UFC 100 Discussion, thoughts, spoilers

[Kris P Lettus]

Few thoughts..

GSP is so f'n dominant.. I really thought Pittbull would have given him a better fight..

I f'n love Dangerous Dan Henderson.. Prolly my favorite fighter of all time.. Brutal KO..

Lesnar is such a dick but he is awesome.. Really don't see any anyone touching Lesnar right now cept maybe Shane Carwin but fuck, Lesnars GnP is unbelievable..

Like seeing Mark Coleman too.. He looked in so much better condition than he did against Rua and when he was dominated by Fedor at that American Pride PPV a few years ago..

p.s. sorry I haven't been around much lately but I am remodeling a house we bought on the North Shore in Louisiana.. Soon as I get it done and I get settled in, I'll be around more often..

[Kris P Lettus]

No they don't, for entrance music you do not pay a dime. Hence why ECW was able to afford doing whatever they wanted. Televised or not, entrance music is an accompaniment. No one pays to use it. The only reason WWE doesn't used licensed stuff is they don't want to pay the distribution rights for their video games, dvds, etc.

I read in a Chuck Liddell interview a few years ago that he wanted to come out to "Walk" by Pantera but the UFC couldn't get the rights to use it..

DUNNO

[Reavant]

Maybe hes right then because that used to be Clay Guidas entrance music in the small shows in chicago

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I read in a Chuck Liddell interview a few years ago that he wanted to come out to "Walk" by Pantera but the UFC couldn't get the rights to use it..

DUNNO

Interesting... I may have to stand corrected then... I'm just shocked because ECW was using whatever theme they wanted...

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Maybe ECW was using the shit illegally?

I have no idea what the law would be regarding song usage and I wonder if they just ignored the law figuring nobody is gonna sue? Unrelated but I was watching a replay of a UConn basketball game last night and they played the Big Show theme during a televised timeout lol, would they have to get permission for that too?

[Loose Cannon]

yea, I've heard wrestling themes played before at sporting events. pretty sure one of the players at a Charlotte Knights (baseball) game came out to the "Wolfpac" song.

[Terra Ryzin]

Maybe ECW was using the shit illegally?

I have no idea what the law would be regarding song usage and I wonder if they just ignored the law figuring nobody is gonna sue? Unrelated but I was watching a replay of a UConn basketball game last night and they played the Big Show theme during a televised timeout lol, would they have to get permission for that too?

good point...whats the difference between brock coming out to enter sandman and it being broadcast on tv and mariano rivera coming out to the same song?

[The Mask]

fell asleep during the gsp match :'( didn't realize it was starting so late and i was absolutely out of it. just watched the lesnar fight though, <3 the guy.

even though he's a local lad, it was good to see bisping knocked out. i'm a bit tired of seeing underdogs acting cocky when they are blatantly less skilled. same with hatton and mayweather, if you're going to talk this shit you have to be ready. circling to henderson's right even after his trainer bollocked him was fucking ridiculous, the fight was only ever going that way.

i don't think you can really blame henderson either, even if he "knew" bisping was out, it was a fraction of a second and if he was wrong the fight would have continued and he'd have missed a prime fight ending opportunity. at that pace, you are going to be working on instinct and the way bisping acted beforehand, you are going to be mentally agressive. if bisping has a problem with the fight ending like that he should probably have thought before talking so much shite and circling left.

honestly though i don't think it deserves discussing as much as it is being. it's just one of those moments that after you've seen a slow motion replay 50 times you add a whole bunch of morality and decision making into a completely instinctive split second reaction.

if i were in an mma fight i wouldn't begrudge a guy hitting me after i was ko'd, until the ref pulled me off. i think it's one of those things you walk into the fight accepting might happen.

ps. is there a ufc tipsters thing going? once again i called all the fights beforehand. (besides the first one cause i didn't know either of them)

pps. which fight on the undercard caused the ring to be absolutely fucking covered in blood?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

ps. is there a ufc tipsters thing going? once again i called all the fights beforehand. (besides the first one cause i didn't know either of them)

pps. which fight on the undercard caused the ring to be absolutely fucking covered in blood?


There is, and I should be winning still.

