I don't care for Swagger

[BigDaddyCool]

Not because he is a heel, but because he is just so bland, and green. The gutwrench powerbomb is nice, but the rest of the match is just so meh.

Discuss.

[BigDaddyCool]

His personality and look also remind me of the head high school jock. You know the one, the captian of the football team or something, and he sets a new school record for the most rushing yards and gets by in all his classes but burns out way to quick. Sure he is cocky now, but lets see him in 10 years when he is working at his dad's construction business as 3rd best salesman.

That is the feeling I get from Swagger. Highschool/all american gimmick could work, but he doesn't play it up enough for all the bright colors of wrestling.

[Volare]

I think he needs some mic time to explain who he is and what he's all about. I mean ok, Striker and Grisham could build him up...but people wanna hear from him, and it would be taken more seriously.

[Kane Knight]

Fist you trash Dolph Ziggler, now my man Swagger? BDC, it's like I don't even know you anymore.

[BigDaddyCool]

Ziggler is better than Swagger. Ziggler at least plays up his gimmick.

[Volare]

I know where BDC is comin from...Swagger reminds him of that bully he had in high school.

[BigDaddyCool]

No he doesn't. Cause I never had a bully, and Swagger doesn't seem like a bully, he kinda reminds me of a dude I knew in high school that I was cool with, but not a bully.

[Volare]

Well then I am mistaken and apologize.

[Kane Knight]

Ziggler is better than Swagger. Ziggler at least plays up his gimmick.
Sounds like a porn name, don't it?

[BigDaddyCool]

Dolph Ziggler sounds like a porn name, but his gimmick has nothing to do with it.

[Kane Knight]

Meant swagger. For some reason, it made me think of it when you said the whole bit about him in ten years. I know douchebag jocks and porn stars aren't the same thing, but still.

[BigDaddyCool]

I think him being a porn star has as much credit as the Burchills fucking each other. A rumors starts up that WWE is going in that direction, but the story lines never reveal it unless you are purposely reading into them and saying "See, she said he is beautiful, they are obviously incestuous."

[Kane Knight]

I think him being a porn star has as much credit as the Burchills fucking each other. A rumors starts up that WWE is going in that direction, but the story lines never reveal it unless you are purposely reading into them and saying "See, she said he is beautiful, they are obviously incestuous."

Oh shit, Ryan Clark is going to be posting my comment as news in two weeks. "Porn Star turn in future? Which WWE superstar displayed exposed nipples this week? Stephanie pregnant pics!"

Anyway, I take your point, though it was a touch tangential.

[Hanso Amore]

Swagger needs to have a Cheerleader and play to the Jock thing fully, or just drop it all together.

Have him be the college jock letter jacket guy that Nowinski should have been

[Kane Knight]

Swagger needs to have a Cheerleader and play to the Jock thing fully, or just drop it all together.

Have him be the college jock letter jacket guy that Nowinski should have been

Four words come to mind:

High School marching band.

Mwahahahahahaha...

[Fox]

Honestly, I just hate his name. I can see the writes trying to figure something out for him.

WRITER 1: We've got this guy Jack, but Vince wants him to have a new last name.

WRITER 2: What's his gimmick?

WRITER 1: He's like a high school jock, kind of cocky, like an all American football preppy, but with some swagger to him as well.

WRITER 2: How about that?

WRITER 1: What?

WRITER 2: Swagger?

WRITER: Hmm... yeah that works.

[Nark Order]

I actually really enjoyed the ECW title match last night. Thought it went pretty perfectly. Also, I KNEW something was up as soon as they started milking the whole Hardy crying over his loss deal.

[BigDaddyCool]

Swagger is a decent wrestling name what with all the Flairs and Nitros and Jerichos and so forth, I have no problem with the name. This time it isn't the writting, it is the guy carrying the character.

[Nark Order]

I think the main problem here is that he hasn't really showcased a character yet. He's the huge smiling guy that beat Hardy for the belt.

[BigDaddyCool]

Plus there is the fact that he really has been soley on ECW tv to this point and now a ppv. He really hasn't been out there.

[Nark Order]

I think the guy definitely has that 'star' look to him but at the moment he's got nothing to back it up. If the WWE is going to shove him down our throats, I need some substance. Develop his character a little more, align him with a known star, and give him some mic time and then this won't be so out of whack.

[Krimzon7]

Narc, who would/could you team Swagger with to build on his character?

[BigDaddyCool]

Ziggler[/noid]

[Nark Order]

Narc, who would/could you team Swagger with to build on his character?

Well, there are alot of possibilities at the moment that could really help out. I mean, Swagger is a clean slate. They haven't done anything to make him or break him yet. After all the cuts that have been made this year, I'm not 100% sure who is with the company anymore but her it goes:

"Freebird" Michael Hayes- Excellent on the stick and would be a really great manager for a guy like Swagger. Swaggers main problem right now is a lack of hype and a lack of personality so I could see this pairing helping with both of those aspects. Hayes could pull something where Swagger confronts him backstage, Hayes looks at the ECW title and says something like "Boy, you don't even know what you got." and then walks away. Blah, blah, setting up for a manager/mentor type deal.

Christian- I know that they'll probably have bigger plans for Jay when he finally gets around to coming in but the similarities between Christian and Swagger are pretty uncanny. They both have the same type of cocky bastard heel look to them and I could see Swagger developing into a character much like that of Cage.

Chris Jericho- The spot of Lance Cade as Jericho's follower was never really filled again after Cade's departure. Maybe Swagger could pull a "Now that I've been here for awhile, I can see that everything you're saying is absolutely true" type thing.

Matt Striker- He could be pretty easily replaced on commentary for ECW and Striker is a great manager. He already talks Swagger up on a weekly basis so...

Other than that, I can't think of all too much unless he formed a stable on ECW with Miz and Morrison. Anyway, just some ideas.

