EUGENE...

[Eternalone79]

I Can not believe the balls that sorry sob Vince has..this chacter is beyond disgraceful...I work in the mental health feild and this is just very disturbing to me...i hope he anbd the guy portraying "Eugene" both burn in hell together

[Corkscrewed]

Because Nick Dinsmore has a choice even if he didn't want to do it right? :roll:

[The Show Off]

I Can not believe the balls that sorry sob Vince has..this chacter is beyond disgraceful...I work in the mental health feild and this is just very disturbing to me...i hope he anbd the guy portraying "Eugene" both burn in hell together

Your a politiclally correct tool. It's because of jackasses like you that cencorship is spreading like wild fire on television and radio. It's just something that is done to be humorous, be it a poor attempt. It's just so annoying when people get all pissy when something gets parodied. If you get offended so easily your going to spend most of your life pissed off. I don't care what people do I'm not offended. This isn't so bad, hell even nechrophilia wasn't offensive to me.

Grow up, and get over yourself. My sister suffers from down syndrom and I don't find this offensive to me.

[spd10000]

Because Nick Dinsmore has a choice even if he didn't want to do it right? :roll:

Of course he does. If he doesn't want to do it, he should leave.

[CBright7831]

Hell, for the money WWE pays, I would fucking do it in a heart beat.

[El Santo]

We've had a necrophilia angle, then the whole Al Wilson to do.

Sigh.

I was wondering how long it would be before the WWE debuted the next tasteless angle. Also, while I'm no fan of political correctness, I also do think the WWE goes too far sometimes. And frankly, Raw was on a good roll lately without having the whole "Eugene" thing.

[PureHatred]

Attn: Eternalone

I hate the Eugene angle right now, because I just can't see it being any good for Dinsmore. If he is "special" outside the ring and awesome inside the ring it could work. And of course, down the road when the inevitable "Eugene fights against William Regal's mistreatment" storyline takes place, the crowd will be strongly behing Eugene. But then what? Anyone seen Norman the Lunatic lately?

As for the political correctness/sensitivity thing: listen, it's wrestling. If you are looking for sensible, enlightened, soft-hearted, rainbows and Care Bears comedy, you won't find it here. It's supposed to be sophomoric and juvenile.

If a high ranking government official made fun of the mentally challenged, I'd be offended.

If a news reporter on CNN made fun of the mentally challenged, I'd be offended.

But when a show that repeatedly uses toilet humor, jokes about genitalia, T&A, racial stereotypes, slapstick, and..what's the last one, that's right...blatant nonstop violence makes fun of the mentally challenged..it's just part of the show. Get over yourself. If you don' like it, watch The View.

[KayfabeMan]

I didn't see it,but I heard a little about it. What's the whole story/deal?

[PureHatred]

Regal shows up. Bischoff knows that he wants a job , so he tells Regal he can return to Raw, but only if he manages EB's "nephew," Eugene Dinsmore. he builds Eugen up, saying he's young and 6'2' 280..so Regal figures its ok.

He goes to find Eugene and it is of course a big guy, wearing a jacket inside out with apaper pinned to him that says "HELLO MY NAME IS EUGENE." Eugene is "special." Regal takes him to go talk to EB.

Next segment, Regal is bitching about the situation to Eric, Eugene slips off to the announce booth, and starts doing a bit with JR & The King. Lawler calls him whacked...Eugene says, "DERRRR, whacked, whacked....BUSHWHACKERS!!!" Then does a aquick Luke impression before licking Lawler's face. Regal comes out , grabs him, and they got to the back.

We laughed, we cried, we handed Nick Dinsmore the role of "rasslin' retard" and apparently bumped Eternalone's poor widdle head.

[Wondermouse]

Your a politiclally correct tool. It's because of jackasses like you that cencorship is spreading like wild fire on television and radio. It's just something that is done to be humorous, be it a poor attempt. It's just so annoying when people get all pissy when something gets parodied. If you get offended so easily your going to spend most of your life pissed off. I don't care what people do I'm not offended. This isn't so bad, hell even nechrophilia wasn't offensive to me.

Grow up, and get over yourself. My sister suffers from down syndrom and I don't find this offensive to me.

You're a gramatically incorrect tool, but that's neither here nor there.

Look, he's not the reason Trish can't say screw without it being censored. He's someone who's got a reasonable objection to a gimmick of questionable taste. Calling someone who gets offended a child is, ironically, fairly childish.

[Dave Youell]

So was he like rainman then?

I kind like the idea of him being awsome in the ring and weird outside of it. As long as they dont go too far, but this is the WWE so of course they'll go too far

[Disturbed316]

He looked like a 1980's Randy Savage

[Mikey]

I think it is stupid because I think it is a waste of good talent. Nick Dinsmore is one of the best prospects in OVW and this is what they do to him

[Eternalone79]

First off I am FAR from politically correct I just feel like there is a point where someone goes to far. I was watching it in the home I work in and the clinents got a little upset when seeing that...it just felt wrong in my opinion...maybe its because I have spent so much time with mentally challenged people because after I thought about it last night I realized that two years ago I may not have seen anything wrong with it. Lastley IMO I do not see how anyone who is around it all the time can see much humor in it.

[Shaggy]

Alright, Eugene is pretty funny on the tv and I see why they are doing it. Yes it is bad for the mentally challenged but its still pretty funny. But with what they are dealing with I think that Eugene will soon be reported back in the "What do you think Vince wants to fans to forget thread". This character just wont last long.

[VonErich Lives]

Of course, w/ everything else the WWE/WWF has ever done, this one goes too far...

How does this differ from George Steele or other "mentally slow" charecters...

Would it be better if they gave a job to someone who really was mentally handicapped? I mean, no descrimination right?

[Eternalone79]

I just get the feeling they are taking it farther then a little slow...MAYBE I AM oversensetive but hey thats who I am...

