freighter was blowing any second and the helicopter was already gone. There was no time to come back and get him. He surely jumped off the ship. 2) Hurley is still fat. 3) Jack really looked like a bum at the end of season 4. It was great. The slow transformation of Jack from the very first ep to now is amazing. He went from being a good guy, a savior, a guy who didnt want to let people down, but stuck to his morals, to a guy who tried to kill Locke and basically would do anything to get everyone off the island, and in doing so, going against all his morals. Now he's a drunk bum back in the states and apparently ( i forget if they showed why) really did something bad to make Kate hate him. Great stuff.

Things i gotta know. 1) The polar bear that was in the desert when Ben left the island. That was a huge wtf. 2) Is Claire dead or alive or dead and alive? WTF? 3) One thing that someone reminded me of that i went back and watched in the 1st season was the scene where the pilot got killed by the black smoke monster and Kate, Charlie and Jack ran. And Jack came out of nowhere and looked funny and Kate and Charlie wondered where he went. That was weird. I wonder if something was up with that

Also, why didnt Ben kill Widmore? I wonder if Widmore is his constant?

And the Black Rock book that Widmore won at the auction. Whats the deal there. They said no one had read it but the family that owned it.

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[RP]

Jin isnt dead for this reason i think. Why else would Sun go back? She has her baby and she thinks Jin is dead. Something has to make her think Jin is alive, or else she has no reason to return to the Island with the rest of the 5. She wouldnt just go back and leave her child or bring her child for that matter.

Also, i get this sneaking feeling that Sun will be a major badass. Like kicking peoples shit in to look for Jin, type bad ass.

[El Fangel]

I personally dont care and Im sure everyone is pretty much caught up but ya might want to change the title.

MAD PUMPED.

Cant wait, this show left so many questions. I wonder honestly who is still alive. Jin is a fisherman and obviously knew how to swim Sawyer made it back to shore from the freighter, sure Jin could do it also

Cant wait. Also RP have you read the blog in the link Req posted?

[RP]

First.. screw spoilers. If they arent caught up, then they shouldnt be clicking the Season 5 thread.

Sawyer didnt swim it out from the freighter. He jumped off less then half way because the helicopter had too much weight on it.

I read that thing Req posted a long time ago, but i forget it now. He should repost.

[El Fangel]

Well still I think Jin could make it. Cant wait to see.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Isn't it possible that the stuff with Jin running around with the stuffed panda was a flash forward scene? I mean that's what I figured it was. Maybe he got picked up by another boat and brought back to Asia. And then since Sun and her father are going to fight, perhaps Sun's father told Jin that Sun is dead or something.

[RP]

Isn't it possible that the stuff with Jin running around with the stuffed panda was a flash forward scene? I mean that's what I figured it was. Maybe he got picked up by another boat and brought back to Asia. And then since Sun and her father are going to fight, perhaps Sun's father told Jin that Sun is dead or something.

no

He was running an eron ( sp? ) for Sun's dad, aka his boss. It was for some other business guy associate.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I know that. I'm saying perhaps he goes back to work for Sun's dad in the future. And since they foreshadowed a dispute between Sun and her father, perhaps Sun's father will manipulate Jin in some way to have him come back to work.

[El Fangel]

no

He was running an eron ( sp? ) for Sun's dad, aka his boss. It was for some other business guy associate.

Errand.

Also what if Suns dad told Jin she remarried or something but he continued to work for him, without Suns knowledge.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

YEAH

[RP]

No

The whole thing is that Jin think's he has to be Sun's, dads , slave. So these errands are important not to fuck up. I dont think they were foreshadowing, now look. I cant say that for positive because this show has potential to do that, but i think you guys are thinking way outside the box here. Why would Sun not know that Jin is still working for her father even though she thinks he's dead. Wouldnt make much sense after all the stuff they went through after the island.

[RP]

Errand.

Also what if Suns dad told Jin she remarried or something but he continued to work for him, without Suns knowledge.

Nah.

Also another thing. Charlotte could understand Jin and Sun's language. There's something to that. There is a reason she can understand there language. Meaning there is a reason the writers made it so that she understood what they could say. That wasnt just a random thing imo. There's gunna be more there. No one but Sun could translate Jin completley. Now Charlotte can. And she's still on the island. So i'm positive he's alive. No doubt.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's the mob, man. They have all sorts of secret connections. He could be in China or Japan for all we know.

[RP]

That would totally go against what we know about the Jin/ Sun relationship though. Plus they have a kid now. I just cant believe that Jin wouldnt even try to make contact with her.

Watch that episode again. I will. I got it on my computer. It was settled there. It was a tease episode. You were made to believe that it was scene's from after they got off the island and then at the end, it wasnt.

[RP]

The whole episode was made to believe that Jin was trying to buy a bear for HIS son, because Sun was in labor. But at the end, it turned out to be an associate of Sun's dad who he was running an errand for.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

it could've been a double swerve. Like after you watch the episode you're like oh ok Jin's actually dead and that was just a flashback to when he still worked for Sun's father when in actuality it WAS a flash forward but not a flash forward you could've predicted.

[El Fangel]

I like where that discussion is going.

What if...What if...

Suns dad made Jin get that present for his associate while Sun was in labor...

He seems the type of asshole who would do something like that.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'm most excited to see what happens with Linus and Sayid. Gonna be sweeeeeeeeeeet

[Requiem]

First.. screw spoilers. If they arent caught up, then they shouldnt be clicking the Season 5 thread.

Sawyer didnt swim it out from the freighter. He jumped off less then half way because the helicopter had too much weight on it.

I read that thing Req posted a long time ago, but i forget it now. He should repost.

http://www.timelooptheory.com

Still the most solid theory of this show that I've read.

[RP]

" 1. "He changed the rules" According to the theory, in Ben's original timeline, Alex didn't die. When Widmore's men killed Alex, they altered the events that had happened in Ben's original timeline. Ben was completely shocked because he didn't think that Alex could die in the new timeline, given she survived in the original timeline. Thus, he has to balance the universe by trying to make up for her death: Killing Penny."

I like this theory

[RP]

I dont think Ben even knows Desmond. I dont recall a scene with them in it together.

[El Fangel]

Your right, I cant remember one either. Also makes me wonder if Ben resetting the timeline again would cause Jin to be alive if he did die.

[Optimus Bone 69]

Its all getting a wee bit Quantum Leapish people

[Dave Youell]

Ok this whole Sun/Jin thing

As far as I was concerned, it was one in the past for Jin and one in the future for Sun.

You really think if Jin was still working for Sun's Dad that they wouldn't of crossed paths? Even just walking randomly on the streets as he was doing jobs like picking up a teddy bear?

[Hanso Amore]

That theory is pretty good.

I am so pumped for this shit.

The thing I hate about this show is that while I think they had a broad idea of the entire series in the start, but have added and dropped so many things.

Like I honestly doubt we will ever find out why there were dead people in the cave in season 1, or why there was a 4 toed statue, or what the smoke monster really is, and the numbers etc.

[El Fangel]

I think I have posted the before

But the release date for teh Pilot was

Sept 24th

Add 108 days to that and see which day it lands on.

[Hanso Amore]

I think I have posted the before

But the release date for teh Pilot was

Sept 24th

Add 108 days to that and see which day it lands on.

I am missing the relevance...

[El Fangel]

108 days from September 24th is the day I believe they were rescued.

January 8th

1/08

[Rob]

I dont think Ben even knows Desmond. I dont recall a scene with them in it together.

Ben knows everyone.

Weren't they together when the camps decided to split?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

January 10th?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah it's definitely January 10th

[El Fangel]

My bad, I meant the 22nd, Thats the day they crashed. Had to wiki it.