[Krimzon7]

Just some Great ideas, thanks Narc. I actually like the idea with Jericho, as he could be good in the Lance Cade type of role. Here's an out of the blue Idea... Why not turn Finlay heel and pair them up? But Finlay isn't good on the mic. OR, why not have Teddy Long sign Swagger on to Keep that fag Ortiz away from his chick!

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think the character that Swagger reminds BDC of makes for a great heel, actually. You want to hate him because he's such a douche bag, but you can't deny that he's good at what he does. I thought the match last night was good, along with the original title win and that Extreme Rules match with Tommy Dreamer all that time ago. He does feel slightly forced, but there's really not too much else to work with on the ECW brand right now. I think they're trying to align him with a more established guy by having him team with Mark Henry, but I guess they don't realize that nobody really gives a fuck about Mark Henry either.

[Juan]

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/bUTAQ/ECW-1.png

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yes Juan, that's who this thread is about. Very good.

[Lock Jaw]

I've never seen Swagger on my television.

[Kane Knight]

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/bUTAQ/ECW-1.png

The era of mediocrity is upon us!

[BigDaddyCool]

No, the era of mediocrity has been on us for a while now, Swagger is just another in the long line of meh, i guess he can be champion.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think champions like Swagger add to the feeling that anybody can win a title on any given night. I do like him a lot though.

[BigDaddyCool]

pfffft, that isn't really a good thing.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Anything can happen in the WWF!

[BigDaddyCool]

but rarely anything truely interesting.

[Kane Knight]

There's a difference between the feeling that anything can happen and it actually happening. The former's really good. The latter, usually not so much.

Though to be honest, I used to wish they'd throw us the occasional curveball, so this could have been nice, had it not just been the latest in a long line of events.

[Gertner]

SWAGGA is awesome. Called this title reign after his first match

[RatedGSuperstar]

I think he has potential (hell, he's only like 25 or 26), but the title reign is coming too soon for anyone to really give a crap about him. It doesn't make much sense to stick a title on a guy when he's only been in the company for literally 4 months and only wrestled on a 1-hour C-show. At least Angle had weeks of vignettes and Lesnar had Heyman to help get him over...Swagger's just sitting there with that goofy smile on his face trying to be a heel with a crappy "All-American American" gimmick. He's got the size of somebody who could be booked as a brutal overpowering heel, but instead he's made out to look like this big oaf who's just happy to be there.

The cocky jock thing can be pulled off, but let the man cut some promos or get him a manager to make him unique. Right now he's just Generic Former Amateur Champion #235.

[Destor]

His look is REALLY bad.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Did anyone see the promo he cut during his feud with Tommy Dreamer? That shit really helped him stand out as an asshole. And not the jocky kind of asshole that BDC is talking about, but the kind of asshole that calls your daughter a cunt without having ever met her. And then he goes and sleeps her. Twice.

If you've been watching his entire career, you'd know that he's not just a cocky asshole, but the character he plays is a pretty disgusting person.

The guy is damn good in the ring, in my opinion, but I'm not going to try and sell him anymore than that. I'll let Swagger do his own selling, because he's going to be around for a while.

[Kane Knight]

So was Bob Holly. Longevity doesn't always mean something of worth.

[BigDaddyCool]

Don't give me that "I've seen his entire career" crap noid. ECW is basically a step up from OVW or FCW and therefore doesn't count unless it is Miz, Morrison, or Hardy.

[The Optimist]

Yeah, the match was messy. I really didn't know he was supposed to be a full heel, he didn't do anything heelish all match.

[BigDaddyCool]

You are talking about the Rumble match? I knew Swagger was suppose to be heel only because I know that Hardy is/was a face at the time. Which makes Swagger the defacto heel.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Swagger's a heel that doesn't always have to cheat.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Because he's great (kayfabe).

[The Mackem]

Did anyone see the promo he cut during his feud with Tommy Dreamer? That shit really helped him stand out as an asshole. And not the jocky kind of asshole that BDC is talking about, but the kind of asshole that calls your daughter a cunt without having ever met her. And then he goes and sleeps her. Twice.



LOL, fantastic Noid. I'd rep you if I could.

[Kane Knight]

Swagger's a heel that doesn't always have to cheat.

And apparently, you'll only know that if you watched that one promo he cut a while back.

"Disco Swag doesn't advertise."

[Juan]

It's been more than one promo, but the one Noid is talking about was probably the best one.

[BigDaddyCool]

It's been more than one promo, but the one Noid is talking about was probably the best one.

Have these promos been recapped on Raw or Smackdown?

[Juan]

That's not the point. The point is if you watched ECW you'd know about it instead of just dismissing it as an afterthought because you think it sucks.

[BigDaddyCool]

I like ECW, I just have been busy, and it is clearly a after thought of a show.

[thedamndest]

I would be willing to put Swagger on a three-year plan.

[Juan]

In your opinion. ECW gets mentioned as much as it should for being the C -show.

[Anybody Thrilla]

And apparently, you'll only know that if you watched that one promo he cut a while back.

"Disco Swag doesn't advertise."

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he wins matches "clean", for the most part. He's easy to hate because he's a dickhead, but he gets wins.

[Jeritron]

I would be willing to put Swagger on a three-year plan.

I like your __ year plans. We should start a thread where people throw out names and they're assigned a plan, with description of how said plan will be unfolded.

[Kane Knight]

That's not the point. The point is if you watched ECW you'd know about it instead of just dismissing it as an afterthought because you think it sucks.

Just an aside, but let's pretend BDC doesn't have Sci-Fi. Is it still his fault that he doesn't know? Matt Hardy is covered on at least one of the other, main shows, but Swagger is not. I mean, a lot of people don't even have Sci-Fi, so they can't exactly follow ECW, want to or not.

That aside, WWE recaps almost everything ad nauseum. They design the product intentionally so you can pick up and play at virtually any time. I find it hard to believe that with the smallest roster in years and only like 3 matches a week at most, they can't establish the contender for the title at an event where they're hoping for a large audience.

