Who do you actaully credit WCW for creating?

[BigDaddyCool]

I mean everyone says Goldberg, but who else. I think we can also say Bigshow, DDP, and maybe even Sting depending on how you look at things.

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[Krimzon7]

I would also add Chris Benoit, Eddie Gurrero, Chris Jericho, for starters. Let me really think about this one...

[BigDaddyCool]

They weren't stars in WCW, they were midcard guys.

[DaveBrawl]

Booker T

[DaveBrawl]

Scott Steiner may be a stretch to add, but I'd say him as well.

[Anybody Thrilla]

They weren't stars in WCW, they were midcard guys.

Chris Benoit won the WCW Championship in WCW. Not quite a midcarder. Please don't say anything about David Arquette.

Jericho was on the verge of superstardom, and I will say that my favorite work from Jericho was in WCW, but he wasn't really catapulted into stardom until he jumped to the WWF. I would love to give WCW credit for seeing the potential in Jericho, but from the way he put things in his book, it just seemed like he was there and they could really care less.

I would definitely say DDP and Sting were stars made by WCW. Lex Luger maybe? Oh, and we can't forget Jerry Flynn.

[Krimzon7]

Luger spent the early part of the 90's in the WWF. I liked the gimmick of the Narcissus...


BDC You didn't ask how many ME'ers the WCW spit out, you asked about who they created... By that token, they made the three I mentioned. And as much as I hate to admit it they can be credited for that little shit Rey Maestrio

[Anybody Thrilla]

I know, but Luger was in WCW before the WWF run, kinda sucked balls in WWF, then went back to WCW to marginal success. I consider Lex more of a WCW guy than anything.

[BigDaddyCool]

Luger spent the early part of the 90's in the WWF. I liked the gimmick of the Narcissus...


BDC You didn't ask how many ME'ers the WCW spit out, you asked about who they created... By that token, they made the three I mentioned. And as much as I hate to admit it they can be credited for that little shit Rey Maestrio

I meant stars.

[Triple Naitch]

Booker T, Sting, DDP, Big Show

[Fignuts]

Sting became a star in the NWA. But yeah, Steiner, Booker, DDP, Goldberg, Big Show, Benoit, Jericho, and Mysterio.

[BodySlam]

now i'm not saying stars

but i credit them for having one of the best
faction in industry ever

the nWo

[Funky Fly]

Chris Jericho created himself. He developed his character as a self preservation tactic in an environment where cruiserweights were a dime a dozen and people were getting hired and fired left and right. WCW never really did him any favours beyond the cruiser title and Rufus/the Jerichoholic Ninja.

[CSL]

David Arquette

Bet nodbody saw that coming

[Jeritron]

Booker T, Sting, DDP, Big Show

[Jeritron]

Also, some other things:

- regularly live television, and big event programming.
- high production quality.
- bigger matchups on television, rather than just jobber vs star format.
- a faster paced environment.
- monthly PPVs.

They also played a big part in the anti-face hero.

Gotta give them credit for nWo too

[Krimzon7]

So are you saying that we can thank them for Cyber Sunday? wait wrong thread...

[Krimzon7]

Did anybody say Eric Bischoff? Somebody should.

[Xero]

Bischoff made Bischoff, quite literally.

[Krimzon7]

where did he do it though?

[Xero]

WCW, but I don't credit WCW for getting him over, just as I don't credit the WWF for getting Vince over.

[Xero]

I know I'm just splitting hairs here.

[Krimzon7]

You are splitting hairs,












my BALL hairs!

[SammyG]

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[Vastardikai]

Booker T, Sting, DDP, Big Show

Booker T got his start in GWF, the promotion that arose out of Dallas from the ashes of WCCW. He and his brother started off in the Ebony Experience. They went to WCW as Harlem Heat and became huge from there. yes.

Sting was one fourth of Powerteam USA, and was one of three people to survive the UWF being bought out by NWA/WCW unscathed. (rep if you guess the other survivors. Steve Williams isn't considered one of them.) He was decently over in UWF, feuding with the late "Hot Stuff" Eddie Gilbert. It was in NWA/WCW where his career took off, in an awesome match against Flair. Definitely yes.

He was in one of the early Wrestlemanias as the driver of Rhythm 'n Blues' caddy. He also worked AWA as a manager for the Bad Breed. He also was a manager for WCW, for the Freebirds (where he was too much like Michael Hayes), The Diamond Studd (Scott hall), and Vinnie Vegas (Kevin Nash). He then decided to try wrestling himself and it was a great move. I agree.

Big Show, as the Giant, wrestled his first match and won the WCW Heavyweight Title. So beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Scott Steiner is another one, as one half of the Steiners.

[Vastardikai]

sorry, most of that was nothing new.

[Triple Naitch]

Nobody back then went straight to the big leagues without establishing themselves in some of the lower wrestling organizations. WCW made Booker, Sting, and DDP the stars that the other companies never could have imagined.

[Kane86]

THE YETI! LOL just joking

[Storer50]

Hey, everyone is forgetting Norman Smiley. He was a lot more entertaining then most of the main eventers

[Fox]

Torrie Wilson

[SammyG]

Prolly the Yeti and Robocop. Yeah.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They weren't stars in WCW, they were midcard guys.

Well, Chris Benoit technically won the WCW Championship there. I could make the arguement that the work they did in WCW allowed them to successfully cross over to the WWE, but I think their entire careers sort of led to their WWE careers.

