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Johnny Vegas

01-06-2009, 01:45 AM

DrA

01-06-2009, 01:51 AM

They are nothing compared to WWE cruiserweight matches.

Johnny Vegas

01-06-2009, 02:03 AM

That had to be the gayest post of 2009

01-06-2009, 02:11 AM

Besides that crap main event with Nash and Goldberg, this is the only match I remember from Starcade 98.

Also, when it comes to what WWE could use for their product, they could use MANY things for it. The problem is they don't...they are such a political mess at this point that unless WWE did a major overhaul on their product, you're not getting anything more than what you see on Monday and Friday nights.

Be thankful things like Youtube and DailyMotion is around so you can watch stuff like this anytime you want...at least you get something.

Fignuts

01-06-2009, 02:25 AM

Was a time when WWE cou;d have had an amazing cruiserweight division. They had Mysterio, Chavo, Tajiri, Shannon Moore, Kidman, Jamie Noble, Jimmy Yang etc.

Oh, and ULTIMO FUCKING DRAGON

Lock Jaw

01-06-2009, 02:29 AM

El Dandy could have been the next big thing.

redoneja

01-06-2009, 02:37 AM

What was great about that match that was posted was that Kidman, Juventud, and Mysterio all understood how to sell spots throughout the match. They didn't just keep bouncing up and running the ropes like nothing effected them.

SammyG

01-06-2009, 03:38 AM

Loved it. Pure and simple. WCW was so amazing god

Mr. Nerfect

01-06-2009, 03:39 AM

I often cringe during Billy Kidman matches when he'd do a high risk spot, but I actually like him as a ground-based worker. I wouldn't mind him coming out of FCW to work in a tag team with Norman Smiley, or something. They could use their job as trainers showing the young guys how to wrestle as a gimmick.

But, to be honest, the WWE abolishing their cruiserweight division has been the best thing for them. With the Cruiserweight Title gone, smaller guys have managed to be mixed into the heavyweight scene a lot more seemlessly. Jamie Noble got to be in a fantastic program with Chuck Palumbo, in which he looked fantastic, for example. The Brian Kendrick got to unofficially win the WWE Championship, and Evan Bourne is on the rise.

With Dos Caras coming in, I think there is still some interest in putting those sort of matches on occasionally, but hopefully it can sort of reach a higher niche platform. But this is the WWE we are talking about...

Kane Knight

01-06-2009, 08:10 AM

They are nothing compared to WWE cruiserweight matches.
srsly.

erickman

01-06-2009, 08:54 AM

They are nothing compared to WWE cruiserweight matches.

talking about that does the wwe still have a cruiserweight belt champ or div, or did scot hall throw there belt in the trash can.

Fox

01-06-2009, 09:15 AM

But, to be honest, the WWE abolishing their cruiserweight division has been the best thing for them. With the Cruiserweight Title gone, smaller guys have managed to be mixed into the heavyweight scene a lot more seemlessly. Jamie Noble got to be in a fantastic program with Chuck Palumbo, in which he looked fantastic, for example. The Brian Kendrick got to unofficially win the WWE Championship, and Evan Bourne is on the rise.

With Dos Caras coming in, I think there is still some interest in putting those sort of matches on occasionally, but hopefully it can sort of reach a higher niche platform. But this is the WWE we are talking about...

No, Noid. Abolishing the Cruiserweight division has NOT been the best thing for them. If you want to elevate a smaller talent, you don't have to get rid of an entire fucking division just to do it. The Noble and Kendrick mini-pushes could've happened with or without a cruiserweight division - you're just thinking about it from some fucked up perspective where a singles push of a smaller individual cannot coexist with a cruiserweight division.

Getting rid of the Cruiserweight division has been good for no one. Not for the fans, not for the dozens of exciting and talented performers who have been dismissed over the past couple years due to the company having "nothing for them," no one. I mean, come on.

Fignuts

01-06-2009, 10:05 AM

With Dos Caras coming in, I think there is still some interest in putting those sort of matches on occasionally, but hopefully it can sort of reach a higher niche platform. But this is the WWE we are talking about...

Yeah, except Dos Caras is not even close to being a cruiserweight.

Blitz

01-06-2009, 10:13 AM

Blitzkrieg :(

The Optimist

01-06-2009, 10:20 AM

talking about that does the wwe still have a cruiserweight belt champ or div, or did scot hall throw there belt in the trash can.Hornswoggle beat Jamie Noble for it, then they took it off of Hornswggle for some reason.