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

I wouldn't trust you with the mentally challenged after witnessing your grammatical skills

[blake639raw]

I think it is stupid because I think it is a waste of good talent. Nick Dinsmore is one of the best prospects in OVW and this is what they do to him Which is exactly why I think this is stupid. I'm more offended that they are wasting what is supposed to be a great talent in such a directionless angle. Even though, I gotta admit, the Bushwhacker reference was funny as hell.

[BigDaddyCool]

you all bitch that is a horrible angle, just look at it this way, in a few months it will be over, and a piece will be written on it on Wrestlecrap.com.

[Deceit]

Haha, how are they going to explain later down the road when he changes his "gimmick"? A retard that magically was blessed out of his mental retardation? He'll pull a Chaz, for sure :)

[TheJShow]

Dogg: Dinsmore is anything but funny


TSN.ca Staff



4/6/2004

As a wrestling fan, I have had more than my share of raised eyebrows thrown at me when World Wrestling Entertainment decides to push the envelope. A lot of my friends, co-workers and colleagues watch RAW with me from time to time and wonder aloud why I watch 'this crap.'



It's fun entertainment, I would tell them. It's more than just two men or women in tights. It's about trying to tell a story and making it sell like any other television program.



But there are times when WWE puts out something so offensive, I have a very hard time explaining it to myself, let alone curious mainstream viewers. Mae Young giving birth to a hand, getting put through a table and taking her top off at a pay-per-view was certainly difficult to swallow, as well as that horrendous Katie Vick angle between Triple H and Kane we saw two years ago.



But on Monday, World Wrestling Entertainment hit an all-time creative low that I couldn't even explain to my shocked and sickened wife. As we all saw, William Regal was back on RAW (which was actually nice to see) and wanted to get back to work. RAW GM Eric Bischoff promised he would put him back on the roster if he would do him one favour - manage his nephew, Eugene Dinsmore.



Great, I thought! This was the chance to check out this new Nick Dinsmore character that Brian Garside was raving about! But in my 20 years of watching wrestling I have seen some pretty eye-opening, jaw-dropping stuff, I was not prepared to see what was coming up next.



The character of Eugene Dinsmore was developmentally challenged.



The segment on TV which saw Dinsmore do the Bushwacker dance and lick Jerry Lawler was so tasteless and unfunny I couldn't even bear to look at the television screen.



Forget that stupid sugar-coated garbage Bischoff said about his nephew being 'special.' We are not that stupid. To my utter shock and disgust, some writer in the back actually thought it would be funny to promote a developmentally challenged wrestler. Isn't it ironic that this is coming from a company that once expressed anger and outrage when Vince Russo introduced WCW's Oklahoma - a Jim Ross-inspired character who twisted his mouth mocking Ross's real life battle with Bell's Palsy?



As wrestling fans, we pay good money to go to live events and interact with the stars. In return, the stars give us every opportunity to cheer or boo them. The heroes we like tend to come out, give fans high-fives and go for cheap pops by mentioning the city they are in. The heels will look for anything to get a negative buzz. They'll knock on how ugly the men and women are in the audience or call us fat, lazy, cowards. Thats fine by us. We usually respond appropriately.



But what we saw on Monday night was something different. Dinsmore's character was an unfair carricature that made a complete mockery of people in this world who are trying hard every day to live their lives. They have substantial limitations in self-care, receptive and expressive language, learning, mobility, self-direction, capacity for independent living and economic self-sufficiency. I do not envy the obstacles that developmentally challenged people have to go through and have nothing but respect for the fact that they are trying so hard to live their lives just like everyone else should.



What we saw on Monday night wasn't entertainment or comedy. It was an unprovoked attack by WWE on people who, more often than not, do not have a voice to stand up for themselves.



What makes this even more heart-breaking is the fact that the very group of people that Dinsmore's character was belittling make up a very important part of WWE's fan base.



When I'm out with Garside or Double A doing an interview with a WWE Superstar, it's usually at an autograph signing or special appearance. And there's nothing that makes me happier on these trips than seeing these fans get to meet their favourite stars. These aren't the fans who sit back like wise-cracking, ego-driven smart marks with the latest creative suggestions (myself included) for WWE. These are fans that really love and appreciate everything they see. They don't judge wrestlers on trivial things like mic abilities or work rate. They truly idolize these men and women as their heroes.



And the Dinsmore gimmick was a total slap in their faces.



Now I'm sure there are some of you out there who thought Eugene Dinsmore was hilarious and that I'm taking this way too seriously with some holier-than-thou approach. That's fine, because as a WWE fan, you are entitled to like or dislike whatever you see.



But if that's the case, let me make just one simple request - take a really good look at the other side of the story.



The next time you go to a WWE event - whether it be a live show or a meet-and-greet - take a quick peek to see if these wonderful fans are in attendance. Look at the sheer joy in their faces when they get to see their real-live superheroes in action. Better yet, click on to our Special Olympics page here at TSN.ca and see just a few of the many great and awe-inspiring things that people with mental disabilities are truly capable of.



So how funny is Eugene Dinsmore now? Not funny enough for me to keep watching him.



For TSN.ca/wrestling, I'm Kelvin Chow.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Haha, how are they going to explain later down the road when he changes his "gimmick"? A retard that magically was blessed out of his mental retardation? He'll pull a Chaz, for sure :)

Simple solution... Paul Heyman is banging EB's sister, and this is his plan to get back at EB. After Eugene is built up, he'll turn, beat the hell out of EB, sue for mistreatment, and then be managed by Paul Heyman.... Hell, what am I saying, this gimmick has no chance of salvation.

[Xero]

I could see this leading up to a "Mastermind" plot... Having possibly Eugene turn on Regal and have the feud... Maybe have him "arrested" for beating a meantally challanged person? I dunno, I just see "mastermind" written all over this...

As far as the humor-factor goes, I chuckled, sure... Its not right, but the entertainment factor is there, because, lets face it, some wrestling fans are kinda immature.... Or its just that Vince is immature, I dunno... :shifty:

[What Would Kevin Do?]