Wrestling shouldn't be homework.

Anyway, how often, and how recent?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Swagger was on last week's SmackDOWN!, for the record.

[.44 Magdalene]

Who the hell is Jack Swagger?

[BigDaddyCool]

So I was watching ECW last night, and it was Swagger heavy and rather boring. I missed Boogens match which made me sad (I was flipping channels during commersail and got stuck on Futurama). I did the 3 Swagger spots, which was all him talking/trying to figure out where his belt is. These are the observations I have:

1. Does he have fake teeth? They don't look real.
2. He lisps and sounds like a pussy, reminds me of Mike Tyson and Bobby Lashley in that respect.
3. His promos are bland to boring and needs a lot of work. He needs to be put in a program with someone who can carry promos/story lines and on ECW that is no one.
4. Everything about his is green. Hopefully Finlay can refine him a bit in ring, cause he ring work is what I expect out of a rookie, not a champion.

[Kane Knight]

So is there anything that would support the notion that he's this awesome deep psychological villain he's now being made out to be, or are people just making shit up again?

[RatedGSuperstar]

I don't know about you guys, but this promo is amazing. :|

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He's just too damn goofy looking to be taken seriously. The Backstreet Boy haircut doesn't help.

[BigDaddyCool]

That promo sucked.

[RatedGSuperstar]

The best part was the look he gave before he answered the question, like he was so happy with himself that he came up with something so witty.

I agree on him sounding like Lashley. I couldn't pay attention to anything he said last night because of that damn lisp. Hard to sound like a badass when you have a speech impediment.

[Kane Knight]

I don't know about you guys, but this promo is amazing. :|

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He's just too damn goofy looking to be taken seriously. The Backstreet Boy haircut doesn't help.

I'm gonna ignore his mic skills, because he only said two words, but his demeanor is exactly what BDC was talking about, which backs up his point about the asshole jock perfectly.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yes, it is hard to take hims seriously because he looks a little on the goofy side, and he sounds goofy. At least Lashley looks like a badass.

[Anybody Thrilla]

He's not a stereotypical badass. He IS a bit on the goofy side, but he still gets the job done in the ring.

As far as last night, that whole show was just ass, but I feel you could have put anybody in Swagger's spot with that storyline and it would have been awful.

Oh, and BDC, you didn't miss The Boogeyman's match. Ricky Ortiz came out and told him that he didn't have to eat worms to get over with the fans. All he needed was a Ricky O Rally Towel. The Boogeyman punched him and then Ortiz just....left. That was the "match". Pretty bad there too.

[Kane Knight]

Apologists. Sweet.

[BigDaddyCool]

Ah, well still. My point is Swagger is subpar and isn't ready to hold the 3 highest ranked title in WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don't give me that "I've seen his entire career" crap noid. ECW is basically a step up from OVW or FCW and therefore doesn't count unless it is Miz, Morrison, or Hardy.

What are you on about? The guy is still on ECW. That's all you've ever known of the guy. If you want to pretend that ECW doesn't exist, and nor does Jack Swagger, fine, but delete this thread.

[BigDaddyCool]

Shut up noid, you are dumb. Go pretend Val Venis is world champion.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Ah, well still. My point is Swagger is subpar and isn't ready to hold the 3 highest ranked title in WWE.

Who is better than Swagger on ECW right now?

[Mr. Nerfect]

So is there anything that would support the notion that he's this awesome deep psychological villain he's now being made out to be, or are people just making shit up again?

No one said he is a deep psychological villain. You're making shit up again. I said that the promo where he insulted Tommy Dreamer's wife and kids isn't just arrogant or disrespectful in the sense that Swagger is a jock. It was just plain tasteless (from a kayfabe point of view), and made Swagger look like a complete dickweed. Not KK levels of dickweed, but pretty damn close.

Oh, and the promo happened. Get over it.

[Nark Order]

Well, sometimes it's good to get a mark's perspective on things and my 12 yeard old brother calls me all the time and talks to me about wrestling and such. He's seen every ECW episode almost (I don't even watch it) and he always says that he hopes Hardy pulls through and blah blah because Swagger is a total jerk. So, I guess you could say that Swagger is doing his job. We are just a bunch of overcritical assholes.

[BigDaddyCool]

Who is better than Swagger on ECW right now?

Finlay, Mark Henry, Tommy Dreamer, Chavo, The Miz, John Morrison.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Shut up noid, you are dumb. Go pretend Val Venis is world champion.

Shut up, BDC. I can at least use grammar and not sound like a sociopath when I talk. Go masturbate to a photoshopped picture of Kevin Nash and "Boogen" hugging, then go have intercourse with KK (which he will deny ever happened, because there was no "evidence," even though a video of it was put out for some reason), before settling down and fawning over John Morrison's abs.

I can't really fault you on the last one. Those are fairly good abs.

[Nark Order]

John Morrison.

fixed

[Anybody Thrilla]

An ECW title reign would not help Finlay, Henry was just the champ (and I disagree with that anyway), Tommy Dreamer is in the middle of a storyline where he's obviously going to win the title in about six months, Chavo's more on SmackDOWN! than anything plus he just had an ECW title reign, and The Miz and Morrison are tag champs.

[BigDaddyCool]

Shut up, BDC. I can at least use grammar and no sound like a sociopath when I talk.

:rofl:

[Nark Order]

Noid, you are a spaz.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Noid, these personal attacks aren't helping you, bud.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Finlay, Mark Henry, Tommy Dreamer, Chavo, The Miz, John Morrison.

Finlay, to a degree. He's a more polished worker, but he doesn't have the image the WWE really want to promote for ECW right now. They're going to use him to make Swagger a star. Also, Finlay is probably slightly below Swagger's level on the mic. Yeah, Swagger has a lisp, but he's a good talker otherwise.

Mark Henry is not better than Swagger. Maybe a little better than him on the mic. Maybe.