[Hanso Amore]

I am still missing the relevance of the 8th/10th

Call me retarded if I am, but I am just missing any point of it.

[El Fangel]

Write it out as

Month/Day or MM/DD

[Hanso Amore]

Also...Ben is trying to round up everyone who left.

I wonder if that means they need to find Desmond, who is on the run with Penny...

And Ben Wants to Kill penny.

Ooooooooo

What if it is all a ploy to get to Penny...

[Hanso Amore]

Write it out as

Month/Day or MM/DD

0110 or 0108?

Doesnt seem like a huge deal, just a little coincidence.

[El Fangel]

0110 or 0108?

Doesnt seem like a huge deal, just a little coincidence.

Didnt say it was a huge deal, just found it a little neat.

[Hanso Amore]

Didnt say it was a huge deal, just found it a little neat.

oh, my bad,,,I thought it was suppose to blow my mind!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well 108 does have a big part in the show. As you probably already know:

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108

That code must be put into the computer every 108 minutes.

Also 108 is a significant number in Hinduism which seems tied into the Dharma Initiative.

[Hanso Amore]

Well 108 does have a big part in the show. As you probably already know:

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108

That code must be put into the computer every 108 minutes.

Also 108 is a significant number in Hinduism which seems tied into the Dharma Initiative.

Good Shit

Any of you guys have links to sites with all this kind of theories and stuff?

I want to learn way more about Dharma, but will we ever?

[XL]

I will blow a fuse if we don't find out about the Four Toed Statue this season!!

[Hanso Amore]

I just finished watching season 4 again ( I just watched all seasons start to finish) and I have to say that Desmond and Penny and their stories have been the best TV I have seen in years. jesus, the Constant episode is so damn good, and when they finally get together it has been the best moment of this show.

God I hope they play major roles in this coming season.

[RP]

yah that episode gets me every time. I think its because the guy playing Desmond is so huggable that you're rooting for him the whole time. Hopefully there story line dont jump the shark in season 5.

[El Fangel]

Seriously was on the edge of my seat when Desmond was calling. I thought he would get a wrong number to be honest.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, me too. And before they finally got together, I was sure that while they were running towards each other in dramatic fashion that one or both of them would get... spontaneously mauled by a leopard or something.

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah, me too. And before they finally got together, I was sure that while they were running towards each other in dramatic fashion that one or both of them would get... spontaneously mauled by a leopard or something.

Now THAT is Must See TV!

[Rob]

I just finished watching season 4 again ( I just watched all seasons start to finish) and I have to say that Desmond and Penny and their stories have been the best TV I have seen in years.

You obviously never watched The Shield then.

[Hanso Amore]

You obviously never watched The Shield then.

Actually, I havent. Doesnt interest me so much, or at least it didnt...maybe Ill DL it.

[Hanso Amore]

I just re-watched the Constant, and Faraday said something that got me going!

"You cant Change the future"

The Future is set. Time is already laid out. It is destiny.

This is why Ben didnt think they would Kill Alex, and by killing Ale, time was changed, and Widmore Changed the rules.

By leaving the Island, they changed the future, which is why they need to go back. To right the timeline.

The Island is the key to time travel. Ben and the Others are protectors of the timeline. Widmore wants to change history.

[Synopsis]

I just re-watched the Constant, and Faraday said something that got me going!

"You cant Change the future"

The Future is set. Time is already laid out. It is destiny.

This is why Ben didnt think they would Kill Alex, and by killing Ale, time was changed, and Widmore Changed the rules.

By leaving the Island, they changed the future, which is why they need to go back. To right the timeline.

The Island is the key to time travel. Ben and the Others are protectors of the timeline. Widmore wants to change history.

How would they know they changed the future when the future hasnt happend? Unless everything that is happening is actually the past and maybe Ben traveled back in time to change something and now realized the whole future was changed. Maybe this whole thing has happend already and Ben traveled back in time to mess with something (who knows what ) and by doing so changed everything. So he's now traveled back in time again to fix things. He was confident Alex would not have been shot at that moment because he had already lived through that moment and it was a different outcome. But sense things were changed, she was shot.

I dont know if this is making sense.

[Synopsis]

http://www.tmz.com/media/2007/05/0524_lost_jack_end.jpg

GIMME OXY KATE! PLEASEE!!

[Hanso Amore]

How would they know they changed the future when the future hasnt happend? Unless everything that is happening is actually the past and maybe Ben traveled back in time to change something and now realized the whole future was changed. Maybe this whole thing has happend already and Ben traveled back in time to mess with something (who knows what ) and by doing so changed everything. So he's now traveled back in time again to fix things. He was confident Alex would not have been shot at that moment because he had already lived through that moment and it was a different outcome. But sense things were changed, she was shot.

I dont know if this is making sense.

You made sense. And I like it.

But to anwer your question...

Many people look at time as the 4th Dimension, and think of time as a Linear Path. Like some think you cannot change the future because it hasnt happened yet...but some say you CAN change the future, a la Terminator, because it WILL happen. Some take it further (The Book Rant) and suggest time is laid out, and everything is set in place before it happens.

Somehow Ben Knows the future, and how it is suppose to be.

[Requiem]

timelooptheory explains that whole bit.

[XL]

^ What Req said.

[Hanso Amore]

Damn, I thought I was super smart and cool

[Lock Jaw]

I predict that the real ending will be something silly and simple, that disappoints everybody who has all these complicated theories of time loops and aliens and whatever.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So how does death work in this show? Is it a fulfilling your destiny thing or is it a doing the right thing redemptive kinda deal? Cause like the last episode with Michael who tried to kill himself but couldn't finally died after he saved everyone on the boat. Same thing with Charlie. They both expelled their demons by being heroic. But then Mr. Eko had already expelled his demons pretty much but still died.

What are the death theories

[XL]

I've heard theories incorporating what you're getting at (that the Island 'lets them go once they have redeemed themselves) it seems to lend itself to the pergatory theory that I believe has already been rebuffed.

Can't believe Season 5 starts NEXT WEEK!!

[thedamndest]

I hope we see Libby come back in some fashion and explain why she was in the asylum.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

And also it'd be great if Shannon would come back in some fashion, preferably naked.

[Hanso Amore]

And also it'd be great if Shannon would come back in some fashion, preferably blowing me.

I would watch that

[RP]

Worst story line of the whole show was Shannon hooking up with Syad. LOL . I'm sorry, but if i'm stranded on the island, i'm not building fires and catching fish for no hoe i just met 5 days ago or something. If she wants to go in the woods and have a fury fuck, fine. Otherwise she could go fuck herself.

[thedamndest]

"I'm sorry, Boone. I'm going to be banging the shit out of your sister. Fuck off."

[RP]

It wasnt his sister though i thought? Wasnt he fucking her or something? Something real inbread.

[Requiem]

Nah pretty sure that was Boone's sister and he was just really overprotective.

[Hanso Amore]

She was his step sister, he was in love with her, and they fucked one time in Sydney before the flight.

[RP]

yep

[RP]

lol brutal

[RP]

Thats probably why they killed Boone and Shannon off really fast. Because that was such a horrible story idea.

[Requiem]

It was pretty fucking awesome when she got shot though. I was like "LOL Yessss!"

[RP]

Juliet makes these faces sometimes that makes me want to really punch her in the face. Like when the mercs were coming to the island and her and Syad were sitting on the beach talking about whether they thought they were coming to save them. She made this face. And I swear i wanted to choke her. And then have sex with her.

[Requiem]

She was naked and had lesbian sex with Angelina Jolie in Gia.

