EUGENE...

[Eternalone79]

I Can not believe the balls that sorry sob Vince has..this chacter is beyond disgraceful...I work in the mental health feild and this is just very disturbing to me...i hope he anbd the guy portraying "Eugene" both burn in hell together

[Corkscrewed]

Because Nick Dinsmore has a choice even if he didn't want to do it right?

[spd10000]

Originally Posted by Corkscrewed Because Nick Dinsmore has a choice even if he didn't want to do it right?

Of course he does. If he doesn't want to do it, he should leave.

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by Eternalone79 I Can not believe the balls that sorry sob Vince has..this chacter is beyond disgraceful...I work in the mental health feild and this is just very disturbing to me...i hope he anbd the guy portraying "Eugene" both burn in hell together

Your a politiclally correct tool. It's because of jackasses like you that cencorship is spreading like wild fire on television and radio. It's just something that is done to be humorous, be it a poor attempt. It's just so annoying when people get all pissy when something gets parodied. If you get offended so easily your going to spend most of your life pissed off. I don't care what people do I'm not offended. This isn't so bad, hell even nechrophilia wasn't offensive to me.

Grow up, and get over yourself. My sister suffers from down syndrom and I don't find this offensive to me.

[Wondermouse]

Originally Posted by The Show Off Your a politiclally correct tool. It's because of jackasses like you that cencorship is spreading like wild fire on television and radio. It's just something that is done to be humorous, be it a poor attempt. It's just so annoying when people get all pissy when something gets parodied. If you get offended so easily your going to spend most of your life pissed off. I don't care what people do I'm not offended. This isn't so bad, hell even nechrophilia wasn't offensive to me. Grow up, and get over yourself. My sister suffers from down syndrom and I don't find this offensive to me.

You're a gramatically incorrect tool, but that's neither here nor there.

Look, he's not the reason Trish can't say screw without it being censored. He's someone who's got a reasonable objection to a gimmick of questionable taste. Calling someone who gets offended a child is, ironically, fairly childish.

[CBright7831]

Hell, for the money WWE pays, I would fucking do it in a heart beat.

[El Santo]

We've had a necrophilia angle, then the whole Al Wilson to do.

Sigh.

I was wondering how long it would be before the WWE debuted the next tasteless angle. Also, while I'm no fan of political correctness, I also do think the WWE goes too far sometimes. And frankly, Raw was on a good roll lately without having the whole "Eugene" thing.

[PureHatred]

Attn: Eternalone

I hate the Eugene angle right now, because I just can't see it being any good for Dinsmore. If he is "special" outside the ring and awesome inside the ring it could work. And of course, down the road when the inevitable "Eugene fights against William Regal's mistreatment" storyline takes place, the crowd will be strongly behing Eugene. But then what? Anyone seen Norman the Lunatic lately?

As for the political correctness/sensitivity thing: listen, it's wrestling. If you are looking for sensible, enlightened, soft-hearted, rainbows and Care Bears comedy, you won't find it here. It's supposed to be sophomoric and juvenile.

If a high ranking government official made fun of the mentally challenged, I'd be offended.

If a news reporter on CNN made fun of the mentally challenged, I'd be offended.

But when a show that repeatedly uses toilet humor, jokes about genitalia, T&A, racial stereotypes, slapstick, and..what's the last one, that's right...blatant nonstop violence makes fun of the mentally challenged..it's just part of the show. Get over yourself. If you don' like it, watch The View.

[KayfabeMan]

I didn't see it,but I heard a little about it. What's the whole story/deal?

[PureHatred]

Regal shows up. Bischoff knows that he wants a job , so he tells Regal he can return to Raw, but only if he manages EB's "nephew," Eugene Dinsmore. he builds Eugen up, saying he's young and 6'2' 280..so Regal figures its ok.

He goes to find Eugene and it is of course a big guy, wearing a jacket inside out with apaper pinned to him that says "HELLO MY NAME IS EUGENE." Eugene is "special." Regal takes him to go talk to EB.

Next segment, Regal is bitching about the situation to Eric, Eugene slips off to the announce booth, and starts doing a bit with JR & The King. Lawler calls him whacked...Eugene says, "DERRRR, whacked, whacked....BUSHWHACKERS!!!" Then does a aquick Luke impression before licking Lawler's face. Regal comes out , grabs him, and they got to the back.

We laughed, we cried, we handed Nick Dinsmore the role of "rasslin' retard" and apparently bumped Eternalone's poor widdle head.

[Dave Youell]

So was he like rainman then?