Tommy Dreamer is more experienced, but he's old, and his story is leading up to him either winning the ECW Title in June, or not. Him being ECW Champion now would be pointless. Dreamer is probably a better talker, but he's had years more experience in front of crowds.

Chavo Guerrero has really improved on the mic, but probably is around Swagger's level. In the ring he's more experienced, but the WWE obviously doesn't want to use Chavo credibly.

The Miz has improved so well, but his personality just hasn't quite developed to the point where he can be taken seriously as a top star. His ring work is probably below Swagger's.

John Morrison is a maybe, but he's caught up with other things. He really doesn't seem like a good fit to be ECW Champion right now. He should be building towards other things. Morrison is entertaining, but it comes from a different place other than specific mic skills or ring skills.

[BigDaddyCool]

Noid, you are so full of shit.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Mark Henry is not better than Jack Swagger, BDC.

[Mr. Nerfect]

:rofl:

Congratulations. You picked up on irony for the first time in your life. The likelihood that you said "you are dumb" instead of "you're dumb" because you didn't know which "your/you're" to use would probably trump it.

[BigDaddyCool]

You are just saying that because you are a racist.

[Kane Knight]

No one said he is a deep psychological villain. You're making shit up again. I said that the promo where he insulted Tommy Dreamer's wife and kids isn't just arrogant or disrespectful in the sense that Swagger is a jock. It was just plain tasteless (from a kayfabe point of view), and made Swagger look like a complete dickweed. Not KK levels of dickweed, but pretty damn close.

Oh, and the promo happened. Get over it.

The promo happening doesn't really speak to the point.

Shut up, BDC. I can at least use grammar and not sound like a sociopath when I talk. Go masturbate to a photoshopped picture of Kevin Nash and "Boogen" hugging, then go have intercourse with KK (which he will deny ever happened, because there was no "evidence," even though a video of it was put out for some reason), before settling down and fawning over John Morrison's abs.

I can't really fault you on the last one. Those are fairly good abs.

Nice edit of your hypocrisy. Let me see if I can find another grammatical error.

Did anyone see the promo he cut during his feud with Tommy Dreamer? That shit really helped him stand out as an asshole. And not the jocky kind of asshole that BDC is talking about, but the kind of asshole that calls your daughter a cunt without having ever met her. And then he goes and sleeps her. Twice.

If you've been watching his entire career, you'd know that he's not just a cocky asshole, but the character he plays is a pretty disgusting person.

The guy is damn good in the ring, in my opinion, but I'm not going to try and sell him anymore than that. I'll let Swagger do his own selling, because he's going to be around for a while.

:y:

You also left out one other thing.


Shut up, BDC. I can at least use grammar and not sound like a sociopath when I talk. Go masturbate to a photoshopped picture of Kevin Nash and "Boogen" hugging, then go have intercourse with KK (which he will deny ever happened, because there was no "evidence," even though a video of it was put out for some reason), before settling down and fawning over John Morrison's abs.

I can't really fault you on the last one. Those are fairly good abs.

You kind of...Do sound like a sociopath. At least a potential one.

Especially with your obsession over the sex lives of so many posters.

[BigDaddyCool]

Congratulations. You picked up on irony for the first time in your life. The likelihood that you said "you are dumb" instead of "you're dumb" because you didn't know which "your/you're" to use would probably trump it.

Yeah, you did that all on purpose.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid, these personal attacks aren't helping you, bud.

What do I need help with? Making cyber friends with a redneck and a fat guy? KK could at least move to the south, or BDC put on a few more pounds just to eliminate redunancy a little bit.

[Kane Knight]

Wait, if it was irony, why did you edit it afterwards?

Uh-oh...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, you did that all on purpose.

I didn't say I did? :wtf:

[Kane Knight]

Hey, was saying Swagger "sleeps her" also irony? Like, you were ironically mocking BDC before he slipped up?

[Kane Knight]

IT'S LIKE RAAAAAAEEEEAIN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY!!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wait, if it was irony, why did you edit it afterwards?

Uh-oh...

LOL. What's sad is that the irony was had, and then it was dropped. Well, by BDC. I'm a little disappointed that you didn't even pick up on it, KK.

[Anybody Thrilla]

What do I need help with? Making cyber friends with a redneck and a fat guy? KK could at least move to the south, or BDC put on a few more pounds just to eliminate redunancy a little bit.

No, you might need help with trying to prove your point, is all. Making fun of them isn't going to help.

[Kane Knight]

LOL. What's sad is that the irony was had, and then it was dropped. Well, by BDC. I'm a little disappointed that you didn't even pick up on it, KK.

Come now, Noid. You were burned. Just live with it for once, and get back to the actual thread. The "everyone is wrong but me" act doesn't really fool anyone.

[Kane Knight]

No, you might need help with trying to prove your point, is all. Making fun of them isn't going to help.

I'm going to remember this quote the next time you call me a mess during a discussion.

I mean, I appreciate the sentiment, but....

[BigDaddyCool]

Look point is I don't like Swagger, I don't think he is ready for the ECW title, there are 5 other guys I would have handed the title to first, or I would have had more build and made it feel important. The simple fact that there is a go portion of posters here that didn't even know who Swagger was before he won the title is telling on account that we all follow wrestling fairly close.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hey, was saying Swagger "sleeps her" also irony? Like, you were ironically mocking BDC before he slipped up?

No, that was just me taking freedom and using "sleeps" as a verb, in the same vain that fucks, bangs, nails, sexes, porks, forks, bones, roots, shtups, shags, rides, surfs, worms, penetrates, logs, or mans could be. Not that I would have expected you to be up-to-date on what verbing women is all about.

Now, there was some irony in the first sentence, KK. Look closely and see if you can connect the dots. By the way, I do love how you study my posts just looking for things to try and use against me, as if I killed your dog or something. I'd say you were obsessed with me, but you seem like the obsessive stalker type, so it doesnt' really surprise me, and wouldn't be news to you.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'm going to remember this quote the next time you call me a mess during a discussion.