The Optimist

01-06-2009, 10:22 AM

God, that whole Kidman-Rey thing was so awesome. It's sad that it led to the Filthy Animals, because that's was just a bag of confusing.

Kane Knight

01-06-2009, 10:53 AM

HBKool96

01-06-2009, 11:34 AM

whats a cruiserweight??

FourFifty

01-06-2009, 11:52 AM

Kill off the Diva's title, put the real women's wrestler's on Raw, burn some dead wood, put SmackDown back on the road with ECW (after The In Crowd jumps to Raw) and you'll have room for the CW title on SmackDown and ECW.

Xero

01-06-2009, 01:02 PM

whats a cruiserweight??

A counter-weight for a car.

BigDaddyCool

01-06-2009, 01:48 PM

It would be nice if WWE has a cruiserweight div instead of just treating the little guys as jobbers.

Xero

01-06-2009, 01:51 PM

It would be nice if WWE had divisions other than the main event division and the non-main event division.

Disturbed316

01-06-2009, 05:03 PM

Rey Mysterio vs Chris Jericho at Souled Out 98, freaking awesome ending.

Nowhere Man

01-06-2009, 05:29 PM

Ultimo vs. Rey at World War 3 '96 was pretty damn awesome. As was Rey vs. Eddie at Halloween Havoc '97. Basically, anything with Rey back before he got all roided up and injury prone.

Johnny Vegas

01-06-2009, 05:55 PM

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Awesome move to end the match

Heros Welcome

01-06-2009, 05:56 PM

After watching the Rey DVD, I never realized how great the Rey/Malenko series of matches were. Could watch them all day.

Heros Welcome

01-06-2009, 05:56 PM

wow talk about timing there JV.

Legend Killer

01-06-2009, 06:01 PM

That had to be the gayest post of 2009

I dunno man, we still have 11 and a half months to go... :shifty:

Johnny Vegas

01-06-2009, 06:04 PM

That's just how gay it was

Juan

01-06-2009, 06:51 PM

Juan

01-06-2009, 06:53 PM

and yes, WCW had some great cruiser matches. Dean Melenko vs. Ultimo Dragon being my favorite.

Lock Jaw

01-06-2009, 07:49 PM

I'd rather see the European Title come back before the Cruserweight. That way it is open to all non-main event people and non-tiny-flying-flipping-guys.

Mr. Nerfect

01-06-2009, 11:47 PM

Yeah, except Dos Caras is not even close to being a cruiserweight.

He works the style, though, doesn't he?

Mr. Nerfect

01-07-2009, 12:02 AM

No, Noid. Abolishing the Cruiserweight division has NOT been the best thing for them. If you want to elevate a smaller talent, you don't have to get rid of an entire fucking division just to do it. The Noble and Kendrick mini-pushes could've happened with or without a cruiserweight division - you're just thinking about it from some fucked up perspective where a singles push of a smaller individual cannot coexist with a cruiserweight division.

Getting rid of the Cruiserweight division has been good for no one. Not for the fans, not for the dozens of exciting and talented performers who have been dismissed over the past couple years due to the company having "nothing for them," no one. I mean, come on.

It'd be nice to believe that, but do you really see the WWE pushing cruiserweights as fair game to the heavyweights when there is a Cruiserweight Title around? Of course they should be treated better regardless of the title scene, but you know that's not the way it works.

There are exceptions to this, of course, but they generally prove the rule. Before the Cruiserweight Title went bye-bye, there was pretty much no chance Chavo Guerrero was going to ever get a crack at winning a bigger belt, because the Cruiserweight Title was always calling him back. With the Cruiserweight Title gone, he was able to win the ECW Championship, which is a little higher on the ladder than the Cruiserweight Title.

The word "cruiserweight" isn't even used on WWE television anymore. They are actually being judged on their abilities, and style, and not on their size. The best Jimmy Wang Yang has looked in the WWE was when he and Shannon Moore were chasing John Morrison & The Miz for the WWE Tag Team Championships. They never won the belts, but they came damn close so many times, and the fans were so into them. They looked far better than they ever did in the cruiserweight division. Both guys can actually say they've defeated a former World Champion in John Morrison now. Of course, Shannon Moore ended up getting released, but if you believe the stories, Vince never really liked him that much and just hired him because his girlfriend wanted him in the company.