[RP]

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[RP]

She was naked and had lesbian sex with Angelina Jolie in Gia.

BULL SHIT

[XL]

TRUE SHIT

[RP]

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[Requiem]

Not bull shit. Google it or watch the movie. It's actually a pretty good movie even outside of the lesbian sex.

[XL]

In fact here's a link

http://www.xvideos.com/video60520/angelina_jolie_lesbian_scene

[RP]

yep

That just happend.

[RP]

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Watching this one scene doesnt really do the whole episode justice because you dont see the part where he tells her to answer the phone at that precise moment like 4 years earlier or something and you get the feeling that she thinks he's become a total whack job.

[RP]

the musical score in the backround of that scene is so amazing it practically makes the scene.

[Hanso Amore]

Dude, Juliet is so fucking hot man, it makes me so horny.

Have you seen Running Scared? her and her husband make like kiddy snuff porn!

[RP]

ok GTFO

[Requiem]

I am rewatching the very first episode right now, and I think I'm going to watch all of it again. I forgot how amazing it was at the start.

[Requiem]

I didn't know Greg Grunberg (Matt Parkman on Heroes) was the pilot.

[CSL]

Yeah, he and J.J Abrams are tight

[Requiem]

I forgot about the psychic telling Claire not to let anyone else raise her baby. That changes the whole situation with the baby and Kate.

[Requiem]

LOL

Walt and Hurley playing backgammon.

Walt: Come back! You owe me 20 thousand dollars!

Hurley: You'll get it.

:lol: Never caught that cause it was just something quick and small and you don't find out about Hurley till later.

[RP]

Something i've been wondering is if the Island needs the Oceanic 6 to come back because they were on the plane crash, why doesnt need Walt to come back?

[Requiem]

I think Walt will have something important to do with the story, but I'm not sure what yet.

[CSL]

Walt will definitely be in season 5

[thedamndest]

Maybe it has to do with the way Jack and Co. left. Ben says the island won't let Jack back without everyone who left with him, but Walt left with Michael.

[RP]

But i remember the one black chick who was one of " the other's " saying somthing about how Walts has special powers and they fear him or something along those lines. And thats why they were willing to let him go with Michael. I'm wondering if Walt is a major player in this whole Island story. Maybe something to do with his mother. Remember she got a job and moved away from Michael? Did they ever elaborate on what her job was? If the Walt storyline isnt sured up in a big way before this is all over, I'll be so dissapointed with this series.

[thedamndest]

Yeah, I guess at that point they wouldn't have let Walt go if they weren't done with him. Ben (I think it was Ben that let them go) is always careful with his word choice, but at that point The Others have the situation pretty in hand, so if they needed to wait before giving Michael and Walt the ride home they probably could.

[Requiem]

John Locke is the single greatest television character of all time.

I love watching this all again. Probably the only show I can watch from start to finish a second time and love every single bit of it. I am on episode 18 in season 1 right now, and everything about this show is amazing. Seriously, if people who don't like this show only watched one episode along the way somewhere and didn't like it, then they are doing themselves a disservice. I hate people who scoff or whatever when I mention the show, because they obviously have never watched this show from the beginning.

I remember before season 4 started, a friend was watching this and I was like "EH.. never looked interesting." and they told me I should really watch it from the beginning. So I downloaded it all, and ended up spending a few weeks watching it from the very beginning and I couldn't stop watching. Seriously the greatest show on television.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Technically, since Michael and Charlie (and possibly Jin, although obvioulsy not and if he is I will be so pissed) are dead on the bottom of the ocean and the island is gone, won't they need to go get their bodies and bring them to the island's new location?

[Requiem]

I would assume it was the island that allowed them to die (at least in micheal's situation), thus the island doesn't want them back.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I guess.

I hope Tom makes an appearance this season. He was always my favorite Other.

[thedamndest]

I think the island only wants the six that left as a group, and it's all or none.

I wonder if Widmore will use Walt to get to the island.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

God, I love this show. And I know this is a great show because I watch it with a childlike anticipation and suspension of belief. Normally in shows or movies where everything coincidentally falls into place I'm like "Oh yeah whatever." But in this show where EVERYTHING is like that, even the slightest moments make me go "Holy shit no fucking way." Like even small stuff like finding out Desmond was in the the hatch is so exciting. Although a lot of that excitement may have just been because Desmond is awesome. Probably my favorite character on the show

[thedamndest]

Desmond is definitely my favorite, followed by Ben and Sayid.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

that would probably be my top 3 as well

[Requiem]

I get it now. I forget if timelooptheory explained this exact incident, and I think it might have.

Anyways.. Boone dying was how the island made up for Claire's baby, similar to how Ben was born.. since Boone died at the exact moment that Claire's baby was born.

[RP]

Desmon, locke, jack would be my order. Jack is so fucked up its great.

[RP]

I think one of my favorite scense of the whole series was at the end of season 1 when Sawyer told Jack that he had drinks with his father before he died. That was wild.

[RP]

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[RP]

And i can totally see a scene where Kate ends up dying and Jack and Sawyer are really emotional. Thats how love triangles end in stories like these.

FUCK Kate his hot. She's hot without makeup on the set. I've seen pics. God i want to play baseball with her and then fuck her in the dugout.

[Requiem]

1. Locke
2. Sayid
3. Ben
4. Desmond
5. Jack

my top five, though Sayid and Ben are really even and interchangeable on the list

[Hanso Amore]

Tom is dead I thought?

I really hope Jin is not dead.

Desmond is by far the best character on TV right now....With Ben.

I do like Sayid, but those 2 are just so fucking cool.

I like the Boone/Aaron idea, but then whats up with everyone else dying.

Actually, I am making a change.

Mr. Eko was the best character until he left the show and they had to write him out.

He was the shit.

[Requiem]

I think everyone else was dying either because they served their purpose to the island, or they just didn't have a purpose. IE - there was a reason those people survived, because all of their actions influenced the others' actions in some way, even if it was extremely small. In that particular moment though, the island needed someone to die to make way for the baby.

I think this is best explained with Micheal's situation. The island wouldn't let him die because he still had a purpose. He was still needed to do something which later helped people. Now, obviously the whole 'unable to die if you were alive before' bit isn't foolproof, as shown by Ben's absolute shock in seeing his daughter killed. (I am referencing timelooptheory, because I am 99.9% positive that theory will be the closest of any LOST theory once the show is done)

[Destor]

I don't watch this show, but can some one explain to me how/why they can't build a boat or why this hasn't been the vocal point of the entire show?

[thedamndest]

There are Others living on the island that have actively prevented their escape. They built two boats. One was burned (though it was by the kid) and one resulted in the Others capturing said kid and throwing grenades at them. They aren't sure where they are, so they are hesitant to chance the sea in the first place.

[Requiem]

I don't watch this show, but can some one explain to me how/why they can't build a boat or why this hasn't been the vocal point of the entire show?
Just download and watch it. It is the most 'worth it' show on TV, IMO.

[Requiem]

Done watching the first season again. Gonna watch the first couple episodes of season 2 before I go to bed in a bit.

Edit: Also Destor, there is way more going on than just them trying to survive. It isn't your typical castaways on an island bit. There is some weird shit going on at the island that can't be fully explained without spoiling some of the most amazing parts of this show.

[Requiem]

I screencapped this from the scene where Micheal and Sawyer are on the broken piece of raft. Sawyer is getting ready to swim to the bigger piece of the raft that floats by, and the camera pans down to a shark swimming by.

Never noticed this, and I doubt many people did while watching it on TV.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1060/sharklostpz1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/sharklostpz1.jpg/1/w1680.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img228/sharklostpz1.jpg/1/)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah I noticed that when I was watching the DVD. No idea how it connects to the story though.

