*Official Wrestlemania 25 Discussion* + Match of the Night

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Could it be that the first time around you had a green Orton that was horrible on the mic and couldn't rest hold his way into a decent match? Could it be that the majority of smarks on this board were constantly cursing Vinnie Mac, asking how he could possibly put the belt on Orton?


And I guess I'm alone in thinking this now but I still think he's boring as all hell. He still sounds like a damn robot on the mic, and no, he does not have the workrate needed to make you forget about that.

Where did all this Orton love come from? Has he ever had a good match where he wasn't completely carried?

Was he green, yes, but, he was fucking over, and sometimes that is more important. His character was over with the ground, so they turn it a complete 180, make him a pussy, and then have him lose to HHH.

This time around, he's suppose to be THE heel in the company. I'm not a huge Orton fan, but it makes no sense to build him up as this huge heel, this huge threat, and then make him look like a bitch. Workrate isn't everything, and tonight, WWE through out the best opportunity to make Orton.
Whatever they do with him now, he'll never be what he could have been, because ultimately, they just threw that out the window.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol Kofi is fucking awesome

Christian hasn't done shit yet

[wwe2222]

For a guy that is probably in his 50s, AND Jericho being in it..i think it would've been 4* at the LEAST. Of course not a HBK/Hart match, but definitely an Old School/New School WM classic.

The only thing holding Steamboat back was his stamina...he got noticeably (and understandably) tired by the end of the match. Previous to that though he was doing great. At that point I wished it wouldve just been Steamboat and Jericho. I really wanted Ricky to win.

[KaliKot]

I still dont get how they could make No Way Out so awesome but WM so crappy

[Xero]

Random thoughts (did not read the whole thread for obvious reasons):

Piper and Snuka looked like shit but Steamboat was on fire. With a little more conditioning (he blew up half way through) I could see him going another run. At the very least I'd like to see one more Flair vs. Steamboat.

Michaels vs Taker.... Yeah, match of the night and probably match of the year. It started off extremely slow, but once you got mid-match, after Taker took that sick dive, it picked up and more than made up for it. Ridiculously great near falls. AWESOME spots, especially the skin the cat to the Tombstone (With Michaels kicking out, HOLY SHIT) and Taker getting frustrated and using the Elbow Drop, and it lived up to my expectations. And my expectations were fucking high. 5 stars with ease.

We now have an infestation of Cena clones. Someone call the exterminator before they breed any more. But I have to admit I marked for Basic Thuganomics. If Cena had cut a freestyle I wouldn't have minded him winning.

Orton/Triple H was extremely interesting and I really liked it. Very different type of match. Nice and slow and a lot of mind games. I think they played off the fact Triple H couldn't use weapons or go all-out really well. Obviously second best match of the night.

Overall, I'll give the night a 9/10. That will probably lower with time, but aside from Kid Rock, the Divas Match and Rey/JBL the night was really enjoyable.

Again. Taker vs. Michaels was one of the best WWE matches I have ever seen. Even with time I see it easily staying within my top three matches of all time.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

JR and King both just called Christian's move the Unprettier

nice

[RGWhat316]

I am so pissed right now. I really expected Orton to win, but he was just buried 6 feet deep again. HHH winning just proves that he hasnt changed, he is still the guy that buries people. Aside from MITB, Hardys, and Taker/Shawn, this was a very disappointing night.

[Johnny Vegas]

DOn't get me wrong, I marked the holy hell out for Ricky. I love him to death, but i just don't know how good of ring shape he's actually in as far as cardio goes.

The way Ricky was looking, they could've had a 20 min classic. Jericho could've definitely carried the load with Ricky getting in offense here and there. Maybe some good counters, roll ups thrown in there. I think it definitely could be a WM great. You saw how hot the crowd was for it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Love how blatant they are about setting up ladders for specific spots in every MITB

[Supreme Olajuwon]

fuck Kid Rock

bring back that Pussycat Dolls chick

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol still playing Bawitdaba over a decade later

one hit wonder

[Pegasus Crawford]

fuck Kid Rock

bring back that Pussycat Dolls chick
Best you take a pissbreak now if you need one.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I can say without hesitation, that I would rather watch/listen to the Pussycat Dolls over Kid Rock any day

They cut the tag title match for this bullshit? I'm glad I decided to watch this MTV concert series on PPV

[Stealth-Icon]

Gail Kim f*cked up.. I don't think that she was supposed to go out thatway

[RGWhat316]

The tag title match should have definitely been on the card. You could even tell that the crowd didnt seem to give a damn that Kid Rock was there.

[Chavo Classic]

What a poor main event. Just awful.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol Santino is so great

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also pretty sure Michael Cole called the Divas Champion "Maurice"

[Supreme Olajuwon]

wow Steamboat looks GREAT holy shit

[RGWhat316]

Yeah I was pretty disappointed in the divas match as well. They had no real introductions, so the ones who did return got no recognition.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

the_shadow:<wbr>brother love now directs porn

lol love justintv

[The Gold Standard]

Steamboat still had it in him. Makes you wonder what a Jericho Steamboat match could've been like if both in prime.

[Damian Rey]

I don't post a whole lot. But after watching the main event, I feel compelled.