I can't really think of any push that has suffered because the cruiserweight division is gone. Can you name me one? All the pushes have been greater, and as lovely as it is to think they could have happened anyway, if you pushed guys like Jimmy Wang Yang, Jamie Noble, Shannon Moore, Hurricane Helms, Brian Kendrick and Chavo Guerrero while the division was around, then who the fuck is going to be in the division? It's just something the WWE has never been able to deal with -- pushing smaller guys while they hold a smaller guys' title. The closest I think they've ever come to is Gregory Helms.

Also, which talent were released because the WWE got rid of the Cruiserweight Title? Nunzio is gone, which is a damn shame, but he could have been used in a tag team or something. Or as an enhancement guy. Shannon Moore also got cut, but we've addressed him. Funaki, Jimmy Yang, Jamie Noble, Hornswoggle, Chavo Guerrero, Gregory Helms and Brian Kendrick are all still around.

Look, if the WWE could bring back the Cruiserweight Title, and treat the guy holding it as the best guy of his weight class, fine. Do it. They had the chance to do that when Gregory Helms was Cruiserweight Champion and Rey Mysterio was World Heavyweight Champion, though. A little rivalry between the two with Helms claiming to be on equal ground as Rey because he's the Champion of Cruiserweights and Rey is a cruiserweight could have been really cool. They hinted at it with a match between the two, but I think Helms wanted to ditch the Cruiserweight Title for the World Heavyweight belt, or something, and he got handedly taken down by Mysterio. Not cool.

I am the king of pipe-dreams around here, but could you honestly see the WWE treating cruiserweights seriously within a division? I mean, they put the fucking title on Hornswoggle for crying out loud!

Fox is right.

No, no he is not. Sadly.

Mr. Nerfect

01-07-2009, 12:03 AM

I loved Dean Malenko and Chris Jericho's interactions with the Cruiserweight Title in WCW. I remember some fantastic matches between the two, and with them facing others.

One moment of awesomeness: Jericho just beat Juventud Guerra after he passed out in the Liontamer, and Jericho goes up to the camera all panicked "I just killed Juvi!"

The Optimist

01-07-2009, 12:45 AM

I hardly think WWE NEEDS a cruiserweight division. It'd be nice, but it's not like we can't see, say Bourne vs. Chavo for the US Title or something. Sure, there are a lot of talented guys out there that could benefit from the WWE having a cruiserweight division, but it's not that big of a deal imo.
People don't really NEED working livers or lungs when they can be hooked up to huge machines and be immobile for the rest of their short lives.

(A little bit of hyperbole mixed into the comparison)

Fox

01-07-2009, 01:19 AM

Mr. Nerfect

01-07-2009, 01:39 AM

I'm not wasting time debating you. It's ludicrous. Your example of Chavo Guerrero and the CW Title constantly "calling him back," keeping him from achieving higher means like the US or ECW Title, is asinine. It's called BOOKING, Noid. It would not be difficult to elevate Chavo from the CW division up to a higher spot on the card. It's not necessary to get rid of the entire division for the theory that it will be "freeing up" more talent for other things. It's all in the manner of the booking and has nothing to do with the titles at stake or the divisions in question.

That is all.

It does when the company is completely incapable of booking a cruiserweight division. If the WWE did everything effectively and efficiently, they might be in a boom period, but they're not.

Evan Bourne is a prime example. If there were a Cruiserweight Division around, he'd be feuding with someone like Jamie Noble. It would be a lot of fun. They would get two minutes on SmackDown! while the commentators talked about the Bra & Panties Match coming up later in the evening. Without that role for Bourne to immediately be slotted into (which he logically would if there was a Cruiserweight Title around), he's been able to have much better matches on ECW, work with guys in that main event scene, and is one of the more popular guys in the company. He's pretty much a lock for Money in the Bank this year, something a Paul London never did.

Disturbed316

01-07-2009, 05:22 AM

Fox

01-07-2009, 01:37 PM

It does when the company is completely incapable of booking a cruiserweight division. If the WWE did everything effectively and efficiently, they might be in a boom period, but they're not.

Evan Bourne is a prime example. If there were a Cruiserweight Division around, he'd be feuding with someone like Jamie Noble. It would be a lot of fun. They would get two minutes on SmackDown! while the commentators talked about the Bra & Panties Match coming up later in the evening. Without that role for Bourne to immediately be slotted into (which he logically would if there was a Cruiserweight Title around), he's been able to have much better matches on ECW, work with guys in that main event scene, and is one of the more popular guys in the company. He's pretty much a lock for Money in the Bank this year, something a Paul London never did.

