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Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 08:55 PM

2D sprites or 3D models? 2D or 3D gameplay? Super moves? Super meters? Combo-centric or tit-for-tat? Guard meters? Just defend? Parries? Weapon based or hand-to-hand?

I know there's more... Sound off!

Sixx

10-10-2009, 09:11 PM

Street Fighter power-ups.

Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 09:14 PM

No such thing, friend.

Sixx

10-10-2009, 09:15 PM

Damn. I don't know then, never was a fan of fighting games unless we're talking wrestling.

Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 09:17 PM

Damn. I don't know then, never was a fan of fighting games unless we're talking wrestling.

Now we're getting somewhere.

How come you never enjoyed fighting games? What would you say is top of the list when thinking about what turns you off most?

What of pro-wrestling games attract you gameplay wise?

Sixx

10-10-2009, 09:22 PM

I'm not sure why, but the only fighting games I used to enjoy were SFII and Mortal Kombat 1-3. And would probably put those on the top of my list. I never liked that Soul Blade series, Virtua Fighter and all. So I guess I prefer the 2D fighting games.

And about wrestling I consider the N64 wrestling games to be the best (Revenge and WM2K, only played No Mercy using an emulator cause it wasn't released in Poland. Smackdown vs Raw 2008 for XBOX360 was pretty cool too, but I only played for like 30 minutes or so and haven't checked out the other parts.

Oh btw, do walking fighting games count? Cause I used to love Cadillacs and Dinosaurs and Punisher.

Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 09:26 PM

Have you played Street Fighter 4? It's very traditional 2D gameplay with a real sense of momentum (if you dig that as far as wrestling games go).

What would you like to see in a modern 2D fighter that would get you playing it?

Sixx

10-10-2009, 09:30 PM

I don't play games anymore, as my PC is shit. But if they can manage to have this old 2D fighting games feel, I'd surely give it a try at a friend's place or something. And nope, can't say that I tried SFIV, is it any good? I might check it out on youtube.

Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 09:31 PM

Check it out, it's awesome. Returns to the oldschool play style with a fresh presentation.

Sixx

10-10-2009, 09:35 PM

Fuck, it does look awesome. I think my friend wanted to buy it for his X360 so I might pay him a visit soon.

Sixx

10-10-2009, 09:39 PM

Haha, the main boss is called Seth.

Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 09:39 PM

You won't be disappointed. Welcome back to gaming.

Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 09:40 PM

Haha, the main boss is called Seth.

Named after a famous tourny player.

Sixx

10-10-2009, 09:41 PM

Too bad I'm horrible with the X360 controllers and will probably get my ass whoopped.

Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 09:46 PM

With that attitude it's a given.

Sixx

10-10-2009, 09:53 PM

I remember playing Dragon Ball at a party and just pressing random buttons and beating everyone, along with the console owner. Girl style!

Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 09:57 PM

Everyone at that party pretty much sucked. Nothing like streaking, though.

Sixx

10-10-2009, 09:59 PM

Well they obviusly did, but they also played this game not once before. I just happenned to get mad lucky, and my laughing and not really caring probably deconcentrated them as well.

Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 10:02 PM

Well they obviusly did, but they also played this game not once before. I just happenned to get mad lucky, and my laughing and not really caring probably deconcentrated them as well.

Getting beat by a casual can be irritating. Sounds like you were all casual, though.

...Did they enjoy the game?

Sixx

10-10-2009, 10:05 PM

Getting beat by a casual can be irritating. Sounds like you were all casual, though.

...Did they enjoy the game?

Hah, we sort of made it a tournament. And after I beat the console owner in the final he packed his shit and left, without even finishing his beer. I don't think that's how a casual acts.

Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 10:12 PM

Hah, we sort of made it a tournament. And after I beat the console owner in the final he packed his shit and left, without even finishing his beer. I don't think that's how a casual acts.

Wow. He needs to relax. And practice.

Sixx

10-10-2009, 10:26 PM

I just realized Piccolo is called Hearty Satan in the Polish version of DB.

Kalyx triaD

10-10-2009, 10:29 PM

Wait til you see what Hercule's Jap name is.