[XL]

It's funny sitting here seeing you guys notice some of the random stuff that others caught when the show first aired (e.g. the tagged shark).

And by funny I mean "Ah, that takes me back to when I noticed/had it pointed out to me" rather than funny "LOL at you guy sonly spotting his stuff now".

I better find out about the Four Toed Statue pretty soon!!

[Lock Jaw]

Face it guys. Half the stuff you want answered will never be answered.

[RP]

I WANT THE TRUTH!

[Hanso Amore]

Honestly, all I want to know is what the smoke monster is.

They can tell me what it is then spend the rest of the next few seasons videotaping a home guy Jerk off and I will be happy and still watch

[XL]

Does anyone know of any websites where I can watch this after it airs in the US?

I usually torrent it but that can take an age. SurfTheChannel usually gets links up quickly but they're usually MegaVideo links and you can only watch 72 minutes per sitting (no good for the double episode opener).

This is mainly for a friend of mine who is joining me on the "can't wait til it airs 3 days later in the UK" bandwagon.

[RP]

3 hours of lost tonight. 1st hour is a recap of all 4 seasons and then a 2 hour season premiere of season 5. I'm gunna be so drunk and happy. I might just make it 4 hours and make the first hour me rubbing one off to Kate.

[Requiem]

New episodes on torrents will go fast, as there are usually several thousand people uploading within just a couple hours of them being uploaded.

[XL]

Wait. Season 5 starts tonight in the US?

I thought it was on Thursday nights!?

[Hanso Amore]

Nope, Wednesdays, TONIGHT!

Tonight is the night, is the night of love, together forever is never enough.

Im going to cum for 2 hours straight tonight.

[XL]

AWESOME!

Oh course I'll have to wait til tomoro to download it/find a stream.

[Hanso Amore]

I will be sure to post spoilers here tonight to ruin it for you all.


:)

[Requiem]

Yeah, I think it always starts on Wednesdays for Season premieres. Gonna be watching this shit in HD on a 46" LCD at DS's house. CAN'T FUCKING WAIT. I have been having LOST withdrawals.

[Hanso Amore]

Requiem, I am going to rape your avatar

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Does anyone know of any websites where I can watch this after it airs in the US?

I usually torrent it but that can take an age. SurfTheChannel usually gets links up quickly but they're usually MegaVideo links and you can only watch 72 minutes per sitting (no good for the double episode opener).

This is mainly for a friend of mine who is joining me on the "can't wait til it airs 3 days later in the UK" bandwagon.

ABC streams every episode on their website in great quality. They usually put it up a few minutes after the broadcast.

[XL]

ABC has regional restrictions on its content. I'm in the UK.

[CSL]

XL

1. You can use Hotspot Shield to bypass the region restrictions for sites like ABC, Hulu etc. However, ABC's site has always been a cunt for me and doesn't work very often for me

2. Torrents will work but odds are you'll be waiting about an hour for it to download minumum

3. I use Rapidshare. If you search for 'Lost S505E01/S05E02 Rapidshare' on Google about quarter past/half past 4, you'll find links. Each episode is in about 3 parts and you can only download 1 file/part at a time (unless you have Premium account which will cost you about £3 and is well worth it. Since I've had mine, I haven't used torrents for anything. Download films in 3-4 minutes, little bit less for TV shows)

Me and a mate, bunch of herb/munchies. Gonna watch the finale from last season in a bit too. Been waiting for 8 fucking months. LEGENDARY

[Hanso Amore]

Im not going to spoil it at all, but I am 44 minutes into a 2 hour show and my fucking mind is blown.

Do whatever it takes to watch this.

[RP]

LOL @ " Why is there a dead Pakastani on my couch! "

[wwe2222]

Its amazing this show can keep pushing the limits like this and be so kick ass.

[Rob]

get some links up for us moochers now please!!

[Boondock Saint]

Loved it.

[ClockShot]

Pretty good opener last night.

[Requiem]

YESSSSSSSS

<spoiler>Timelooptheory, here we goooo</spoiler>

[Impact!]

If you click the image on the shark it's got an easter egg (obviously if you're wathing it on your computer from the DVD)

[Requiem]

What is the easter egg, for those of us who don't have it on DVD?

[Blitz]

Love the idea of the island "skipping". Much more interesting then if they were just stuck in the static past or future.

[Requiem]

I loved how it started with the record skipping in that asian guy's room. Also thought it was cool how they focused on him for a couple minutes.

[wwe2222]

Love the idea of the island "skipping". Much more interesting then if they were just stuck in the static past or future.

:y: same here. Plus it opens up so many possibilities to show events that happened on the island such as Adam and Eve, Rousseau's team, the original island inhabitants, etc.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So is Richard immortal or a spirit or what's going on here

Also Locke is apparently not dead, or at least not permanently dead. Dunno how they're going to explain that but I'm sure my brain won't be able to comprehend it.

[The Mask]

same way jack's dad undied when he came to the island probably.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That'd be pretty gay if they went that route. And if they're foreshadowing him coming back which they never did with any of the other deaths, it better be different.

[loopydate]

I never thought I could kill a man with my dishwasher. Sayid proved me wrong.

[RP]

So is Richard immortal or a spirit or what's going on here

Also Locke is apparently not dead, or at least not permanently dead. Dunno how they're going to explain that but I'm sure my brain won't be able to comprehend it.

I dunno for sure, but he seriously gave me this calming feeling. Like " Oh thank God Richard found Locke". I hope Richard is a good spirit type person and not someone who is actually evil. Cause i really like Richard alot.

One thing that i dont understand. Now i dont know if the writers messed up or if i missed something, but the scene where Farraday talks to Desmond in the past. Well if i remember correctly. The guy that Desmond shared the bunker with, was making him believe that you couldnt go outside and breath the air. Then Desmond followed him one day and realized it was a lie and the guy was just trying to fix his boat so he could sail off the island. And Desmond ended up killing him.

Ok so, why would Desmond answer Farraday in the yellow suit and oxygen mask thing? He was presumably alone because he asked if Farraday was his replacement. So it would have been after he killed his partner. Which means he would have known the air was fine?

Did i miss something here?

[Hanso Amore]

I dunno for sure, but he seriously gave me this calming feeling. Like " Oh thank God Richard found Locke". I hope Richard is a good spirit type person and not someone who is actually evil. Cause i really like Richard alot.

One thing that i dont understand. Now i dont know if the writers messed up or if i missed something, but the scene where Farraday talks to Desmond in the past. Well if i remember correctly. The guy that Desmond shared the bunker with, was making him believe that you couldnt go outside and breath the air. Then Desmond followed him one day and realized it was a lie and the guy was just trying to fix his boat so he could sail off the island. And Desmond ended up killing him.

Ok so, why would Desmond answer Farraday in the yellow suit and oxygen mask thing? He was presumably alone because he asked if Farraday was his replacement. So it would have been after he killed his partner. Which means he would have known the air was fine?

Did i miss something here?

Damn, Nice catch. You are right.

[El Fangel]

I loved how it started with the record skipping in that asian guy's room. Also thought it was cool how they focused on him for a couple minutes.

Show of hands who thought it may have been Jin?

Love the idea of the island "skipping". Much more interesting then if they were just stuck in the static past or future.

:y:

I dunno for sure, but he seriously gave me this calming feeling. Like " Oh thank God Richard found Locke". I hope Richard is a good spirit type person and not someone who is actually evil. Cause i really like Richard alot.

