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Old 01-26-2009, 10:01 AM   #1
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I don't care for Swagger
Not because he is a heel, but because he is just so bland, and green. The gutwrench powerbomb is nice, but the rest of the match is just so meh.

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Old 01-26-2009, 10:05 AM   #2
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His personality and look also remind me of the head high school jock. You know the one, the captian of the football team or something, and he sets a new school record for the most rushing yards and gets by in all his classes but burns out way to quick. Sure he is cocky now, but lets see him in 10 years when he is working at his dad's construction business as 3rd best salesman.

That is the feeling I get from Swagger. Highschool/all american gimmick could work, but he doesn't play it up enough for all the bright colors of wrestling.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:10 AM   #3
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I think he needs some mic time to explain who he is and what he's all about. I mean ok, Striker and Grisham could build him up...but people wanna hear from him, and it would be taken more seriously.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:22 AM   #4
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Fist you trash Dolph Ziggler, now my man Swagger? BDC, it's like I don't even know you anymore.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:23 AM   #5
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Ziggler is better than Swagger. Ziggler at least plays up his gimmick.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:24 AM   #6
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I know where BDC is comin from...Swagger reminds him of that bully he had in high school.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:26 AM   #7
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No he doesn't. Cause I never had a bully, and Swagger doesn't seem like a bully, he kinda reminds me of a dude I knew in high school that I was cool with, but not a bully.
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Well then I am mistaken and apologize.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:49 AM   #9
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Ziggler is better than Swagger. Ziggler at least plays up his gimmick.
Sounds like a porn name, don't it?
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:56 AM   #10
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Dolph Ziggler sounds like a porn name, but his gimmick has nothing to do with it.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:59 AM   #11
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Meant swagger. For some reason, it made me think of it when you said the whole bit about him in ten years. I know douchebag jocks and porn stars aren't the same thing, but still.
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:05 AM   #12
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I think him being a porn star has as much credit as the Burchills fucking each other. A rumors starts up that WWE is going in that direction, but the story lines never reveal it unless you are purposely reading into them and saying "See, she said he is beautiful, they are obviously incestuous."
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:27 AM   #13
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I think him being a porn star has as much credit as the Burchills fucking each other. A rumors starts up that WWE is going in that direction, but the story lines never reveal it unless you are purposely reading into them and saying "See, she said he is beautiful, they are obviously incestuous."
Oh shit, Ryan Clark is going to be posting my comment as news in two weeks. "Porn Star turn in future? Which WWE superstar displayed exposed nipples this week? Stephanie pregnant pics!"

Anyway, I take your point, though it was a touch tangential.
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:28 AM   #14
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Swagger needs to have a Cheerleader and play to the Jock thing fully, or just drop it all together.

Have him be the college jock letter jacket guy that Nowinski should have been
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:32 AM   #15
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Swagger needs to have a Cheerleader and play to the Jock thing fully, or just drop it all together.

Have him be the college jock letter jacket guy that Nowinski should have been
Four words come to mind:

High School marching band.

Mwahahahahahaha...
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:02 PM   #16
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Honestly, I just hate his name. I can see the writes trying to figure something out for him.

WRITER 1: We've got this guy Jack, but Vince wants him to have a new last name.

WRITER 2: What's his gimmick?

WRITER 1: He's like a high school jock, kind of cocky, like an all American football preppy, but with some swagger to him as well.

WRITER 2: How about that?

WRITER 1: What?

WRITER 2: Swagger?

WRITER: Hmm... yeah that works.
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:32 PM   #17
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I actually really enjoyed the ECW title match last night. Thought it went pretty perfectly. Also, I KNEW something was up as soon as they started milking the whole Hardy crying over his loss deal.
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:35 PM   #18
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Swagger is a decent wrestling name what with all the Flairs and Nitros and Jerichos and so forth, I have no problem with the name. This time it isn't the writting, it is the guy carrying the character.
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I think the main problem here is that he hasn't really showcased a character yet. He's the huge smiling guy that beat Hardy for the belt.
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Plus there is the fact that he really has been soley on ECW tv to this point and now a ppv. He really hasn't been out there.
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I think the guy definitely has that 'star' look to him but at the moment he's got nothing to back it up. If the WWE is going to shove him down our throats, I need some substance. Develop his character a little more, align him with a known star, and give him some mic time and then this won't be so out of whack.
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Narc, who would/could you team Swagger with to build on his character?
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Narc, who would/could you team Swagger with to build on his character?
Well, there are alot of possibilities at the moment that could really help out. I mean, Swagger is a clean slate. They haven't done anything to make him or break him yet. After all the cuts that have been made this year, I'm not 100% sure who is with the company anymore but her it goes:

"Freebird" Michael Hayes- Excellent on the stick and would be a really great manager for a guy like Swagger. Swaggers main problem right now is a lack of hype and a lack of personality so I could see this pairing helping with both of those aspects. Hayes could pull something where Swagger confronts him backstage, Hayes looks at the ECW title and says something like "Boy, you don't even know what you got." and then walks away. Blah, blah, setting up for a manager/mentor type deal.

Christian- I know that they'll probably have bigger plans for Jay when he finally gets around to coming in but the similarities between Christian and Swagger are pretty uncanny. They both have the same type of cocky bastard heel look to them and I could see Swagger developing into a character much like that of Cage.

Chris Jericho- The spot of Lance Cade as Jericho's follower was never really filled again after Cade's departure. Maybe Swagger could pull a "Now that I've been here for awhile, I can see that everything you're saying is absolutely true" type thing.

Matt Striker- He could be pretty easily replaced on commentary for ECW and Striker is a great manager. He already talks Swagger up on a weekly basis so...

Other than that, I can't think of all too much unless he formed a stable on ECW with Miz and Morrison. Anyway, just some ideas.
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Just some Great ideas, thanks Narc. I actually like the idea with Jericho, as he could be good in the Lance Cade type of role. Here's an out of the blue Idea... Why not turn Finlay heel and pair them up? But Finlay isn't good on the mic. OR, why not have Teddy Long sign Swagger on to Keep that fag Ortiz away from his chick!
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I think the character that Swagger reminds BDC of makes for a great heel, actually. You want to hate him because he's such a douche bag, but you can't deny that he's good at what he does. I thought the match last night was good, along with the original title win and that Extreme Rules match with Tommy Dreamer all that time ago. He does feel slightly forced, but there's really not too much else to work with on the ECW brand right now. I think they're trying to align him with a more established guy by having him team with Mark Henry, but I guess they don't realize that nobody really gives a fuck about Mark Henry either.
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Old 01-26-2009, 05:17 PM   #27
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Old 01-26-2009, 05:19 PM   #28
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Yes Juan, that's who this thread is about. Very good.
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Old 01-26-2009, 05:32 PM   #29
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I've never seen Swagger on my television.
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:03 PM   #30
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:05 PM   #31
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No, the era of mediocrity has been on us for a while now, Swagger is just another in the long line of meh, i guess he can be champion.
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:16 PM   #32
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I think champions like Swagger add to the feeling that anybody can win a title on any given night. I do like him a lot though.
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pfffft, that isn't really a good thing.
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Anything can happen in the WWF!
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but rarely anything truely interesting.
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There's a difference between the feeling that anything can happen and it actually happening. The former's really good. The latter, usually not so much.

Though to be honest, I used to wish they'd throw us the occasional curveball, so this could have been nice, had it not just been the latest in a long line of events.
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I think he has potential (hell, he's only like 25 or 26), but the title reign is coming too soon for anyone to really give a crap about him. It doesn't make much sense to stick a title on a guy when he's only been in the company for literally 4 months and only wrestled on a 1-hour C-show. At least Angle had weeks of vignettes and Lesnar had Heyman to help get him over...Swagger's just sitting there with that goofy smile on his face trying to be a heel with a crappy "All-American American" gimmick. He's got the size of somebody who could be booked as a brutal overpowering heel, but instead he's made out to look like this big oaf who's just happy to be there.

The cocky jock thing can be pulled off, but let the man cut some promos or get him a manager to make him unique. Right now he's just Generic Former Amateur Champion #235.
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Did anyone see the promo he cut during his feud with Tommy Dreamer? That shit really helped him stand out as an asshole. And not the jocky kind of asshole that BDC is talking about, but the kind of asshole that calls your daughter a cunt without having ever met her. And then he goes and sleeps her. Twice.

If you've been watching his entire career, you'd know that he's not just a cocky asshole, but the character he plays is a pretty disgusting person.

The guy is damn good in the ring, in my opinion, but I'm not going to try and sell him anymore than that. I'll let Swagger do his own selling, because he's going to be around for a while.
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