2nd Title for ECW

[The Jayman]

Just want to get thoughts on adding a second title to ECW. maybe bringing back the ECW television title or something like that.

[AJHayes]

I would go for the ECW TV Title, but I don't think that there are enough people on the roster.

[Hanso Amore]

THey dont have time to book that into the show. Fuck, the ECW title isnt featured on every PPV or show, so how would they work in another title?

[The Jayman]

I was thinking of a title they can push more for the actual shows. The ECW title is good for the PPV

[Mr. Nerfect]

I actually agree that it would not be a bad idea. ECW has a lot of new guys, and there are pretty much two tiers on ECW -- the ECW Title contenders, and those that are not ECW Title contenders. Why not give the guys who aren't ECW Title contenders a title?

The ECW Television Title would probably currently be around the waist of Sheamus or Zack Ryder, or something, and be lending them credibility. I think that having a second title would also make the ECW Title look a little better by default, just because there would be actual depth on the show.

Currently there is nothing else for a guy to do on ECW. By having a secondary title, you can keep the ECW Title away from certain people, and then guys like Ryder have something to their name when they jump over to RAW or SmackDown!.

[The Jayman]

Also given the fact that it would be the "television" title it would give the guys that we see on television something to look forward too b/c they don't have any appearences on PPV

[dablackguy]

Too small a roster I think - though if it was a TV title it could be a good idea

[thedamndest]

The WWE does not need another title. I'd rather see the tag champs compete over there for awhile or even one of the women challenge for a championship. Booking the show without a title isn't as challenging as it seems. Guys don't stay on ECW that long before they get shipped to Raw or SD. If you look at who is winning the ECW title it's established stars, not the up-and-comers. This would be a "Congratulations, you've made it to the WWE, now you're going to Smackdown" belt.

[Jordan]

No way, another title on ECW would be so meaningless. If there were to do any type of title a "Beat the Champ" type title could be cool. More of a number one contendership/MITB type title. The GM decides who is to compete for the title maybe in a four way. The winner then can use his shot any time he wishes. Once he uses the shot win or lose the Beat The Champ title is vacant and another four way match must decided the holder of the title.

[screech]

It'd be better for the brand if other champions (Women's, Tag) challenged people on ECW, as thedamndest suggested. It would give the guys who aren't in the ECW title hunt a chance to build their credibility before being promoted to RAW or SD.

[The Ravishing One]

I say bring back either the Hardcore or the Crusierweight title.

Hardcore because its ECW and you can have extreme rules matches and can bring back the 24/7 rule to keep the show moving.

Or the Crusierweight title, because you have plenty of lightweights on the undercard that could benefit from switching brands and fighting for something meaningful.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I say push the show to at least an hour and a half, and then let's talk about adding a second title. I would like to see the Hardcore Championship make it's return. It would be the most logical belt to bring to ECW and then probably the TV title.

[Gertner]

They have like 4 wrestlers. Half the ECW roster would be champions.

[Jordan]

I will never get it. Who wants to be a champion of tv?

[Juan]

The TV Champion, at least in WCW, defended his title at every TV taping, so I would only want the TV title back if it was defended on Raw, ECW, Superstars and Smackdown.

[Afterlife]

I would get behind a 2nd ECW title when they get a 2nd ECW hour.

[thedamndest]

I really hope they don't give ECW a second hour. It would defeat the purpose of it becoming the new guy show and it would just get bogged down with crappy storylines. Best to keep it as streamlined as possible.

[Xero]

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[Leonard Washington]

You have an ECW roster with 6 people and you want a second title? Why?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Abraham Washington
Christian
DJ Gabriel
Ezekiel Jackson
Goldust
Gregory Helms/The Hurricane
Paul Burchill
Sheamus
Shelton Benjamin
Tommy Dreamer
Tyler Reks
Vladimir Kozlov
Yoshi Tatsu
Zack Ryder

I could see the argument a second title...but the way ECW is structured right now it seems to be you have a few token guys who are on every week (Christian, Dreamer) and the rest of the roster seems to alternate and be on every other week (well, except for DJ Gabriel, who I'm shocked hasn't been future endeavor'd yet).

For a new title to be effective, its champion would also need to make an appearance every week, which will cost some guys the little available airtime there is. Plus you have the Abraham Washington Show on an almost weekly basis as well.

If they were to get a second title going on ECW, I'd say just have Show and Jericho feud with a couple of ECW guys (they could win a tri-branded tag team battle royal for #1 contendership, or something). If nothing else it would get the two guys over as they'd probably get booked on Raw and SD in the meantime, plus Jericho and Show would get to appear on ECW to briefly beek up its ranks. I dunno.</font>

[Afterlife]

It honestly sickens me that the flailing disaster that is The Abraham Washington Show is becoming a weekly event, when a wrestling match could take place then, instead. THe only thing I'd LIKE to see on that segment is Abe's guest being DJ Gabriel. If Abe laid into him for being "so bad" that he'd been kept off tv for three months, then have DJ get in his face and offer to (excuse the phrase) prove him wrong... Well, then at least the segment would offer something potentially productive, instead of damn singing competition and smurf jokes.

[Fox]

WWE Title
World Heavyweight Title
ECW Title
United States Title
Intercontinental Title
WWE Tag Team Titles
World Tag Team Titles
Women's Title
Diva's Title


Yeah, that's what we need. ANOTHER fucking title.

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE Title
World Heavyweight Title
ECW Title
United States Title
Intercontinental Title
WWE Tag Team Titles
World Tag Team Titles
Women's Title
Diva's Title


Yeah, that's what we need. ANOTHER fucking title.

In ECW we have the ECW Title. That is it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

<font color=goldenrod>Abraham Washington
Christian
DJ Gabriel
Ezekiel Jackson
Goldust
Gregory Helms/The Hurricane
Paul Burchill
Sheamus
Shelton Benjamin
Tommy Dreamer
Tyler Reks
Vladimir Kozlov
Yoshi Tatsu
Zack Ryder

I could see the argument a second title...but the way ECW is structured right now it seems to be you have a few token guys who are on every week (Christian, Dreamer) and the rest of the roster seems to alternate and be on every other week (well, except for DJ Gabriel, who I'm shocked hasn't been future endeavor'd yet).

For a new title to be effective, its champion would also need to make an appearance every week, which will cost some guys the little available airtime there is. Plus you have the Abraham Washington Show on an almost weekly basis as well.

If they were to get a second title going on ECW, I'd say just have Show and Jericho feud with a couple of ECW guys (they could win a tri-branded tag team battle royal for #1 contendership, or something). If nothing else it would get the two guys over as they'd probably get booked on Raw and SD in the meantime, plus Jericho and Show would get to appear on ECW to briefly beek up its ranks. I dunno.</font>

How many of those men are reputable enough to be in the ECW Title hunt? Christian, Shelton Benjamin, Tommy Dreamer, Vladimir Kozlov and William Regal? There is a noticeable gap between them and the other guys. It seems Sheamus and Ezekiel Jackson are being groomed for big things in ECW, but they're not quite there yet. Goldust and The Hurricane are both veterans, but lack the immediate credibility.

What are Ezekiel Jackson (for now), Gabriel, Goldust, The Hurricane, Paul Burchill, Sheamus (for now), Tyler Reks and Yoshi Tatsu fighting for?

[thedamndest]

Having guys like Yoshi and Sheamus or other guys who are fresh out of development who have been there for two or three weeks battle over a new title would be pretty meaningless. There are plenty of other ways to get a guy over.

[Volare]

How many of those men are reputable enough to be in the ECW Title hunt? Christian, Shelton Benjamin, Tommy Dreamer, Vladimir Kozlov and William Regal? There is a noticeable gap between them and the other guys. It seems Sheamus and Ezekiel Jackson are being groomed for big things in ECW, but they're not quite there yet. Goldust and The Hurricane are both veterans, but lack the immediate credibility.

What are Ezekiel Jackson (for now), Gabriel, Goldust, The Hurricane, Paul Burchill, Sheamus (for now), Tyler Reks and Yoshi Tatsu fighting for?

The right to party!

But seriously I understand where your coming from.

[Evil Vito]

How many of those men are reputable enough to be in the ECW Title hunt? Christian, Shelton Benjamin, Tommy Dreamer, Vladimir Kozlov and William Regal? There is a noticeable gap between them and the other guys. It seems Sheamus and Ezekiel Jackson are being groomed for big things in ECW, but they're not quite there yet. Goldust and The Hurricane are both veterans, but lack the immediate credibility.

What are Ezekiel Jackson (for now), Gabriel, Goldust, The Hurricane, Paul Burchill, Sheamus (for now), Tyler Reks and Yoshi Tatsu fighting for?

<font color=goldenrod>While I get where you are coming from, it just wouldn't make sense to me to add another title at this stage. Look at it this way, if the ECW Title is viewed as being on the same level of the other two show's secondary titles (IC and US), what would the secondary title for ECW be on the same level as? The Women's/Divas Title? I just don't think an extra title for ECW would mean anything or really help out resumes at all in the long run.

Like I said though, if they wanted to get some more ECW guys into a title picture, they always have the Undisputed Tag belts to fall back on, which would certainly look better on a resume than an ECW TV Title reign.

I could very easily see this Vladimir Kozlov/Ezekiel Jackson one-upsmanship storyline turning into a respectful alliance. You know Vince loves his hosses, it wouldn't be past him to have Vlad and Zeke on all three shows as the tag champs just destroying people. It could bring credibility to ECW that a title that can float between all three brands is being held by two ECW guys.

Likewise, if they wanted a babyface team, they could easily get a couple of guys over by having them win a tri-branded number one contender battle royal for the belts, or something. Imagine if Goldust and The Hurricane had a brief feud with Jericho and Big Show? That would make for some funny promos I think.</font>

[Fabien Barthez]

If ECW was 90 minutes, it would be great. If defended every week on the show.

A 3 month run as TV champ would give anybody a decent rub and set them on the way. Also give someone a chance, who wouldn't always be on TV, to get that time every week to work a recurring character trait, or build a fued, just work the mic and get his character over with vitually guarenteed weekly TV time.

It could become an important initial rub to anybody, because it would take a decent all-rounder to get over with that much responsibility.

[thedamndest]

I've seen a lot of people saying the Hardcore Title should be brought back. Not just here, but in The Vault as well. I don't understand the reasoning behind this. The 24/7 rule was funny for awhile, but it wore out its welcome pretty quick. You'd be watching a match and then all of the sudden here comes Crash Holly to take the belt away. Then five more guys chase him down. And that was the belt's sole purpose. It wasn't really an accomplishment. It was like playing king of the mountain. Some of the actual matches were good. But now we don't have guys like Raven, Saturn, Blackman, Al Snow, etc. And it's the PG era. How good could that division be?

[Fox]

The Hardcore Division wouldn't have to be about the 24/7 rule.

If they did it the way that ECW implemented their hardcore rules it could be amazing. The weapons and lack of rules would assist the matches as opposed to become the match. No more going under the ring and throwing out 5-6 weapons, hitting each other with them and then finishing. Maybe one chair is used during an entire match. See Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn matches as great examples. They use maybe one or two chairs, and do so in innovative and interesting ways, without making the match about the weapon.

On the other hand, in 2000 the WWF's hardcore matches were nothing but 10 minutes of a ring filled with plunder and hitting each other in the face. It got repetitive.

[thedamndest]

Well it's the WWE we're talking about. Pretty sure their hardcore matches would feature Michael Bay-explosions at this point.

[ImpactPlayer365]

ECW needs more time a week than one hour before they get another belt going on.

[NoRoolz]

A promising first post, ImpactPlayer365 :y:

[ImpactPlayer365]

oh yeah....how can we add an avatar to our name?

[ImpactPlayer365]

thank you...been wanting to join this for awhile...

[Juan]

User CP

[St. Jimmy]

1 Title Per hour.

[jony lions]

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so your sayim u want more titles. your a fucking gimp xero my zero.:foc::n:

[Tazz Dan]

That sir, is the worst joke in TPWW history.

[Tazz Dan]

Also, I thought his post read: No more titties. :$

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, I thought his post read: No more titties. :$

I'd really hate Xero if that were the case.

[Mr. Nerfect]

One thing I'd like to bring up about ECW:

It is a brand for new guys to debut, and for veterans to help them out, but one thing that bothers me is that there is no real "go-between" for them. Looking at the current roster, the only guy who really screams out as someone who doesn't seem out of place holding a World Title belt, is Christian.