I kind like the idea of him being awsome in the ring and weird outside of it. As long as they dont go too far, but this is the WWE so of course they'll go too far

[Disturbed316]

He looked like a 1980's Randy Savage

[Mikey]

I think it is stupid because I think it is a waste of good talent. Nick Dinsmore is one of the best prospects in OVW and this is what they do to him

[blake639raw]

Originally Posted by Mikey I think it is stupid because I think it is a waste of good talent. Nick Dinsmore is one of the best prospects in OVW and this is what they do to him

Which is exactly why I think this is stupid. I'm more offended that they are wasting what is supposed to be a great talent in such a directionless angle. Even though, I gotta admit, the Bushwhacker reference was funny as hell.

[Eternalone79]

First off I am FAR from politically correct I just feel like there is a point where someone goes to far. I was watching it in the home I work in and the clinents got a little upset when seeing that...it just felt wrong in my opinion...maybe its because I have spent so much time with mentally challenged people because after I thought about it last night I realized that two years ago I may not have seen anything wrong with it. Lastley IMO I do not see how anyone who is around it all the time can see much humor in it.

[Shaggy]

Alright, Eugene is pretty funny on the tv and I see why they are doing it. Yes it is bad for the mentally challenged but its still pretty funny. But with what they are dealing with I think that Eugene will soon be reported back in the "What do you think Vince wants to fans to forget thread". This character just wont last long.

[VonErich Lives]

Of course, w/ everything else the WWE/WWF has ever done, this one goes too far...

How does this differ from George Steele or other "mentally slow" charecters...

Would it be better if they gave a job to someone who really was mentally handicapped? I mean, no descrimination right?

[Eternalone79]

I just get the feeling they are taking it farther then a little slow...MAYBE I AM oversensetive but hey thats who I am...

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

I wouldn't trust you with the mentally challenged after witnessing your grammatical skills

[Savio]

Originally Posted by Paranoid Rattlesnake I wouldn't trust you with the mentally challenged after witnessing your grammatical skills

boo

[BigDaddyCool]

you all bitch that is a horrible angle, just look at it this way, in a few months it will be over, and a piece will be written on it on Wrestlecrap.com.

[Champion of Europa]

Anything that gets Nick Dinsmore on my TV twice a week has my love.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by Champion of Europa Anything that gets Nick Dinsmore on my TV twice a week has my love.

You sure you want him playing a retard.

[Champion of Europa]

Originally Posted by Crash Bang Newstead You sure you want him playing a retard.

It's funny, so I don't mind.

Odds are, when he gets into the ring he's gonna act all stupid then be like some wrestling prodigy and Regal tries to get him to act like that all the time and such.

[tucsonspeed6]

Originally Posted by Champion of Europa It's funny, so I don't mind. Odds are, when he gets into the ring he's gonna act all stupid then be like some wrestling prodigy and Regal tries to get him to act like that all the time and such.

Reminds you of Tajiri's WWE debut, no? Regal brings his little friend to the ring thinking that the poor little guy's gonna get creamed, and next thing you know, he's dominating the match.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Champion of Europa It's funny, so I don't mind. Odds are, when he gets into the ring he's gonna act all stupid then be like some wrestling prodigy and Regal tries to get him to act like that all the time and such.

I would love to see that. I was just thinking, Dinsmore's old nickname of Mr. Wrestling would be good here. I can see Regal trying to tell Eugene to think of an inventive alias to inspire fear into the heart of foes, like "Stone Cold" and "The Undertaker". Then Eugene just goes "Mr. Wrestling!". I personally can see Regal getting attatched to Dinsmore and turning fully babyface, even defending him when Eric doesn't.

Then they could have Regal start to try and make him turn heel, before Dinsmore goes off on his own. But that's a long way off from now.

I personally was thinking that they'd pull a "Eric paid Eugene to act special in and out of matches just for the chance to appear on RAW". Then Disnmore might go over to SmackDown! where he would probably be more suited.

[Deceit]

Haha, how are they going to explain later down the road when he changes his "gimmick"? A retard that magically was blessed out of his mental retardation? He'll pull a Chaz, for sure

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by deceit03 Haha, how are they going to explain later down the road when he changes his "gimmick"? A retard that magically was blessed out of his mental retardation? He'll pull a Chaz, for sure

Simple solution... Paul Heyman is banging EB's sister, and this is his plan to get back at EB. After Eugene is built up, he'll turn, beat the hell out of EB, sue for mistreatment, and then be managed by Paul Heyman.... Hell, what am I saying, this gimmick has no chance of salvation.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by deceit03 Haha, how are they going to explain later down the road when he changes his "gimmick"? A retard that magically was blessed out of his mental retardation? He'll pull a Chaz, for sure

Naw. They'll just pretend it never happened. You know, like Kane.