You know, in a sense, this can show the trials of the mentally challenged. If Eugene does well in the ring, he's overcoming his disability and doing something grand. In a sense, it is like participating in the special olympics. Eugene can be used to show that the mentally challenged are people with goals, ambitions, and desires as well.....

Or he can be used for slapstick....

I'm betting on the latter.

[Mister Sinister]

Either Way, one way or another, we'll hear nothing but bitching about this angle for months to come, wheither it be, that they are having a mentally challenged wrestler, which could be seen as poking fun, Or people will complain, if Denmore, begins to go on a winning Streak, beating other talents, which in turn will have people complain about realism....

In Turn, I'm never reading another topic with the word Engene in it....I say, atleast give the gimmick, three weeks before you begin passing judgement

[loopydate]

I'm not offended because it's politically incorrect.

I'm offended because it's badly written.
I'm offended because they're ripping off a character from one of my least favorite movies of all-time.
I'm offended because Nick Dinsmore just doesn't play a convincing person with a disability.
I'm offended because this is NOT how I wanted to see William Regal come back.

[Lamuella]

offensive? Maybe not

really dumb and bad for business? Yup

are any fans going to pay to come and see a "mentally challenged" wrestler? No.

Will Nick Dinsmore's worth be exponentially reduced by having played this character? Yes

Will the entire angle revolve around Regal being disgusted by his charge and eventually turning on him? You betcha.

Will this angle put bums on seats? Not a chance in hell.

Will this angle disgust a lot of people? Probably.

This is readymade Wrestlecrap.

[Gertner]

I work with mentally hadicapped people, so I felt so bad when we watched RAW that night. They laughed at it, and said "look it's Greg"(greg being me). But still. I almost felt the need to leave the room.

[Splaya]

I'm not offended because it's politically incorrect.

I'm offended because it's badly written.
I'm offended because they're ripping off a character from one of my least favorite movies of all-time.
I'm offended because Nick Dinsmore just doesn't play a convincing person with a disability.
I'm offended because this is NOT how I wanted to see William Regal come back.


Yes loopy but William Regal is back. Thank God. :yes:

[The CyNick]

The gimmick itself isn't so bad, but why kill off Dinsmore, who has talent for an opening act comedy character that is going to die in 6 months.

In terms of offending people, the WWE should consider that advertisers may see this as distasteful and pull their advertisers. We've seen in the past how this type of thing can snowball, but hey its funny right?

[Kane Knight]

Haha, how are they going to explain later down the road when he changes his "gimmick"? A retard that magically was blessed out of his mental retardation? He'll pull a Chaz, for sure :)
Naw. They'll just pretend it never happened. You know, like Kane.

:)

As for the people crying PC...

This PC backlash shit is going too far. Nowadays, if you dislike ANYTHING, you become PC in the eyes of some stupid fu</>ck.

Political Correctness is used to refer to an idea of societal change.

This guy's saying that this is in bad taste. He's not saying they can't do that, or trying to change society so that it is illegal/whatever.

Get real, seriously. The guy has a a reason to complain, and a right to do so as well. It's that whole free speech concept. The same clause that allows the WWE to make retard characters which rip into mental disabilities is the same one that opens them up for criticism for doing it.

If you're not big enough to handle criticism, you're not big enough to express yourself. It's a two-way street.

[Blue Demon]

I thought it was funny the first little bit....but it'll get tiresome really fast. Now no one will take him seriously if they change his gimmick...poor guy.

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah Kane Knight basically said what I wanted to, but with less "I will knife you" involved

[Wondermouse]

I think he'll be able to pull off a gimmick change. I had to do a double take and see that it was Nick. If he goes cleancut and changes the name after a month or whatever off, he'll be able to do it fine.

[tucsonspeed6]

I Can not believe the balls that sorry sob Bubba Ray Dudley has..this chacter is beyond disgraceful...he thinks he can set up a table when he really can't...I work in the housekeeping department of my school and this is just very disturbing to me...Every night he tries to set up a table, and he always fiddles with the metal thing on the legs when he should know damn well that gravity will pull it into place for him.... I find it VERY sickening....i hope he anbd the guy portraying "Devon" both burn in hell together

*****

First off I am FAR from politically correct I just feel like there is a point where someone goes to far. I was watching it in the home I live in and the tables got a little upset when seeing that...it just felt wrong in my opinion...maybe its because I have spent so much time with setting tables up because after I thought about it last night I realized that two years ago I may not have seen anything wrong with it. Lastley IMO I do not see how anyone who is around it all the time can see much humor in it.

[Lamuella]

I Can not believe the balls that sorry sob Bubba Ray Dudley has..this chacter is beyond disgraceful...he thinks he can set up a table when he really can't...I work in the housekeeping department of my school and this is just very disturbing to me...Every night he tries to set up a table, and he always fiddles with the metal thing on the legs when he should know damn well that gravity will pull it into place for him.... I find it VERY sickening....i hope he anbd the guy portraying "Devon" both burn in hell together

*****

First off I am FAR from politically correct I just feel like there is a point where someone goes to far. I was watching it in the home I live in and the tables got a little upset when seeing that...it just felt wrong in my opinion...maybe its because I have spent so much time with setting tables up because after I thought about it last night I realized that two years ago I may not have seen anything wrong with it. Lastley IMO I do not see how anyone who is around it all the time can see much humor in it.

Because someone setting up a table is morally equivalent to making fun of developmentally disabled people

you suck at life.

[road doggy dogg]

Hey, hey.

EVerybody, check it out. I think this "tucsonspeed6" guy was just making a joke.

Notice the mockery of the original post, but with the Dudley Boyz and their tables in place instead of the mentally handicapped gimmick.

Really, that was quite original and funny. I mean, the way you just totally made fun of that guy's feelings and moral beliefs, oh man that was a riot.