[Terra Ryzin]

pps. which fight on the undercard caused the ring to be absolutely fucking covered in blood?

half of it ws bonners the other half danzigs

http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/ i dont know how to embed video but both those fights plus all the others on up here

[Kris P Lettus]

i don't think you can really blame henderson either, even if he "knew" bisping was out, it was a fraction of a second and if he was wrong the fight would have continued and he'd have missed a prime fight ending opportunity. at that pace, you are going to be working on instinct and the way bisping acted beforehand, you are going to be mentally agressive. if bisping has a problem with the fight ending like that he should probably have thought before talking so much shite and circling left.


As an athlete you are taught to "play to the whistle".. Look at a fight like Pete Sell vs. Scott Smith where Drago landed a vicious body shot and it looked like the fight was over.. When going in for the "kill" Smith caught Sell on the button and KO'ed him.. Then a fight like when Brian Stann beat Doug Marshall for the WEC LHW belt.. Stann hit him on the button, dropping Marshal, and stopped to raise his hands thinking it was over, but the ref hadn't stopped it at that point so he then had to go in for the kill.. You never know in combat sports and as I said earlier, if anything it should be on the ref cause all Hendo did was "play to the whistle"..

[HeartBreakMan2k]

LMFAO. Was watching MMA Live post fight interviews, Hendo apperently told his corner that Bisping hit like a little bitch!

He is now my third favorite fighter of all time....


Couture
Lesnar
Henderson
Hughes
F. Shamrock
Jason Miller

[Kris P Lettus]

LMFAO. Was watching MMA Live post fight interviews, Hendo apperently told his corner that Bisping hit like a little bitch!



Yeah, just got to that part..

But Matt Hughes?? Really??

That guy is a complete and total dick.. Seems like all Miletich fighters are complete dickheads except Jen Pulver..

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Yeah, just got to that part..

But Matt Hughes?? Really??

That guy is a complete and total dick.. Seems like all Miletich fighters are complete dickheads except Jen Pulver..

Jen's isn't a Miletich guy anymore though is he? And yeah, Hughes. I started out MMA as a guy who was a pure wrestler right around the time Hughes started his rise so I'm a huge mark for him. Ditto with Hendo and Randy. Well, that and Randy is my hero.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Plus Hughes/Trigg II.... I mean COME ON!

[Destor]

LOL @ rob

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Interesting... I may have to stand corrected then... I'm just shocked because ECW was using whatever theme they wanted...

RVD never used Pantera's version of Walk either, he used a cover. So it might be something that's unique to the band/label.

[Impact!]

Thoughts:

- Thought Belcher beat Sexyama...def close, but really thought Belcher would get "the nod"

- Thought Fitch would do alot better against Thiago...neither was really impressive imo

- Hendo KILLED Bisping...I wanted Bisping to win and all, but damn that was impressive...

- GSP couldn't put Alves away, but Alves certainly never looked like he was going to win. Definetly impressed with his ground escapes and "takedown defense". He fought about as well as you can expect anyone to fight against GSP

- Lesnar is scary...Still not to sure how good Mir is though...

- Really want to see Lesnar V Carwin (and to a lesser extent Cro Cop, Cain, and Gonzaga)

[CSL]

RVD never used Pantera's version of Walk either, he used a cover. So it might be something that's unique to the band/label.

He used the Pantera version until they released/planned to release that 'Extreme Music' CD, for which they had Kilgore cover it and he started using that until ECW shut shop

[Anybody Thrilla]

I watched this at some bar in Philly called Fox and Hound and the place was going absolutely batshit the entire show. What a fun environment. Also, I think it's safe to say that Brock Lesnar is a huge heel. Beautiful. Dana bitched at him, but I think that's just something he has to do in his position. He really should be slipping Lesnar a bonus check for what he's about to do for his business.

[Haze]

Few thoughts on the whole Lesnar situation...

Am I the only one who thinks Lesnar could potentially be very bad for the UFC? I am not arguing the guys skill, and I understand that he is an emotional fighter. But the is completely out of touch with reality. He is quickly becoming the Mike Tyson of MMA, and it won't be long before there is an incident much like Tyson vs Holyfield. I mean do you really see any ref being able to pull Brock off a guy if he were to completly snap? The guy has been called an animal for most of his career, and the sick part is, is that he buying into his own hype. UFC has taken years to repair the damage done during the late 90's when MMA was deemed "human cock fighting." Athletic commionsions have be ify on MMA, and it won't take much for states commionsions to pull back from allowing UFC to be showcased.