Why in the hell would you devote the heart of your flagship program building up arguably the company's biggest heel over the last 3 to 4 months, creating the kind of heat that's been garnered, and elevating him to a level he's never reached before, only to job him out, on the biggest stage of the year, to a guy who has headlined more WrestleManias this decade than anyone, and who really didn't need the win? I just don't understand. I know WWE isn't known for their keen logic. But for Christ's sake, it was BLATANTLY obvious that Orton HAD to go over there. They have completely wasted everything Orton has built up.

Thank God for Steamboat making me mark and the UT/HBK match...

[loopydate]

:lol: 51-2 poll so far.

I just got back from my friend's place, and I'm extremely torn on this card. Michaels/UT was fantastic. The greatest match Undertaker's ever been a part of, and it's way up there in the HBM pantheon. At least in my top three WM matches ever, and possibly #1. We'll see with time. Just an absolutely fantastic story.

I was with a bunch of my friends who were fans way back when, and we all marked out when Steamboat hit the ring. He looked like a million bucks. And, yeah, his conditioning wasn't what it was 22 years ago, but he still nearly stole the show. That was an amazing nostalgia moment for me. Goosebumps.

Money In The Bank wasn't as good as it has been in previous years, because a lot of the spots were really predictable. I mean, I know they always are, but it didn't seem like this year's match had the moment like past years. Last year, we had Morrison doing the moonsault with the ladder, this year the best we've got is Shelton's nearly-botched somersault onto the floor or possibly Kofi scrambling up the folded ladder and falling into the World's Strongest Slam.

I had low expectations for Matt versus Jeff because I remember how bad the match was the last time they tangled, but they've both come a long way since then. And Matt going over (relatively) clean is hopefully the next step toward making him into something other than the other Hardy Boy.

The Divas battle royal was abhorrent. They hyped this up as a homecoming for all these classic divas, and where the hell were they? I mean, yeah, they were in the ring, but there were so many of them, I couldn't make them out. The eliminations were coming too fast, and the cameras couldn't keep up, and the announcers weren't keeping up. I didn't even know who was in the match until the final five. Absolutely a waste of space on the card.

Speaking of wastes of space - Kid Rock. If I wanted to see a Kid Rock concert, I'd go to a Kid Rock concert. And I don't want to see a Kid Rock concert.

Not that I'm a huge John Layfield fan, but that's a shitty way to lose a title.7

Both title matches were all right, but anti-climactic. The triple threat had a better finish (the main event had all of us going "What the fuck? That's it?!?"), but the main event told a better story overall.

They didn't just drop the ball on Orton tonight, they climbed up to the top of the world's tallest building and threw it down as hard as they could. Onto a bed of nails. Wrapped in barbed-wire. That was on fire. Any semblance of a ball is absolutely gone.

Decidedly average pay-per-view, but that's awful for a WrestleMania.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

OH MY GOD STEAMBOAT

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Steamboat is the fucking man. Glad Jericho won but god damn what a performance.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Mickey Rourke needs to teach Shane O'Mac how to throw punches

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol Cole again

none of the other brother vs brother matches at WM were ever this personal

The Undertaker killed his parents and disfigured his brother, so Kane locked his brother in a casket and set it on fire. But this is more personal.

[Stealth-Icon]

lol Cole again

none of the other brother vs brother matches at WM were ever this personal

The Undertaker killed his parents and disfigured his brother, so Kane locked his brother in a casket and set it on fire. But this is more personal.

lol

[Stealth-Icon]

Come on now, who voted for the Diva's match? I love looking at them as much as the next guy, but you couldn't make out who half were and the match was pretty lame.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I thought Santino was Molly Holly until they announced that Molly was eliminated lol

[Stealth-Icon]

hahahahaha

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Wow JBL just cut a fucking promo and a half. Nice.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

OMG its Dink.

[screech]

Not a bad WrestleMania, but I feel like that shouldn't be an acceptable reaction to the biggest show of the year. Main event was highly disappointing.

[Juan]

OMG its Dink.

ROFL

[The Show Off]

Here are a few thing I want out of wrestlemania this year...

--Trish Stratus to be in the Diva Battle Royal
--Colons/Mizmo to go at least 10 minutes
--JBL to defeat Rey Mysterio
--Christian, MVP, Shelton Benjamin or Kane to win Money in the Bank
--Mark Henry to do some sort of move off a ladder like a Powerslam for example.
--Ricky Steamboat to do a series of armdrags on Jericho culmanating with a well placed drop kick to send Jericho out of the ring.
--A Steve Austin post match stunner to Jericho
--Jeff Hardy to do a Swanton off a big ladder.
--Old school being reversed into Sweet Chin music.
--The Undertaker to do an old school sit up after getting hit with Sweet Chin Music.
--Undertakers obligatory suicide dive and Michaels obligatory moonsault to the outside.
--Anyone but John Cena walking out champion or failing that John Cena making out with Vicke Gurrero after winning the title.
--HHH/Orton to be given at least 25 minutes to work.


...if I get like 9 of those I'll be very happy.

I got none of those... but I'm still pretty happy.

[Juan]

Not a bad WrestleMania, but I feel like that shouldn't be an acceptable reaction to the biggest show of the year. Main event was highly disappointing.

It shouldn't be acceptable, but thanks to shows like Wretlemania IX, Wrestlemania XI and Wrestlemania 2000, it's hardly anything new.