Khuntry

10-11-2009, 02:42 AM

Kalyx triaD

10-11-2009, 02:59 AM

BITCH

ULTRA BEATDOWN

Um... Excuse me... Sudden hype, I'm sorry...

But yeah, that's the sort of thing that scares new comers.

Khuntry

10-12-2009, 12:20 PM

Khuntry

10-12-2009, 12:23 PM

That bound system in Tekken 6 is nasty.

Fignuts

10-12-2009, 02:01 PM

Wilford Brimley

The Mask

10-12-2009, 02:27 PM

my favourite games have been ones like no mercy and the new UFC one if anything i guess. used to love SF2 but these had more play. no mercy was the most fun by far though. i think it's the way you can vary the rules of the fight so much that keeps it appealling.

DaveBrawl

10-12-2009, 03:48 PM

I agree the hand to hand fighting style of the UFC game as opposed to the SF and MK style games just felt more realistic instead of some dude standing across the screen from you throwing fireballs or spears. I wouldn't have a problem with the occasional metaphysical superpower, but to me a game that features use of many differing actual fighting styles and in close hand to hand combat would be what I want as opposed to uppercuts and legsweep cheese.

Basically what I'd want would be to throw a bunch of differing fighting styles into a game as opposed to the 3 in UFC and do away with a majority of the ground game (leave a bit of punching or kicking your opponent while they're down, not enough to spam but enough to punish a person for getting knocked down) and then if you want throw in a meter that you can build up where at the opportune time you can launch your fireball/spear/whatever.

DaveBrawl

10-12-2009, 03:50 PM

Basically make a game like the movie Bloodsport. :lol:

Kalyx triaD

10-12-2009, 08:25 PM

How about a wierd blend of CVS2's Groove system and Dante's style change mechanic in DMC4.This would probably result into a nasty combo fest but at least it would stylish. Good luck tryin to balance that.

If you could tone it down to 2 Grooves you can switch between it might be doable. How about switching move-sets? Well, I suppose that's merely changing stances which already appeared in several fighting games. At the very least I thing switching grooves between rounds is something that can be done without worrying about balance, depending on how these grooves work!

I agree the hand to hand fighting style of the UFC game as opposed to the SF and MK style games just felt more realistic instead of some dude standing across the screen from you throwing fireballs or spears. I wouldn't have a problem with the occasional metaphysical superpower, but to me a game that features use of many differing actual fighting styles and in close hand to hand combat would be what I want as opposed to uppercuts and legsweep cheese.

Basically what I'd want would be to throw a bunch of differing fighting styles into a game as opposed to the 3 in UFC and do away with a majority of the ground game (leave a bit of punching or kicking your opponent while they're down, not enough to spam but enough to punish a person for getting knocked down) and then if you want throw in a meter that you can build up where at the opportune time you can launch your fireball/spear/whatever.

Remember that UFC is a sport simulation not meant to be particularly balanced, while traditional fighting games strive for a semblance of balance (no weight classes in a fighting game, everybody should be able to take anybody). And while this doesn't mean every fighting game is balanced, it's a development priority while sports simulation doesn't need to promote that at all.

BUT since you wouldn't mind para-normal elements in this fighter you speak of, certain consessions must be made for the sake of gameplay, some that may betray the realism seen in UFC's game. However, I imagine a game that represents several fighting styles (like Tekken), grounded in a more physics-based fighter (dare I say Def Jam FfNY?). It can happen...

Khuntry

10-13-2009, 01:00 AM

Kane Knight

10-13-2009, 01:14 AM

Indifferent Kalyx.

Mr. Nerfect

10-13-2009, 10:39 AM

It honestly doesn't bother me whether it is 2D or 3D, as long as it fits the style. I mean, it's possible to do a great 2D fighter with the right attitude about it, even if the concept seems "out-dated." 3D of course is the natural evolution, and creates more "realistic" fights, but if you're going with simple gamplay, it can really bog down.

One thing I love about fighters, actually, is story and character. I'm a huge fucking nerd for that sort of shit. I love to know who I am fighting as, why they are fighting, etc. Even though it became a mess, I love the story of Mortal Kombat -- because it at least tries. You get such a bizarre group of characters, too.