And as far as the "Coors Light" comment goes. It took the UFC years to get sponsership from major companies like Bud Light. Ultimately, Bud Light did well before the UFC, and could stand to drop their sponsership over a comment like that. The UFC needs companies like Bud Light to endorse their product if they want to grow to a legitimate sport, and I am still curious to see if there will be any sort of backlash from the whole thing.

My thoughts are all kind of jumbled together right now, and I gotta get back to work.

So agree, disagree.
Discuss, Flame.
Have at it.

[Mr. JL]

I thought Brock Lesnar's post-fight antics were un-called for, but I also thought it was funny as hell. Obviously, I can see why the UFC would be pissed though. Fuck Mir though, I don't care about any trash talking that Lesnar gave him. Mir talks shit, he got shut up and then Lesnar talked shit right back to him.

[Haze]

Yes, but Mir is not looked at as the face of the UFC. Everything Brock does reflects on the company as a whole.

[Kris P Lettus]

The only comment anyone including White should be concerned with is the Coors Lights one.. Other than that Lesnar is going to be a huge cash cow for UFC.. Think about the past HW champs.. Besides a few guys like Couture or Arlovski, you had douchebags like Tim Sylvia, Ricco Rodrigez, Mir, etc.. Atleast Lesnar is generating his own heat, not just hated for being boring or a douche..

ESPN First Take just talked about it and they have no fucking clue (EXCEPT doug Stewart) had no f' clue what they were talking about.. Skip Bayless was saying it was fake and a bunch of bullshit.. I hate that fucking guy..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Dana White said he isn't a big believer in all publicity is good publicity but if Brock Lesnar doesn't have that post-fight reaction I doubt he's on ESPN first take this morning so I don't know. Obviously in some situations publicity is bad but he was trying to make it seem like he doesn't think all this attention on Lesnar is a good thing, which I don't agree with. It's all about appealing to the causal fans and getting their attention, UFC has its core of fans already - they are going to watch with or without Lesnar's post-fight antics. I really think UFC is on the edge of exploding and becoming even bigger than it already is.

[Loose Cannon]

I watched this at some bar in Philly called Fox and Hound and the place was going absolutely batshit the entire show. What a fun environment. Also, I think it's safe to say that Brock Lesnar is a huge heel. Beautiful. Dana bitched at him, but I think that's just something he has to do in his position. He really should be slipping Lesnar a bonus check for what he's about to do for his business.

yea, that's where I usually watch the shows here. great environment

[Loose Cannon]

Dana White said he isn't a big believer in all publicity is good publicity but if Brock Lesnar doesn't have that post-fight reaction I doubt he's on ESPN first take this morning so I don't know. Obviously in some situations publicity is bad but he was trying to make it seem like he doesn't think all this attention on Lesnar is a good thing, which I don't agree with. It's all about appealing to the causal fans and getting their attention, UFC has its core of fans already - they are going to watch with or without Lesnar's post-fight antics. I really think UFC is on the edge of exploding and becoming even bigger than it already is.

yep, they were talking about the very same incident (more so then the actual fight) on Mike and Mike on ESPN 2 this morning. Mike Golic compared Lesnar's antics to the WWE and was questioning whether UFC really wants to go that route or get as far away from it as possible.

I agree with what you are saying though. I think that kind of stuff creates a buzz around casual fans and is needed sometimes

[McLegend]

Rome only wanted to talk about UFC today. He was all over it.

[Kris P Lettus]

Truthfully as a UFC fan for the past 16 years, I don't have any problem with it.. As Dana said on First Take, most fights end like the Alves/GSP fight with mutual respect and whatnot.. What Skip Bayless was saying was uneducated and moronic.. I mean, he was saying how great boxing was and how any boxer could get in a cage and KO any UFC fighter with the 4oz gloves.. Completely retarded statment.. Then he went on to say how he thought UFC was fixed and all this shit because of Lesnar acting like a prowrestler instead of a professional fighter.. For fuck sake, look at Mike Tyson.. He was not only one of the greatest boxer of our generation but of the entire history of boxing in general, and he used to fight at every weigh-in and threaten to rape people and eat their children.. That kind of shit equals ratings..

As a long time MMA fan, I personally don't have any problem with Lesnar's post fight comments and think it will only add to his rep..

[Rob]

I know when a fighter’s out. I knew he was out when I first hit him. That second punch one was just to shut him up a bit.

[Kris P Lettus]

Don't fucking care..

You fight until the ref stops you.. Ref's fault, not Hendo's..