[Kane86]

Undertaker and Shawn Micheals was GODDAMN splendidly AWESOME. I have nothing else to really say......OH YEAH KANE GOT FUCKED!!!!!!!:foc:

[screech]

I was also highly impressed with Steamboat's performance.

[Juan]

OH YEAH KANE GOT FUCKED!!!!!!!:foc:

Pics?

[Kane86]

I was also highly impressed with Steamboat's performance.

Yes he still is the fucking man! The Hardy spot fest wasn't too bad

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol I honestly wonder if JBL went to Vince and said listen I will job like a bitch if you please please please let me be on the WM card

[Xero]

lol

[Damian Rey]

I was also highly impressed with Steamboat's performance.

Steamboat had me marking with those gorgeous arm drags. He made that match, and I'm glad he got the most time to work with Jericho.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

can't believe they cut away from Steamboat skinning the cat. Fucking amateur production right there

[Kane86]

Jimmy SNuka look rather drunk tonight and couldn't seem to get his spot rights. i was so glad when he tapped.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Taker ripped off Mysterio's entrance

[Damian Rey]

I wasn't expecting anything out of neither Snuka nor Piper. Snuka went quick, and minus Piper's one-legged dropkick, he wasn't bad at all.

Steamboat is the fucking shit. I demand we get a Steamboat anthology DVD by end year.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I can't believe people in this thread badmouthed Finlay's jacket. IT WAS HIS ENTRANCE ATTIRE FROM WCW YOU IGNORANT FUCKS

[James Steele]

:lol:

Come on, that jacket was horrible.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

IT DOESN'T MATTER. NOSTALGIA FOREVER

[Damian Rey]

I can't believe people in this thread badmouthed Finlay's jacket. IT WAS HIS ENTRANCE ATTIRE FROM WCW YOU IGNORANT FUCKS

I instantly told my gf Finlay was rocking the throwback entrance attire.

[James Steele]

If Hornswoggle would have had one too, then it'd have been a WrestleMania monent.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

No moment in wrestling history, aside from maybe Owen at Over the Edge, would've been better because Hornswoggle did the same thing.

[Anybody Thrilla]

So. Fucking. Disappointed.

[Damian Rey]

So. Fucking. Disappointed.

Care to elaborate?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

oh my fucking god

Taker needs to stop doing that suicide dive

[The Mask]

i liked it for the most part, fuck you all. the last match was fucking dire though. the one before wasn't much better but i mustered a holy shit as cena lifted both big show and edge on his shoulders.

HBK + undertaker was incredible though. like i was on the edge of my seat acting like a spastic into the match. i think part of it is the fact i thought undertaker had broken his neck/paralyzed himself after the botched toprope thing. the fact he could do anything at all after that made everything he did do utterly amazing.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol King "IMPOSSIBLE! IM-FREAKING-POSSIBLE!"

This match is unreal.

[James Steele]

I love JR's "out of body experience" spasm. That made the match 1000000X better...which is pretty fucking awesome. JR was "on" during that match.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

holy jesus how do two guys in their mid 40s pull off shit like this

unfucking real

[Supreme Olajuwon]

alright triple threat up now

hey check out the Cena army. Doing the exact same that Eminem already did, AGAIN

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol this is the second straight Wrestlemania that Big Show has entered as a heel and become the face mid match

[James Steele]

lol this is the second straight Wrestlemania that Big Show has entered as a heel and become the face mid match

HEY REF, GET ME THE HELL OUT OF HERE!

[Tazz Dan]

Yeah, so at the risk of getting flamed here I know the HHH/Orton match was :-\, but honestly how many times has HHH won at mania over the last 10 years? He hasn't won at mania since WM19 so surely he desrves one win. Plus it's the first time in forfuckingever the Royal Rumble winner didn't win the belt at mania.

[The Show Off]

Yeah, so at the risk of getting flamed here I know the HHH/Orton match was :-\, but honestly how many times has HHH won at mania over the last 10 years? He hasn't won at mania since WM19 so surely he desrves one win. Plus it's the first time in forfuckingever the Royal Rumble winner didn't win the belt at mania.

Last year Cena lost... along with Triple H... to Randy Orton...

I completely agree with you.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

VADER BOMB YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSs

damn he missed

[Supreme Olajuwon]

after the unbelievable intensity of Taker Michaels, this triple threat has actually been kinda fun. It's not the best thing in the world, but definitely watchable and a nice change of pace

[Supreme Olajuwon]

not even mad that Cena won

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol at You cant wrestle sign right behind Cena's celebration though

[RGWhat316]

Someone actually voted the Divas Battle Royal as match of the night? I like womens wrestling, but that match was a joke. The girls didnt get a real entrance, the ones that returned got no recognition, and a fake diva wins the thing. I was really disappointed in that.

[Pegasus Crawford]

Someone actually voted the Divas Battle Royal as match of the night?
Probably a troll.

[James Steele]

Someone actually voted the Divas Battle Royal as match of the night? I like womens wrestling, but that match was a joke. The girls didnt get a real entrance, the ones that returned got no recognition, and a fake diva wins the thing. I was really disappointed in that.

The fact they bumped a TITLE UNIFICATION MATCH for that concert & clusterfuck 1-2 punch of a crowdkiller is sickening.