As for the people crying PC...

This PC backlash shit is going too far. Nowadays, if you dislike ANYTHING, you become PC in the eyes of some stupid fuck.

Political Correctness is used to refer to an idea of societal change.

This guy's saying that this is in bad taste. He's not saying they can't do that, or trying to change society so that it is illegal/whatever.

Get real, seriously. The guy has a a reason to complain, and a right to do so as well. It's that whole free speech concept. The same clause that allows the WWE to make retard characters which rip into mental disabilities is the same one that opens them up for criticism for doing it.

If you're not big enough to handle criticism, you're not big enough to express yourself. It's a two-way street.

[TheJShow]

Dogg: Dinsmore is anything but funny


TSN.ca Staff



4/6/2004

As a wrestling fan, I have had more than my share of raised eyebrows thrown at me when World Wrestling Entertainment decides to push the envelope. A lot of my friends, co-workers and colleagues watch RAW with me from time to time and wonder aloud why I watch 'this crap.'



It's fun entertainment, I would tell them. It's more than just two men or women in tights. It's about trying to tell a story and making it sell like any other television program.



But there are times when WWE puts out something so offensive, I have a very hard time explaining it to myself, let alone curious mainstream viewers. Mae Young giving birth to a hand, getting put through a table and taking her top off at a pay-per-view was certainly difficult to swallow, as well as that horrendous Katie Vick angle between Triple H and Kane we saw two years ago.



But on Monday, World Wrestling Entertainment hit an all-time creative low that I couldn't even explain to my shocked and sickened wife. As we all saw, William Regal was back on RAW (which was actually nice to see) and wanted to get back to work. RAW GM Eric Bischoff promised he would put him back on the roster if he would do him one favour - manage his nephew, Eugene Dinsmore.



Great, I thought! This was the chance to check out this new Nick Dinsmore character that Brian Garside was raving about! But in my 20 years of watching wrestling I have seen some pretty eye-opening, jaw-dropping stuff, I was not prepared to see what was coming up next.



The character of Eugene Dinsmore was developmentally challenged.



The segment on TV which saw Dinsmore do the Bushwacker dance and lick Jerry Lawler was so tasteless and unfunny I couldn't even bear to look at the television screen.



Forget that stupid sugar-coated garbage Bischoff said about his nephew being 'special.' We are not that stupid. To my utter shock and disgust, some writer in the back actually thought it would be funny to promote a developmentally challenged wrestler. Isn't it ironic that this is coming from a company that once expressed anger and outrage when Vince Russo introduced WCW's Oklahoma - a Jim Ross-inspired character who twisted his mouth mocking Ross's real life battle with Bell's Palsy?



As wrestling fans, we pay good money to go to live events and interact with the stars. In return, the stars give us every opportunity to cheer or boo them. The heroes we like tend to come out, give fans high-fives and go for cheap pops by mentioning the city they are in. The heels will look for anything to get a negative buzz. They'll knock on how ugly the men and women are in the audience or call us fat, lazy, cowards. Thats fine by us. We usually respond appropriately.



But what we saw on Monday night was something different. Dinsmore's character was an unfair carricature that made a complete mockery of people in this world who are trying hard every day to live their lives. They have substantial limitations in self-care, receptive and expressive language, learning, mobility, self-direction, capacity for independent living and economic self-sufficiency. I do not envy the obstacles that developmentally challenged people have to go through and have nothing but respect for the fact that they are trying so hard to live their lives just like everyone else should.



What we saw on Monday night wasn't entertainment or comedy. It was an unprovoked attack by WWE on people who, more often than not, do not have a voice to stand up for themselves.



What makes this even more heart-breaking is the fact that the very group of people that Dinsmore's character was belittling make up a very important part of WWE's fan base.



When I'm out with Garside or Double A doing an interview with a WWE Superstar, it's usually at an autograph signing or special appearance. And there's nothing that makes me happier on these trips than seeing these fans get to meet their favourite stars. These aren't the fans who sit back like wise-cracking, ego-driven smart marks with the latest creative suggestions (myself included) for WWE. These are fans that really love and appreciate everything they see. They don't judge wrestlers on trivial things like mic abilities or work rate. They truly idolize these men and women as their heroes.



And the Dinsmore gimmick was a total slap in their faces.



Now I'm sure there are some of you out there who thought Eugene Dinsmore was hilarious and that I'm taking this way too seriously with some holier-than-thou approach. That's fine, because as a WWE fan, you are entitled to like or dislike whatever you see.