I know you are a Bisping mark, and rightfully so, but you are knowledgeable enough about MMA to know anything can happen.. It was a legal shot so stop being a bitch about it..

[HeartBreakMan2k]

As someone trains MMA I wouldn't be mad at the guy who through that shot on me. You're told to go until the ref stops you, period. No one is mad with Wandy when he knocks out Jardine and holds him by the throat and continues to pop him.

Guys get flashed all the time, you have no idea how quickly someone is going to recover. You throw until the match is over, that's what the instructions are, and if you don't you're going to lose a fight. Even if Bisping through that shot I wouldn't have had an issue with it, and I hate that motherfucker.

[weather vane]

yeah!

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Rashad Evans did the same thing after he laid out Chuck Liddell. The only difference was the referee got there in time to prevent a second devastating punch. Quintin did the same to Wandy also.

Regardless of what his comments were, Dan Henderson did his job and did as he was told to do.

[Rob]

Don't fucking care..

You fight until the ref stops you.. Ref's fault, not Hendo's..

I know you are a Bisping mark, and rightfully so, but you are knowledgeable enough about MMA to know anything can happen.. It was a legal shot so stop being a bitch about it..

Are you stupid too?

What the fuck does it have to do with it being Michael Bisping? Just because it was him on the receiving end of it that means I wouldn't pipe up and say the same thing for anyone else? Bullshit. Total fucking bullshit.

Yeah it was a legal shot. I don't recall saying it wasn't. Feel free to correct me where I may have said it wasn't. You might be a while looking though.

If you think it's okay to pound the fuck out of someone you know is out cold then that's your business. I would like to see MMA going serious injury/death free for a while though. If Henderson legit was running on energy and didn't know he was out then okay, not a problem. If Henderson knew what he did and didn't admit it, not a problem because we wouldn't be discussing this now. Bottom line is he knew what he said and he admitted it. Anyone here and anywhere else can make all the excuses in the world for him doing it (and my lord are you!). Obviously the UFC were pissed at him for no reason then right? What harm would it have done if Henderson took one step back and waited for the ref to move? Other fighters have done this before.

Again, I don't have a problem with any fighter following up in the heat of the moment. I have the problem with wankers who admit they hit people who they know are out cold.

It's like speaking to a bunch of fucking Sherdog posters here. Fuck sake.

I'll give Henderson some credit though. He has made me want to see another Anderson Silva fight now. Obviously he'd have no problem with anyone else knocking fuck out of his limp body either.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Are you stupid too?

What the fuck does it have to do with it being Michael Bisping? Just because it was him on the receiving end of it that means I wouldn't pipe up and say the same thing for anyone else? Bullshit. Total fucking bullshit.

Yeah it was a legal shot. I don't recall saying it wasn't. Feel free to correct me where I may have said it wasn't. You might be a while looking though.

If you think it's okay to pound the fuck out of someone you know is out cold then that's your business. I would like to see MMA going serious injury/death free for a while though. If Henderson legit was running on energy and didn't know he was out then okay, not a problem. If Henderson knew what he did and didn't admit it, not a problem because we wouldn't be discussing this now. Bottom line is he knew what he said and he admitted it. Anyone here and anywhere else can make all the excuses in the world for him doing it (and my lord are you!). Obviously the UFC were pissed at him for no reason then right? What harm would it have done if Henderson took one step back and waited for the ref to move? Other fighters have done this before.

Again, I don't have a problem with any fighter following up in the heat of the moment. I have the problem with wankers who admit they hit people who they know are out cold.

It's like speaking to a bunch of fucking Sherdog posters here. Fuck sake.

I'll give Henderson some credit though. He has made me want to see another Anderson Silva fight now. Obviously he'd have no problem with anyone else knocking fuck out of his limp body either.


I do understand where you're coming from. However, were you saying this after Rampage fuckbombed Wanderlai after he knocked him out cold?

[CSL]

Posting somewhere that had an MMA forum?

Fuckbombed might be my new favourite word

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol I do what I can :p

[Nark Order]

Rob, come on.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I will repeat that maybe technically Rob is right because of what Hendo said after the fight. However, him saying he doesn't only care because it was bisping is probably a load of crap lol. I did not hear him crying the same foul when Rampage killed Wanderlei.

[Rob]

I'll say right now Rampage was in the wrong. There is no excuse for hitting anyone once the ref steps in. BJ Penn was also wrong in the Jens Pulver rematch.