[thedamndest]

VADER BOMB YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSs

damn he missed

He hasn't hit that since he started doing it.

[Juan]

Someone actually voted the Divas Battle Royal as match of the night? I like womens wrestling, but that match was a joke. The girls didnt get a real entrance, the ones that returned got no recognition, and a fake diva wins the thing. I was really disappointed in that.

It was Guru Dave, and judging by his post in the Q&A forum, my guess is he didn't even watch the show.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He hasn't hit that since he started doing it.
I didn't even know he used it. I rarely watch Smackdown

ok nevermind

[The Mask]

thinking about it, i don't think i'd have enjoyed the undertaker michaels match half as much if undertaker didn't nearly break his fucking neck. it added a lot to proceedings, when he was stumbling around falling over trying to get back in the ring and it hit 9 was amazing. you got the feeling he really might not be able to get back in.

[Dave Youell]

A really good undercard was totally destroyed by a lackluster main event.

The 3 way gave us what was to be expected, but HHH and Orton hitting their own finishes within 30 seconds of the match killed it for me. And the finish was super flat. I hope this goes some way to showing that HHH can't carry a crowd anymore.

Taker/HBK was some of the best shit I've seen in years, like last HBk managed to make me think the predictable wouldn't happen, after he kicked out of the tombstone I stood up and started marking out for the first time in ages, that's why those 2 guys are still awesome.

Also, get steamboat back on the full time roster :)

[Tazz Dan]

I also need to confess I marked out a little bit with CM Punk wearing Hart Foundation Colours :$

DON'T JUDGE ME CAUSE I'M MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT!!!!!! :(

[Mr. Nerfect]

I haven't watched the World Title matches yet, but they sound pretty predictable. Surprise, surprise, Triple H puts himself over in the main event of WrestleMania XXV like he's the biggest star in professional wrestling. Cena winning the World Heavyweight Title at least made sense, though.

Money in the Bank was fantastic, and I totally called CM Punk winning it. All you had to do was really think about it. The same goes for Carlito & Primo winning the Tag Team Titles on the pre-show.

The only other thing I didn't like about the show, was that Chris Jericho got bitched out by Mickey Rourke. I tried to reason that it was the Jericho mark in me talking, but I came to the conclusion it made Jericho look like a punk, and the business look inferior to acting. Flair could have at least low blowed Jericho before Rourke beat the crap out of him.

Also, I agree, Ricky Steamboat making a short return would be fucking stupendous.

[RGWhat316]

I'm not usually this negative of WWE, but tonight was just a big mess. The biggest show of the year, just seemed rushed. I guess Vince has completely lost his mind and seemed to do whatever he could to piss people off or confuse them. There were way more negatives than there were positives to this show. And if I worked in WWE, I would be really upset over these past few days.

The undercard gets completely shat on. Usually some of these guys not on the WM card will get basic matches on one of the shows. But with the exception of RAW, both ECW and SD were mainly recap shows! So the only chance these guys get to be on WM is to be involved in a lumberjack match, then that gets bumped off the card!

The women got robbed as well. Those who were excited to be returning, dont even get introductions, or barely last 30 seconds in a match. Then the winner is Santino Marella in drag. So these women dont even get to win their match.

The celebrity appearances this year sucked as well. Nicole was fine in doing "God Bless America" since they do have someone sing that every year. But Kid Rock and Mickey Rourke seemed to take their good ol time being out there. Kid Rock gets about 10 minutes, and Rourke cant decide if he wants to get in the ring, he does slowly and gets 1 shot in on Jericho.

The IC title gets defended for the first time since I believe '02, and that gets turned into an under 30 second joke. So JBL's history making moment is quitting?

Most of the rest of the matches went fine, even the World Title match, which I expected Cena to win. Surprised CM Punk won MITB again. But with his win, I think he maybe the first guy to cash in and not win it. Steamboat really surprised me in the Legends match, even though Snuka and Piper looked horrible. Of course Shawn/Taker is the showstealer. Shawn's entrance was cool, and Takers suicide dive was unbelievable.

But the main event between Orton and HHH now should have not been the main event. IMO, this has killed Randy Orton's momentum, and I dunno what can be done to regain it. The finish even left me with a "what, that's it?" reaction, which should not be a typical WM reaction.

[Tazz Dan]

I haven't watched the World Title matches yet, but they sound pretty predictable. Surprise, surprise, Triple H puts himself over in the main event of WrestleMania XXV like he's the biggest star in professional wrestling. Cena winning the World Heavyweight Title at least made sense, though.

Seriously, like I said in my other post what is so wrong with HHH going over Orton? HE HASN'T WON SINCE WM19!!!!!! It keeps the story going through to Backlash, and Orton will most likely go over there.

[James Steele]

Noid, shut the fuck up. Triple H isn't the fucking booker, and he isn't the head writer. Please find a valid reason to bitch about the main event, like how it was rushed because of Kid Rock and Mickey Rourke taking too much fucking time.

[Tazz Dan]

Yeah, pretty much what James Steele said :yes:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I thought the IC title match was fine. JBL comes out and cuts a fantastic promo hyping himself to be this amazing wrestler then gets humiliated on the biggest stage in wrestling and so he quits. Now he can go back to the booth where he instantly makes the whole product more enjoyable.

