Better Wrestler #83

[Jeritron]

Ultimo Dragon gallops past a member of the Horsemen, and moves onto the fourth round. Before he can enter the territory of BW legends, he will have to defeat a Legend Killer.






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Ultimo Dragon


VS




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Randy Orton




3 days.



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[Juan]

I'm a Randy Orton fan, but as much as it pains me, I have to go with Ultimo Dragon. Using the criteria I used in Ultimo's first BW match, there aren't many guys I'd vote for over him.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I had to vote for the clearly superior athlete here, Randal Keith Orton.

[TSI]

randy is clearly on top of the wrestling world right now...but ultimo has a way longer track record, which makes ultimo the winner in my eyes

[Stealth-Icon]

I can not vote for Orton

[Mantas]

Ultimo Dragon easily in fact I'd even say this is less of a contest in my mind then Ultimo vs Goldust.

[4 knuckles up]

Ultimo.

Now I know that Orton is the better over all wrestler, a more complete package, but if you were asking me which wrestler I'd rather see in a high profile match, it'd be Ultimo.

[Mantas]

Ultimo.

Now I know that Orton is the better over all wrestler, a more complete package, but if you were asking me which wrestler I'd rather see in a high profile match, it'd be Ultimo.

I actually don't see how Orton is a better wrestler at all or a complete package in any sense. The only thing he has on Ultimo is that he speaks English and thus is obviously more marketable to American audiences, but otherwise Orton probably has the most boring and bare move set out of any of the current main eventers and his mic skills are and have always been lacking.

[CSL]

Orton. Dragon is possibly the better worker but Orton destroys him on just about every other single level. Don't get this 'Orton is boring on the mic' stuff. Just because somebody doesn't spout catchphrases doesn't make them boring. His promo delivery is perfect for his character. Orton seems to be underrated by a sizable portion of the IWC yet is one of the most highly respected by the actual business itself. He's accomplished way more and is miles ahead in terms of being the complete package. Dragon doesn't really come close for me.

[Hornicane]

^ That. Dragon is a fantastic worker, but Randy is decent to fantastic in most every aspect. As has been said, he's pretty much one of those 'complete package' kinda guys.

[Mantas]

^ That. Dragon is a fantastic worker, but Randy is decent to fantastic in most every aspect. As has been said, he's pretty much one of those 'complete package' kinda guys.

I simply cannot agree with this at all when I think full package I think of someone like Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, or Kurt Angle guys who excel in charisma, mic skills, and above all else wrestling skills.

I don't think Orton excels in any of those fields in fact I think he is mediocre in all three of them and nowhere near the top of the list on any field. To date he has proven that he can really only play one character well and that is a vicious heel yet the booking has to be absolutely perfect for him to shine even with that one character. His moveset is to this day extremely generic just including a DDT, dropkick, and a rare suplex sprinkled in with the ever boring chinlock and a cutter and a punt serving as his finishers. His mic skills are as bland as they have always been sure the monotone way of speaking and the lack of any sort of excitement in his voice might fit the character to some extent but a more natural promo delivery similar to Jake The Snake would fit much better and wouldn't be as painful to listen to. Honestly I see no reason for Orton to gather praise for anything he does, and while I wouldn't go as far as to say that he is horrible I would say that he doesn't deserve to be even mentioned in the same breath as Ultimo Dragon who innovated countless moves and has been one of the major reasons for the popularity of junior wrestling alongside Dynamite Kid, Tiger Mask 1 and Jushin Liger.

[thedamndest]

I think Orton does have all of the tools, but I don't think he's quite there yet. It's not all his fault. He's been booked inconsistently over the years (part of this is due to the big change in demographic; it is no longer as common for the heel to one-up the face) so that hurts him. In the ring he's good, but his lack of chemistry with HHH proves that he still has a long way to go before he can really be one of The Greats.

[Testicle]

Got to go with Orton, he has been a WWE main-eventer since he was 24, that takes skill. He has now held 5 world titles and is just reaching his prime.

Orton > Ultimo

[James Steele]

Randy Orton is fucking horrible, and has been clinging on to his daddy and the Evolution angle.

[Ruien]

Orton is by far the better package. No idea why there is any hate for Orton, or why he is even losing. THis should be a easy choice.

[Dr. Abyss]

Orton is terrible he did have good ability when he was younger. But WM25 showed how much of a pompus ass he really is.

[Krimzon7]

I will not bother to read the prior posts, because there is simply no argument. Randy Fuckin Orton. This guy is a goddamn main eventer, he has been a part of two kick ass stables.

Randy Fucking Orton

[Theo Dious]

Now I know that Orton is the better over all wrestler, a more complete package

Better wrestler, not better penis.

[Juan]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91644

[Rammsteinmad]

Orton.

I haven't seen enough Dragon, wheras I've watched Orton for the last seven years now.

[Haze]

Dragon, for this reason.
http://www.oknation.net/blog/home/blog_data/807/21807/images/UltimoDragon.jpg

[midLfinger]

Now post one of Orton holding a World Heavyweight Title (either of the two) that says, "Realize that Ultimo never was this good."

J/K

[Testicle]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8489/randyortonw.jpg

[Jeritron]

I'm considering voting for Orton. Ultimo is the better wrestler, and works the better match, but Randy Orton in 2004 was one of my favorite years for a wrestler.
Despite appreciating Ultimo's in ring skills, I never was into his character or career path as I was Orton's.

[Cuzziebro]

Orton, as much as I like Ultimo, Orton is 'better'!

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Orton will never have the influence on the wrestling world that Ultimo has.

Ultimo is essentially responsible for an entire style of wrestling.

[Destor]

I'm considering voting for Orton. Ultimo is the better wrestler, and works the better match, but Randy Orton in 2004 was one of my favorite years for a wrestler.
Despite appreciating Ultimo's in ring skills, I never was into his character or career path as I was Orton's.
For some reason I repped my reply to this post...

[The Mackem]

I'm a big fan of Ultimo Dragon's work but Randy Orton for me is the more complete 'wrestler' from my own overall point of view.

[NoRoolz]

Yeah, but a vote for Randy is a vote for...

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5026/randy8.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/randy8.jpg/)

[NoRoolz]

Don't make me upload the full-size version.

Vote Dragon.

[CSL]

Yeah, but a vote for Randy is a vote for...

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5026/randy8.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/randy8.jpg/)

Personal hygiene?

[Fabien Barthez]

Is the next round going to be Bret?

[The Mackem]

A little suprised by a current star going down to Dragon.

[Loose Cannon]

nooooooo, what time did this close :mad:

I probably would of voted Dragon, but right now, I would of went Orton just to Shake things up

[The Viper]

Shocked that this went to Dragon. Damn it.

[USAUSA1]

Dragon deserved it, Orton hasn't influence a generation. Being a 5 time champ don't mean nothing these days, that belt get pass around ALL THE TIME. Orton is one of those guys that can't make it outside the WWE. Put him in TNA,AAA,Japan,etc. he would be completely lame and probably in the midcard after a year.