I mean, I appreciate the sentiment, but....

When was the last time I did that?

[BigDaddyCool]

Noid, quit spazzing out.

[Kane Knight]

No, that was just me taking freedom and using "sleeps" as a verb, in the same vain that fucks, bangs, nails, sexes, porks, forks, bones, roots, shtups, shags, rides, surfs, worms, penetrates, logs, or mans could be. Not that I would have expected you to be up-to-date on what verbing women is all about.

Now, there was some irony in the first sentence, KK. Look closely and see if you can connect the dots. By the way, I do love how you study my posts just looking for things to try and use against me, as if I killed your dog or something. I'd say you were obsessed with me, but you seem like the obsessive stalker type, so it doesnt' really surprise me, and wouldn't be news to you.

LOL retcon.

So...Is the irony that you misuse grammar, or that you do sound like a sociopath? Otherwise, it's been picked up. Move on. Accept the burn, and stop trying to revise things.

When was the last time I did that?

Last time I posted pictures, oddly enough. Well, a couple weeks after. Maybe you think that's fair because it's beyond some invisible statute of limitations or something, but a spade is a spade.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Come now, Noid. You were burned. Just live with it for once, and get back to the actual thread. The "everyone is wrong but me" act doesn't really fool anyone.

I did admit it. That is what the irony comment to BDC was about. :lol:

In a sentence so close to where I was talking about how close to illiterate BDC is, I made a typo. Egg on my face. First time BDC would have ever picked up on something like that. I pointed it out and congratulated him.

No, you might need help with trying to prove your point, is all. Making fun of them isn't going to help.

Prove what point? That what happened on ECW actually happened? I don't need to prove that. KK trying to disprove it, or calling everyone liars until someone serves him the video is sad. He is uneducated on Jack Swagger, and that is not my problem.

He doesn't have to like him, nor does BDC. I couldn't care less. BDC, for the most part, has a horrible taste in wrestlers. KK is cynical before he wakes up in the morning. I will say that neither appears to be too up-to-date on Swagger's run on ECW as a whole, so neither really has a fully formed opinion of him. Good for them.

[Jeritron]

oh sweet jesus guys

[Mr. Nerfect]

LOL retcon.

So...Is the irony that you misuse grammar, or that you do sound like a sociopath? Otherwise, it's been picked up. Move on. Accept the burn, and stop trying to revise things.

No, that wasn't a retcon. I love the way you accuse me of making stuff up. You finally got it with the misuse grammar stuff, but lose points for bringing up the sociopath stuff (wrong), needing 100 hints, and telling me to stop revising things when you brought them up. Dick.

Again, I accepted the burn from the start. That's why I went back and patched it up, and gave BDC kudos for picking up on the irony of the situation. Been there, done that. Get with it, dude.

[Mr. Nerfect]

oh sweet jesus guys

You didn't click on a thread about Jack Swagger and expect it to be a thread about Jack Swagger, did you?

[thedamndest]

Looking back, I think the point was to get the title off Matt than to get the title on Swagger. I agree with ABT's point about Swagger being the de facto best choice due to ECW's thin roster (unless they were to *gasp* have a vacant title). Finlay wouldn't have fought Matt for it in face v. face, Boogen is Boogen, Henry is terrible, Tommy will feud for it later this year, Miz and Morrison are tag champs...I think that's everyone...

I think Troy McClure has potential, but I don't think he'll get higher than the IC title.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Looking back, I think the point was to get the title off Matt than to get the title on Swagger. I agree with ABT's point about Swagger being the de facto best choice due to ECW's thin roster (unless they were to *gasp* have a vacant title). Finlay wouldn't have fought Matt for it in face v. face, Boogen is Boogen, Henry is terrible, Tommy will feud for it later this year, Miz and Morrison are tag champs...I think that's everyone...

I think Troy McClure has potential, but I don't think he'll get higher than the IC title.

I agree with you on everything but on where Swagger will get. I think he can do far better.

[BigDaddyCool]

I never said give it to Boogen. I do think a vacent title would have been better with Swagger climbing the ranks and adding some more wins and promoting him. But like I said, I don't like him, he is too green, and it makes the ECW title look weak.

[BigDaddyCool]

I agree with you on everything but on where Swagger will get. I think he can do far better.

That is because you think every bland rookie that walks through the door is great for no reason other than the dirt sheets said so. And look at your track record, Doug Basham is no where, Val Venis is no where, Sean O'Hare is no where. Who else do you like, oh Mike Knox is losing to Rey, that is going great.

You constantly bemoan how I like shitty wrestlers while backing boring wrestlers. Good job. No go argue that for the next 3 pages.

[Jeritron]

You guys are all wasting a lot of energy on nothing. Like what you like and discuss it, but stop resorting to argument over irrelevant shit. It's all the extension of an undying vendetta anyways, and for people criticizing eachothers skills and logic of argument, you all employ classic fallacies.
Irrelevance, ad hominem, red herring, appeals to innapropriate authority.

KK loves to harp on strawman, but it's not the only argument that's flawed. Every type he uses is just as easily categorized as fallacy.

Good luck guys.

[FourFifty]

I hate to disagree with BDC, and even more so if it means taking Noid's side, but I like The Swag.
Solid in the ring. In the ring he reminds me of some of the old school AWA wrestlers. I didn't catch his promo on Dreamer, but I do want to see him with a mouth piece like Hayes. If they don't do that then give him a diva search loser, or do a face diva/heel wrestler pair with Kelly Kelly. It would give her air time, and it would give us another reason to hate The Swag.


Albeit "The All American" American name is a little too much.

[thedamndest]

Right now I consider the ECW title to be the beginner's title. They may throw it to a guy like Matt or Kane every so often to keep it credible, but as a World Title they've had it on just as many new faces. They gave Morrison a pretty good run with it, arguably the Lashley run, Punk, now this guy.