DaveBrawl

10-13-2009, 10:45 AM

Remember that UFC is a sport simulation not meant to be particularly balanced, while traditional fighting games strive for a semblance of balance (no weight classes in a fighting game, everybody should be able to take anybody). And while this doesn't mean every fighting game is balanced, it's a development priority while sports simulation doesn't need to promote that at all.

Yeah I don't expect straight realism out of a fighting game, but I was striving more for the actual feel you get from the UFC game in the hand to hand aspect. But I think you and I are on the same wavelength as far as the balance goes. I agree everyone should be capable of defeating everyone, but the UFC game just seems so much more satisfying in the fighting aspect of two evenly matched guys (when you match them up) than the usual "fighting" games do.

BUT since you wouldn't mind para-normal elements in this fighter you speak of, certain consessions must be made for the sake of gameplay, some that may betray the realism seen in UFC's game. However, I imagine a game that represents several fighting styles (like Tekken), grounded in a more physics-based fighter (dare I say Def Jam FfNY?). It can happen...

Tekken was the game I had mostly in mind while I was writing that out. I don't have a lot of first hand experience with it as most of my fighting game experience is with the MK games, however I do have some experience with it and one thing I have always liked about Tekken was how everyone was so different in their style but almost all fighters were usable. You are always going to have some styles that are difficult to master and thus the character will be deemed terrible by most while the best players will be excellent with those guys and that's fine.

As far as supernatural, I was thinking of the end of the MK movie with Lui Kang and Shang Tsung how he knocks him into the pit with a fireball after going the whole fight hand to hand. Something like that would allow you to keep the legacy of moves like that in the games, with having better fighting when you actually have to fight as opposed to standing there and trying to win with projectiles. You should make the projectiles a rare occurance that can only occur at certain times and do more damage than usual, but still leave room for the fight to continue unless you only have a small amount of damage left. Personally I'm not a big fan of the projectiles, but they are such a big part of the legacies of these games that I don't feel you should remove them, but they need a big overhaul in my opinion.

Nowhere Man

10-13-2009, 11:02 AM

I would love to see someone do an at least halfway realistic swordfighting game, something like Bushido Blade back on the PS1, where one solid hit could end the fight.

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Kalyx triaD

10-13-2009, 04:38 PM

As far as supernatural, I was thinking of the end of the MK movie with Lui Kang and Shang Tsung how he knocks him into the pit with a fireball after going the whole fight hand to hand. Something like that would allow you to keep the legacy of moves like that in the games, with having better fighting when you actually have to fight as opposed to standing there and trying to win with projectiles. You should make the projectiles a rare occurance that can only occur at certain times and do more damage than usual, but still leave room for the fight to continue unless you only have a small amount of damage left. Personally I'm not a big fan of the projectiles, but they are such a big part of the legacies of these games that I don't feel you should remove them, but they need a big overhaul in my opinion.

Don't be afraid to say fireballs could be taken out of fighters. It's radical attacks on the norm like that that makes for something special. And I like the idea of making 'the fireball' a big deal again. I think we all take advantage of the idea of shooting fuckin fire from your character's hands.

And Bushido Blade needs to come back. Fuck it, somebody should just rip it off. The original devs don't give a shit anymore.

DaveBrawl

10-13-2009, 04:56 PM

For a new fighter series I wouldn't want things like fireballs, but I was thinking more along the lines of what would work for revamping the MK series. Over the top powers make that series special, they're part of it's identity. I don't think getting rid of them would be right for that, but cutting back on them would be.

Kalyx triaD

10-13-2009, 05:02 PM

Fuck Mortal Kombat. Great story (up until a point), but shit engine. I'd overhaul 90% of it. I've went into this in detail in a past thread. Link ya in a bit.

Kalyx triaD

10-13-2009, 05:04 PM

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=85706

DaveBrawl

10-14-2009, 09:15 AM

Yeah I remember reading it. I figured that was partially responsible for this thread, so that was a lot of the inspiration behind my posts. I feel the same way about Street Fighter (not that the last one was bad or anything), but the fireballs and flaming uppercuts are so intertwined with the legacy behind the games you can't really get rid of them and still try to say they are the same series. But I believe the ideas we've presented in here could make a great fighting game.