Hey, I hear that there's a poster here named eminem that made fun of a war veteran. You should go talk to him, he seems like a cool guy

[tucsonspeed6]

Never made fun of the guy's feelings or moral beliefs. Only the fact that he made a post about them. Am I supposed to feel bad that I was watching Eugene last night because this guy told me that he thought it was sick? I was making a damn statement that showed what he was up to. I'll take this guy as a troll up until he makes enough posts around here that I honestly believe he's a real wrestling fan. These days, it's so damn easy for high strung people to bitch and moan to the point that everything gets censored. There are websites out there that with a single click will send a pre-written letter to certain television networks and political offices saying that you want them to cancel a show. I'm assuming that this guy wrote a simple statement to see how many people would be interested in going to his website to click on a letter to send to Spike tv. I'm sure there's a few out there to eliminate the majority of its broadcasting: a website to ban Stripperella for feminists, one to ban MXC for asians, and probably a whole assortment of right wing extremists to eliminate Raw. The guy's made 13 posts, and I bet a dozen of them are all about "Eugene" So for your information, I'm not going to feel guilty that I continue to watch Raw because this little troll thinks that the world is going to hell in "Eugene" and Janet Jackson's handbasket.

[road doggy dogg]

Wow.

[Kane Knight]

I Can not believe the balls that sorry sob Bubba Ray Dudley has..this chacter is beyond disgraceful...he thinks he can set up a table when he really can't...I work in the housekeeping department of my school and this is just very disturbing to me...Every night he tries to set up a table, and he always fiddles with the metal thing on the legs when he should know damn well that gravity will pull it into place for him.... I find it VERY sickening....i hope he anbd the guy portraying "Devon" both burn in hell together

*****

First off I am FAR from politically correct I just feel like there is a point where someone goes to far. I was watching it in the home I live in and the tables got a little upset when seeing that...it just felt wrong in my opinion...maybe its because I have spent so much time with setting tables up because after I thought about it last night I realized that two years ago I may not have seen anything wrong with it. Lastley IMO I do not see how anyone who is around it all the time can see much humor in it.
Found out the hard way that comedy's harder than it looks, yeh?

[blake639raw]

Found out the hard way that comedy's harder than it looks, yeh? ZING!

[Kane Knight]

That woulda been funny if the parody was, you know, good.

[tucsonspeed6]

That woulda been funny if the parody was, you know, good.

At least you're not insulted by it. I can stand not being funny, but it takes the cake that people get offended because other people are offended.

[HHHsucks929]

Hopefully this is all leading up to Eugene "snapping out of it" and becoming normal. This is the last thign WWE should have done when we're in the midst of an FCC crackdown.

[tucsonspeed6]

Hopefully this is all leading up to Eugene "snapping out of it" and becoming normal. This is the last thign WWE should have done when we're in the midst of an FCC crackdown.


That's something I was thinking about last night too. How many people thought that Val Venus would still be the porn star after all these years? The way they introduced Eugene as Bischoff's nephew means that he can't snap out of it and say "Ha! I've been fooling you all this whole time!" because that would be his entire life according to Bischoff's character.

Wait...I'm not allowed to be talking about this. I'm supposed to be filled with shame because I wasn't disgusted at the the sight of Eugene. Excuse me while I perform sepoku.

[Lamuella]

NThe guy's made 13 posts, and I bet a dozen of them are all about "Eugene"

you'd lose that bet.


Posts about Eugene:

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=248698#post248698
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=249098#post249098
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=249123#post249123

Posts not about Eugene

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=210718#post210718
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=210760#post210760
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=212126#post212126
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=212133#post212133
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=216734#post216734
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=221082#post221082
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=226870#post226870
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=226883#post226883
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=226899#post226899
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=248746#post248746

By the way, as you joined the forum in the same month as this guy, don't try to lecture us about him not having been here long enough.

Also, you still suck at life.

[Lamuella]

At least you're not insulted by it. I can stand not being funny, but it takes the cake that people get offended because other people are offended.

who's getting offended because of people getting offended?

the people who are offended in this thread are offended because they're playing a character as retarded for comic effect.

[Splaya]

Hopefully this is all leading up to Eugene "snapping out of it" and becoming normal. This is the last thign WWE should have done when we're in the midst of an FCC crackdown.


It's actually funny. The one legged wrestler couldn't get over but a retard will. Once again Vince has proved us all wrong and carried the ball :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

who's getting offended because of people getting offended?

the people who are offended in this thread are offended because they're playing a character as retarded for comic effect.
You forgot the people getting offended because PC is so offensive.

[tucsonspeed6]

who's getting offended because of people getting offended?

the people who are offended in this thread are offended because they're playing a character as retarded for comic effect.

I give up. Sure I didn't think through the post I made to make it funny. Sure I am an ass for not agreeing with everyone. Sure I'm immature because I resort to saying that people suck. I'm not going to go so far as to say that I'm going to enjoy watching Eugene from now on, because I agree with the people who saw past the "shocking" nature of the character that is apparently so disgusting. There are some people who didn't find the segments with Eugene funny because they were awkward and the WWE writers have painted themselves into a corner. I agree with them. I don't agree with everyone who says that I have to be disgusted by it.

Oh yeah, and I suck at life apparently. I got it already.

[Kane Knight]

I give up. Sure I didn't think through the post I made to make it funny.
Or to make a good argument. :)

[PureHatred]

I stand by what I posted earlier:

It's a bad gimmick and does nothing for Dinsmore. And it is sick humor. But the fact remains, it's the god damn WWE, people. Even if you want to ignore the violence invoved in wrestling, on every single episode you could be offended by the women treated as sex objects, the stereotyped characters, the toilet humor, the foul language (even if it is bleeped) , the sexual innuendo, and so on and so forth. It seems patently ridiculous to tune into the WWE and expect there to be any kind or moral compass. You don't tune into Jerry Springer and cry that they "encourage family dysfunction." You don't watch Howard Stern and complain that women are "objectified." The WWE is going to be crass and vulgar. That's part of their identity. If you don't like it, that's your right.

But then stop watching, because it is gong to happen again.