[Tazz Dan]

Supreme Olajuwon knows :y:

[James Steele]

WrestleMania 25 was "booking 101" with a few fuck ups (mainly time: Kid Rock, Mickey Rourke).

MONEY IN THE BANK --> An over babyface wins, and it so happens he won it last year. COOL
KID ROCK --> REALLY REALLY LONG CROWD-KILLER
DIVAS BATTLE ROYAL --> UNDERWHELMING CLUSTERFUCK OF SHIT
MATT VS JEFF --> Good match with typical hardy spots, HEEL WINS! (Interesting to see where that goes)
JBL VS REY --> Retiring heel is made a fool out of by babyface.
TAKER VS MICHAELS--> Instant Classic. 2 of the best in the world just do what they do best.
CENA/SHOW/EDGE --> Cena wins! (Poor Edge.)
HHH/ORTON --> Babyface gets payback on the heel (even though he had to use a sledgehammer to beat him)

[Rammsteinmad]

My thoughts:

- Money in the Bank was okay. A lot of blown spots, but as someone said, this kinda match isn't easy, so it's fine. Kofi Kingston was great in this match.

- Kid Rock sucked, and went on for AGES!

- Diva Battle Royal was absolutely shit! Not only a total waste of time, but they didn't even do individual entrances so people can mark out for old-school divas (which in all fairness, no one cared about anyway). Santino dancing was hilarious, but overall it's sad to think they took the Tag Team title match off the card for this!

- I felt Jericho's match was a waste of a potential five star Jericho match anyway, BUT a nice surprise was seeing Steamboat pulling off the stuff he was doing. I think WWE fans are use to seeing Piper and Snuka "one more time", but with Steamboat it was totally new and a pleasent surprise.

- The Rouke section went on for too long IMO.

- The Hardys match was good but I feel could have been better. How long has Matt been wearing tights? I think it totally didn't suit him and make his gut stick out. However I was very pleased that Matt won, sadly I doubt anything will come out of this (like a main event push).

- Rey Mysterio VS JBL is the same as the Diva match, only without Santino's dancing. The whole "quick win" was done last year and isn't that clever anymore. JBL's announcement was shit.

- 'Taker VS HBK. I think the voting results above speak for themselves. AMAZING!

- Triple Threat match was going good but ended too soon I feel. Pretty good match, ending was a shame though, but Cena picking up Big Show and Edge was cool. It was cool hearing Cena's old music coz that suited him so much better, but then the other one played and it all went gay again.

- Main event sucked balls. Terrible match, worse finish. I was sat there thinking "25 years of Wrestlemania, all comes down to this one main event..." and the match was god awful. Mental note I realised during this match: the last seven WM appearances by HHH have all been Title matches. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let that be it!

Overall this was a shit WM. Good PPV but a huge dissapointment for such a milestone event. With every landmark edition (IE: 15, 20, 25 etc) they have to make it feel like "the biggest WM of all time", but god this one was just plain horrible.

The stage was really cool though.

Worth seeing for: 'Taker VS HBK, Triple Threat, Hardys match, Steamboat VS Jericho.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I thought it was a pretty good show. Not as good as the Rumble but not bad. Too much fluff and filler to be a great show though. I expected an all time great match from Taker and HBK and my expectations were met and then exceeded. Steamboat was amazing and made the legends match enjoyable. I became a big Kofi Kingston fan tonight as he really impressed me. I will never complain about CM Punk getting a push, although I'd prefer it was as a heel. Cena/Big Show/Edge was a lot better than I was expecting. Decent pace and a nice finish. Hardys were as good as I expected and I was very happy that Matt won. JBL's segment (that's really all it was) was enjoyable. HHH/Orton was disappointing overall but not because HHH won. It shouldn't have main evented. The battle royal was a pile of shit but Santino is the man so whatever. Still super pissed that they bumped the tag match for that Kid Rock bullshit. I guess this is proof that they still don't see Morrison as a star yet.

A lot about this PPV annoyed me, but there were more positives than negatives. Here's hoping Kid Rock gets cancer.

[Dave Youell]

Noid, shut the fuck up. Triple H isn't the fucking booker, and he isn't the head writer. Please find a valid reason to bitch about the main event, like how it was rushed because of Kid Rock and Mickey Rourke taking too much fucking time.

It wasn't really the rushing of it that made it shit IMO.

They gave it a good 25 minutes. The reason I think it failed was because:

1. No matter what main evented that evening, it wouldn't of been as hot as Taker/HBK, the crowd were burnt out (see Mania 18, HHH trying to main event after Hogan and Rock stole the show)

2. Hitting both finishers in the first minute destroyed it for me, what else was there for the crowd to pop for? No teasing of it or anything. What are they? Backyarders, it makes no sense that later on they are reversing the finishers after 20 minutes, when they shouldn't have as much about them as they do in the first minute of fucking match

3. Considering that HHH was trying to avenge his family, there was very little actual intensity shown IMO

4. Like 3, if someone had done all this to me and my family, I would of been fighting more and wrestling less, too much attempted wrestling psychology for my liking, this should of been much more of a brawl

5. HHH, just isn't that over, time to except it

[Dave Youell]

Thinking about some more now:

6. Orton got hardly any 'heel time' which meant there was no heat for a comeback, in fact HHH controlled too much of it for me, he never looked like he was in trouble

[Tazz Dan]

*accept* it :p

[Not Booked]

It wasn't really the rushing of it that made it shit IMO.