One thing that i dont understand. Now i dont know if the writers messed up or if i missed something, but the scene where Farraday talks to Desmond in the past. Well if i remember correctly. The guy that Desmond shared the bunker with, was making him believe that you couldnt go outside and breath the air. Then Desmond followed him one day and realized it was a lie and the guy was just trying to fix his boat so he could sail off the island. And Desmond ended up killing him.

Ok so, why would Desmond answer Farraday in the yellow suit and oxygen mask thing? He was presumably alone because he asked if Farraday was his replacement. So it would have been after he killed his partner. Which means he would have known the air was fine?

Did i miss something here?

I just finished watching, I came here to post this, you beat me to it.

[CharismaInjection]

If you watch Man of Science, Man of Faith, Desmond still injects himself with the andidote, meaning he is still unsure.
I think he was thinking it was best to be safe than sorry when speaking to Faraday.
He made up his mind finally when Locke assured him they'd been there two months and no one was sick.

[El Fangel]

If you watch Man of Science, Man of Faith, Desmond still injects himself with the andidote, meaning he is still unsure.
I think he was thinking it was best to be safe than sorry when speaking to Faraday.
He made up his mind finally when Locke assured him they'd been there two months and no one was sick.

Another great point.

I would like to add to this, that upon killing the man who was there with him. I think Desmond would most likely be freaked at someone banging on his door thinking he was alone on the island which would give good reason why he would wear the suit and bring a gun.

Again though nice catch RP.

[El Fangel]

Also, the first episode seemed a little short could someone verify the two endings for me (for 1st and 2nd episode)

1st - Desmond on Boat saying they are going to Oxford
2nd - Ben and the woman leader talking and him asking if he cant get them all back on the island.

[Requiem]

So is Richard immortal or a spirit or what's going on here

Also Locke is apparently not dead, or at least not permanently dead. Dunno how they're going to explain that but I'm sure my brain won't be able to comprehend it.

IMO, Richard is just like the other 'others'. They've been resetting back in time for a long time and thus do not age. There was a point when the others were talking and someone said "Remember when we used to celebrate birthdays" or something like that. They have been there so long probably that most of them should be pretty old by now, if not dead, yet they have not aged except internally. (IE - the woman with the 80 or so year old womb)

Basically, back when he visited Locke as a child, he was at the age he went onto the island. He has just stayed the same age, only aging when they leave the island (as they are able to do). Richard seems like a very important character, so it is not surprising that he is able to come and go as he pleases, just like Ben.

Richard is one of my favorite 'non-major' characters though. Pretty cool guy, and I hope he gets to be in the spotlight for a while this season.

[Hanso Amore]

I think Richard was meant to be a huge part of the show....as was Mr. Eko, before they both left for other shows. But Cane failed, so Richard is back and can finally play his role.

[Requiem]

I have faith that this show is going to have a brilliant ending. They don't really have to rush anything, because they know exactly how many seasons they're doing now. Also, Jack is the only actor who knows the ending besides the upper echelon guys in the studio.

[Hanso Amore]

Im guessing Jack dies or some crazy shit if Matthew Fox is in the loop.

[Hanso Amore]

Anyone else think there were way too many people in the 70s Dharma Initiative......Like, what happened to the construction guys....they didnt seem to be in on it....where did they go and why havent they ever talked?

[RP]

I bet Jack ends up on the Island alone at the end.

[Hanso Amore]

I bet Jack wakes up on the plane, and it was all a dream!

Book it, we will get fucked with that

[El Fangel]

Im not sure about this, but when the time was skipping back and forth for Locke at the plane. I think for Sawyers group the hatch was imploded.

Wouldnt the plane that Locke was leaning against have been burned out?

[Hanso Amore]

Im not sure about this, but when the time was skipping back and forth for Locke at the plane. I think for Sawyers group the hatch was imploded.

Wouldnt the plane that Locke was leaning against have been burned out?

I think the Plane gets burned after the Hatch, shortly before Eko dies me thought.

[wwe2222]

Anyone else think there were way too many people in the 70s Dharma Initiative......Like, what happened to the construction guys....they didnt seem to be in on it....where did they go and why havent they ever talked?

I assume they were killed by Hostiles at some point or died in the Purge along with everyone else.

[wwe2222]

I think Richard was meant to be a huge part of the show....as was Mr. Eko, before they both left for other shows. But Cane failed, so Richard is back and can finally play his role.

I believe they've signed Nestor Carbonell who plays Richard to a deal so he wont disappear from the story anymore.

Mr. Eko wanted to leave the show as did the actress who played Rousseau (or so I read).

I love his character and was upset when he left to be on Cane. Thank goodness that got canceled.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Anyone else thinking Ms Hawking is Faradays mother?

[Hanso Amore]

I thought the same thing, but the way Ben got to her within minutes of being in LA, I dont think she is in Oxford.

[Hanso Amore]

And faradays mom is in Oxford.

I think Hawking will end up being some kind of Keeper of Time, and Ben is a servant.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Yeah that was the only downside to my theory about that aswell. But wasn't the scene when Desmond woke up with Penny on the boat not long after the O6 got back to the 'real world', whereas the scene with Ms Hawking and Ben was 3 years after that, so maybe Desmond has already found her by this point and since then she's moved.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

IMO, Richard is just like the other 'others'. They've been resetting back in time for a long time and thus do not age. There was a point when the others were talking and someone said "Remember when we used to celebrate birthdays" or something like that. They have been there so long probably that most of them should be pretty old by now, if not dead, yet they have not aged except internally. (IE - the woman with the 80 or so year old womb)

Basically, back when he visited Locke as a child, he was at the age he went onto the island. He has just stayed the same age, only aging when they leave the island (as they are able to do). Richard seems like a very important character, so it is not surprising that he is able to come and go as he pleases, just like Ben.

Richard is one of my favorite 'non-major' characters though. Pretty cool guy, and I hope he gets to be in the spotlight for a while this season.

Yeah but Richard appears to be something above the rest of the Others. Like how in the last episode he knew Locke was shot but Locke never told him. The writers on this show have never been subtle about foreshadowing so I have to assume that this scene means Richard is something special.

[thedamndest]

I wonder what's going to happen with Hurley. I mean it could be nothing, but why go to the trouble of bringing back Ana Lucia and warning him specifically not to get arrested only to have him turn himself in to the police?

[El Fangel]

Yeah that was the only downside to my theory about that aswell. But wasn't the scene when Desmond woke up with Penny on the boat not long after the O6 got back to the 'real world', whereas the scene with Ms Hawking and Ben was 3 years after that, so maybe Desmond has already found her by this point and since then she's moved.

Everyone posts my thoughts like 2 hours before I get it worked out in my head. Well here is my thoughts.

Ms Hawking is Faradays mother, when you see Ben with her this is circa 3 years after the Oceanic 6 made it off the island.

I am guessing/theorizing that what happened is Faraday told Desmond to go to Oxford, which he did I am guessing. (I guessing he met with Ms Hawking then shortly after in off island time we see Ben talking to Ms Hawking about bringing them back)

I am guessing that Ms Hawking knows for things to correct themselves on the island, all the people who were on the island before it moved has to be back on the island for the timeline to correct itself, I think it keeps skipping because when it resets to a different time, there is a flaw in the timeline (the oceanic 6 missing) so it again tries to reset itself to correct the island, but that wont happen unless the oceanic 6, including Locke and Ben also has to be on the island for when the island resets (moves in time) looking for the right time where the oceanic six where on the island. It wont find this as they are not on the island in any time period anymore, so the island will continue to move back and forth until the oceanic six are returned to the island.

I am guessing Ms Hawkings comment refers to what will happen if they are not all returned. Which I think is.