[Lamuella]

seeing past the "shocking" element is hardly tough. Seeing past the "awful dead end gimmick" element is kind of tough.

And it is offensive. Want proof that it's offensive? People got offended by it. Nobody asked YOU to be offended by it, but don't invalidate the feelings of others.

[Kane Knight]

I stand by what I posted earlier:

It's a bad gimmick and does nothing for Dinsmore. And it is sick humor. But the fact remains, it's the god damn WWE, people. Even if you want to ignore the violence invoved in wrestling, on every single episode you could be offended by the women treated as sex objects, the stereotyped characters, the toilet humor, the foul language (even if it is bleeped) , the sexual innuendo, and so on and so forth. It seems patently ridiculous to tune into the WWE and expect there to be any kind or moral compass. You don't tune into Jerry Springer and cry that they "encourage family dysfunction." You don't watch Howard Stern and complain that women are "objectified." The WWE is going to be crass and vulgar. That's part of their identity. If you don't like it, that's your right.

But then stop watching, because it is gong to happen again.
Has anyone complained about how offensive Dance Dance Lance was?

Or Chris Benoit?

Clearly, offense is not a given.

[PureHatred]

I never said it wasn't offensive.

Listen, when I watch a news report or something of a more serious nature, then I have a different set of standards. I expect them to be more cognizant of the feeling and plight of others. Iexect them to take what they are doing and their affect on other seriously.

But wrestling is good, clean , mindless humor. I know better than for the WWE and its writers to live up to any kind of standard whatsoever. I didn't get offended when Triple H mocked Booker T's "nappy hair" and called him to "come out and dance for me, boy." I don't get offended by Eddie Guerrero's character being based on avery Latino stereotype in the book...I'm sure many fans don't even realize that Eddie doesn't talk that way and barely speaks Spanish.

I don't get offended because I understand it's mindless humor and entertainment for the sake of entertainment. It's not meant to be taken seriously. I want to say that these people should just lighten up, but they have a right to be offended if they choose. But I would also suggest changing the channel from now on because the WWE isn't becoming MasterPiece Theatre anytime soon.

[PureHatred]

Offense is not a given, but when you use that much crass humor, someone could be offended by everything on that show. There are people out there who are going to be offended by wrestling, period.

What is the debate, here? That the WWE should be "better than that?" That's all they do. Do we really have to go over the countless tasteless storylines they've done over the years? I just think it's odd that someone who'd be offended by Eugene would watch through dog murder, necrophilia, and the Al Wilson storyline in general. How many times has feces ben used in an angle? But this is where you draw the line? On a character that's been done dozens of time in wrestling...George Steel, Norman The Lunatic...Eugene is not the first "special" wrestler.

It's all toilet humor. And it's not going to get more mature or sensitive all of a sudden.

[tucsonspeed6]

Kane Knight, you're quite the antagonist. I like the cut of your jib, man. Hopefully I won't run across your path again like this by saying something that is so easily torn apart.

PureHatred, at least I understand where you're coming from.

Everyone else, I'm just going to agree to disagree. This is obviously a topic that could go on endlessly until we all have reps that look like Super Slim's

[PureHatred]

That might be the single most mature post I've read since I've been on these boards.

I can live with "we agree to disagree." Much rep. Carry on.

[Kane Knight]

Offense is not a given, but when you use that much crass humor, someone could be offended by everything on that show. There are people out there who are going to be offended by wrestling, period.

What is the debate, here? That the WWE should be "better than that?" That's all they do. Do we really have to go over the countless tasteless storylines they've done over the years? I just think it's odd that someone who'd be offended by Eugene would watch through dog murder, necrophilia, and the Al Wilson storyline in general. How many times has feces ben used in an angle? But this is where you draw the line? On a character that's been done dozens of time in wrestling...George Steel, Norman The Lunatic...Eugene is not the first "special" wrestler.

It's all toilet humor. And it's not going to get more mature or sensitive all of a sudden.
You know, it's not hard to figure out that there are shades of offense.

People were a little bothered by Bu-Bu-Bu-Bubba(if at all). People were a lot bothered by HHH fu</>cking a corpse. Maybe there's a reason? Oh yeah, a stutter's not as horrendous as necrophillia.

Shoving your head in the sand and saying "Toilet humour" doesn't cut it. Not all "vulgarities" are the same. You want proof? Make a dick or fart joke. Then mmake a "How many nig</>gers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" Joke.

Hmmm...both are vulgar, but they will get you different responses. I wonder why...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm not horribly offended by these angles, but they're just frustrating to watch. Mainly because they aren't funny and a 7-year-old could write them.

[KillerWolf]

I'm not offended because it's politically incorrect.

I'm offended because it's badly written.
I'm offended because they're ripping off a character from one of my least favorite movies of all-time.
I'm offended because Nick Dinsmore just doesn't play a convincing person with a disability.
I'm offended because this is NOT how I wanted to see William Regal come back.
I THOUGHT THE MOVIE WAS OK , BUT OTHER THAN THAT I AGREE.I THINK THE WWE'S WRITTERS ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE A DISABILITY.

[Savio]

I thought it was funny the first little bit....but it'll get tiresome really fast. Now no one will take him seriously if they change his gimmick...poor guy.
Maybe they'll have him get hit hard on the head with a chair then he'll start saying E=mc^2

[KillerWolf]

offensive? Maybe not

really dumb and bad for business? Yup

are any fans going to pay to come and see a "mentally challenged" wrestler? No.

Will Nick Dinsmore's worth be exponentially reduced by having played this character? Yes

Will the entire angle revolve around Regal being disgusted by his charge and eventually turning on him? You betcha.

Will this angle put bums on seats? Not a chance in hell.

Will this angle disgust a lot of people? Probably.

This is readymade Wrestlecrap.
:rofl: brilliantly put.

[Savio]

I wouldn't trust you with the mentally challenged after witnessing your grammatical skills
boo :n:

[PureHatred]

There are different shades of vulgarity. But not everyone is going to make the same judgments.