They gave it a good 25 minutes. The reason I think it failed was because:

1. No matter what main evented that evening, it wouldn't of been as hot as Taker/HBK, the crowd were burnt out (see Mania 18, HHH trying to main event after Hogan and Rock stole the show)

2. Hitting both finishers in the first minute destroyed it for me, what else was there for the crowd to pop for? No teasing of it or anything. What are they? Backyarders, it makes no sense that later on they are reversing the finishers after 20 minutes, when they shouldn't have as much about them as they do in the first minute of fucking match

3. Considering that HHH was trying to avenge his family, there was very little actual intensity shown IMO

4. Like 3, if someone had done all this to me and my family, I would of been fighting more and wrestling less, too much attempted wrestling psychology for my liking, this should of been much more of a brawl

5. HHH, just isn't that over, time to except it

Spot on. There's just no way HHH is going to be a babyface if he's tied to the McMahons. Even more so against a heel as cool as Randy Orton.

HHH is in the main event because Vince and Steph love him. Steamboat vs Jericho would have been a better main event for chrissake.

[Dave Youell]

Spot on. There's just no way HHH is going to be a babyface if he's tied to the McMahons. Even more so against a heel as cool as Randy Orton.

HHH is in the main event because Vince and Steph love him. Steamboat vs Jericho would have been a better main event for chrissake.

No, it's not because of the McMahon thing, the, it's because I don't buy him as a main event face period anymore

[Not Booked]

No, it's not because of the McMahon thing, the, it's because I don't buy him as a main event face period anymore

I understood, point was that combined with the McMahon thing ment the crowd didn't know how to react, if they had any interest at all.

[Dave Youell]

I understood, point was that combined with the McMahon thing ment the crowd didn't know how to react, if they had any interest at all.

The McMahons are over, no doubt about it, Raw last Monday was white hot, hottest I've seen in years, the problem was the match structure and placement IMO

[DaVe]

...I quite liked Taker/Michaels.

[Dave Youell]

...I quite liked Taker/Michaels.

You'd be hard pressed to find someone who didn't

Watching it again now, it's awesome

[BobBitchen]

did anybody notice the signs "it's still real to me damn it!!! or "If Cena wins, we want a refund"?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Having Orton/HHH with that whole "DQ and you lose the belt" stipulation kinda killed it. After that feud, their match should have been a bloodbath with weapons and the like.

Anyway...still amazed at Taker/Michaels. I can't remember the last time I had my disbelief suspended like that. Deep down I felt Taker would win, but so many times I thought "it's over!" I gasped when HBK kicked out of the first Tombstone. And even though I KNEW the match wouldn't end in countout, Taker fell on his ass at like the count of 9 and I was like NOOOOOO.</font>

[Rock582]

hhh orton was really bad IMO. hhh really needs to get of that fucking top spot. taker n hbk stole the show and is quite possibly the most amazing match ive ever seen.

[AJHayes]

I think that the order of the matches was what made it somewhat disappointing. I thought overall it was good, espicially considering the product recently.

The legends match was fun. There was reason that Rourke took so long, it gave Jericho time to get him over as a babyface in the situation. Now, I have little in the way of issues with the way the Rourke situation went down, only because Rourke was a boxer. And I was thinking what if it was Arquette? Praise be to the Beard of Destiny that it was not Arquette.

The tag match should have been on the card. As was stated, it was a horrible call to have the divas instead of a match that redefines the tag division.

JBL vs. Mysterio should have been the curtain jerk. it also should have been a little longer.

Kid Rock is an abortion waiting to happen. I really wish that they would not have a concert during a wrestlign show. Espicially the Big Daddy of them all.

Divas Battle Royal. Poor. Enough said. Could have been alright, if they gave time to spotlight some of the divas. Such as Neidhart, Mickie, Molly, and Victoria. Could have been a 4 way or a tag. Past vs. Present.

Kid Rock still sucks.

The announce team could have been cut by two thirds. I really hate the king. JR has been calling it in for years and needs to retire. Time to pass the torch.

The triple threat would have been better if the Big Show won. Cena isn't really even over with the 8-14 demographic anymore. Big Show should be a monster, like he was with the ECW belt.

Hardy vs. Hardy was really enjoyable. I suspect that Matt will be pushed into the main event this year. It seems that when someone changes their gear they are getting ready for a push. I'm almost glad to see that they're going for a real split of the two. Matt getting "wrestling gear" while Jeff sticks with the jeans. In my opinion, this leaves the door open for each of them to go big places. Also, I bet it's just cool to go out and have a wrestling match with your brother at Wrestlemania.

Shawn vs. Taker was brilliant. This is what Wrestlemania is all about. This match alone met and surpassed my expectations. I cannot begin to say enough good things about this.

HHH vs. Orton is a victim of the order of the card I think. Someone said that this was a vengeance match and I concur with them. The build up was so good that it was hard for the match to meet with it. I might have done old school stipulations on the match: two out of three falls with a one hour time limit. *EDIT* Come ot think of it, I do think that there should have been more of a fight in this match, also, Orton should have been on the offensive for awhile. Maybe this match wasn't as good as my initial idea of it.