As for the Bisping thing, what's the excuse for everyone else in the world who are saying the same as me and aren't Bisping marks?

[Danny Electric]

I've got to admit again that I've lost any respect that I had for Henderson and I agree with Rob that because he came out an admitted it that it made the situation worse.
The UFC is trying to come across all the time as a legit organisation and they don't need one of their top fighters admitting that they hit a guy that they knew was knocked out.
Especially at one of it's biggest events of all time.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I thought it was stupid when he came out and said it to be honest... everyone in the room was like "No Hendo shutup!" but to say you "lost all respect for him" is pretty dumb. It was a stupid thing to say, but shit, it was heat of the moment. These guys are fighters, things get nasty. In no way was Hendo right to say what he said after the fight, but a) fight til the ref stops you and b) shit happens. It's not like Hendo was fighting dirty or cheated or anything, his emotions just got the better of him in a very emotionally charged fight. He didn't do anything illegal... he did something questionable, but are you going to tell me you lost ALL respect for Wanderlei and BJ?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'll say right now Rampage was in the wrong. There is no excuse for hitting anyone once the ref steps in. BJ Penn was also wrong in the Jens Pulver rematch.



You say it now... but when it happened where were you :p, I could be wrong but you are a 'page fan are you not? I'm just sayin... people react differently when it's their fighter getting hammered. I agree that what Hendo did was dumb, I just think you're over reacting.

But Robert, you know I love you still :kiss: we should never argue :'(

[Danny Electric]

I'm saying I lost respect for him saying what he said, did Wanderlei and BJ say the same thing?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm saying I lost respect for him saying what he said, did Wanderlei and BJ say the same thing?

lol saying what he said? So he was honest... and you lost respect for him. Rampage beat the shit out of Wanderlei after he was unconscious and no1 asked him shit about it because they all knew about the bad blood, so he didn't have anything to say. Same goes for BJ, theyknew he did not like Jens, so they knew he held the choke on for longer.

Rogan happened to ask Hendo, and Hendo being the straight shooter (and somewhat of a dumbass) that he is, gave an honest answer.

So what you're telling me, is if they asked Rampage why he hit Wanderlei over and over after he got knocked the fuck out and he said "Nah son whatchoo talkin about, I didn't touch him" you'd have lost no respect for him? Give me a fucking break.

[Danny Electric]

Yeah if Rampage came out and said the same thing that Henderson said then yeah I would, same with any other fighter. That's just how I am, you have your views and I have my views.
I think it's pretty fucking disgusting to hit a guy that you know is out, whoever does it and at the same time it does nothing for the reputation of MMA.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah if Rampage came out and said the same thing that Henderson said then yeah I would, same with any other fighter. That's just how I am, you have your views and I have my views.
I think it's pretty fucking disgusting to hit a guy that you know is out, whoever does it and at the same time it does nothing for the reputation of MMA.

But you damned well know Rampage was thinking and would have said something similar to what Hendo said if asked the question.

[Danny Electric]

Well if Rampage came out and admitted it then I'd think he was a dick too, as I said, whoever did it.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Oh but lying about it is okay?

[Mr. JL]

He went in and knocked Bisping out cold and did not stop until the ref stepped in. Rules are you fight until the ref stops the fight. Ref did not jump in quick enough and Henderson kept on fighting because of that fact. If anything, you should lose respect for the referee that was not quick enough to step in and protect the injured fighter.

There have been a handful of guys that bounce back after being knocked unconcious for a few moments and if Bisping would have done so, then everyone here would have been all over Henderson for not capitalizing on the oppertunity he had to finish the fight.

[Danny Electric]

And how are we supposed to know that they are lying, I'm not saying that.
I said I think that anyone would be a dick for hitting a person that they knew was out.

[Danny Electric]

As I said before I have my view, I'm not going to change my view whatever is said. It's how I personally feel, now I respect that you have your view as well.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

As I said before I have my view, I'm not going to change my view whatever is said. It's how I personally feel, now I respect that you have your view as well.

Yeah but your view is skewed, and that is my view. You just said you think someone's a dick for hitting someone when they know they're out. Rampage hit Wanderlei ridiculously hard when he was out cold and the ref was pulling him off, are you equally as emotionally charged about it asyou are about Henderson? I'm just saying... with you and Rob it's pretty clear bias is coming into play.