Another idea I've had about something to create a game actually comes from the first MK game and they really kind of got away from it. MK1 was great, to me, in the aspect that it looked like an actual martial arts movie and that is something that is missing today. I know the way I'm writing this is going to sound dumb, but every game today looks like a computer rendering of a person no matter how realistic of a rendering it is, it still isn't the same as seeing a real person. Like MK1 just took a bunch of random martial artists threw them in front of a green screen and called it, and while the backgrounds could use some work, I think that would be a big help for them to go back to using characters that look like actual looking people as opposed to street fighters animated look and Tekken's CGI look.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 12:22 PM

I see what you mean, not enough emphasis on realistic models anymore. There's a lot of 'stylish' models these days.

Khuntry

10-14-2009, 01:35 PM

I don't really understand the appeal of "realistic" models. Sure they may look great but thats it really. I find them rather boring mainly due to the fact that they lack style.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 02:22 PM

Big bouncing naked tits, and good controls.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 02:22 PM

And a dinosaur.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 02:31 PM

I don't really understand the appeal of "realistic" models. Sure they may look great but thats it really. I find them rather boring mainly due to the fact that they lack style.

It's another form of presentation for me.

Like, you know I like a good stylish look to characters, but I also find an appeal to something like Drake's Fortune and Indigo Prophecy (and now Heavy Rain). The look in those games are realistic, and that lends some 'style' (ironically) to the more extraordinary events happening around them (they're still in videogames after all).

That may be hard to do in a fighting game, and a bore to look at, but let's just change the setting. Imagine an HD sequel to Bushido Blade. Believably dressed characters of the feudal Japan era with a realistic fighting system. Hell, put any game in a past era - everything seemed to look better back then (or at least more interesting).

Style isn't merely 'more elaborate than norm' to me. Not that I'd make a game with characters dressed in normal clothes!

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 02:32 PM

Oh, and I want Guile. Fuck it, I'm just going to play street fighter 2.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 02:37 PM

SF4 has Guile.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 02:38 PM

SF4 has Guile.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 02:43 PM

I don't own SF4 you dumb nagger.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 02:52 PM

You have a 360 or PS3?

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 02:55 PM

DaveBrawl

10-14-2009, 03:15 PM

You know a first person mode would likely be a failure if ever done by a company anytime soon, but that could be a fun feature.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 03:17 PM

X-Box 360, I was thinking of asking for Street Fighter 4 for christmas or soemthing. Ever since the divorce, which you so kindly brought up or continued to make fun of in another thread, I've been a little tapped for money.

DUDE it's been ages, you seriously should be able to take a divorce joke (and not even a good one). Fuck that bitch. I can't even hold a relationship long enough to get a marriage-worthy setting so stop crying about it. MAN UP.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 03:17 PM

And SF4 is dirt cheap now, since the rumor's of the revision.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 03:22 PM

Yeah...I wouldn't expect someone who can't hold a relationship to understand what happens during a divorce. Man up and stick it out more than a couple of months with a woman.

DaveBrawl

10-14-2009, 03:26 PM

And SF4 is dirt cheap now, since the rumor's of the revision.

I might break down and get it myself then. I couldn't see paying $60 for a fighting game I probably wouldn't play, but the reviews and gameplay looked good so I may Amazon this thing.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 03:28 PM

Did she take half your TF collection? Who got Megatron?

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 03:29 PM

I might break down and get it myself then. I couldn't see paying $60 for a fighting game I probably wouldn't play, but the reviews and gameplay looked good so I may Amazon this thing.

It'll be worth it. Fun game, lots to learn.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 03:30 PM

You know I like Starscream over megatron, and no. But she bought me more Transformer merch than anyone else ever did. Don't you understand now why I'm mourning a lose like that. Now I have to buy it all for myself.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 03:33 PM

I understand. On all counts.