[Rock582]

LOL @ the ending.

I was this close to considering tuning into more WWE programming until that moment.

Maybe next year.


so very true. how dissapointing it was seein hhh win yet AGAIN an orton having the ball dropped AGAIN.

[Shisen Kopf]

I watched it and I must say the highlight of the night had to be Kid Rock. Wow's hes good! totally great and am so glad they cancelled the tag team match to have that on the show.

[Krimzon7]

Bellfast Bomber has some great points. I think that we were punished by not seeing Orton get some credible offense in. This could still be a good feud, but I don't know if all the parties has what it takes to take this fued to the next level.

[Kane86]

Fuck Orton and Triple H there performance was so fucking stale. After Undertaker and Shawn Micheals its like everyone really stopped giving a fuck. I rember every title match was just like that back in the day.

[Mooияakeя™]

Nothing beats Piper's language. It was like he was pissed.

Nah, seriously, I missed out on loads due to my event going down the pan halfway through. They have said they have refunded to my next bill though.

so if anyone knows where I can find the last 2 hours, please let me know!!!

I only saw half of The Hardy's and it all went fucked and finally off.

[Kane86]

Oh yeah If any of you Santino marks think he has a show at credibility after that shit he pulled last night. Your fucking wrong anyone who said sometiems you hafv ee to be a bitch character to get to the top. Well he sealed his fate pulling that bullshit tonight.

[Dave Youell]

Shut up Kane86

[Kane86]

Shut up Kane86

Will not and it was great to see JBL quit his job at Mania I guess thats what he meant by making history.

[Rock582]

that wasnt making history. that was making a mockery of the ic title with the match being so dam short.

[Mooияakeя™]

Have a stream showing replay ( http://www.justin.tv/rexe11 - if ur bothered ).

Just my luck to join when fucking Kid Rock was on, and now this Diva shit. pfft.

[Kane86]

that wasnt making history. that was making a mockery of the ic title with the match being so dam short.

No he made history I am pretty sure that was the shortest IC title match in mania history.

[AJHayes]

No he made history I am pretty sure that was the shortest IC title match in mania history.

Give me your address.

[Rock582]

No he made history I am pretty sure that was the shortest IC title match in mania history.

so fucking what, they done the short match thing before and that didnt work. neither did this. take ur head out of jbls ass.

[Kane86]

so fucking what, they done the short match thing before and that didnt work. neither did this. take ur head out of jbls ass.

No he made history.

[Mooияakeя™]

lol Taker's WTF face.

FUCKING LOL.

http://www.tpww.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=62&pictureid=302

[#BROKEN Hasney]

No he made history.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/hollywoodh/1239047842495.gif

[Lux]

so fucking what, they done the short match thing before and that didnt work. neither did this. take ur head out of jbls ass.

Shut up taker707!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You guys are acting like Rey and JBL should've gone 15 minutes and put on a 5 star classic. What else did you want? You got a great promo from JBL, you got Rey in and out of the ring in under 5 minutes, and you got a segway into JBL's return to commentary where he excels and instantly makes whatever show he's on watchable.

And don't tell me it's because they disrespected the IC title. The IC title hasn't meant a thing in years.

[Lux]

Supreme put it best. Quit bitching guys, this may be the wrestling forum but we don't need bitching 24/7.

[Dave Youell]

Lux, this a internet forum

Regardless of the topic, bitching will ALWAYS happen 24/7

[Lux]

Yeah yeah we get that but in a thread about WrestleMania 25, come on now, have a little class you bitches.

[Skippord]

Pipers dropkick made me incredibly sad

[wehavebensavedy2j]

If Taker/HBK ended the show then people might have thought the streak could end which would have had people on the edge of their seats (even though they probably were) but everything after Taker/HBK was disapointing it was one of the best all time

[Lux]

Edge, Cena and Show was alright, some funny moments in it like when Edge kicked the steel steps into Show's legs. :lol:

oh and STFU!

[Dave Youell]

If Taker/HBK ended the show then people might have thought the streak could end which would have had people on the edge of their seats (even though they probably were) but everything after Taker/HBK was disapointing it was one of the best all time

It should always be a title match closing IMO

Sadly, there's hasn't been a very good main event title match since HBK and Benoit were involved it

[DaVe]

You serious?

Taker/Edge last year was tremendous...

[SammyG]

Remember Piper's "GET THE FUCK OUT'

[Bad Company]

JR was absolute rubbish last night.

[AJHayes]

Pipers dropkick made me incredibly sad

It was a single leg roundhouse dropkick performed by a mid fifties man. Damn shock that he could get off his feet with how many hip replacements he's had. I would say it was incredible given all the conditions.

[Londoner]

Yeah yeah we get that but in a thread about WrestleMania 25, come on now, have a little class you bitches.

Maybe if Vince made better use of the talent his roster has, they wouldn't be bitching...(as much...)

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yeah yeah we get that but in a thread about WrestleMania 25, come on now, have a little class you bitches.


Good lord, I know. Why would people bitch about an event in that events thread? If only they put it in the right place!!!!

Get over yourself you little prick.

[Lux]

Shut up Hasney.

[Londoner]

lol

[DAMN iNATOR]

And the Spanish announce table is still intact!