During the episode the constant, Desmond starts to die because he does not have a constant yet.

During the second episode, we see Faradays girl with a nose-bleed, which foreshawows what will happen ala desmond in the constant.

Ms Hawking knows that the island will continue resetting or trying to fix itself until the oceanic six are back on the island, which is doing to all the current inhabitants on the island what happened to Desmond during "The Constant" she knows in a short while, without constants these people will die.

Which is why she tells Ben he has only 70 hours (roughly a few days like Desmond had) before time runs out (the island inhabitants die)

Thats my guess, I would love for you to tell me what you think

[wwe2222]

Yeah but Richard appears to be something above the rest of the Others. Like how in the last episode he knew Locke was shot but Locke never told him. The writers on this show have never been subtle about foreshadowing so I have to assume that this scene means Richard is something special.

from Lostpedia...

"In the Season 3 DVD commentary for "The Man from Tallahassee", Richard Alpert is described as someone who is not interested in leading the Others but is very influential in finding and selecting a leader. In the commentary for "The Man from Tallahassee", he is described as being similar to a Panchen Lama choosing the next Dalai Lama. He and Ben keep each other in "check" by having the power to pick/veto each other's replacement on the Island. Ben's role would be to pick the next Panchen, should the need arise. This keeps the two in a sort of balanced power relationship. They are allies, yet they have some measure of control over the other should one get out of hand."

also...
"Richard is the only living Other known to have belonged to the Hostiles who has been identified by name."

Im not sure if Richard is one of the original inhabitans of the island, but I imagine most of them are like him, except he just happens to be the one with the most power (among the original Hostiles)

[wwe2222]

Everyone posts my thoughts like 2 hours before I get it worked out in my head. Well here is my thoughts.

Ms Hawking is Faradays mother, when you see Ben with her this is circa 3 years after the Oceanic 6 made it off the island.

I am guessing/theorizing that what happened is Faraday told Desmond to go to Oxford, which he did I am guessing. (I guessing he met with Ms Hawking then shortly after in off island time we see Ben talking to Ms Hawking about bringing them back)


Actually Penny mentions after Desmond wakes up from his dream that he has been off the Island for three years already. That presumably puts him in the same time frame as Ben visiting Hawking.

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah that was the only downside to my theory about that aswell. But wasn't the scene when Desmond woke up with Penny on the boat not long after the O6 got back to the 'real world', whereas the scene with Ms Hawking and Ben was 3 years after that, so maybe Desmond has already found her by this point and since then she's moved.

When he wakes up Penny mentions it has been 3 years...so it is current.

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah but Richard appears to be something above the rest of the Others. Like how in the last episode he knew Locke was shot but Locke never told him. The writers on this show have never been subtle about foreshadowing so I have to assume that this scene means Richard is something special.

Richard tells Locke that Locke told him where he would be....so like Locke will jump, and tell Richard to be in that field at that time to remove the bullet...So locke sets it up, but it hasnt happened yet.

Kind of a Bill and Ted moment...

[Hanso Amore]

I wonder what's going to happen with Hurley. I mean it could be nothing, but why go to the trouble of bringing back Ana Lucia and warning him specifically not to get arrested only to have him turn himself in to the police?

I think somehow Cops are going to be working for Widmore.

[Hanso Amore]

Actually Penny mentions after Desmond wakes up from his dream that he has been off the Island for three years already. That presumably puts him in the same time frame as Ben visiting Hawking.

Right.

Which basically blows the Faradays mom thing out of the water.

it couldstill happen, but I am thinking Faradays mom will be on the side of the Losties, where as Hawking is seemingly with the Others/Ben, whom I am thinking more and more are some kind of Time Line Guardians, or perhaps people that have gone back in time and need to make sure nothing changes so that that time can get back to the future where they left.

Like if the world changes before they originally left, they cease to exist...

[El Fangel]

I said that when Penny and Desmond are on the boat its shortly before (maybe a few days or less) what is happening in the first 2 episodes of season 5.

To put this in perspective as not to get it confused. (using my own dates)

January 1st/2000 - Oceanic six leave the island
December 27th/2002 - Faraday tells Desmond to talk to his Mom
December 31st/2002 - Desmond talks to Ms Hawking (Faradays mom) tells her what is going on
January 1st/2003 - Ms Hawlkin/Ben/Locke all try to get the six back to the island

[thedamndest]

Your dates are off. They leave the island in 2004. Desmond has his dream three years later, so presumably that's when he goes to Oxford. Same with everybody trying to get back to the island. As far as Faraday talking to Desmond, I don't know. Probably after he killed the other guy since he was so paranoid about another person showing up.

[El Fangel]

I said that when Penny and Desmond are on the boat its shortly before (maybe a few days or less) what is happening in the first 2 episodes of season 5.

To put this in perspective as not to get it confused. (using my own dates)

January 1st/2000 - Oceanic six leave the island
December 27th/2002 - Faraday tells Desmond to talk to his Mom
December 31st/2002 - Desmond talks to Ms Hawking (Faradays mom) tells her what is going on
January 1st/2003 - Ms Hawlkin/Ben/Locke all try to get the six back to the island

Your dates are off. They leave the island in 2004. Desmond has his dream three years later, so presumably that's when he goes to Oxford. Same with everybody trying to get back to the island. As far as Faraday talking to Desmond, I don't know. Probably after he killed the other guy since he was so paranoid about another person showing up.

I said using my own dates as perspective. What I am saying is in sequence of events in a normal timeline, this happened

Faraday talked to Desmond in the past
Desmond has his "flashback"
Desmond talks to Faradays mom/Ms Hawking
Ms Hawking/Ben/Locke attempt to get the O6 back on the island

[thedamndest]

Yeah, but you could just use the dates the show gives.

[El Fangel]

Yeah, but you could just use the dates the show gives.

I couldnt remember the exact dates. :-\

[thedamndest]

I KNEW IT!

I've been reading lostpedia like crazy, probably gonna have to rewatch episodes soon enough. I didn't remember Ms. Hawking at all. I just thought she was some random Jedi lady who liked her scented candles and pendulums. Yeah, gonna need to rewatch.

[wwe2222]

I KNEW IT!

I've been reading lostpedia like crazy, probably gonna have to rewatch episodes soon enough. I didn't remember Ms. Hawking at all. I just thought she was some random Jedi lady who liked her scented candles and pendulums. Yeah, gonna need to rewatch.

I could spend hours on lostpedia. It really adds to the enjoyment of the show because it gives you so many little things you wouldnt always catch.

[El Fangel]

Lostpedia? Links bitches and rep will be giveth.

[thedamndest]

Type "lostpedia.com" into your browser and press enter.

[Requiem]

Yeah but Richard appears to be something above the rest of the Others. Like how in the last episode he knew Locke was shot but Locke never told him. The writers on this show have never been subtle about foreshadowing so I have to assume that this scene means Richard is something special.

This seemed pretty straightforward to me. The compass pointed toward Locke, in case you didn't notice, and he told Locke to give it to him when he saw him next even though he wouldn't know who he was. This says to me that Locke get sent back in time, and gives the compass to Richard and tells him about what happens, which is how Richard finds him later.

[Hanso Amore]

This seemed pretty straightforward to me. The compass pointed toward Locke, in case you didn't notice, and he told Locke to give it to him when he saw him next even though he wouldn't know who he was. This says to me that Locke get sent back in time, and gives the compass to Richard and tells him about what happens, which is how Richard finds him later.

Yup.