Does it get stuffy at all in that suffocatingly narrow mind of yours?

Heros Welcome

01-07-2009, 02:34 PM

One moment of awesomeness: Jericho just beat Juventud Guerra after he passed out in the Liontamer, and Jericho goes up to the camera all panicked "I just killed Juvi!"

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The Optimist

01-07-2009, 08:30 PM

Jericho had awesome music.

Super V

01-07-2009, 09:01 PM

Noid is right.

Mr. Nerfect

01-07-2009, 11:24 PM

Does it get stuffy at all in that suffocatingly narrow mind of yours?

Dude, I'm the one who could imagine a universe where Val Venis could possibly be WWE Champion. My mind is far from narrow, linear or whatever limiting insult you want to throw at me.

Legend Killer

01-07-2009, 11:27 PM

Dude, I'm the one who could imagine a universe where Val Venis could possibly be WWE Champion. My mind is far from narrow, linear or whatever limiting insult you want to throw at me.

But, until that day happens, you'll just have to photoshop the title around Val's waist.

Mr. Nerfect

01-07-2009, 11:28 PM

Jericho had awesome music.

Jericho himself was just generally awesome during this period. I don't know what it was about him (perhaps knowing that he was possibly the brightest spot on a confused product?), but he just shone in everything he did.

Another moment of WCW Jericho awesomeness: His ring introductions for a Battle Royal, or something, where the winner would face him. I think he did an intro for Chavo something like "from El Paso, Mexico!" I remember a line about Silver King winning a few more matches before being upgraded to Gold King.

Anyway, Dean Malenko won that much under hood, and Jericho freaked the fuck out, and the two had a match there and then. Did I get all that right?

Mr. Nerfect

01-07-2009, 11:28 PM

But, until that day happens, you'll just have to photoshop the title around Val's waist.

Nah. The imagination is much better quality than any of Xero's stuff.

Nowhere Man

01-08-2009, 12:14 AM

All Noid-bashing aside, here's a fun one: Ultimo Dragon vs. Psychosis (who looks like he stole his outfit from the Predator)

Part 1:
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Part 2:
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Mr. Nerfect

01-08-2009, 03:14 AM

Ultimo Dragon is fucking fantastic.

01-08-2009, 03:17 AM

Rey Rey vs Eddie Guerrero happens to remain my favorite WCW Cruiserweight title match of all times.

Disturbed316

01-08-2009, 04:09 AM

God the Liontamer was such an awesome move.

01-08-2009, 04:20 AM

Jericho did use the Liontamer on Cena on Raw before Armageddon. Does anyone have the pic?

thedamndest

01-08-2009, 05:01 AM

I would rather see the Cruiserweights compete in the US Title division right now. WCW could book CW storylines and matches, WWE can't, and with their safe style, much of the time the matches are only so-so anyhow. Besides, the last thing they need right now is another title, especially when it would probably be the same four guys competing over every three weeks and you'd have a revolving door of two new guys a month who get wished the best of luck in a couple weeks for not getting over or sucking or not getting over for sucking.

Sepholio

01-08-2009, 06:53 AM

God I miss WCW.

Kane Knight

01-08-2009, 11:18 AM

Haze

01-08-2009, 12:31 PM

Gotta say my favorite cruiserweight moment was during the Jericho/Malenko fued, where after the cruiserweight battle royale, Dean pulled off the Cyclope mask to a monster ovation...tried to find the video on youtube, but it looks like it has been taken down.

Mr. Nerfect

01-08-2009, 04:32 PM

Noid may be on to something. Rey Mysterio sure went nowhere with that Albatross of a title around. What? Bad example? Oh, right.

No, but seriously, Noid, you're trying to demonstrate a cause-effect relationship that isn't there, using superficial reasoning that smaller guys are being pushed now that it's not around. I mean, I can think of a few changes that might have lead to that sort of thing, not least of which is the Wellness Policy....

The CW title is not some Siren Lure, and nothing being done right now is anything that could not have been done with the title around. This looks like it's one of the trends of infrequent pushes. That almost certainly would have happened, one way or another, and it probably (note probably) won't last.

In short, with words I use with careful consideration, Fox is right. You can keep posting evidence that is both circumstantial and superficial, but that doesn't change a thing.

KK, there is never any real point in arguing with you, because you just argue for the sake of it, even when your argument is ironic as hell. Let me just throw Occam's razor at you, and call it a day.