[Jeritron]

P.S., I am not siding with or against anybody in this endless fued. I just think it's awful. It spills over into every thread, and is disguised as being on topic when it clearly represents a bigger problem.

KK and BDC, you guys did the same thing in casual with Jon Kano and it sucked. It's not that I think anyone right or wrong, I just think it's petty.
Neither side is going to sway, and you're all of the mind that you're correct and superior. So let it be.

Big arguments and fueds are fun. But not all the time in every thread

[Jeritron]

tpww pacifist

[Anybody Thrilla]

LOL retcon.

So...Is the irony that you misuse grammar, or that you do sound like a sociopath? Otherwise, it's been picked up. Move on. Accept the burn, and stop trying to revise things.



Last time I posted pictures, oddly enough. Well, a couple weeks after. Maybe you think that's fair because it's beyond some invisible statute of limitations or something, but a spade is a spade.

I haven't seen a recent picture of you in the photo album in like two years. Beyond that, I hardly posted at all on TPWW from August to November. Even since my return, I know I haven't seen any picture of you, let alone made fun of them. You sure you don't have me confused with somebody else?

[Juan]

KK, Noid and BDC ruin anouther thread :n:

[BigDaddyCool]

BDC started this thread, therefore BDC is allowed to ruin it. Also, I would say more of Noid and KK ruined it, I tried to bring this thread back on track at least once.

[DAMN iNATOR]

The only things I really hate about Swagger is that dumb one-piece tights he wears to the ring, and that Jimmy Carter-esque smile (see the pic on the first page if you don't know what I'm talking about.

[BigDaddyCool]

That is called a singlet, and that is what real wrestlers wear, it makes sense.

[Skippord]

God I hate the wrestling forum sometimes

and Ricky Ortiz, fuck that guy

[Krimzon7]

:lol:
Swagger is ok, but he's no champ right now. The ECW title should be vacant, with a good tournament, using some Raw and SD! guys that aren't doing much of anything right now. This way we can have an ECW title scene with some seldom used talent, and thus a more entertaining angle than what we currently have now.

[Destor]

I want to delete this thread so bad

[BigDaddyCool]

Shut up destor. Anyhow, I just saw yet another Swagger match, this time against Finlay. I like Finlay, and it seemed like Finlay was doing everything in the match and Swagger was mostly play the part of a broom. I'm not saying Swagger sucks, I'm just saying that Finlay was out their wrestling and Swagger was being told what to do.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

It's odd. They clearly have high hopes for Swagger, but they're almost using the championship to turn him into a good worker. The issue with that is your champion should always be one of your ring generals. They shouldn't have to be lead through their matches as that severely limits your possibilities in terms of possible feuds.

[Destor]

I saw his promo tonight, pretty good stuff actually.

[Kane Knight]

It's odd. They clearly have high hopes for Swagger, but they're almost using the championship to turn him into a good worker. The issue with that is your champion should always be one of your ring generals. They shouldn't have to be lead through their matches as that severely limits your possibilities in terms of possible feuds.

Agreed.

[Juan]

I saw his promo tonight, pretty good stuff actually.

Agreed, also the match was pretty good too.

[Juan]

http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv209/ramon2K9/JackSwaggerECWChamp.jpg

[BigDaddyCool]

Swagger might one day be good, but he shouldn't be training to wrestle and have the 3rd highest belt in WWE. I mean I know we watched Batista get trained, but he wasn't the champion while training.

[Kane Knight]

Swagger might one day be good, but he shouldn't be training to wrestle and have the 3rd highest belt in WWE. I mean I know we watched Batista get trained, but he wasn't the champion while training.

And even then, the results were lackluster (Judging by the IWC...).

But then, the ECW title doesn't count, so it's safe.

[Destor]

Agreed, also the match was pretty good too.
The match was very good.

[BigDaddyCool]

I never said the match was bad, I was just saying it was all Finaly.

[Juan]

I know, I was just making an observation.

[Destor]

I never said the match was bad, I was just saying it was all Finaly.
Most of it yes, but when you're a rookie you ALWAYS work the veterans match. You don't call anything, you don't do anything. You play his game.

[BigDaddyCool]

Which is why he should be training and champion at the same time. :roll:

[Destor]

Find where I said he should be the champ.

[BigDaddyCool]

So then you agree with me that he shouldn't be champ right now?

[thedamndest]

He would absolutely set a precedent for the first guy to have held a belt before he was ready.

[Nark Order]

I think Troy McClure has potential, but I don't think he'll get higher than the IC title.

Troy McClure. Not coming to mind. Where might I remember him from?

[thedamndest]

You might remember him from such wrestling shows as The Gut Wrench Power Bomb: The Rookie's Finisher, and Life as a Jobber: the Iron Mike Sharpe Story.

[Juan]

ROFLLL

[Destor]

So then you agree with me that he shouldn't be champ right now?
Trust me, no one is more against giving guys titles when they're green than me. However, given that they have I think he's doing a fine job.

[BigDaddyCool]

Find where I said he should be the champ.

Trust me, no one is more against giving guys titles when they're green than me. However, given that they have I think he's doing a fine job.

[Destor]

I don't follow you.

[Nark Order]

I want the assist on that one, thed!

[Dorkchop]

I barely watch ECW because it airs Friday night at midnight, but what I've seen from Swagger has been "meh". He has the look and personality of an under midcarder. He could be the kind of guy who will grow into their role after a few years. I'm not doubting his ability at all. WWE wouldn't have given him the ECW title if they didn't see something special in him. I just don't think he's ready to be any kind of champ so soon. Maybe a tag champ if he had a real partner. But this is also pretending that the titles actually mean something these days.

His music does not suit him at all. It's way too cool. They could have given that to The Brian Kendrick, Morrison, Miz, or someone else.