Starscream's ambition was just more interesting and nothing's better than your chick buying you stuff you like.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 03:44 PM

Look...i know you don't know what it is like going through a divorce. But it is awful, there are few worse things to go through if your heart was in the marriage and it crumbles on you. Long story short, on average it takes years for most people to get over it. Just saying.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 04:00 PM

But that's a strong sympathy card you got now.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 04:07 PM

Kalyx, I hate using cards. I just rather people not bring it up.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 04:19 PM

Not even to land a pity-bang?

redoneja

10-14-2009, 04:21 PM

I like fighting games that are relatively easy to pick up and play (since I'm more of a casual fighting game player) but also have depth if you want to really master them. I would rather play Street Fighter IV, Alpha 2, or Marvel v Capcom 2 than Tekken or Virtua Fighter. Really the only 3D fighting game I really enjoyed was Virtua Fighter 4, Evo, and 5

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 04:24 PM

Not even to land a pity-bang?

If that is the only way I could get sex, I would eat a gun now.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 04:32 PM

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 04:33 PM

If that is the only way I could get sex, I would eat a gun now.

I didn't mean it as the only way, just a part of your arsenal.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 04:35 PM

When I tell a woman everything that happened, her panties melt right off, it is to easy and I feel guilty.

redoneja

10-14-2009, 04:36 PM

Funny you say that, because Virtua Fighter is a highly overrated and boring 3D fighter.

Replace "virtua fighter" with "tekken" and you pretty much have my opinion of that series. Not saying one is "good" and the other is "bad", that's just how I feel about them.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 04:38 PM

Guilt is for liberals and American'ts.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 04:38 PM

Replace "virtua fighter" with "tekken" and you pretty much have my opinion of that series. Not saying one is "good" and the other is "bad", that's just how I feel about them.

Wow. Fair enough.

DaveBrawl

10-14-2009, 04:40 PM

Virtua Fighter was the first game I got when I bought my PS3, traded Motorstorm out of the box in on it. I really liked the game at first but after a couple days it was so boring. There was no story to follow whatsoever. The fighting itself was pretty good, but it was just so repetitive and lost it's appeal.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 04:43 PM

DaveBrawl

10-14-2009, 04:46 PM

If you count 3 of us that hasn't played a fighting game other than the last couple of MK games in years as a group, then yeah but we all got bored of it pretty quick.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 04:54 PM

Good old Virtua Fighter, turning off potential fighting gamers by the pack.

DaveBrawl

10-14-2009, 04:56 PM

Yeah we had a lot more fun with MK: Armageddon and that says a lot. :lol:

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 05:01 PM

Betting you guys like Smash Brothers?

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 05:28 PM

What is wrong with Smash Brothers?

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 05:28 PM

Nothing, it's great.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 05:31 PM

I've never played.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 05:36 PM

You probably wouldn't like it, based on your tastes.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 05:47 PM

It is a fun time killer, I like those, sorta.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 05:48 PM

"SORTA"?!?

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 05:49 PM

I'm allowed to sorta like games.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 05:49 PM

Says who?

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 05:54 PM

Me, cause I'm white and we make the rules.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 05:55 PM

Until that last major election, I guess.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 05:56 PM

Whitie voted in Obama.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 05:57 PM

That too.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 06:03 PM

Anyhow, I like fun games and party games, I just need to get friends that want to come over and play them.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 06:04 PM

Nothing like a big session. LAN parties and all that.

BigDaddyCool

10-14-2009, 06:10 PM

I was thinking more like a Wii Party night, nerd.

Kalyx triaD

10-14-2009, 06:13 PM

That's a good card to pull, too.

DaveBrawl

10-14-2009, 07:01 PM

Smash Brothers is fun for a few minutes, but I can't play it for too long, it gets old after a few fights. Although Capt. Falcon (or whatever the F-Zero character's name is) is the man.

Khuntry

10-19-2009, 12:22 AM

Kalyx triaD

10-19-2009, 04:29 PM

Fucking wow. Great edit mode!

Mr. Nerfect

10-24-2009, 02:51 AM

I never liked Starscream. His ambition was interesting, in a limited sort of way. He never had the brains or talent to back it up, though. My favourite Decepticon had to be Soundwave. There was something so disciplined about his unwavering loyalty to Megatron.

To tie this in so it is sort of on topic -- I would not mind a Transformers fighter, using characters from Generation One. It'd be pretty tricky, I imagine, but it would have a really fun old-school feel, I imagine.