It'd be nice to believe that the cruiserweights in the WWE could all get pushes while also concurrently (somehow) sustaining a division for the Cruiserweight Championship, but history is on my side. Using Eddie's bud as one of the very, very few examples in the WWE's history isn't going to cut it.

Haze

01-08-2009, 07:30 PM

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Fox

01-08-2009, 07:34 PM

The reality of the big picture is that Cruiserweight title around OR NOT, the pushes you've talked about could have happened anyways, with or without it being active in the company. Rey could have won the Royal Rumble while Jamie Noble fought Paul London for the CW Title further down the card. Just because WWE hasn't booked that way in the past doesn't mean they won't book that way in the future. To say otherwise is simple ignorance, and suggesting that keeping the cruiserweight title defunct is a good way to make sure these "smaller, deserving wrestlers" get a shot higher in the card is just illogical and narrow minded. If anything, that kind of thinking only deprives the WWE audience of the kind of undercard matches that have been posted in this very fucking thread, and the fact that the WWE has and had the talent to make those kinds of matches possible but didn't because there is no Cruiserweight Title for them to build stories around, is more than enough reason for me to want the cruiserweight title back.

The Optimist

01-08-2009, 07:52 PM

Fuck. What a pop for Malenko. That's tremendous.

Mr. Nerfect

01-08-2009, 08:42 PM

The reality of the big picture is that Cruiserweight title around OR NOT, the pushes you've talked about could have happened anyways, with or without it being active in the company.

And tomorrow John Cena could lose the World Heavyweight Title. It's not going to happen, though.

Rey could have won the Royal Rumble while Jamie Noble fought Paul London for the CW Title further down the card. Just because WWE hasn't booked that way in the past doesn't mean they won't book that way in the future.

Rey did win the Royal Rumble when the Cruiserweight Title was around. I addressed that. Rey is one of the very few exceptions to the rule. Jamie Noble and Paul London were wrestling for the Cruiserweight Title, and those matches would have very rarely cracked the five-minute mark. As a tag team wrestler, Paul London got to do a lot more on SmackDown!. As a guy in the heavyweight division, Jamie Noble got to actually develop a personality.

Sure, the WWE could change their policies overnight, but history has proven that the Cruiserweight Title is very, very low on their priority list. It was so important to them they had Hornswoggle win the belt, and made one of its top contenders slip on marbles. It may not mean they'll never treat it seriously, but I'd say it's very indicative that they won't.

To say otherwise is simple ignorance, and suggesting that keeping the cruiserweight title defunct is a good way to make sure these "smaller, deserving wrestlers" get a shot higher in the card is just illogical and narrow minded.

No, it's being realistic about these guys' chances in the WWE when slapped with the label "cruiserweight." I don't see how it is logical to assume that cruiserweights would suddenly be treated right in the WWE. And I don't see how it is illogical to attribute, in part, the lack of a small guy championship allowing small guys to mix it up with the bigger guys.

If anything, that kind of thinking only deprives the WWE audience of the kind of undercard matches that have been posted in this very fucking thread, and the fact that the WWE has and had the talent to make those kinds of matches possible but didn't because there is no Cruiserweight Title for them to build stories around, is more than enough reason for me to want the cruiserweight title back.

Notice they are all from WCW? They are all from fucking WCW. Also, you say that this kind of thinking would deprive the audience of fantastic cruiserweight matches? Do you see any fantastic cruiserweight matches on TV? No. Do you see a Cruiserweight Title on TV? No. The WWE doesn't give a shit.

I can understand that you want the Cruiserweight Title to come back so you can a match like Evan Bourne vs. The Brian Kendrick for it. Awesome. More power to you. I'd rather see those two face-off for either the ECW Championship or even the WWE Championship. Still a very unlikely scenario, but given where both men have been in 2008, it's not as unlikely as it would have been back when they were just Matt Sydal and Brian Kendrick.

Lock Jaw

01-08-2009, 08:52 PM

Fuck. What a pop for Malenko. That's tremendous.

Malenko out-popped DX.

parkmania

01-08-2009, 08:54 PM

If the WWE were to bring back the Cruiserweight belt, I could see them using it as a second belt on ECW.

Mr. Nerfect

01-08-2009, 09:05 PM

Malenko out-popped DX.

Add him to the list with Steve Blackman and CM Punk. Those men should be the top guys on RAW.

The Optimist

01-08-2009, 09:08 PM

Malenko out-popped DX.http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z46/MindGames88/ECW/thSteve_Blackman.jpg