I'm not saying I don't see why this is offensive. But with the WWE, and with shows like Saturday Night Live, Crank Yankers, South Park, Howard Stern, etc...they set out to shock in order to entertain. That's just what they do. And at some point, they are going to push the buttons And everyone has different buttons. So at some point, the WWE is going to do something that pisses off everyone watching based on their own individula criteria. Some segments, like Eugene and Katie Vick and Bossman desecrating Show's father, are going to piss off a greater segment of the viewing audience.

I personally think that the Eugene idea is dumb. It's a dumb angle, it hurts Nick Dinsmore, and its a step back for Raw which has been on the upswing the last few weeks. But in the end, if you watch a show whose purpose it is to shock, then you can't be that surprised when your buttons gets pushed. If the WWE is going to try to be edgey, it's also going to go over the line.

[Kane Knight]

I'm not horribly offended by these angles, but they're just frustrating to watch. Mainly because they aren't funny and a 7-year-old could write them.
indeed.

They're stupid, they're crap, and they're not really all that amusing.

[Kane Knight]

There are different shades of vulgarity. But not everyone is going to make the same judgments.

So then why even argue the point you've been clinging to?

You've basically answered the opposing point of view right in these words alone.

Not everyone is going to make the same judgements, you say? So why do people have a problem with this?

Hmmmm...

[HHHsucks929]

This "angle" with Eugene isn't vulgar. It's just distasteful. I'm not personally offended by it, but I do know that there are going to be plenty of people who are pissed off about it. Mentally disabled people are people you just don't exploit. And Eugene is the FIRST of this kind of character. George Steele was just an animal. If Norman the Lunatic was a mentally disabled person then I guess Mankind circa 1996 was also. Eugene IS a mentally-challenged person who is a take-off of Warren from "There's Something about Mary", and it's a bad acting job and a stupid move by Vince creating this character. Hopefully this will fizzle out quicker than Beaver Cleavage.

I bet this angle crashed Wrestlecrap.com's mailbag.

[The Outlaw]

I Can not believe the balls that sorry sob Bubba Ray Dudley has..this chacter is beyond disgraceful...he thinks he can set up a table when he really can't...I work in the housekeeping department of my school and this is just very disturbing to me...Every night he tries to set up a table, and he always fiddles with the metal thing on the legs when he should know damn well that gravity will pull it into place for him.... I find it VERY sickening....i hope he anbd the guy portraying "Devon" both burn in hell together

*****

First off I am FAR from politically correct I just feel like there is a point where someone goes to far. I was watching it in the home I live in and the tables got a little upset when seeing that...it just felt wrong in my opinion...maybe its because I have spent so much time with setting tables up because after I thought about it last night I realized that two years ago I may not have seen anything wrong with it. Lastley IMO I do not see how anyone who is around it all the time can see much humor in it.

LOL

[Kane Knight]

This "angle" with Eugene isn't vulgar. It's just distasteful. I'm not personally offended by it, but I do know that there are going to be plenty of people who are pissed off about it. Mentally disabled people are people you just don't exploit. And Eugene is the FIRST of this kind of character. George Steele was just an animal. If Norman the Lunatic was a mentally disabled person then I guess Mankind circa 1996 was also. Eugene IS a mentally-challenged person who is a take-off of Warren from "There's Something about Mary", and it's a bad acting job and a stupid move by Vince creating this character. Hopefully this will fizzle out quicker than Beaver Cleavage.

I bet this angle crashed Wrestlecrap.com's mailbag.
Yeah.

I'm not really offended, I'm sure a lot of people will be. I still think it's stupid. You don't need to be directly or indirectly offended by this to think it's a bad idea, in poor taste, and not a good thing for wrestling or the wrestlers involved.

[The Show Off]

I'm not offended because it's politically incorrect.

I'm offended because it's badly written.
I'm offended because they're ripping off a character from one of my least favorite movies of all-time.
I'm offended because Nick Dinsmore just doesn't play a convincing person with a disability.
I'm offended because this is NOT how I wanted to see William Regal come back.

That's not being offended that called being insulted. Thinking a company is insulting your intelligence and being offended are two diffrent things.

[Kane Knight]

I call it more being annoyed.

However, you can still consider it offensive if you want.

[The Show Off]

All of you are way too sensitive. Too bad they don't make condoms that cover your egos and emotions, cause most of you would need it.

[Kane Knight]

Uhhhh...yeah...:|

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Look I don't really see the whole big deal about this "Eugene" Guy. I wasn't offended at all not in the very least And let me tell you that I have a mental handicap myself and the way i see it if I am not worked up about it and even found it funny I don't know what some people are making a big deal about. It's just a controversial storyline that's it. I would actually like to see where this is headed.

[Kane Knight]

I don't find it offensive, therefore I don't see why other people should care at all...

[Kane Knight]

And how big an Orton fan can you possibly be if you can't spell his name right?

[The Show Off]

And how big an Orton fan can you possibly be if you can't spell his name right?

I find that offensive Kane Knight the guy just mentioned he's mentally handicapped, don't make fun of retarded people. Unless of course it's the President, that acceptable.

[Kane Knight]

I don't see why it's so offensive, therefore I'll call you a pussy and tell you to stfu.

[Kane Knight]

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[The Show Off]

sarcasam

[Hardkore Kidd J]

I don't see why it's so offensive, therefore I'll call you a pussy and tell you to stfu.

I wasn't offended at all. He was just correcting a Grammeritical [sp?] error. Now if he said something like "You stupid ****ing moron how could you not spell orton you ****ing retard." Then I may have been offended. What does STFU mean btw? I don't know much Computer lingo.

[Disturbed316]

http://raw.wwe.com/superstars/regal_w/images/09.jpg

OOOOOH YEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!

[Disturbed316]

I'm telling you, its Randy Savage making a return to wrestling.

[Hired Hitman]

I agree that people should not be so easily offended. But you can't just take away their opinion and with that being said, I feel that if you find something offensive, then simply change the channel or exit from the show, you'd be saving yourself and everyone else from a pointless argument about whose Opinion is the better.