[Danny Electric]

Jesus christ, have you lot read anything that me and Rob have said. I have continuously said that I think anyone who hits a guy on the floor when they know they are out is a dick.
Maybe we are more emotionally charged because it only happened the other night and because we have to keep on answering the same question.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol it's just pretty funny. I'm sorry man ;)

[Reavant]

I have a right to my opinion, and my opinion is that you have no opinion
-george Carlin

[Terra Ryzin]

Originally Posted by Dan Henderson
I know when a fighter’s out. I knew he was out when I first hit him. That second punch one was just to shut him up a bit.

actually rob you misquoted him...

Originally Posted by Dan Henderson
I know when a fighter’s out. I knew he was out when I first hit him. I THINK that was just to shut him up a little bit

he says " I THINK" which to me follows up with his "heat of the moment" comments later on. he wasnt sure why he did it he was just in the moment and made a joke about it. he never admitted he did it on purpose or it was somehow premeditated

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It was still stupid to say that... it gives people the wrong idea. I mean when it comes down to semantics the chances are it's a foolish thing to say. The main reason I question what he said isjust because of the vultures who are against mma would jump all over something like that to discredit the sport. However, I do believe he was in the heat of the moment and shit happens, and whining about it is kind of dumb. It's fighting, it's not baseball.

[Terra Ryzin]

It was still stupid to say that... it gives people the wrong idea. I mean when it comes down to semantics the chances are it's a foolish thing to say. The main reason I question what he said isjust because of the vultures who are against mma would jump all over something like that to discredit the sport. However, I do believe he was in the heat of the moment and shit happens, and whining about it is kind of dumb. It's fighting, it's not baseball.

i agree...and let them jump all over his comments and the sport. but the fact is that it was still replayed all over espn and made the "top 10 plays of the day"...let them haters hate :yes:

[Rob]

You say it now... but when it happened where were you :p, I could be wrong but you are a 'page fan are you not? I'm just sayin... people react differently when it's their fighter getting hammered. I agree that what Hendo did was dumb, I just think you're over reacting.

But Robert, you know I love you still :kiss: we should never argue :'(

I was a huge Henderson fan too but let's ignore that part because it only gets in the way.

If Tito Ortiz, Diego Sanchez, Brock Lesnar, Tim Sylvia or any other "hated" MMA fighter did what Henderson did, would the reaction be the same? No.

[Rob]

actually rob you misquoted him...



he says " I THINK" which to me follows up with his "heat of the moment" comments later on. he wasnt sure why he did it he was just in the moment and made a joke about it. he never admitted he did it on purpose or it was somehow premeditated

What do you mean he never admitted he did it on purpose? He said he knew he was out after the first punch? Fuck me! Can it be any more clearer than that? And he never accidently threw a punch did he?

I seriously can't discuss this anymore. People have already made up their minds and some have chosen to point blank refuse to accept facts when making their own opinion. I can't deal with these people.

[Impact!]

I was a huge Henderson fan too but let's ignore that part because it only gets in the way.

If Tito Ortiz, Diego Sanchez, Brock Lesnar, Tim Sylvia or any other "hated" MMA fighter did what Henderson did, would the reaction be the same? No.

Tito's not hated...he's just mis-understood :shifty:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I was a huge Henderson fan too but let's ignore that part because it only gets in the way.

If Tito Ortiz, Diego Sanchez, Brock Lesnar, Tim Sylvia or any other "hated" MMA fighter did what Henderson did, would the reaction be the same? No.

Everyone like(d) Hendo though, I just figure you're a bigger Bisping mark.

[The Mackem]

Does anyone have Brock's post match speech?

[wwe2222]

Im much more of a Brock fan now than when he was in the WWE. I had no problem with his post match antics, etc. (except the Coors Light comment).

It creates great buzz not only for the match that just happened but also for future events. We all need a dominant figure to love or hate, and Brock is providing that right now.

There havent been many other guys that I have personally cared much about.

[Reavant]

So anyway my coach john Kading is friends with all of Brock's trainers and in fact back in the day when Brock was in college and John was wrestling for the worlds in freestyle, he got to wrestle with Lesnar.

John told me that he talked to Brocks trainers after the ppv and that the reason he freaked at the end of the match is because brock is a really sensitive guy and he was legitimatly pissed at Mir. I know that sounds like a fucking joke but Im completely serious.

[Reavant]

perhaps brock is a big teddy bear in his personal life