[thedamndest]

I thought Richard just took the compass out of his pocket and gave it to Locke. Maybe it's just Richard's compass and he knows it will convince his other self that Locke is telling the truth. He shouldn't have had any trouble locating Locke in physical location because when Locke tells him where he is with the bullet in his leg, he will tell him to look by the plane. Locke doesn't know the time, so the question is, has Richard been coming every night to check for a bleeding Locke?

Also, did anyone else not believe Sun when she said she forgave Kate? She will have to return to the island, but if Ben is right in front of her, she would have the opportunity to kill him then. Could that mean that she and Widmore now want to possess the island?

I am pretty convinced that Jack is Jacob.

[wwe2222]

I thought Richard just took the compass out of his pocket and gave it to Locke. Maybe it's just Richard's compass and he knows it will convince his other self that Locke is telling the truth. He shouldn't have had any trouble locating Locke in physical location because when Locke tells him where he is with the bullet in his leg, he will tell him to look by the plane. Locke doesn't know the time, so the question is, has Richard been coming every night to check for a bleeding Locke?

Also, did anyone else not believe Sun when she said she forgave Kate? She will have to return to the island, but if Ben is right in front of her, she would have the opportunity to kill him then. Could that mean that she and Widmore now want to possess the island?

I am pretty convinced that Jack is Jacob.


About the compass...if you go watch Cabin Fever, Richard asks young Locke which of these items are already yours. There are also pictures of the smoke monsters on the wall. I originally thought they were young Locke predicting the future, but I think it makes more ense if Richard had already met older Locke before going to see young Locke.

Maybe he is trying to get him to the island sooner rather than later.

[Hanso Amore]

About the compass...if you go watch Cabin Fever, Richard asks young Locke which of these items are already yours. There are also pictures of the smoke monsters on the wall. I originally thought they were young Locke predicting the future, but I think it makes more ense if Richard had already met older Locke before going to see young Locke.

Maybe he is trying to get him to the island sooner rather than later.

Maybe Locke's consciousness leaves his body, which is why he "dies" and Richard is trying to find him in time. It seems like his adults memories are present in his youth in a sense.

Also...What were the Kids names that were taken from the tail section?

I am joining the wagon of peeps who think Charlotte is the child of a Dharma person, and that Miles is the baby in the beginning of the season, that Professors kid. That is their stake in the big picture. Faraday is involved because of all the time traveling, now we just need to figure out Lapidus's motives, other than being the guy that was suppose to be on the plane.

[Hanso Amore]

I thought Richard just took the compass out of his pocket and gave it to Locke. Maybe it's just Richard's compass and he knows it will convince his other self that Locke is telling the truth. He shouldn't have had any trouble locating Locke in physical location because when Locke tells him where he is with the bullet in his leg, he will tell him to look by the plane. Locke doesn't know the time, so the question is, has Richard been coming every night to check for a bleeding Locke?

Also, did anyone else not believe Sun when she said she forgave Kate? She will have to return to the island, but if Ben is right in front of her, she would have the opportunity to kill him then. Could that mean that she and Widmore now want to possess the island?

I am pretty convinced that Jack is Jacob.

I think that Sun will betray them for her revenge at some point....I think it will build to that over the season.

[Hanso Amore]

I thought Richard just took the compass out of his pocket and gave it to Locke. Maybe it's just Richard's compass and he knows it will convince his other self that Locke is telling the truth. He shouldn't have had any trouble locating Locke in physical location because when Locke tells him where he is with the bullet in his leg, he will tell him to look by the plane. Locke doesn't know the time, so the question is, has Richard been coming every night to check for a bleeding Locke?

Also, did anyone else not believe Sun when she said she forgave Kate? She will have to return to the island, but if Ben is right in front of her, she would have the opportunity to kill him then. Could that mean that she and Widmore now want to possess the island?

I am pretty convinced that Jack is Jacob.

Perhaps. Can Jack be a short name for Jacob?

[wwe2222]

Maybe Locke's consciousness leaves his body, which is why he "dies" and Richard is trying to find him in time. It seems like his adults memories are present in his youth in a sense.

Also...What were the Kids names that were taken from the tail section?

I am joining the wagon of peeps who think Charlotte is the child of a Dharma person, and that Miles is the baby in the beginning of the season, that Professors kid. That is their stake in the big picture. Faraday is involved because of all the time traveling, now we just need to figure out Lapidus's motives, other than being the guy that was suppose to be on the plane.

Not totally sold on Miles being the baby, but cant rule it out. Plus, he is the only one who hasnt really been given a purpose as to why he is there yet. I hope Frank figures into it somehow just because I want to see his character back in some way. After last season ended, I figured he would be the one who transports them back to the island because he'd be the only person they could trust flying them in some fashion back to the island.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Actually Penny mentions after Desmond wakes up from his dream that he has been off the Island for three years already. That presumably puts him in the same time frame as Ben visiting Hawking.

Ah my bad, guess I missed that.

[RP]

what the hell ever happend to Harper Stanhope?

[Hanso Amore]

Goodwins wife?

[thedamndest]

Perhaps. Can Jack be a short name for Jacob?

According to google, yes. It would explain why Christian and Claire communicate with Jacob.

[wwe2222]

According to google, yes. It would explain why Christian and Claire communicate with Jacob.

Could it be that this is why Jack wasnt on Jacob's original list? Because he wouldnt put himself on the list?

[Hanso Amore]

According to google, yes. It would explain why Christian and Claire communicate with Jacob.

What about Hurley?

[thedamndest]

I'm not quite sure about that one. Jacob obviously has the power to reveal himself to anyone he wants, and when Hurley told Ben he had seen the cabin, Ben was pretty shocked. Right now, to me, what it explains is why Jacob uses Jack's relatives as his avatars on or off the island.

[thedamndest]

Could it be that this is why Jack wasnt on Jacob's original list? Because he wouldnt put himself on the list?

I totally forgot about that. That is a good call.

[Hanso Amore]

Word.

I just hope we dont get Indiana Jonesed with Aliens and shit!

[thedamndest]

I really wish it made the "WHOOOOOOOSH" sound when I remembered some important memory.

I might even stick around for Life on Mars after Lost. WHO KNOWS?

[Hanso Amore]

wow, holy shit

[ClockShot]

And it's all gonna come together in a nice little bow.

Less or zero Hurley = great episode.

[Hanso Amore]

So that is why Richard visited Locke as a kid! AND HOLY SHIT, Widmore was an Other. My thoughts is that he is banished for some reason, and wants to get back or take the Island. Anyways, we know a bit more about how he is involved.

I dont know what is up with Charlotte...I hope she doesnt die.

Desmond named his kid after Charlie :)

Richard as a character really opens so many cool ideas. I cant wait to see where they go!

[Hanso Amore]

Oh, and it is looking good for Hawking to be Faradays mom. I thought there was no chance.

[Blitz]

Amazing ep. I love Richard Alpert. Also, young Widmore was a nice surprise that I didn't see coming.

[Lock Jaw]

Richard's eyelashes scare me.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That Widmore thing was so subtle but inside I'm all "HOLY FUCKING SHIT"

[Shaggy]

Everytime I see Richard the first thing I noticed is that he is cleanly shaven...

[Requiem]

I am pretty sure the Charlotte thing is her not having a constant in -that- time, because of how they entered the island or something. I forget the intricacies of it, but I am pretty sure that's why it isn't happening to Faraday, because he went and talked to Desmond. Miles on the other hand, I'm confused about. I would think he would need a constant, but then again he is really weird and has some strange spiritual connections so maybe that is why nothing is happening to him.

[thedamndest]

Yeah, Miles, could be Chang's son, so if he's been to the island before that could be his constant. I wasn't sure if Faraday actually loved Charlotte or he was just trying to do whatever he could to give her a constant.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So who is Sawyer's constant?