[TheJShow]

I personally didn't find it offensive, just in poor taste.

[Fox]

I didn't think it was offensive, I just thought that it was stupid.

If I wanted to laugh at retards I'd be sitting in the stands at the Special Olympics with a paintball gun.

Hopefully this will lead to an angle where Eugene takes a nasty headshot and comes back from the hospital quoting Shakespeare and solving difficult math problems.

[Champion of Europa]

Anything that gets Nick Dinsmore on my TV twice a week has my love.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Anything that gets Nick Dinsmore on my TV twice a week has my love.

You sure you want him playing a retard.

[Gerard]

If I wanted to laugh at retards I'd be sitting in the stands at the Special Olympics with a paintball gun.




:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Champion of Europa]

You sure you want him playing a retard.

It's funny, so I don't mind.

Odds are, when he gets into the ring he's gonna act all stupid then be like some wrestling prodigy and Regal tries to get him to act like that all the time and such.

[the_rock's_#1_fan]

I'm offended because this is NOT how I wanted to see William Regal come back.
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That's about the only thing I can think of to say about this topic, because, quite frankly it's how I feel...I hope Regal doesn't spend too much of this next few months "managing" some mental-case like Eugene, and that he can get back to being a wrestler...there was nothing funnier than seeing him beat the crap out of people with a pair o' brass knucks :D :lol: :rofl: :yes: :y: :y: :y:

[thuganomicalcrippler]

I work with mentally hadicapped people, so I felt so bad when we watched RAW that night. They laughed at it, and said "look it's Greg"(greg being me). But still. I almost felt the need to leave the room.

You felt bad? Hm.. remember calling me a retard when you bad repped me?

[Gone Mad]

A great wrestler, bad angle, and no one deserves this character, badly written as it is which would have worked if it were more respectful off the bat because this is obviously a controversial topic and has been since it was rumored online for a while now... Then again, this is WWE, where bad gimmicks live. This is most likely screw Dinsmore unless something is done quickly. One last thing and I won't comment on this again, if this storyline bothers you, stop watching. I know I would.

[tucsonspeed6]

It's funny, so I don't mind.

Odds are, when he gets into the ring he's gonna act all stupid then be like some wrestling prodigy and Regal tries to get him to act like that all the time and such.


Reminds you of Tajiri's WWE debut, no? Regal brings his little friend to the ring thinking that the poor little guy's gonna get creamed, and next thing you know, he's dominating the match.

[Jason_Hawk]

*sniff* i smell a lawsuit, its funny and all but damn, perhaps they have gone too far

[Fox]

You felt bad? Hm.. remember calling me a retard when you bad repped me?

Yeah, but he didn't go on a wrestling show and play one.

Your point is invalid, friend. Try again?

[thuganomicalcrippler]

Yeah, but he didn't go on a wrestling show and play one.

Your point is invalid, friend. Try again?

You fail to understand me, sir. I mean to say that if he cares so much about the mentally challenged, he would be sensitive to the usage of the word "retard" and hence wouldn't describe me so, which is precisely what he did when he bad repped me a month or two ago.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>EUGENE FOR WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION</font>

[Kane Knight]

You fail to understand me, sir. I mean to say that if he cares so much about the mentally challenged, he would be sensitive to the usage of the word "retard" and hence wouldn't describe me so, which is precisely what he did when he bad repped me a month or two ago.
yeah, because using a term like retard, which is now outdated by the medical community, as an insult, is the same as pissing all over the legitimately mentally challenged...

[VonErich Lives]

Read something on pwtorch.com and someone had a good point.

How is it OK for South Park to have "Timmy" purely for humorus purposes but not the wwe...

Wrestling is fake, someone shoudl tell cnn it's not a read dead man wrestling either.

saw another funny idea... Orton goes for heel heat to beat Eugene, Eugene wins the belt, then tells everyone it was all a ploy to fake out Orton. Like the Usual suspects.

[Rock Bottom]

I Can not believe the balls that sorry sob Bubba Ray Dudley has..this chacter is beyond disgraceful...he thinks he can set up a table when he really can't...I work in the housekeeping department of my school and this is just very disturbing to me...Every night he tries to set up a table, and he always fiddles with the metal thing on the legs when he should know damn well that gravity will pull it into place for him.... I find it VERY sickening....i hope he anbd the guy portraying "Devon" both burn in hell togethere someone goes to far. I was watching it in the home I live in and the tables got a little upset when seeing that...it just felt wrong in my opinion...maybe

*****

First off I am FAR from politically correct I just feel like there is a point wherits because I have spent so much time with setting tables up because after I thought about it last night I realized that two years ago I may not have seen anything wrong with it. Lastley IMO I do not see how anyone who is around it all the time can see much humor in it.

u ript off my franchise parody post. u must die.

[Corkscrewed]

Because someone setting up a table is morally equivalent to making fun of developmentally disabled people

you suck at life.

Wow, you okay, Lammy, cuz you totally missed his sarcasm. :p


So was he like rainman then?
That would have been about 1000 times funnier, because it's become such a comedic stereotype (at least on Who's Line...)

Heck, Dinsmore could have started shooting a little.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

It's funny, so I don't mind.

Odds are, when he gets into the ring he's gonna act all stupid then be like some wrestling prodigy and Regal tries to get him to act like that all the time and such.

I would love to see that. I was just thinking, Dinsmore's old nickname of Mr. Wrestling would be good here. I can see Regal trying to tell Eugene to think of an inventive alias to inspire fear into the heart of foes, like "Stone Cold" and "The Undertaker". Then Eugene just goes "Mr. Wrestling!". I personally can see Regal getting attatched to Dinsmore and turning fully babyface, even defending him when Eric doesn't. :y:

Then they could have Regal start to try and make him turn heel, before Dinsmore goes off on his own. But that's a long way off from now.