I mean, who else is there? You've got solid veterans like William Regal and Goldust, but they haven't been established enough to hold a World Title. Who are you going to feed to them to make them look capable? The young guys? Speaking of which, you give a guy like Sheamus the ECW Title, and he looks good, fair enough, but is he ready? He'll then go over to RAW or SmackDown! and win the US or IC Title, and the cycle continues. The ECW Title might as well be the FCW Heavyweight Title if this is the case.

Maybe the WWE should use ECW as a stepping stone between some mid-carders on RAW or SmackDown! before they then go on to one of the "big show's" main event scene? For example, he might not have too much fanfare here, but Cody Rhodes, in my opinion, would make a pretty fine ECW Champion. He's got some big wins in his career (technically holds victories over guys like John Cena, Batista and most notable a pinfall over Triple H), has been with the WWE for a little bit, has held other titles, and is someone that the WWE probably has a bit of faith in.

Move Cody Rhodes to ECW after perhaps a short reign with the US Title, and then let him win the ECW Title there. He'll have some credibility, and he's got a built-in feud with Goldust, who he can elevate to ECW Title level, so there is another guy in ECW's top tier. Right now, I think the only guy with some credibility who can reach down, is Tommy Dreamer. If he puts over Zack Ryder, William Regal or Shelton Benjamin then that could work. Someone life Kofi Kingston could really use ECW as a stepping stone between being the perpetual mid-carder that he is, give him a technical "World Title" reign, before he moves up again and perhaps feuds with CM Punk, given their history.

But that involves a lot of brand tennis, with talent as balls. A second tier title in ECW could accomplish this on its own, and sort of set-up ECW as its own functioning brand. Hell, eventually they could get a second hour, with guys like Curt Hawkins, Jimmy Wang Yang, Primo Colon and Jamie Noble not really doing anything too pressing on their current shows. A Zack Ryder vs. Curt Hawkins feud over the ECW TV Title could be pretty cool, and doesn't really have a chance of imminently happening on RAW or SmackDown!.

[thedamndest]

I mean, who else is there? You've got solid veterans like William Regal and Goldust, but they haven't been established enough to hold a World Title. Who are you going to feed to them to make them look capable? The young guys? Speaking of which, you give a guy like Sheamus the ECW Title, and he looks good, fair enough, but is he ready? He'll then go over to RAW or SmackDown! and win the US or IC Title, and the cycle continues. The ECW Title might as well be the FCW Heavyweight Title if this is the case.


The way they're booking it now they're having it so the established guys that didn't get over or didn't win the big one but were upper mid-carders to main eventers win the ECW title. That makes the title look good. It also ensures you don't give it to someone who isn't over or isn't going to be able to hang on the road or whatever other issue would arise. The right path is what they're doing now. Let the new guys debut, see if they make waves, then take them to Raw or SD and have them feud for an established belt. There is no need to create a new belt. The new belt would NEVER be respected.

[The Jayman]

The reason I would like to see a 2nd title on ecw is to give the ECW title more credibility.imo the ecw title is only being viewed as a mid card title. it would just give more prestige to the ecw title and the eventually the brand itself. I also agree that the show needs to be longer in order for it to happen.

[thedamndest]

How would adding another title give the ECW more credibility? You'd still have the issue of the new belt being a rookies belt and the ECW belt only going to guys like Matt Hardy, Christian, Mark Henry, etc. As long as you never see guys like the Undertaker, HHH, HBK, Cena, Batista, etc. making it their goal in life to go to ECW and win the title, it will never have the prestige of any other title.

[The Jayman]

I know it will never have the prestige like the wwe or world heavyweight titles. tbh I am just behind the ecw brand in general. I just would like to see ecw more than just a mid card show with a mid card title. I know right now that it is a stepping stone. hopefully one day it will be a true brand that can contend with raw/smackdown. possibly 2011.

[thedamndest]

Personally I want ECW to be as little like Raw as possible.

[The Jayman]

agreed. I just meant on the scale.

[Afterlife]

Personally I want ECW to be as little like Raw as possible.

I want it to be so Raw, Raw is like "Man, we need to be more like them to get our us back to ourselves."