But if that's the case, let me make just one simple request - take a really good look at the other side of the story.



The next time you go to a WWE event - whether it be a live show or a meet-and-greet - take a quick peek to see if these wonderful fans are in attendance. Look at the sheer joy in their faces when they get to see their real-live superheroes in action. Better yet, click on to our Special Olympics page here at TSN.ca and see just a few of the many great and awe-inspiring things that people with mental disabilities are truly capable of.



So how funny is Eugene Dinsmore now? Not funny enough for me to keep watching him.



For TSN.ca/wrestling, I'm Kelvin Chow.

[Xero]

I could see this leading up to a "Mastermind" plot... Having possibly Eugene turn on Regal and have the feud... Maybe have him "arrested" for beating a meantally challanged person? I dunno, I just see "mastermind" written all over this...

As far as the humor-factor goes, I chuckled, sure... Its not right, but the entertainment factor is there, because, lets face it, some wrestling fans are kinda immature.... Or its just that Vince is immature, I dunno...

[What Would Kevin Do?]

You know, in a sense, this can show the trials of the mentally challenged. If Eugene does well in the ring, he's overcoming his disability and doing something grand. In a sense, it is like participating in the special olympics. Eugene can be used to show that the mentally challenged are people with goals, ambitions, and desires as well.....

Or he can be used for slapstick....

I'm betting on the latter.

[Mister Sinister]

Either Way, one way or another, we'll hear nothing but bitching about this angle for months to come, wheither it be, that they are having a mentally challenged wrestler, which could be seen as poking fun, Or people will complain, if Denmore, begins to go on a winning Streak, beating other talents, which in turn will have people complain about realism....

In Turn, I'm never reading another topic with the word Engene in it....I say, atleast give the gimmick, three weeks before you begin passing judgement

[loopydate]

I'm not offended because it's politically incorrect.

I'm offended because it's badly written.
I'm offended because they're ripping off a character from one of my least favorite movies of all-time.
I'm offended because Nick Dinsmore just doesn't play a convincing person with a disability.
I'm offended because this is NOT how I wanted to see William Regal come back.

[Splaya]

Originally Posted by loopydate I'm not offended because it's politically incorrect. I'm offended because it's badly written. I'm offended because they're ripping off a character from one of my least favorite movies of all-time. I'm offended because Nick Dinsmore just doesn't play a convincing person with a disability. I'm offended because this is NOT how I wanted to see William Regal come back.

Yes loopy but William Regal is back. Thank God.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by loopydate I'm not offended because it's politically incorrect. I'm offended because it's badly written. I'm offended because they're ripping off a character from one of my least favorite movies of all-time. I'm offended because Nick Dinsmore just doesn't play a convincing person with a disability. I'm offended because this is NOT how I wanted to see William Regal come back.

I THOUGHT THE MOVIE WAS OK , BUT OTHER THAN THAT I AGREE.I THINK THE WWE'S WRITTERS ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE A DISABILITY.

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by loopydate I'm not offended because it's politically incorrect. I'm offended because it's badly written. I'm offended because they're ripping off a character from one of my least favorite movies of all-time. I'm offended because Nick Dinsmore just doesn't play a convincing person with a disability. I'm offended because this is NOT how I wanted to see William Regal come back.

That's not being offended that called being insulted. Thinking a company is insulting your intelligence and being offended are two diffrent things.

[Lamuella]

offensive? Maybe not

really dumb and bad for business? Yup

are any fans going to pay to come and see a "mentally challenged" wrestler? No.

Will Nick Dinsmore's worth be exponentially reduced by having played this character? Yes

Will the entire angle revolve around Regal being disgusted by his charge and eventually turning on him? You betcha.

Will this angle put bums on seats? Not a chance in hell.

Will this angle disgust a lot of people? Probably.

This is readymade Wrestlecrap.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by Lamuella offensive? Maybe not really dumb and bad for business? Yup are any fans going to pay to come and see a "mentally challenged" wrestler? No. Will Nick Dinsmore's worth be exponentially reduced by having played this character? Yes Will the entire angle revolve around Regal being disgusted by his charge and eventually turning on him? You betcha. Will this angle put bums on seats? Not a chance in hell. Will this angle disgust a lot of people? Probably. This is readymade Wrestlecrap.

brilliantly put.

I work with mentally hadicapped people, so I felt so bad when we watched RAW that night. They laughed at it, and said "look it's Greg"(greg being me). But still. I almost felt the need to leave the room.