Chris Jericho is probably the one I'd make the biggest case in relation to WCW "making" him, if only because he was such a damn shining star in WCW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Torrie Wilson

Yeah, I'd agree with this. And Stacy Keibler. WCW took those two bimbos, and for what they were, they were pretty successful.

Sting, DDP, Big Show, Scott Steiner and Booker T have all been presented as the obvious choices. But while they had successful careers in the WWE, I'm going to have to suggest Kevin Nash and Scott Hall as two. More so Nash. Not that he wasn't already a "star," but the nWo was a massive, massive thing. I knew who Kevin Nash was in 1999, and I started watching in 2001.

The nWo angle in WCW took Kevin Nash and Scott Hall to heights they would never experience anywhere else. I'm sure people will argue with me because they weren't jobbers anywhere else, but I don't care. If anything, I am crediting the success they had in WCW.

Also, while people might like to make fun of him a lot -- WCW did make Rey Mysterio, in my opinion. Like him or not, he's a former World Champion, Royal Rumble winner, and is a massive mover of merchandise.

On smaller scales, Finlay, Hurricane Helms, Chavo Guerrero and Jamie Noble have had impressive stays in the WWE, probably due to their WCW work. Finlay earns two paychecks, and often works in the main event; The Hurricane was a very popular character at one stage; Chavo Guerrero is a former ECW Champion; and Jamie Noble was working as a road agent (at least for a while, not sure if he still is). They're not "stars," but I think WCW was very incredibly important to them staying as relevant as they have been.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Keep in mind that those last four guys I listed I meant in relative terms. I just think they really benefitted from their WCW careers, instead of having the life sucked out of them.

[The Mackem]

WCW always seemed more likely to do more with Jarrett

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jarrett is a good one, actually.

[The Optimist]

How Jarrett became so successful, I'll never know.

[BigDaddyCool]

Jarrett is a whore. He bounced from promotion to promotion. I don't really count him as a star. He has no drawing power, look at TNA.

[Krimzon7]

He coined Slap Nuts. That instantly put him over!

[Krimzon7]

BDC is right. He was an aboslute whore, his gimmick was to copy Flair/Honkey Tonk/Austin(although to a lesser extent).

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Not "stars" necessarily but still very popular:
Ron Simmons
Sid
Konnan
Buff Bagwell

[Xero]

Bagwell isn't a star and wasn't "made" by any stretch of the imagination.

[Krimzon7]

I was wondering if anybody was going to mention Sid Vicious.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How Jarrett became so successful, I'll never know.

I'm far from the man's biggest fan. If he never wrestles another match ever again, I wouldn't give a fuck. But Jarrett is honestly underrated. The man is a good wrestler. Also, when it comes to booking himself to all those NWA World Title reigns in TNA, I can understand why he did it. Much like I can understand why the WWE puts the title on Triple H all the time, even though I don't like it.

I wouldn't call him one of wrestling's stars, but I would consider him a figure important enough (if just for creating TNA), and he really rose to prominence first in WCW, winning four World Championships there.

[Fignuts]

Bagwell isn't a star and wasn't "made" by any stretch of the imagination.

Speaking of Bagwell, can someone explain to me why Bagwell is on the Legends of Wrestling 3 dvd set?

[The Mackem]

LOL

[Fabien Barthez]

I would argue that WCW made Hollywood Hogan. When they were using him as Vince's vision of Hulk, he wasn't drawing at the time, when he was repackaged, he was as big of a draw as ever.... almost.

But yeah, that was a creation of WCW.

[Ironballs]

I would argue that WCW made Hollywood Hogan. When they were using him as Vince's vision of Hulk, he wasn't drawing at the time, when he was repackaged, he was as big of a draw as ever.... almost.

But yeah, that was a creation of WCW.

I actually came to post this. Well done.

[Fabien Barthez]

Gee, thanks Ironballs :love:

[Juan]

Speaking of Bagwell, can someone explain to me why Bagwell is on the Legends of Wrestling 3 dvd set?

Because there's a section on the DVD called "Heatseekers"

[Kane86]

I am not saying the created him but they introduced us to Vampiro

[Theo Dious]

Because there's a section on the DVD called "Heatseekers"

It's an awesome DVD too. I don't know why he makes the cover tho, he barely gets a mention next to Luger, Scott Hall, and Paul Heyman.

[Theo Dious]

Not "stars" necessarily but still very popular:
Ron Simmons
Sid

I agree with these guys. Maybe not super-uber-mega-stars, but definitely stars.

Konnan
Buff Bagwell

Definitely not these two.

[Jeritron]

I don't see how Sid is included here

[shadowfoxrz]

Disco Inferno :shifty:

[Jeritron]

I dunno, the old days were different for WCW. They created some stars in those days, but they never really broke through completely. They all either left, or got buried circa the Turner buyout.
A guy like Ron Simmons, sure they created him as a star, but was he really a star?

[Johnny Vegas]

I am appauled that no one mentioned La Parka

[Volare]

Kimberly Page. :)

[Mooияakeя™]

Vader.

I remember the crowd knowing all about Kidman, Shane Helms, Mysterio - They were stars, or draws if u look at it too. Also, WCW based, how far could u go as a cruiserweight on the billing? (Until a shitload of stuff, i.e. Eddie, the roids thing (ironically) etc. led to Vince giving smaller guys a kick of the ball).