[thedamndest]

They needed to get the title off Hardy. I am 100% sure that is why Swagger has the title right now rather than 6 months from now.

[BigDaddyCool]

Well that is just dumb hot shot booking. It wasn't like they didn't know they needed to get the belt of Hardy because of injury or wellness violations.

[thedamndest]

It's not really been hot shotted though. He had a good defense against Hardy at RR. Hardy had to drop it to someone, and Swagger was probably the only viable candidate only ECW at the time, but I don't think it's worked out badly.

[Dorkchop]

What about Finlay?

[BigDaddyCool]

Finlay, Tommy Dreamer, Mark Henry, Miz, and Morrison would have all been better than Swagger. I've said that before in this very thread.

[thedamndest]

I know you have. I didn't agree.

[BigDaddyCool]

Why, Henry and Hardy have history, Mark could have gotten another win over Hardy. Mark and Tommy Dreamer could have fueded till maina, Tommy could have won the ECW as a last hurrah, and then lost it to Swagger after Swagger had gotten his name out a little more and had a series with Finaly to get him less green.

[Nark Order]

All those choices are terrible except for Morrison and he is preoccupied.

[Nark Order]

Also, I think it fit better with the storyline for Hardy to not even be able to beat a rookie at this point in time while his brother is far surpassing him in the main event. It helped build the frustration imo.

[thedamndest]

1) We just saw Hardy/Henry. If anything looks like "hotshotting it would be a putting the title back on Henry.

2) They seem to be saving Dreamer for the summer. For that to be viable they need to build him up too. Yeah, he's Tommy Dreamer, but on ECW, he hasn't exactly been HHH. That's why he's in an angle where he says he's going to retire if he can't win the title. For him to up and beat Henry at Mania would be pretty iffy right now.

3) Any of the other guys in ECW, not viable. Miz and Morrison are solidly in their team. Finlay and Dreamer don't make sense because they would be booking face v. face, which is a rarity in the WWE.

[Kane Knight]

Finlay, Tommy Dreamer, Mark Henry, Miz, and Morrison would have all been better than Swagger. I've said that before in this very thread.

I'd prefer any of those guys. Well, except "that guy who tags with Morrison."

[BigDaddyCool]

I've said my piece, I'm tired of this circle of arguments.

[Kane Knight]

If anything looks like "hotshotting it would be a putting the title back on Henry.

Not really.

[Kane Knight]

I've said my piece, I'm tired of this circle of arguments.

Echo Chamber.

[Juan]

I'd rather see Hornswoggle as ECW champion than be subjected to Mark Henry again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

All those choices are terrible except for Morrison and he is preoccupied.

:y:

There are flaws with all of those guys as ECW Champion. The only one I can maybe agree with is Finlay. Already, at this stage of his career, Jack Swagger is already better than Mark Henry. If Henry wins another title soon, it'll hopefully be a Tag Team Championship, just to keep him out of the main event picture.

John Morrison & The Miz are involved too heavily in their tag team shit, right now. Besides, I personally feel that John Morrison winning the ECW Title would actually be a step backwards for him. He's already held it. After he breaks up with The Miz, it should be onto either RAW or SmackDown! in a more prominent role. As for The Miz, I don't quite think people take him seriously enough yet, even though he is improving. If Tommy Dreamer does win the ECW Title in June, I see The Miz being the one to win it off him then. But that's only if Dreamer beats Swagger for the belt, which is a long-shot.

As for Tommy Dreamer winning the ECW Title? It completely cuts into his intriguing story. Dreamer is still solid in the ring, and a good promo man, but he needs to be built up. Swagger already went over Dreamer by the time they decided to take the ECW Title off Matt Hardy, anyway.

The only option I think could be reasoned as being a better choice than Jack Swagger right now, is Finlay. But those two are feuding now anyway.

[BigDaddyCool]

I know I was said I was done, but then noid had to come in and completely miss the mark. My argument is that Swagger is to green to be anything but a lower teir champion, not the 3 highest in WWE. The simple fact he is now fueding with Finlay doesn't fix that. Also, my argument that slapping the belt on Swagger to simply get it off Hardy is hot shotting.

With a little bit of preplanning, any of the 5 or 6 guys I keep mentioning would have been better than Swagger as most of them are former champions or at the same caliber as past ECW champions. While I agree that Miz and Morrison are a little tied up as tag champions, but then again WWE never pays attention to the tag belts and they are rarely on PPV, so they could fit in a ECW championship run for one of them

I honestly thought Mark Henry makes good ECW champion as Mark Henry is a gatekeeper. If you beat him, you are on your way to bigger and better things, if you don't beat him, you probably aren't going to advance much further anytime soon. And with Henry, because of his size and gimmick, wins don't matter much because he will still look like a monster (same as Kane or Bigshow).

Tommy Dreamer could have won the title and had a last hurrah and lost it at Wrestlemania and retired. From what I know about Dreamer, jobbing the ECW title to the next big star would have been the highlight of his career. And, just a little preplanning because they knew Matt Hardy was going to be involved in a storyline with his brother, they could have easily worked that out.

As for Finlay he has been on a tear in ECW, it would have made prefect sence for him to get the title, and then he could have feuded with Swagger till Mania, or there could have been a 3 way dance between Swagger, Finlay, and Dreamer.

[Kane Knight]

There are flaws with all of those guys as ECW Champion.

Being green and relatively unknown is a bigger flaw than anything you're putting up against the other guys. Yeah, you like Swagger better than Mark Henry. Henry may suck, but he's a former champion, a big name relative to the WWE's currents, and a monster. Beating him could easily make someone look good regardless of his status as a glorified paperweight.

[Nark Order]

You all are always the first to complain about WWE not making new stars and then when they try to do it there's a load of bitching about it. Come on.

[BigDaddyCool]

No I'm not. I tend to point out when they have while everyone else is complaining they haven't.

[BigDaddyCool]

Though I have always been against pushing green wrestlers to the moon, that is just bad policy.