I LMAO'd @ the "World's Strongest Table" (i.e., the table not breaking when it was clearly meant to...I wonder if Mark Henry came out and ate it as an exclusive post-WM moment for the fans...:shifty:)

[Johnny Vegas]

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Best montage for WrestleMania ever...Got to give the production crew props.

[Heyman]

Here is why Wrestlemania 25 was lackluster in my opinion:

So many of the storylines were just "smushed" together in a matter of weeks.

An absolute joke:

Seriously....

-JBL vs. Rey Mysterio: Almost no build up...complete waste. No history, no real rivalry, etc. Rey Mysterio should have been involved with Mike Knox somehow.

-HBK vs. Taker: Yes - great match...but again...Almost no build up. The match was basically put together just out of convenience. If it was up to me, JBL would have won the match against HBK in January. As of JBL's request, HBK would have been forced to face his buddy HHH at Wrestlemania. THAT match would have had one helluva build up...and would have had the emotion.

-Jericho vs. legends: Given all the hype that went into this, more was expected. How Austin and Hogan didn't come and give Jericho their finishers was beyond me. The Houston crowd would've gone nuts had they seen a stunner.

-HHH vs. Orton: Again - bullshit. Your main-event match needs a WAY longer build-up. Orton vs. Cena should have the main-event. The tension between them had been boiling for months.....and the crowd reaction would have been very interesting. No way Orton should have jobbed. HHH deserved a win at Mania, but it should've been against someone else (i.e. HBK).

-Cena vs. Edge vs. Big Show: Again - bullshit. A match just slapped together within the last month. Very limited recent history, and very limited emotion. In my opinion, this would've been a GOLDEN opportunity for Edge to face CM Punk for the World/WWE title (i.e. revenge on Edge's part to beat CM Punk for 'stealing' the title off of him a year prior....CM Punk wanting Edge to prove that his win wasn't a fluke). This would've been a perfect opportunity to elevate Punk....by having him go over a credible main-eventer.

MITB: Why have CM Punk win it two years in a row? Why not elevated a new star...like MVP? Another waste by the WWE.

Overall - a very stupid PPV by the WWE.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Here is why Wrestlemania 25 was lackluster in my opinion:

So many of the storylines were just "smushed" together in a matter of weeks.

An absolute joke:

Seriously....

-JBL vs. Rey Mysterio: Almost no build up...complete waste. No history, no real rivalry, etc. Rey Mysterio should have been involved with Mike Knox somehow.

-HBK vs. Taker: Yes - great match...but again...Almost no build up. The match was basically put together just out of convenience. If it was up to me, JBL would have won the match against HBK in January. As of JBL's request, HBK would have been forced to face his buddy HHH at Wrestlemania. THAT match would have had one helluva build up...and would have had the emotion.

-Jericho vs. legends: Given all the hype that went into this, more was expected. How Austin and Hogan didn't come and give Jericho their finishers was beyond me. The Houston crowd would've gone nuts had they seen a stunner.

-HHH vs. Orton: Again - bullshit. Your main-event match needs a WAY longer build-up. Orton vs. Cena should have the main-event. The tension between them had been boiling for months.....and the crowd reaction would have been very interesting. No way Orton should have jobbed. HHH deserved a win at Mania, but it should've been against someone else (i.e. HBK).

-Cena vs. Edge vs. Big Show: Again - bullshit. A match just slapped together within the last month. Very limited recent history, and very limited emotion. In my opinion, this would've been a GOLDEN opportunity for Edge to face CM Punk for the World/WWE title (i.e. revenge on Edge's part to beat CM Punk for 'stealing' the title off of him a year prior....CM Punk wanting Edge to prove that his win wasn't a fluke). This would've been a perfect opportunity to elevate Punk....by having him go over a credible main-eventer.

MITB: Why have CM Punk win it two years in a row? Why not elevated a new star...like MVP? Another waste by the WWE.

Overall - a very stupid PPV by the WWE.

I agree about 3 matches you list:
1.) MITB: Yeah, why not let someone like Christian, M.V.P. or Shelton Benjamin come away with the briefcase. If any wrestler and not fans, because obviously we were all robbed, should have won it, I believe firmly it should have been Shelton. Poor kid's been in 4 out of 5 and only missed the one because of injury. Methinks Vince has given him the Matt Hardy treatment far too long, and it is a grave injustice to not only Shelton, but also the fans, to not prepare him as a main eventing world champion.

2.) Jericho vs. The Legends: Very poorly executed match. Well thought out with all the hype, but poorly executed when it mattered most, and the saddest thing is, I think fucking Mickey Rourke is what I would call the highlight of that segment.

3.) J.B.L. vs. Rey for the IC title: STUPID, STUPID FUCKING STUPID! is all I can really say..."Hey, here's an idea, let's make Bradshaw look like a fucking 3-year-old crybaby by making him lose the belt in 15 seconds!" Fucks' sake.:nono::foc:

[Juan]

Sounds familiar

[James Steele]

:lol:

Juan, I usually don't like your assholic tendencies but this is funny.

[owenbrown]

Vintage thread bumping

[Aguakate]

Next year its going to be like "WrestleMania 27 SUCKED. I came in with high expectations and WWE LET ME DOWN"...

...PFFT.