[Requiem]

Why would Sawyer need a constant?

Pretty sure the details of the constant had to do with how they entered the island.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Really? I thought it just had to do with traveling through time.

If it's how they entered the island then shouldn't the same thing happen to Lapidus and Sayid since they were in the helicopter with Desmond?

[thedamndest]

Not sure, but it seems like we're dealing with two different types of time travel here. In the initial case it was only Desmond's mind that traveled from his body from the different points in 2004 and 1996. In the second case there seems to be actual physical time travel involved, as none of the people were actually on the island in 1954 and so on.

With regards to Supreme, I am guessing the reason Desmond is the only one who experienced the "side effects" on the island is because he was already prone to them, and so when they went off course a bit it triggered his mind to unstick in time. In the case of the survivors, seeing the light when Ben turned the wheel may have been all that was necessary for their type of time travel.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

so then wouldnt all the people in the time warp be prone to the same problems and not just Faraday's crew

[thedamndest]

Maybe they are each others' constant.

[RP]

Could Desmond and Penny be Charlies mom and dad?

[RP]

Great episode. Love Richard. I hope he's not a bad guy. Everything is looping. Its like it all happend before. Locke told Richard to go meet him when he's born. So thats why Richard is there when Locke is born and thats why Richard asked Locke to choose between all those items he laid on the table. Because Lock came to him in 1954 and told him that he'd be his leader.

I'm willing to bet Desmond and Penny didnt just name there kid after Charlie. Unless Charlies brother was the older brother? I thought Charlie was the older brother.

I dunno total mind fuck and i love it.

[Hanso Amore]

Could Desmond and Penny be Charlies mom and dad?

They would have had to already have another kid to be Charlies band mate iolder bro.

[Hanso Amore]

What happened to Desmond didn't happen to Frank or Sayid because Desmond had been exposed to severe Electromagnetic energy with the hatch blowing up. The first thing Daniel asks is if he has been exposed to that stuff.

I see what you mean with the constant thing...but they need to actually talk. Miles might be able to get by with Ghosts, and Daniel has already met up with Desmond, so that could mean why Danielle is sick.

[wwe2222]

about Mrs. Hawkings...

So the young girl Daniel encounters on the island is probably his mother as a younger woman. I have a suspicion that Widmore might end up being his father, and they both get cast out of the island for related reasons.

[wwe2222]

They would have had to already have another kid to be Charlies band mate iolder bro.

Random, but in the scene where Charlie learns how to swim, you can hear someone say 'Desmond' in the background.

However, I think the name was just a tribute to Charlie. (funny coincidence between Charlie and Charles: same name, yet one keeps them apart and one got them together)

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Could Desmond and Penny be Charlies mom and dad?

This was my first thought when they said his name was Charlie, but Charlies dads name is Simon Pace and his mother Megan Pace. I know that doesn't mean much at all in Lost but I think the Charlie thing was more of a homage than anything else.

I also love how important Faraday is becoming, he's fast becoming a favourite of mine.

Young Widmore was a shock to me and it was great, although I wasn't too keen on the guys acting.

[Requiem]

Anyone else notice that Faraday talks like Jim (from The Office) does when he's keeping his voice down? :lol:

Also, Faraday and Richard are awesome. Hope Richard especially has a lot to do with this season.

[XL]

Not seen a lot mentioned as to how Faraday could appear on the island back in the 70s looking no younger than he does today.

Are we to assume that the scene took place after one of the flashes had landed him there or has he been time travelling before?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Not seen a lot mentioned as to how Faraday could appear on the island back in the 70s looking no younger than he does today.

Are we to assume that the scene took place after one of the flashes had landed him there or has he been time travelling before?

I would say it's after these time flashes and maybe they're stuck in one time for a long period (as Faraday said, the flashes can occur anywhere from 5 minutes to 5,000 years).

Also when Ellie said to him "You just couldn't stay away, could you?" he seemed really confused. Then again that could just be his forgetful nature (i.e. not knowing why he was crying at the news report of the crash)

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Also I would put money on what wwe2222 said being true about Ellie = Ms Hawking = Faradays mother. Especially seeing as Hawkings first name was revealed to be Eloise (also the name of Faradays rat) by the writers.

[Hanso Amore]

Also I would put money on what wwe2222 said being true about Ellie = Ms Hawking = Faradays mother. Especially seeing as Hawkings first name was revealed to be Eloise (also the name of Faradays rat) by the writers.

OH yeah, Nice!

[Lock Jaw]

Who the hell is Ms. Hawking and where have we seen her before? Is she that lady who was with Ben and the big swinging pendulum telling him they were all doomed and stuff?

[thedamndest]

Yeah. She is in Flashes Before Your Eyes working in the jewelery shop and then telling Desmond about the nature of the universe.

[XL]

Also when Ellie said to him "You just couldn't stay away, could you?" he seemed really confused. Then again that could just be his forgetful nature (i.e. not knowing why he was crying at the news report of the crash)
I think that's what the writers wanted us to think. However, I'm pretty sure that the 'you' she is talking about isn't exclusive to Daniel, she was talking about them being part of the US Army.

I think it became more apparent as the episode went on. The army had been there, the Others had killed them yet they still sent more people.

I'd bank on the Ellie = Eloise Hawking = Faraday's mother link though.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah. She is in Flashes Before Your Eyes working in the jewelery shop and then telling Desmond about the nature of the universe.

Ahhhhh... I remember that lady now.

[XL]

Also, I'm having trouble trying to get my friend to understand how Locke can be alive on the island and dead in LA.

I've tried explaining that we are essentially seeing two different times. The island stuff is anchored in 2004/5 (a few months after the plane crashed) even though the characters are skipping back and forth through time. Where as the stuff in LA is happening in "present day" (3 years on from the island).

Therefore, somewhere in the 3 years Locke will leave for LA where he will end up dead one way or another - which I imagine we will see before this season is done.

Any advice on how to explain this concept in even simpler terms?

(PS Please bear in mind that I took it down the level where I said "It's like this...I am sat in the pub with you here tonight, 3 years ago I would have been away at Uni. There's no confusion as to how I'm in "two places at once" cos they're two different times.")

[Lock Jaw]

The stuff on the island is three years ago from the perspective of the stuff happening off the island. This has been stated.

[XL]

That's what I've told him (as suggested in my post). I don't get how he doesn't get it, he's an intelligent guy.

[Lock Jaw]

Oh. I completely missed the part where you're explaining it to someone else.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah if I were you I would just not be that guy's friend anymore.

[thedamndest]

Try using colored gummy bears?

[El Fangel]

Jesus widmore, fucking christ, young widmore, charlie named desmonds son, h-bomb, constants, I fucking love this show. goodnight.

[XL]

Try using colored gummy bears?
We already tried drawing it out on paper, so this might have to be the route.

I really don't understand at what point I'm not making it clear to him how simple this is. I'm fairly sure it goes beyond not understanding and he thinks that I don't get what he's getting at or that I am confused.

[Requiem]

I think that h-bomb has something to do with the hatch, but nobody I know thinks that.

[thedamndest]

I agree. I just re-watched Man of Science, Man of Faith and when Jack is pointing his flashlight at the walls, he sees a bunch of buckets of dried concrete. So it could be that the hatch's original intention was to bury the bomb and then they discovered the property and built all the other stuff.

[XL]

I kinda figured that it was implied that the bomb was the reason for the Swan hatch (that's the original hatch right?).

[El Fangel]

I dont believe this has been brought up yet.

Anyone else think that Penny and Daniel are bro/sis or half bro/sis.

[Requiem]

No, why would we?