[Kane Knight]

You all are always the first to complain about WWE not making new stars and then when they try to do it there's a load of bitching about it. Come on.

If you're gonna lie, Narc, make it believable.

That aside, wanting them to push new people and not wanting them to push green people are not mutually exclusive thoughts.

Contradiction? Failed.

[Destor]

If you're gonna lie, Narc, make it believable.
You can't honestly think you don't do that. Seriously, even you aren't that stupid.

[Destor]

You're the most wishy washy poster on this board you simply bitch abnout what ever is currently happening, irrelevent of whether or not you were bitch about the exact opposite thing just months before.

[BigDaddyCool]

I do not.

[Kane Knight]

You can't honestly think you don't do that. Seriously, even you aren't that stupid.

You of all people shouldn't be calling me on either making shit up or being stupid. :)

[Destor]

You can play that card all day KK. I'm no liar. You go around calling everyone liar's when they point out your flaws, I'm beging to think you're delusional.

[Kane Knight]

You're the most wishy washy poster on this board you simply bitch abnout what ever is currently happening, irrelevent of whether or not you were bitch about the exact opposite thing just months before.

LOL. Keep trying, Des. Maybe if you wish really hard, your bullshit will become true.

[Destor]

LOL. Keep trying, Des. Maybe if you wish really hard, your bullshit will become true.Yeah bro, gotta be bs cause you think otherwise. You need to pull you head out of your ass brother. Seriously.

[BigDaddyCool]

I love it. Ever dodge possible has been brought to this thread.

1) Acussing me of not watching ECW/Swagger so my opinion isn't valid.
2) There was no one else ready if you ignore half the roster
3) He is doing a great job despite us all agreeing he is too green and shouldn't hold the 3rd highest title.
4) I always complain about how WWE doesn't make new stars, now that they are I'm complaining it isn't the right star (which is a complete bullshit statment, but whatever).
5) I'm bitchy, wishy-washy and thefefore my opinion is moot.

Love it, keep dodging everything guy.

[Destor]

I love it. Ever dodge possible has been brought to this thread.

1) Acussing me of not watching ECW/Swagger so my opinion isn't valid.
2) There was no one else ready if you ignore half the roster
3) He is doing a great job despite us all agreeing he is too green and shouldn't hold the 3rd highest title.
4) I always complain about how WWE doesn't make new stars, now that they are I'm complaining it isn't the right star (which is a complete bullshit statment, but whatever).
5) I'm bitchy, wishy-washy and thefefore my opinion is moot.

Love it, keep dodging everything guy.
Wrong account?

[Kane Knight]

You can play that card all day KK. I'm no liar. You go around calling everyone liar's when they point out your flaws, I'm beging to think you're delusional.

Hello, Pot!

Go on. Find some cases. Get back to me when you do.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah bro, gotta be bs cause you think otherwise. You need to pull you head out of your ass brother. Seriously.

Again...Take your own advice?

[Destor]

LOL how many times have you used this same bs with Noid?

[Destor]

Get a new stchick KK. No ones buys your bull shit.*

[Destor]

*except BDC

[BigDaddyCool]

Destor, are you arguing just to argue now? Because you do realize that I'm right about Swagger and you are just trying to win something now?

[Destor]

Destor, are you arguing just to argue now? Because you do realize that I'm right about Swagger and you are just trying to win something now?I'm not arguing with you BDC. I have no clue why you seem to think you have a dog in this fight.

[Destor]

I told you pages ago you were right.

[BigDaddyCool]

Good, then shut up. I don't think I have a dog in this fight, but it is happening in my thread, and I don't allow that kinda pointless arguing. Go make a thread about pointless arguing if you want that. This is about how Swagger sucks.

[Destor]

You were the one arguing about grammer on page 2

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah, my thread, I get to do that.

[Destor]

Yeah, my bad, I just love the penis.

It's cool.

[Destor]

LOL, you edited your post.

[BigDaddyCool]

That is abuse of mod powers, plust I wasn't arguing about grammar on page 2. Assume you are viewing this at 40 post a page.

[Destor]

The first reply was better

[Nark Order]

KK, what about what I said is not the truth?

1.) Everybody on here bitches that news stars aren't being made more often. Including you.
2.) When WWE attempts to make new stars everybody bitches about it. Including you.

I don't know where you're getting all this lying of mine from. He's green, sure. But we haven't really seen where WWE is going with all this and ECW championship isn't exactly the highest pinnacle that a wrestler can achieve. So all of this 'blowing their load' stuff everyone is going on about doesn't even apply. It seems as if they're going with a slow buildup.

[The Mackem]

WTF is going on in here?

[BigDaddyCool]

Arguing about bullshit.

[The Mackem]

Destor's penis?

[Jeritron]

He hasn't seen it for years because it's been buried in your mama's poonjabi prison

[The Mackem]

Can this be changed to the original topic title and then just left FFS.

[Destor]

Don't let us have any fun or anything THE MACKEM

[The Mackem]

There is nothing fun about the Wrestling forum!!

[Destor]

AND WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU AROUND I SEE IT'LL STAY THAT WAY

[Jeritron]

Another spot of tea?

[Juan]

So glad KK and BDC hardly post in the wrestling forum anymore.

Now we just need to do something about all these noobs who refuse to make legible/coherent posts.

[Lock Jaw]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/853/slideshow_85345/display_image.jpg

[ron the dial]

i care deeply for swagger

[Damian Rey]

i care deeply for swagger

As do I.

[Xero]

Was so glad when Swagger dropped the title.

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[Damian Rey]

Was so glad when Swagger dropped the title.

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In a good way or bad? I was glad becuase it gave Christian a top title within months of a debut and made him the focal point of the programming. I was also glad seeing that Swagger could have moved shows and continued to develop as a character and in ring worker.

Unfortunately, onyl one of those things happened, and Swagger is now in a mini fued with Santino:-\