I personally was thinking that they'd pull a "Eric paid Eugene to act special in and out of matches just for the chance to appear on RAW". Then Disnmore might go over to SmackDown! where he would probably be more suited.

[Corkscrewed]

http://www.foxsports.com/netapp/power/

12 April 2004
The following comes straight out of hte WWE concerning the direction of Eugene. Credit goes to PW Insider and Brad Jackson, who sent an e-mail to WWE to find out about Nick Dinsmore's character, Eugene. WWE responded with the following: We have introduced a new character on WWE Monday Night RAW, Eugene Dinsmore. Eugene is a person with a mental disability. His dream is to become a professional wrestler.

WWE intends to portray the character of Eugene as a hero, as are the many people with disabilities around the world (many of whom are WWE fans) who must face challenges to live the type of life many of us take for granted. Eugene, despite his disability, will get a chance to achieve his dream of becoming a professional wrestler. We hope that Eugene's story will encourage other people with disabilities to strive to achieve their dreams, whatever they may be. Story background: In the recent edition of Monday Night RAW, viewers learned that Eric Bischoff, an underhannded schemer, has a nephew named Eugene. At the behest of Bischoff's sister, he has let his nephew Eugene join RAW to pursue his dream of becoming a professional wrestler. Bischoff tricks the despicable William Regal, a slimy, upper crust Englishman, to manage Eugene. Upon meeting Eugene and seeing he has a mental disability, Regal immediately complains about his task, similar to how many people who are uncaring and ignorant initially react to the mentally handicapped. However, Eugene will persevere and he ultimately will get his change to perform in the ring.

Didn't they do that sort of thing with Zach Gowen... overcoming the odds.

[Kane Knight]

Well, they're gonna try and spin it positively...

I dunno. A handicapped person beating the odds makes for a cool and uplifting, if clichéd, story. A handicapped person getting screwed, and only bailed out bya couple of bigger stornger guys, only to finally secure his spot so he can be pushed around by Matt Hardy in Midcard Hell?

Different story.

I missed Raw tonight, so I don't know if/how it progressed.

My overall impression thus far is that this is about as much akin to the upliftign overcoming of the odds as Schindler's List is to a delightful comedic romp through the San Fernando Valley...

[Heyman]

The very fact that so many people are talking about Eugene and his gimmick, is a testament to the SUCCESSS of his gimmick. :y:

[darkpower]

Well, tonight was one of the nights that I thought they did better with Eugine. The thing with him calling Trish a slut was VERY good, and he did that thing where one angle crosses another (someone from one angle contributes to another angle for one segment).

Also, I think maybe they could be setting up a thing with La Resistance, because the other Eugine segment did with them. Basically, Eugine was having fun with the Quebec flag, and when Regal tried to apologize, Grenier and Conway weren't happy to either Regal or Eugine. Later, in the match, Eugine came out with a stuffed bunny (Easter thing), and they got upset, with Grenier tearing up the bunny, but, in turn, getting distracted long enough to cost him the match vs. Hurricane. Eugine wasn't happy that the bunny got torn up and was crying, but so was La Resistance for losing the match. That would be VERY interesting to see Regal become face from this angle and having HIM get back into the ring, and ANYTHING that gets La Resistance some more ring time is good for me.

[Vastardikai]

Who knows, if this whole Eugene thing doesn't work out, maybe they can change Mr. Dinsmore's name to the Red Rooster... :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

The very fact that so many people are talking about Eugene and his gimmick, is a testament to the SUCCESSS of his gimmick. :y:
Well, since the measure of success of a gimmick comes from money, if all this talk doesn't boost ratings or create any revenue...

[thuganomicalcrippler]

Hopefully this will lead to an angle where Eugene takes a nasty headshot and comes back from the hospital quoting Shakespeare and solving difficult math problems.

:y:

[RGWhat316]

Well, tonight was one of the nights that I thought they did better with Eugine. The thing with him calling Trish a slut was VERY good, and he did that thing where one angle crosses another (someone from one angle contributes to another angle for one segment).

Also, I think maybe they could be setting up a thing with La Resistance, because the other Eugine segment did with them. Basically, Eugine was having fun with the Quebec flag, and when Regal tried to apologize, Grenier and Conway weren't happy to either Regal or Eugine. Later, in the match, Eugine came out with a stuffed bunny (Easter thing), and they got upset, with Grenier tearing up the bunny, but, in turn, getting distracted long enough to cost him the match vs. Hurricane. Eugine wasn't happy that the bunny got torn up and was crying, but so was La Resistance for losing the match. That would be VERY interesting to see Regal become face from this angle and having HIM get back into the ring, and ANYTHING that gets La Resistance some more ring time is good for me.

I enjoyed Eugene on RAW myself this week. The deal with Trish and the Easter Bunny were great. Plus Eugene was getting pops from the Chicago crowd, so I think its interesting.

[Heyman]

Well, since the measure of success of a gimmick comes from money, if all this talk doesn't boost ratings or create any revenue...

I think the gimmick shows a lot of potential....and has shown great initial signs of success. If the WWE chooses to push Eugene, I wouldn't be surprised (at this point) if Eugene makes money for the company .

[darkpower]

Actually, I think Eugine worked BETTER this week than last, because he actually was able to even push a few buttons in the angles himself, and again, I would LOVE to see Regal turn face from this and feud with La Resistance, as all four of them would, I think, put on a good show.

Because, look at it this way, you have a mentally challenged ass kicker (that could be used as a dangerous weapon if you make any mentally unstable person angry), Regal, who we've been wanting to come back for the LONGEST time, and La Resistance would actually have something to DO besides getting buried in this "Frence sympathizing" crap that they use to kill them even more (nothing against the French. This is coming from a person who'll vote for John Kerry this November for similar reasons, but that's beside the point). I think this will be GOOD TIMES if these four are allowed to work with each other.

[Wondermouse]

Perhaps WWE could make a political statement by having Eugene join La Resistance.

I'd do it just to see the Lords of the Ring.

[Kane Knight]

:wtf: